On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you
>>>>>>>>>>> use for
>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead,
>>>>>>> or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.
>>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>
>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
>>>> remain one.
>>>
>>>
>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the idiot is
>>> you

Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:05:20 -0500
> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Faith does not move mountains.
>
> Bullshite!
>
> Matthew 17:20
>
> And He *said to them, “Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.
>
> Mark 11:23
>
> Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.
>
> Matthew 21:21
>
> And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen.
>
> Luke 17:6
>
> And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.
>
> Mark 11:22
>
> And Jesus *answered saying to them, “Have faith in God.
>
> 1 Corinthians 13:2
>
> If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.
>
> Matthew 8:26
>
> He *said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.
>
> Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Faith-Moving-Mountains
>

such a pity no believer has ever attained such faith then, isn't it. or
is it rather the truth that no amount of faith could ever move a mountain.

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>
>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
>>>>>>>>>>>> in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now,
>>>>>>>>>> if the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there
>>>>>>>>>> may be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>> telling you?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>> get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>> elements and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>> that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
>>>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
>>>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
>>>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
>>>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>>>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
>>>> there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>>>
>>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>>>
>>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
>>> not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
>>> saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>>>
>>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
>>
>> Dawn
>>
>>
> "Science flies you to the moon.
> Faith flies you into buildings"
>
> - recently spotted bumper sticker -

yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas, Jonestown,
and all the rest

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> Faith flies you into buildings"
> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>

wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you already do

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 29/04/2024 12:52 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>>>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>>>
>>>>> Robert wrote:
>>>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>  wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now,
>>>>>>>>>>> if the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there
>>>>>>>>>>> may be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>> telling you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>> get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>> elements and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>> that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>>>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
>>>>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
>>>>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
>>>>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
>>>>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>>>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>>>>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
>>>>> there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>>>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>>>>
>>>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>>>>
>>>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>>>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
>>>> not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
>>>> saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>>>>
>>>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>>>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>>>>
>>> Robert,
>>>
>>> Faith does not move mountains.  Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>>
>>>
>>    "Science flies you to the moon.
>>    Faith flies you into buildings"
>>
>>    - recently spotted bumper sticker -
>
> yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas, Jonestown,
> and all the rest

Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 17:40:07 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
>> news:20240422084929.4a475173@ 234567aaa:
>>
>>> On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:44:23 +0000
>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
>>>> news:20240421124836.287d0013@ 234567aaa:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>>>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>>>>>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>>>>> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Oh goody I was waiting for a moon hoaxer to come along.
>>>>
>>>> And your proof of that is.......?
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Our flag flapping in the solar 'wind', lol...
>>>
>>>
>> It isn't flapping.
> Flapping, ruffled, non linear, heh...
>
> https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/151/590x/NASA-Moon-landing-flag-Apollo-11-why-flag-wave-flap-NASA-hoax-conspiracy-1140849.jpg?r=1624283999787
>
> https://www.nasa.gov/history/alsj/ApolloFlags-Condition.html
>
> Based on the new (LRO) images, that mystery may remain unsolved, but
> (LRO Camera Principal Investigator, Dr. Mark) Robinson is skeptical
> that the flags are intact, if they are still there.

"Buzz Aldrin saluting the proudly waving American flag on the Moon
remains one of the iconic images of the Apollo 11 mission, a declaration
of US supremacy over space race rivals the Soviet Union. But if there is
no atmosphere on the Moon, there is no wind - so why is the flag waving?
Is this the proof that conspiracy theorists have been seeking? Look
again at the image, and in particular along the top edge of the flag,
and you will find the answer. A telescopic pole has been extended along
the top in order to make the flag fly proudly (yes, NASA really did
think of everything). "Because it’s been set up like this, it appears to
be waving in the wind," Ojha explains. "All the wrinkles are there
because it’s literally been screwed up for four days en route to the Moon."

https://www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/moon-landing-conspiracy-theories-debunked

And we still bounce lasers off the reflector the astronauts left there.
have fun explaining how it got there.

https://wtop.com/science/2019/07/the-experiment-still-running-on-the-moon-and-tv-re-runs-50-years-later/

>
>
>
> And the moon doesn't ring like a bell, right?
>
> https://youtu.be/HUcEe9jq1jQ
>
> https://twitter.com/ArtOfDialogue_/status/1763332144179364315
>

