Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.

It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
front to rear.

Looking towards the rear:

https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg

Looking towards the front:

https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg

The 2018's and beyond are even worse.

This is what built for my 17...

The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
picture, the 2nd row seats are in,

https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg

I left room for side wall protection when needed.

https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg

I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.

https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg

This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
are removed.

https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg

As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.

https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg

On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>
>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>front to rear.
>
>Looking towards the rear:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>
>Looking towards the front:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>
>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>
>This is what built for my 17...
>
>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>
>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>
>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>
>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>
>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>
>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>
>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>are removed.
>
>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>
>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>
>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg

I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
possible ;-)

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 7:23:46 PM UTC-4, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>
> It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> 5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> front to rear.
>
> Looking towards the rear:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>
> Looking towards the front:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>
> The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>
> This is what built for my 17...
>
> The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>
> https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>
> I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>
> I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>
> This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> are removed.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>
> As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
Nice work!

On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:

>On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
><teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:
>
>>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>>
>>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>>front to rear.
>>
>>Looking towards the rear:
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>>
>>Looking towards the front:
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>>
>>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>>
>>This is what built for my 17...
>>
>>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>>
>>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>>
>>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>>
>>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>>are removed.
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>>
>>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>>
>>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
>
>I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
>especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
>possible ;-)

When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
the Honda Oddity.

On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 6:23:46 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:

> As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg

It all looks good. Good job.

Sonny

On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
>
> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >
> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
> >>
> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> >>front to rear.
> >>
> >>Looking towards the rear:
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
> >>
> >>Looking towards the front:
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
> >>
> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
> >>
> >>This is what built for my 17...
> >>
> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
> >>
> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
> >>
> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
> >>
> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> >>are removed.
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
> >>
> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
> >>
> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
> >
> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
> >possible ;-)
> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
> the Honda Oddity.

So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?

On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:41:45 PM UTC-4, Sonny wrote:
> On Sunday, July 11, 2021 at 6:23:46 PM UTC-5, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>
> > As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> > of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
> It all looks good. Good job.
>
> Sonny

Thanks.

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>> >>
>> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>> >>front to rear.
>> >>
>> >>Looking towards the rear:
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>> >>
>> >>Looking towards the front:
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>> >>
>> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>> >>
>> >>This is what built for my 17...
>> >>
>> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>> >>
>> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>> >>
>> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>> >>
>> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>> >>are removed.
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>> >>
>> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>> >>
>> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
>> >
>> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
>> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
>> >possible ;-)
>> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
>> the Honda Oddity.
>
>So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?

Only the audio.

On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 11:43:09 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> >> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> >> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> >> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
> >> >>
> >> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> >> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> >> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> >> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> >> >>front to rear.
> >> >>
> >> >>Looking towards the rear:
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>Looking towards the front:
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
> >> >>
> >> >>This is what built for my 17...
> >> >>
> >> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> >> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> >> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> >> >>are removed.
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
> >> >>
> >> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> >> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
> >> >>
> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
> >> >
> >> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
> >> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
> >> >possible ;-)
> >> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
> >> the Honda Oddity.
> >
> >So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?
> Only the audio.

Be more specific. Audio as in sound only or audio as in the song info and other stuff that appears on the screen when the audio is playing?

On 7/11/2021 7:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>
> It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> 5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> front to rear.
>
> Looking towards the rear:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>
> Looking towards the front:
>
> https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>
> The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>
> This is what built for my 17...
>
> The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>
> https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>
> I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>
> I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>
> This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> are removed.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>
> As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>
> https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg

Very nice!

I had a friend do this to the entire passenger side of a Geo Metro
hatchback (front passenger and rear bench seats removed)... the carpeted
platform built held a twin sized camping mattress, so the car became a
mini-camper.

