On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> All arguments with all Christians
> eventually boil down to "you just have
> to have faith".

All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):

> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
> > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> > > @mid.individual.net:
> > >
> > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> > > > > > > > > > the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
> > > > > > > > your told, and don't question anything
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
> > > > > > > "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> different
> > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> > > > > > different ways.
> > > > >
> > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > >
> > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> appearance
> > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
> > > > > grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
> > > > > the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
> original.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dawn
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
> > > > > atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
> > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > >
> > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
> > > > > more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
> > > > > that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
> > > > > personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> > > > > nature of billions with personality.
> > > > >
> > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
> to
> > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > >
> > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> within?
> > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
> have
> > > > some divine presence within?
> > >
> > >
> > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > along with people.
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
> going
> > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > >
> > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
> > > spruik
> > > > my gobbledygook
> > >
> > >
> > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > he cannot prove.
> >
> > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
> > during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
> > unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > brainwashed.
> >
> > Dawn
>
> All arguments with all Christians
> eventually boil down to "you just have
> to have faith".
“And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).

“But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a
wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)

>
> Maybe that is why so many have
> come here and left, they cannot prove
> any of their claims.

How many years were you taught things regarding to the Bible after you
graduated from High School before you bailed out? I never did hear what your
reasons were for bailing out. And you were asked, politely.

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:

> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
>
> > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Genesis went to great length
> > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > along with people.
> >
> > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> > released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> >
> > You moron.
> >
> > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
> >
> > Genesis 7:2
> > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > his female.
> >
> > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> > female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
>
> Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> suitable sacrifice to God.
> Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> prepared. UnKosher.
>
> The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
> as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
> for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
>

The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

In article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>, suck@ra.mentos says...
>
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
> >
> > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Genesis went to great length
> > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > along with people.
> > >
> > > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> > > released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> > >
> > > You moron.
> > >
> > > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
> > >
> > > Genesis 7:2
> > > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > > his female.
> > >
> > > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> > > female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
> >
> > Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> > suitable sacrifice to God.
> > Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> > properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> > prepared. UnKosher.
> >
> > The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> > thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
> > as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
> > for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
> >
>
> The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Are you telling a porky?

In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>
> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> @dont-email.me:
>
> > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> >> @mid.individual.net:
> >>
> >>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> >>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> >>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> >>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Mego Maximus
> >>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
> >>>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
> >>>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> >>>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> different
> >>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> >>>>> different ways.
> >>>>
> >>>> Immeasurably.
> >>>>
> >>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> appearance
> >>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
> >>>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
> >>>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
> original.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Dawn
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
> >>>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
> >>>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> >>>>
> >>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
> >>>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
> >>>>
> >>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
> >>>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
> >>>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> >>>> nature of billions with personality.
> >>>>
> >>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
> to
> >>>> life than physics (science).
> >>>
> >>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> within?
> >>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
> have
> >>> some divine presence within?
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> >> to separate animals from people when it
> >> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> >> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> >> along with people.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
> going
> >>>> to keep doing that forever.
> >>>
> >>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
> >> spruik
> >>> my gobbledygook
> >>
> >>
> >> This is the equivalant of Robert's
> >> "This conversation is over" whenever you
> >> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> >> he cannot prove.
> >>
> >
> > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
> > during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
> > unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > brainwashed.
> >
> > Dawn
> >
> >
>
> All arguments with all Christians
> eventually boil down to "you just have
> to have faith".
>
> Maybe that is why so many have
> come here and left, they cannot prove
> any of their claims.

Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
answers.

"Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18...
<<>>
> All arguments with all Christians
> eventually boil down to "you just have
> to have faith".
>
> Maybe that is why so many have
> come here and left, they cannot prove
> any of their claims.

The atheists faith is based on fantasy.
Whereas the theists faith is based on
science.

The atheists origin myth is contrary
to the laws of science and is based
on fantasy. Yet it has deceived the
gullible and the ignorant..

