On 7/21/2021 12:02 AM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/20/2021 4:57 PM, Leon wrote:
>> That thing requires premium fuel???  I guess with all that HP, 46,
>> LOL....  I guess you would need premium if the 46 HP was coming from 1/2
>> of a cylinder.
>
> That's what I've been told... never owned one, don't plan to!
>
>
>> I agree, the Smart does tend to do well in a crash.
>> HOWEVER the contends does not do so well.
>
> Contents as in passengers, or luggage?

Passengers.

On 7/21/2021 5:54 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:04:46 -0400, Michael Trew<mt999999@ymail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 7/20/2021 11:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>> You can't get a standard in a new Corvette. The dual-clutch auto
>>> shifts faster than any manual can.
>>
>> Yes, but faster shifting is a moot point unless I can do it myself --
>> paddle shifter just doesn't do it for me. It has to have a clutch. No
>> worries, I couldn't afford a Corvette even if I wanted to!
>
> It has a clutch. Two of them in fact. What it doesn't have is a
> pedal to activate them.

Yes, you know what I meant :) -- Operator controlled

On 7/21/2021 3:01 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/21/2021 5:54 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Jul 2021 01:04:46 -0400, Michael Trew<mt999999@ymail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/20/2021 11:59 AM, J. Clarke wrote:
>>>> You can't get a standard in a new Corvette.  The dual-clutch auto
>>>> shifts faster than any manual can.
>>>
>>> Yes, but faster shifting is a moot point unless I can do it myself --
>>> paddle shifter just doesn't do it for me.  It has to have a clutch.  No
>>> worries, I couldn't afford a Corvette even if I wanted to!
>>
>> It has a clutch.  Two of them in fact.  What it doesn't have is a
>> pedal to activate them.
>
> Yes, you know what I meant :) -- Operator controlled

+1

On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 16:37:48 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
wrote:

>On 7/15/2021 1:37 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2021 08:59:52 -0500, Leon <lcb11211@swbelldotnet>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 7/14/2021 9:41 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> Snip
>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, "Start/Stop" is where the engine shuts off at stoplights and
>>>> restarts when you press on the accelerator.
>>>
>>> Actually on my F150, if YOU stop the vehicle you simply take your foot
>>> off of the brake pedal to restart the engine, that is with normal
>>> start/stop operation.
>>>
>>> If you are using adaptive cruise control and the vehicle stops on it's
>>> own and shuts down the engine, you restart by pressing the accelerator
>>> pedal and that also releases the brake.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>> How do you get in and out of ACC mode in her car? You know, to listen to the radio
>>>>> without the engine running.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, I don't know. She doesn't let me drive it. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> How do you get out of ACC mode? You push the Start/Stop button again, which puts the
>>>>>>> van in Run mode (lamp test runs, relays click and clack, HVAC comes on, etc.) then press
>>>>>>> it again to shut the van off.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe all Push To Start vehicles act like that. This is my first one.
>>>>>> Fortunately they were a bad idea that went where all bad ideas went.
>>>>>> It was a PITA to design to, also.
>>>>>
>>>>> Aren't almost all newer cars Push To Start? *What* went where all bad ideas went?
>>>>
>>>> "Start/Stop" is no more. For some reason customers didn't like their
>>>> engine shutting off at every stoplight.
>>>>
>>>
>>> 2019 F150 has engine stop/start but that can be over ridden after every
>>> engine start using the start button.
>>
>> There is usually some magic and totally incomprehensible combination
>> of button pushes and knob twisting that will disable the feature
>> permanently.
>
> From what I understand you disconnect a small lead connected directly
>to the battery. That apparently is what is telling the system what the
>voltage is and whether it is OK to stop the engine or not. And IIRC
>when you unplug that lead you get a warning of some sort indication a
>problem with voltage. BUT the engine no longer shuts off when stopped.

I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
the meat wagon to a local hospital. They were taken to a level-1
trauma center in the big city.
Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.

Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K. My insurance paid $21K
for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
about $40K to replace it.
The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is. Ordering a
truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it *now* is going to be
costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
that the led time wasn't even worse.

If you want an EV truck, they're taking reservations for delivery
sometime in the spring. $40-$95K, IIRC. Only $100 buys you a spot in
line. Such a deal!

>And for the button pushing, I thought I found it deep inside the
>instrument panel tabs. After several steps I found a setting to disable
>the auto stop feature. Unfortunately it works exactly like the button
>on the dash. It does not lock the setting after the engine is manually
>turned off.

I'll try to see if there is a secret code to turn that crap off. I
imagine that would be hidden to get past the EPA.

On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
> I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
> Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
> roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
> life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
> the meat wagon to a local hospital. They were taken to a level-1
> trauma center in the big city.
>
> Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
> It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
> scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
>
> Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
> local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K. My insurance paid $21K
> for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
> about $40K to replace it.
>
> The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
> are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is. Ordering a
> truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now* is going to be
> costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
> that the led time wasn't even worse.

Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.

Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
you. Did they not have insurance? If they did, I would pressure their
company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably replaced.
Especially since you were carted off to the hospital, there's always the
old "Oh, my back hurts, let's not settle this just yet"... that'll send
them scrambling and they'll cut you a better deal... assuming that you
haven't already settled. Never take their first offer, you can get more.

On 7/28/2021 10:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>> I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
>> Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
>> roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
>> life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
>> the meat wagon to a local hospital.  They were taken to a level-1
>> trauma center in the big city.
>>
>> Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
>> It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
>> scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
>>
>> Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
>> local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K.  My insurance paid $21K
>> for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
>> about $40K to replace it.
>>
>> The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
>> are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is.  Ordering a
>> truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now*  is going to be
>> costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
>> that the led time wasn't even worse.
>
>
> Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.
>
> Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
> you.  Did they not have insurance?  If they did, I would pressure their
> company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably replaced.
> Especially since you were carted off to the hospital, there's always the
> old "Oh, my back hurts, let's not settle this just yet"... that'll send
> them scrambling and they'll cut you a better deal... assuming that you
> haven't already settled.  Never take their first offer, you can get more.

And playing up the victim for monetary gains is part of what is wrong
with our society.

On Wednesday, July 28, 2021 at 11:37:22 PM UTC-4, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, k...@notreal.com wrote:
> > I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
> > Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
> > roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
> > life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
> > the meat wagon to a local hospital. They were taken to a level-1
> > trauma center in the big city.
> >
> > Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
> > It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
> > scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
> >
> > Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
> > local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K. My insurance paid $21K
> > for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
> > about $40K to replace it.
> >
> > The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
> > are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is. Ordering a
> > truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now* is going to be
> > costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
> > that the led time wasn't even worse.
> Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.
>
> Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
> you. Did they not have insurance? If they did, I would pressure their
> company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably replaced.

AFAIUI,

In most cases, your own insurance pays to get you back on the road
and then the Ins Co's backoffices work to determine fault and whether
funds should exchange hands between the Ins Co's.

In some cases, you can get your deductible back if it wasn't your fault.

Of course, you could go after the other driver's Ins Co upfront, but
that could cause delays in payment.

A perfect example: A tree fell on my van and totalled it. As far as
fault, I spoke with the owner of the Office Park in which it happened
and he said "File the claim with your insurance company. You'll get
paid faster and they will contact my insurance company if they want."

I checked with my agent and she was in full agreement. She said
that if I went to the office park's Ins Co, they might delay payment
while they go after the landscaper's insurance, etc. Let us pay you
and we'll fight this on our end. Your rates won't be affected
regardless of the outcome.

> Never take their first offer, you can get more.

That I will agree with. One of my coworkers used to work for an Ins Co.
She was actually in my office, watching the storm that caused the tree
to fall. She said to go through the process, get an offer and then tell
them that you want it escalated. I got an offer for $X, made one phone
and less than 24 hours later I got an offer for $X + .45X. No one came
out and reassessed the vehicle, it was all done from behind a desk.

The second offer put me right at the going price for a private sale on my
van, so I accepted it.

On 7/29/2021 9:19 AM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/28/2021 10:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>> I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
>>> Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
>>> roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
>>> life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
>>> the meat wagon to a local hospital. They were taken to a level-1
>>> trauma center in the big city.
>>>
>>> Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
>>> It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
>>> scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
>>>
>>> Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
>>> local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K. My insurance paid $21K
>>> for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
>>> about $40K to replace it.
>>>
>>> The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
>>> are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is. Ordering a
>>> truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now* is going to be
>>> costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
>>> that the led time wasn't even worse.
>>
>>
>> Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.
>>
>> Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
>> you. Did they not have insurance? If they did, I would pressure
>> their company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably
>> replaced. Especially since you were carted off to the hospital,
>> there's always the old "Oh, my back hurts, let's not settle this just
>> yet"... that'll send them scrambling and they'll cut you a better
>> deal... assuming that you haven't already settled. Never take their
>> first offer, you can get more.
>
> And playing up the victim for monetary gains is part of what is wrong
> with our society.

If you don't, they'll just screw you over. Do you think the insurance
companies give a rats ass? Part of the problem with our society is
insurance companies down-plaing issues for monetary gains.

On 7/29/2021 11:16 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
> That I will agree with. One of my coworkers used to work for an Ins Co.
> She was actually in my office, watching the storm that caused the tree
> to fall. She said to go through the process, get an offer and then tell
> them that you want it escalated. I got an offer for $X, made one phone
> and less than 24 hours later I got an offer for $X + .45X. No one came
> out and reassessed the vehicle, it was all done from behind a desk.
>
> The second offer put me right at the going price for a private sale on my
> van, so I accepted it.

That's a good example. I don't think I've ever been in the situation
personally, but I have been close. Most "accidents" I've had are very
minor, minimal to no damage so we just shrug it off. I usually have to
work with my own insurance company anyway, since it's always been a deer
in the past or something.