I was tempted to do something similar to my former S10 so I could put
full 4X8 sheets of drywall or plywood in the bed, laying down, above the
wheel wells. Moving onto full-size 8 ft bed trucks solved that dilemma.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 02:01:16 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/11/2021 7:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
>> Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>> getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>> with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>> rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>>
>> It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>> 5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>> stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>> load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>> front to rear.
>>
>> Looking towards the rear:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>>
>> Looking towards the front:
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>>
>> The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>>
>> This is what built for my 17...
>>
>> The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>> rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>> picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>>
>> I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>>
>> I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>>
>> This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>> are removed.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>>
>> As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>> of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>>
>> https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
>
>
>Very nice!
>
>I had a friend do this to the entire passenger side of a Geo Metro
>hatchback (front passenger and rear bench seats removed)... the carpeted
>platform built held a twin sized camping mattress, so the car became a
>mini-camper.
>
>I was tempted to do something similar to my former S10 so I could put
>full 4X8 sheets of drywall or plywood in the bed, laying down, above the
>wheel wells. Moving onto full-size 8 ft bed trucks solved that dilemma.

If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
seats down.

On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
> seats down.

You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 2:01:19 AM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/11/2021 7:23 PM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> > Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> > getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> > with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> > rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
> >
> > It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> > 5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> > stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> > load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> > front to rear.
> >
> > Looking towards the rear:
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
> >
> > Looking towards the front:
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
> >
> > The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
> >
> > This is what built for my 17...
> >
> > The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> > rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> > picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
> >
> > I left room for side wall protection when needed.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
> >
> > I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
> >
> > This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> > are removed.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
> >
> > As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> > of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
> >
> > https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
> Very nice!
>
> I had a friend do this to the entire passenger side of a Geo Metro
> hatchback (front passenger and rear bench seats removed)... the carpeted
> platform built held a twin sized camping mattress, so the car became a
> mini-camper.
>
> I was tempted to do something similar to my former S10 so I could put
> full 4X8 sheets of drywall or plywood in the bed, laying down, above the
> wheel wells. Moving onto full-size 8 ft bed trucks solved that dilemma.

The Ody will hold a full 4 x 8 sheet. They have be loaded about 3 inches
above the bottom of the hatch opening because it is narrower there, but
once in they sit down on the floor.

It's so close that when I put cardboard on each side to protect the side walls,
the plywood makes contact. Even with every other way they screwed with the
floor over the years, they always left room for 4 x 8 sheet goods.

(I have a trailer, so it's super rare for me to carry full size sheets in the Ody, but
I could. Most times, like when I bought the MDO for the platforms, I broke it
down in Lowe's parking lot so it fit in the Ody without any problem.)

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>> seats down.
>
>You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.

Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
the fuse out and leave it out.

That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 5:01:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt99...@ymail.com>
> wrote:
> >On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> >> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
> >> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
> >> seats down.
> >
> >You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
> the fuse out and leave it out.
>
> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.

Get one of these or build your own...

https://www.etrailer.com/Tow-Bar-Wiring/Curt/C93HR.html

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:11:24 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 11:43:09 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> >> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>> >> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>> >> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>> >> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>> >> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>> >> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>> >> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>> >> >>front to rear.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Looking towards the rear:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Looking towards the front:
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This is what built for my 17...
>> >> >>
>> >> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>> >> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>> >> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>> >> >>are removed.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>> >> >>
>> >> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>> >> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
>> >> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
>> >> >possible ;-)
>> >> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
>> >> the Honda Oddity.
>> >
>> >So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?
>> Only the audio.
>
>Be more specific. Audio as in sound only or audio as in the song info and other stuff that appears on the screen when the audio is playing?

The hardware that makes noise. Audio amplifiers, specifically. Some
of the other guys did the radios, I think. The center stack, screen
and stuff, was done by a different company.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 17:01:41 -0400, J. Clarke
<jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>>> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>>> seats down.
>>
>>You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
>
>Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
>device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
>intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
>minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
>the fuse out and leave it out.

M$ has proven more than once that it has no idea what it's doing in
the automotive industry. The Ford Sync-1 was done by them and it's so
bad there were several class-action suits against them. I have one in
my truck and it's absolute junk. I don't use any of the "advanced"
features (phone isn't even paired with it).

OTOH, the Sync-3 in my wife's '19 Mustang is perfect, by comparison.
It's easy to use and actually does what it's supposed to do without
losing its mind every time you get in the car. Of course, I know who
designed Sync-3. ;-)

>That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.