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you
>>>>>>>>>>>> use for
>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead,
>>>>>>>> or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>>>
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
>>>>> remain one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the idiot
>>>> is you
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>
> Maximus wrote:
>> prove it!
>
> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in news:20240421100248.2b430c66@
> 234567aaa:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>>
>>> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
>> If not, you're in denial:
>>
>> https://arkencounter.com/
>>
>> Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
>> dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
>> and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
>> and old.
>>
>
>
> Known land animal species =
>
> Insects: 1 million+ species
> Arachnids: 75,500 species
> Reptiles: 7,984 species
> Amphibians: 5,400 species
> Birds: 9,000-10,000 species
> Mammals: 4,475-5,000 species
> Dinosaurs 750 known species
> http://tinyurl.com/3xd4xd3
>
>
> And they all fit into Ye Ark,
> along with a years supply of food
> for each of them.
>
> Right.....................
>

and don't forget the husbandry. imagine the smell from all that poop..

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>
>> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
> If not, you're in denial:
>
> https://arkencounter.com/
>
> Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
> dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
> and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
> and old.
>

anyone who believes the Ark story is too brain dead to have a sensible
rational discussion with

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead,
>>>>>>>>> or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
>>>>>> remain one.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the idiot
>>>>> is you
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>
>> Maximus wrote:
>>> prove it!
>>
>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>
> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in some
> way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and themselves
> considered a fool
>
>
>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>
> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what I do.
>
>>
>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>
>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>> willingness to believe."
>
> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe the
> proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject that
> proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that it's
> round.
>
>>
>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>
> see previous comment

Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:

> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>>
>
> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
> already do
>

I remember a study showing a faked
moon landing conspiracy would require
the silence of 400,000 people.

The whole idea is preposterous.

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
>>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>
>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>> prove it!
>>>
>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>
>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>> themselves considered a fool
>>
>>
>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>
>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>> I do.
>>
>>>
>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>
>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>> willingness to believe."
>>
>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>> it's round.
>>
>>>
>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>> see previous comment
>
> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>
> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>
>

Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:
>
>> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>>>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>>> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>>>
>> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>> already do
>>
>
> I remember a study showing a faked
> moon landing conspiracy would require
> the silence of 400,000 people.

yep, seen that too.

>
> The whole idea is preposterous.

certainly is

--
“Atheism is the birth right of all human, remember that!”- hhyapster 7.4.23

"Christian beliefs fail against reason, facts, and knowledge"

"Religion is not about truth, it's about lifestyle"

"God is a convenient explanation for what man does not understand.
The less that's inexplicable, the less need for a 'God' explanation."

"The problem with theism is that it never remains within
the realm of belief, but invariably proceeds to assertion"

In article <l98ffdFblorU2@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:24:01 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Evasion noted.
> >>
> >> If a BILLION prayers get ignored
> >> by God what is the chance of ONE prayer
> >> being answered?
> > "Ignored" or "rejected"?
>
> or never received because the addressee is non-existent

Yet you don't really know that.
>
> >
> > Ya dumbass cornholer.
> >

In article <l99omnFhkobU1@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
> > On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
> >>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
> >>>>>>>>>> necessary
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
> >>>>>>>>> faith.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
> >>>>>>> will remain one.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
> >>>>>> idiot is you
> >>>
> >>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
> >>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
> >>>
> >>> Maximus wrote:
> >>>> prove it!
> >>>
> >>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
> >>
> >> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
> >> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
> >> themselves considered a fool
> >>
> >>
> >>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
> >>
> >> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
> >> I do.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
> >>>
> >>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
> >>> willingness to believe."
> >>
> >> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
> >> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
> >> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
> >> it's round.
> >>
> >>>
> >>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
> >>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
> >>
> >> see previous comment
> >
> > :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
> >
> > Prove to me you are an atheist.
> >
> >
>
> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>