Lil-man-ball wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Genesis went to great length
>> to separate animals from people when it
>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> along with people.
> You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
>
> You moron.
>

yes you are if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

> https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ark/
>
> Genesis 7:2
> You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and his female.
>
> Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
(in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):

> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
> >
> > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Genesis went to great length
> > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > along with people.
> > >
> > > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> > > released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> > >
> > > You moron.
> > >
> > > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
> > > k/
> > >
> > > Genesis 7:2
> > > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > > his female.
> > >
> > > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> > > female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
> >
> > Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> > suitable sacrifice to God.
> > Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> > properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> > prepared. UnKosher.
> >
> > The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> > thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
> > as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
> > for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
>
> The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.

Nope

Robert wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>
>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>> @dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
>>>>>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
>>>>>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>>>>>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>> different
>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>> appearance
>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
>>>>>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
>>>>>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
>> original.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
>>>>>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
>>>>>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
>>>>>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
>>>>>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>>>>>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>>>>>> nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
>> to
>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>> within?
>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
>> have
>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>
>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>> along with people.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>> going
>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>> spruik
>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>
>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>> he cannot prove.
>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
>>> unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
>>> brainwashed.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>> All arguments with all Christians
>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> to have faith".
> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
> saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
> house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
> I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
> eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)

Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

>
> The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).
>
> “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a
> wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
> that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
> in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)
>
>> Maybe that is why so many have
>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>> any of their claims.
> How many years were you taught things regarding to the Bible after you
> graduated from High School before you bailed out? I never did hear what your
> reasons were for bailing out. And you were asked, politely.
>
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Robert wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> (in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):
>
>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
>>> (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
>>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Genesis went to great length
>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>> along with people.
>>>> You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
>>>> released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
>>>>
>>>> You moron.
>>>>
>>>> https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
>>>> k/
>>>>
>>>> Genesis 7:2
>>>> You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
>>>> and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
>>>> his female.
>>>>
>>>> Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
>>>> female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
>>> Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
>>> suitable sacrifice to God.
>>> Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
>>> properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
>>> prepared. UnKosher.
>>>
>>> The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
>>> thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
>>> as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
>>> for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
>> The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.
> Nope
>
>

you lot can't even agree on what to believe.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Maximus wrote:

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> >
> >>Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> > > @dont-email.me:
> > >
> > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> > > > > @mid.individual.net:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
> > > > > > > > > > > > about the christian faith, the less likely they
> > > > > > > > > > > > are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
> > > > > > > > > > believe everything your told, and don't question
> > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
> > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
> > > > > > > > > Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
> > > > > > > > vastly
> > > different
> > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost
> > > > > > > > innumerably different ways.
> > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> > > appearance
> > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
> > > > > > > towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
> > > > > > > moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
> > > > > > > the same, as good, as the
> > > original.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
> > > > > > > Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were true
> > > > > > > according to the natural view (truth), we wouldn't even
> > > > > > > have such a thought.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
> > > > > > > there may be more to life than what your natural
> > > > > > > perception is telling you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> > > > > > > personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do
> > > > > > > you get that one-of personality from impersonal matter
> > > > > > > and energy elements and into the nature of billions with
> > > > > > > personality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
> > > > > > > there is more
> > > to
> > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
> > > > > > presence
> > > within?
> > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do
> > > > > > they too
> > > have
> > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > along with people.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I
> > > > > > > am not
> > > going
> > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
> > > > > > want to
> > > > > spruik
> > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> > > > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
> > > > admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
> > > > losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
> > > > admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
> > > >
> > > > Dawn
> > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > to have faith".
> > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
> > crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
> > he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
> > saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
> > unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
> > to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>
> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
> there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>
> when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
> tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

That's cause its not worth it. My cousin moved a mountain once &
accidentally set it down on his car & the insurance company refused to
pay & also some of the ppl that live on the mountain got mad cause now
they got to drive farther to work. He say's he'll never do it again.

--

No Jesus, no piece

No Jesus, no piece

On 21/04/2024 4:40 am, Lil-man-ball wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> All arguments with all Christians
>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> to have faith".
>
> All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.

....in God, in the Creator they know exists.

But they do have faith in something, though, in themselves, and good
luck with that!