I've been not at fault a few times in the past with fair damage, such as
when a driver without insurance T-boned me after blowing a stop sign.
We exchanged info; I found out his policy lapsed later. I was driving a
20+ year old 90's Lumina that I paid $400 for. My insurance company
offered me $1,200 to take it and total it out -- I have uninsured
motorist coverage. Since they were my own company, and I already stood
to make a profit on the totaled car, I of course accepted their first
offer and did not attempt to haggle. If I were to lose money on what I
paid or felt it was worth; might be another story.

On 7/29/2021 9:25 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
> On 7/29/2021 9:19 AM, Leon wrote:
>> On 7/28/2021 10:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>> I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
>>>> Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
>>>> roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
>>>> life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
>>>> the meat wagon to a local hospital.  They were taken to a level-1
>>>> trauma center in the big city.
>>>>
>>>> Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
>>>> It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
>>>> scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
>>>>
>>>> Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
>>>> local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K.  My insurance paid $21K
>>>> for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
>>>> about $40K to replace it.
>>>>
>>>> The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
>>>> are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is.  Ordering a
>>>> truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now*  is going to be
>>>> costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
>>>> that the led time wasn't even worse.
>>>
>>>
>>> Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.
>>>
>>> Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
>>> you.  Did they not have insurance?  If they did, I would pressure
>>> their company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably
>>> replaced. Especially since you were carted off to the hospital,
>>> there's always the old "Oh, my back hurts, let's not settle this just
>>> yet"... that'll send them scrambling and they'll cut you a better
>>> deal... assuming that you haven't already settled.  Never take their
>>> first offer, you can get more.
>>
>> And playing up the victim for monetary gains is part of what is wrong
>> with our society.
>
>
> If you don't, they'll just screw you over.  Do you think the insurance
> companies give a rats ass?  Part of the problem with our society is
> insurance companies down-plaing issues for monetary gains.

My issue is not with the insurance company so much as false claims as
you indicated with the idea of getting more money.

there's always the old "Oh, my back hurts,

That seems to indicate that you are OK with scamming the insurance company.

This just costs us all more money.

On 7/30/2021 7:05 PM, Leon wrote:
> On 7/29/2021 9:25 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>> On 7/29/2021 9:19 AM, Leon wrote:
>>> On 7/28/2021 10:37 PM, Michael Trew wrote:
>>>> On 7/28/2021 6:30 PM, krw@notreal.com wrote:
>>>>> I guess I'll find out. I ordered a new F150 yesterday (loaded - $50K).
>>>>> Some fool ran a 4-way stop sign at the intersection of two 45mph
>>>>> roads. He clobbered me in the right front corner. My F150 gave its
>>>>> life to save us but his Lexus fared even worse. We got carted off in
>>>>> the meat wagon to a local hospital. They were taken to a level-1
>>>>> trauma center in the big city.
>>>>>
>>>>> Though mostly we have bumps and scrapes,I did mangle my right wrist.
>>>>> It's been a couple of weeks of sleepless nights but surgery is
>>>>> scheduled for tomorrow to put it back together, finally.
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for a replacement truck, the price compression is amazing. The
>>>>> local dealer had a two-year old XLT for $38K. My insurance paid $21K
>>>>> for my 2013, with 110K miles. I paid $25K for it but it would cost
>>>>> about $40K to replace it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The price of used vehicles is pushed right up against new ones. Used
>>>>> are somewhat more available, as you don't care what it is. Ordering a
>>>>> truck is out to about 12 weeks now. Wanting it*now* is going to be
>>>>> costly. Being in the business (working for a Tier-1), I was surprised
>>>>> that the led time wasn't even worse.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Glad to hear that you're OK... that's awful.
>>>>
>>>> Why did your insurance have to pay for it if they ran the sign and hit
>>>> you. Did they not have insurance? If they did, I would pressure
>>>> their company to pony up more $$$ to get your truck reasonably
>>>> replaced. Especially since you were carted off to the hospital,
>>>> there's always the old "Oh, my back hurts, let's not settle this just
>>>> yet"... that'll send them scrambling and they'll cut you a better
>>>> deal... assuming that you haven't already settled. Never take their
>>>> first offer, you can get more.
>>>
>>> And playing up the victim for monetary gains is part of what is wrong
>>> with our society.
>>
>>
>> If you don't, they'll just screw you over. Do you think the insurance
>> companies give a rats ass? Part of the problem with our society is
>> insurance companies down-plaing issues for monetary gains.
>
> My issue is not with the insurance company so much as false claims as
> you indicated with the idea of getting more money.
>
> there's always the old "Oh, my back hurts,
>
> That seems to indicate that you are OK with scamming the insurance company.
>
> This just costs us all more money.

That wasn't my end goal, as much as getting your fair share out of them
when they are trying to short you.

Perhaps we ignore this, and just stick to my "never take the first
offer" advice.