On 7/13/2021 4:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>>> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>>> seats down.
>>
>> You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
>
> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
> the fuse out and leave it out.
>
> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.
>

The Microsoft, what ever, is in all of these vehicles. That is not the
problem unless YOUR's is defective. And the solution is to replace the
defective part.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 14:55:03 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 5:01:44 PM UTC-4, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt99...@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> >> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>> >> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>> >> seats down.
>> >
>> >You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
>> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
>> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
>> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
>> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
>> the fuse out and leave it out.
>>
>> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.
>
>Get one of these or build your own...
>
>https://www.etrailer.com/Tow-Bar-Wiring/Curt/C93HR.html

Ah, a switchable penny.

On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 17:17:27 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/13/2021 4:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew <mt999999@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>>>> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>>>> seats down.
>>>
>>> You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
>>
>> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
>> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
>> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
>> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
>> the fuse out and leave it out.
>>
>> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.
>>
>
>The Microsoft, what ever, is in all of these vehicles. That is not the
>problem unless YOUR's is defective. And the solution is to replace the
>defective part.

Ford dropped the alliance with Microsoft a number of version of Sync
ago. It was crap.

On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:07:29 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:11:24 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 11:43:09 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> >> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
> >> >> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
> >> >> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
> >> >> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
> >> >> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
> >> >> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
> >> >> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
> >> >> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
> >> >> >>front to rear.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Looking towards the rear:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>Looking towards the front:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This is what built for my 17...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
> >> >> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
> >> >> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
> >> >> >>are removed.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
> >> >> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
> >> >> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
> >> >> >possible ;-)
> >> >> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
> >> >> the Honda Oddity.
> >> >
> >> >So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?
> >> Only the audio.
> >
> >Be more specific. Audio as in sound only or audio as in the song info and other stuff
that appears on the screen when the audio is playing?

> The hardware that makes noise. Audio amplifiers, specifically. Some
> of the other guys did the radios, I think. The center stack, screen
> and stuff, was done by a different company.

Well, then you are off my sh*t list, for now. ;-)

Can you find the guy that coded this "feature" and smack him upside
the head for me?

Audio Source: Bluetooth, upper screen displays the song info:

https://i.imgur.com/XEW6MmK.jpg

Activate the right turn signal and the upper screen displays the side camera image:

https://i.imgur.com/0Bk4lbQ.jpg

When the turn signal turns off, the upper screen displays a *different* song info
screen, showing the song title twice. It then flashes the song title that's in the lower
box. Once per second for about 20 seconds. After that, it returns to the original
song info screen:

https://i.imgur.com/8gnPeIM.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/eR9tpj8.jpg

What possible purpose could that serve?

On 7/13/2021 5:01 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
> the fuse out and leave it out.
>
> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.

I'll try not to get started on a car rant again, but stuff like that is
my reasoning for driving 90's and back vehicles. I like the old stuff
without computers and touch screens!

On 7/13/2021 6:18 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> Ah, a switchable penny.

Haha, that took me a minute.

I once bought a house with 20 and 30 amp fuses in the old fusebox...
most of them had pennies behind them. ONE knob and tube circuit covered
the first floor lighting, both main bedrooms upstairs, the bedroom
lighting... then into the kitchen ceiling (addition to the rear of the
house) lighting... THEN to 20 amp wiring for ALL of the kitchen outlets,
THEN to the bathroom and lighting... I think that was the 30 amp with a
penny fuse. Both bedrooms on that circuit had a window A/C. I
literally have NO CLUE how that house didn't burn to the ground.

On 7/13/2021 6:16 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 17:01:41 -0400, J. Clarke
> <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 13 Jul 2021 12:31:38 -0400, Michael Trew<mt999999@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/13/2021 7:04 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> If I was planning on keeping it I would do something like that for my
>>>> current econobox, which does not present a flat floor with the back
>>>> seats down.
>>>
>>> You could always keep it for hauling, to spare the nice vehicle.
>>
>> Nahh. The damned thing has some piece of crap Microsoft electronic
>> device built into it that makes it decide not to start at random
>> intervals. Solution is to fish under the dash, pull a fuse, wait a
>> minute, put the fuse back. And of course it won't run if I just pull
>> the fuse out and leave it out.
>
> M$ has proven more than once that it has no idea what it's doing in
> the automotive industry. The Ford Sync-1 was done by them and it's so
> bad there were several class-action suits against them. I have one in
> my truck and it's absolute junk. I don't use any of the "advanced"
> features (phone isn't even paired with it).
>
> OTOH, the Sync-3 in my wife's '19 Mustang is perfect, by comparison.
> It's easy to use and actually does what it's supposed to do without
> losing its mind every time you get in the car. Of course, I know who
> designed Sync-3. ;-)
>
>> That's why I'm getting rid of it at my earliest convenience.