Failure is not a thing one should have faith in.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

TT Liams wrote:
> Maximus wrote:
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>
>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about the christian faith, the less likely they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are to believe in it.
>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>> believe everything your told, and don't question
>>>>>>>>>>> anything
>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
>>>>>>>>>> mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
>>>>>>>>>> Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>>>>>>>>> vastly
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>> innumerably different ways.
>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>>>>>>>> towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>> moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
>>>>>>>> the same, as good, as the
>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
>>>>>>>> Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were true
>>>>>>>> according to the natural view (truth), we wouldn't even
>>>>>>>> have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>>>>>>>> there may be more to life than what your natural
>>>>>>>> perception is telling you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do
>>>>>>>> you get that one-of personality from impersonal matter
>>>>>>>> and energy elements and into the nature of billions with
>>>>>>>> personality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>>>>>>>> there is more
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>>>>>>> presence
>>>> within?
>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do
>>>>>>> they too
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I
>>>>>>>> am not
>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
>>>>> admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>> to have faith".
>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
>> there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>>
>> when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
>> tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.
>
> That's cause its not worth it. My cousin moved a mountain once &
> accidentally set it down on his car & the insurance company refused to
> pay & also some of the ppl that live on the mountain got mad cause now
> they got to drive farther to work. He say's he'll never do it again.
>

plus the unions would never stand for it. all those earth moving job
losses..

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>
>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>> @dont-email.me:
>>
>> > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>> >> @mid.individual.net:
>> >>
>> >>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>> >>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in
>> >>>>>>>>> it.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Mego Maximus
>> >>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>> >>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>> >>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>> >>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>> different
>> >>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>> >>>>> different ways.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Immeasurably.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>> appearance
>> >>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>> >>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>> >>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>> >>>> as the
>> original.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>> >>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>> >>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>> >>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>> >>>> you?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality
>> >>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>> >>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>> >>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>> >>>> more
>> to
>> >>>> life than physics (science).
>> >>>
>> >>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>> within?
>> >>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>> >>> too
>> have
>> >>> some divine presence within?
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> >> to separate animals from people when it
>> >> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> >> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> >> along with people.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>> going
>> >>>> to keep doing that forever.
>> >>>
>> >>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>> >> spruik
>> >>> my gobbledygook
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> >> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> >> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> >> he cannot prove.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>> > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>> > during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>> > faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>> > believe is to be brainwashed.
>> >
>> > Dawn
>> >
>> >
>>
>> All arguments with all Christians
>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> to have faith".
>>
>> Maybe that is why so many have
>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>> any of their claims.
>
> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
> answers.
>

If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>> different
>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>> appearance
>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>> as the
>>> original.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality
>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>> more
>>> to
>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>> within?
>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>> too
>>> have
>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>> going
>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>> spruik
>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>
>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>
>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>>
>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>> to have faith".
>>>
>>> Maybe that is why so many have
>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>> any of their claims.
>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>> answers.
>>
> If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>
>
>
>

exactly

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 20/04/2024 6:38 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
>>>>
>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
>>>>
>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>> different ways.
>>
>> Immeasurably.
>>
>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.
>>
>>
>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>
>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
>>
>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>> nature of billions with personality.
>>
>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more to
>> life than physics (science).
>
> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?

"Personality" is who you are—infinitely complex, diverse, and unique—a
one-of. However, humans are made in the image of God. Animals are not.
In other words, animals are devoid of morality (equal rights, right and
wrong, etc.), purpose, meaning, the understanding, or knowing about life
and death, that they are going to die.

And no science equation can ever or will ever be able to explain
that—that tells you there is more than science.

> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
> some divine presence within?

Personality does not come from an explosion, a rock collision, or some
chemical reaction you can "magic" in a science lab. If it did, we'd have
a shop in every village, town, city, and country on earth selling it.

Animals have uniqueness, but they don't have the image of God in them
that humans do.

Nevertheless, animals—every animal has a unique quality of behaviour
that I suppose you could call a personal-ity, rather, an individuality."
But then so is every plant unique.

What does that say about the Creator? He did amazing "painting." He
splashed His paint everywhere as an expression of who and what He is,
but we pollute it with our own ways, wants, and wills—our free will.

Life is full of God's expression. Sure, He put his personal image in
man, but that is not the end of the matter; it is through the whole
universe. Michelangelo is long gone, but his presence in his paintings
goes on. Only God is not dead. And all the physics in the universe can't
explain why physics does not have the answer to why and how it got there.