My Grandmother has a Ford Focus (I think? Whatever their small car is
circa 2014 - purchased new), and it has that Microsoft entertainment
thing. Of course, she never uses it, and just drives the car. I assume
that's why it's still "working".

On Wed, 14 Jul 2021 07:13:46 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
<teamarrows@eznet.net> wrote:

>On Tuesday, July 13, 2021 at 6:07:29 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:11:24 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 11:43:09 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 18:01:26 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> >> <teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Monday, July 12, 2021 at 7:19:10 PM UTC-4, k...@notreal.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 21:46:06 -0400, ads wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 16:23:44 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
>> >> >> ><teama...@eznet.net> wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>Over the past 4 generations of the Honda Odyssey, the floor has been
>> >> >> >>getting more and more bumpy and unlevel. It gets harder to load stuff
>> >> >> >>with each new 5 year cycle. This is the interior of my 2017 EX-L, with the
>> >> >> >>rear bench stowed in the floor and the 2nd row seats removed.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>It's hard to tell from the pictures, but the floor behind the front seats is
>> >> >> >>5" lower than the rear of the cargo area. It's not sloped either - it's
>> >> >> >>stepped. First there's a 3.5" drop, then another 1.5" - It's a real pain to
>> >> >> >>load compared to the 2 previous generations which were at least flat
>> >> >> >>front to rear.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Looking towards the rear:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/MckLWvF.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>Looking towards the front:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/2OFiPPN.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>The 2018's and beyond are even worse.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>This is what built for my 17...
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>The rear platform will stay in the Ody 99.99% of the time (roughly). We
>> >> >> >>rarely ever use the 3rd row split bench, which stows in the floor. In this
>> >> >> >>picture, the 2nd row seats are in,
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/pZUiomv.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I left room for side wall protection when needed.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/ETiTWdv.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>I made an opening for the rear heat duct that's in the floor.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/tT70FYq.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>This front platform can be dropped into place when the 2nd row seats
>> >> >> >>are removed.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/P6GYd56.jpg
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>As for the infamous carpeted 2 x 4's, the one on the right was the first
>> >> >> >>of six, the one on the left was the last. Practice helps.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>https://i.imgur.com/7f0S3By.jpg
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I've always described that vehicle as "The Honda Hearse" which seemed
>> >> >> >especially appropriate for the black versions. You just made that use
>> >> >> >possible ;-)
>> >> >> When we were designing some of the cabin electronics, it was known as
>> >> >> the Honda Oddity.
>> >> >
>> >> >So I can blame you for the weird shit that my infotainment system does?
>> >> Only the audio.
>> >
>> >Be more specific. Audio as in sound only or audio as in the song info and other stuff
>that appears on the screen when the audio is playing?
>
>> The hardware that makes noise. Audio amplifiers, specifically. Some
>> of the other guys did the radios, I think. The center stack, screen
>> and stuff, was done by a different company.
>
>Well, then you are off my sh*t list, for now. ;-)
>
>Can you find the guy that coded this "feature" and smack him upside
>the head for me?
>
>Audio Source: Bluetooth, upper screen displays the song info:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/XEW6MmK.jpg
>
>Activate the right turn signal and the upper screen displays the side camera image:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/0Bk4lbQ.jpg
>
>When the turn signal turns off, the upper screen displays a *different* song info
>screen, showing the song title twice. It then flashes the song title that's in the lower
>box. Once per second for about 20 seconds. After that, it returns to the original
>song info screen:
>
>https://i.imgur.com/8gnPeIM.jpg
>
>https://i.imgur.com/eR9tpj8.jpg
>
>What possible purpose could that serve?
>
Does it ever get back to the original state (full screen)? It is odd
behavior. It looks like a selection panel with nothing to select.