You know from the things that were made that your Creator is the answer,
because He is also the question.

>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
>> to keep doing that forever.
>
> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to spruik
> my gobbledygook

What you see is inherent within yourself.

I know it is always someone else.

For the Russians, it is always the Americans; for the Russians it is
always the Americans; for the Jews it is always the Arabs and for the
Arabs it is always the Jews.

No, it is always YOU who is the failure. Once you realise that, there is
hope.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
(in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> >
> > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> > > @dont-email.me:
> > >
> > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> > > > > @mid.individual.net:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> > > > > > > > > > > > the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
> > > > > > > > > > your told, and don't question anything
> > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
> > > > > > > > > "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> > > different
> > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> > > > > > > > different ways.
> > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> > > appearance
> > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
> > > > > > > grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
> > > > > > > the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
> > > original.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
> > > > > > > atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
> > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
> > > > > > > more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
> > > > > > > that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
> > > > > > > personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> > > > > > > nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
> > > to
> > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> > > within?
> > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
> > > have
> > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > >
> > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > along with people.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
> > > going
> > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
> > > > > spruik
> > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > >
> > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> > > > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
> > > > during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
> > > > unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > > > brainwashed.
> > > >
> > > > Dawn
> > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > to have faith".
> > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
> > saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
> > house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
> > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
> > eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>
> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
> and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”

Mark 11:22-24(KJV)

22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
he shall have whatsoever he saith.

24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

>
>
> when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
> tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
plenty of evidences of V 24.
>
>
> >
> > The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).
> >
> > “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like
> > a
> > wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
> > that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
> > in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)
> >
> > > Maybe that is why so many have
> > > come here and left, they cannot prove
> > > any of their claims.
> > How many years were you taught things regarding to the Bible after you
> > graduated from High School before you bailed out? I never did hear what your
> > reasons were for bailing out. And you were asked, politely.

On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
(in article <l8j27lF4k36U3@mid.individual.net>):

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > (in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):
> >
> > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > > > (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > > > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> > > > > released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> > > > >
> > > > > You moron.
> > > > >
> > > > > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-
> > > > > ar
> > > > > k/
> > > > >
> > > > > Genesis 7:2
> > > > > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > > > > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > > > > his female.
> > > > >
> > > > > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> > > > > female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
> > > > Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> > > > suitable sacrifice to God.
> > > > Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> > > > properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> > > > prepared. UnKosher.
> > > >
> > > > The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> > > > thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
> > > > as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
> > > > for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
> > > The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.
> > Nope
>
> you lot can't even agree on what to believe.

Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
between what is correct and what is not correct.

On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>
>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>> as the
>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality
>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>> more
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>> within?
>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>> too
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>> to have faith".
>>>>
>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>> any of their claims.
>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>> answers.
>>>
>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> exactly

Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

Sheesh!

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

Robert wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>
>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
>>>>>>>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
>>>>>>>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>>>>>>>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
>>>>>>>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
>>>>>>>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
>>>>>>>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
>>>>>>>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
>>>>>>>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
>>>>>>>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>>>>>>>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>>>>>>>> nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>> within?
>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
>>>>> unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
>>>>> brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>> to have faith".
>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
>>> saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
>>> house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
>>> I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
>>> eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
>> and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>
> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>
> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
> thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
> heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
> he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>
> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
> believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>
>>
>> when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
>> tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.
> Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct question,
> No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
> plenty of evidences of V 24.

I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but they
still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered and
unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow there's
no diety listening.

>>
>>> The law of faith (note, Mat 8:13).
>>>
>>> “But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like
>>> a
>>> wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed. For let not that man think
>>> that he shall receive any thing of the Lord. A double minded man is unstable
>>> in all his ways.” (Jas 1:6-8, KJV)
>>>
>>>> Maybe that is why so many have
>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>> any of their claims.
>>> How many years were you taught things regarding to the Bible after you
>>> graduated from High School before you bailed out? I never did hear what your
>>> reasons were for bailing out. And you were asked, politely.
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Robert wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <l8j27lF4k36U3@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
>>> (in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
>>>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
>>>>> (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>> You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
>>>>>> released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You moron.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-
>>>>>> ar
>>>>>> k/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Genesis 7:2
>>>>>> You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
>>>>>> and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
>>>>>> his female.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
>>>>>> female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
>>>>> Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
>>>>> suitable sacrifice to God.
>>>>> Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
>>>>> properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
>>>>> prepared. UnKosher.
>>>>>
>>>>> The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
>>>>> thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
>>>>> as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
>>>>> for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
>>>> The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.
>>> Nope
>> you lot can't even agree on what to believe.
> Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
> between what is correct and what is not correct.
>

on what basis does one decide? if there is no God, then none are correct

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>
>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality
>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>
>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>>> answers.
>>>>
>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> exactly
>
> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!

it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

>
> Sheesh!
>
>
> Michael Christ
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs cannot withstand reason, fact, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
(in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> > > >
> > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> > > > > @dont-email.me:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> > > > > > > @mid.individual.net:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
> > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
> > > > > > > > > > > > your told, and don't question anything
> > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
> > > > > > > > > > > "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> > > > > > > > > > different ways.
> > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> > > > > appearance
> > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
> > > > > > > > > grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
> > > > > > > > > the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
> > > > > original.
> > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
> > > > > > > > > atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
> > > > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
> > > > > > > > > more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
> > > > > > > > > that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
> > > > > > > > > personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> > > > > > > > > nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> > > > > within?
> > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
> > > > > > > spruik
> > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> > > > > > Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
> > > > > > during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
> > > > > > unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > > > > > brainwashed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > > to have faith".
> > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
> > > > saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
> > > > house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye
> > > > that
> > > > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
> > > > eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29,
> > > > KJV)
> > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> > > mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
> > > and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
> > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> >
> > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> >
> > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
> > thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
> > heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to
> > pass;
> > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> >
> > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
> > believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
> >
> > >
> > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
> > > tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.
> > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct
> > question,
> > No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But there is
> > plenty of evidences of V 24.
>
> I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but they
> still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
> unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered and
> unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow there's
> no diety listening.

I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that they do
not believe. And in fact there are several people currently posting in these
NG’s that tell others that God no longer is in the business of fulfilling
his words. Yet they will pray for healings, and ask others to do likewise.
Problem is that they are all in the same mindset of disbelief. A believer is
supposed to walk by faith, exercise their faith, and grow from faith works
experience to “Faith to faith” and this all sums up to being strong in
faith and not a bunch of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in
both the old as well as the new testaments.

On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
(in article <l8jlkeF7bh8U1@mid.individual.net>):

> Robert wrote:
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > (in article <l8j27lF4k36U3@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > > > (in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):
> > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > > > > > (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > > > > > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil was
> > > > > > > released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You moron.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-th
> > > > > > > e-
> > > > > > > ar
> > > > > > > k/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Genesis 7:2
> > > > > > > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > > > > > > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > > > > > > his female.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and a
> > > > > > > female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
> > > > > > Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> > > > > > suitable sacrifice to God.
> > > > > > Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> > > > > > properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> > > > > > prepared. UnKosher.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> > > > > > thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as well
> > > > > > as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal was used
> > > > > > for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
> > > > > The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.
> > > > Nope
> > > you lot can't even agree on what to believe.
> > Because you lump everyone into the same box and cannot make a distinction
> > between what is correct and what is not correct.
>
> on what basis does one decide? if there is no God, then none are correct

The NT teaches what is a Believer, and how they behave, and those who exhibit
actions outside those scopes are not the true followers of Jesus. It teaches
what is a fraud as well. Yes, Believers can get caught up in the affairs of
this world at times, but they should self correct, or correct when admonished
by God, or their elders. I recently posted some scripture directly pointed to
that, but only in the NG’s that were supposed to have “christians”
posting there. I typically do never post directly to AA.

Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to see what
made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in those days at the
beginning after the resurrection of Christ.

On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality
>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>>>> answers.
>>>>>
>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> exactly
>>
>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>
> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
> angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary

The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

You can't live without faith.

Please wake up to at least some grown up common sense or I going to have
to delete you again!

Michael Christ

>
>>
>> Sheesh!
>>
>>
>> Michael Christ
>>
>
>

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God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.