In article <l98gboFbqulU2@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
> >
> >> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
> >>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> >>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> >>>
> >>>> Robert wrote:
> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> >>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> >>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> >>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
> >>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
> >>>>>> different
> >>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
> >>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
> >>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
> >>>>>> appearance
> >>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
> >>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
> >>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
> >>>>>>>>>> as the
> >>>>>> original.
> >>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now,
> >>>>>>>>>> if the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
> >>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there
> >>>>>>>>>> may be more to life than what your natural perception is
> >>>>>>>>>> telling you?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> >>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
> >>>>>>>>>> get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
> >>>>>>>>>> elements and into the nature of billions with personality.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
> >>>>>>>>>> more
> >>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
> >>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
> >>>>>> within?
> >>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
> >>>>>>>>> too
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
> >>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> >>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
> >>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> >>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> >>>>>>>> along with people.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
> >>>>>>>>>> not
> >>>>>> going
> >>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
> >>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want
> >>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>> spruik
> >>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
> >>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
> >>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
> >>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> >>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
> >>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> >>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
> >>>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
> >>>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
> >>>>>>> that to believe is to be brainwashed.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Dawn
> >>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
> >>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
> >>>>>> to have faith".
> >>>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
> >>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
> >>>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
> >>>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
> >>>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
> >>>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
> >>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> >>>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, �Move from here to
> >>>> there,� and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
> >>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> >>>
> >>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> >>>
> >>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
> >>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
> >>> not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
> >>> saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> >>>
> >>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
> >>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
> >>>
> >> Robert,
> >>
> >> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
> >>
> >> Dawn
> >>
> >>
> > "Science flies you to the moon.
> > Faith flies you into buildings"
> >
> > - recently spotted bumper sticker -
>
> yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas, Jonestown,
> and all the rest

In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Science flies you to the moon.
> >> Faith flies you into buildings"
> > The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
> >
>
> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you already do

Were you there?

In article <XnsB16352A26110Anoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.22>,
dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>
> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:
>
> > Little@man.Ball wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> >> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Science flies you to the moon.
> >>> Faith flies you into buildings"
> >> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
> >>
> >
> > wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
> > already do
> >
>
>
> I remember a study showing a faked
> moon landing conspiracy would require
> the silence of 400,000 people.
>
> The whole idea is preposterous.

The current admin is capable of doing that.

In article <l98r49Fda9uU3@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
says...
>
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
> > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
> >
> >> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
> > If not, you're in denial:
> >
> > https://arkencounter.com/
> >
> > Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah?s Ark, built according to the
> > dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
> > and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
> > and old.
> >
>
> anyone who believes the Ark story is too brain dead to have a sensible
> rational discussion with

So you don't allow others to have the freedom to think how they want?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in news:662fc052$0$2422109
$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <XnsB16352A26110Anoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.22>,
> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> news:l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net:
>>
>> > Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> >> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>> >> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> >>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>> >>
>> >
>> > wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>> > already do
>> >
>>
>>
>> I remember a study showing a faked
>> moon landing conspiracy would require
>> the silence of 400,000 people.
>>
>> The whole idea is preposterous.
>
> The current admin is capable of doing that.
>

Huh?

What does the "current administration"
have to with faked moon landing claim?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:662fc029$0$2422128$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>,
> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>
>> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> >> Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >
>> >
>> > The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>> >
>>
>> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>> already do
>
> Were you there?

Do you believe the moon landings were faked?

Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
news:662fc001$0$2422127$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:

> In article <l98gboFbqulU2@mid.individual.net>,
> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>
>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:
>> >
>> >> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>> >>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> >>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> >>>
>> >>>> Robert wrote:
>> >>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> >>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> >>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in it.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
>> >>>>>>>>>>> vastly
>> >>>>>> different
>> >>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>> >>>>>>>>>>> innumerably different ways.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>> >>>>>> appearance
>> >>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>> >>>>>>>>>> towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>> >>>>>>>>>> moment we are born that the replacing cells are not quite
>> >>>>>>>>>> the same, as good, as the
>> >>>>>> original.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
>> >>>>>>>>>> Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were true
>> >>>>>>>>>> according to the natural view (truth), we wouldn't even
>> >>>>>>>>>> have such a thought.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>> >>>>>>>>>> there may be more to life than what your natural
>> >>>>>>>>>> perception is telling you?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>> >>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do
>> >>>>>>>>>> you get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and
>> >>>>>>>>>> energy elements and into the nature of billions with
>> >>>>>>>>>> personality.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>> >>>>>>>>>> there is more
>> >>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>> >>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>> >>>>>>>>> presence
>> >>>>>> within?
>> >>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do
>> >>>>>>>>> they too
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>> >>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> >>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>> >>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> >>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> >>>>>>>> along with people.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I
>> >>>>>>>>>> am not
>> >>>>>> going
>> >>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>> >>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>> >>>>>>>>> want to
>> >>>>>>>> spruik
>> >>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>> >>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> >>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> >>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> >>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>> >>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>> >>>>>>> between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>> >>>>>>> who admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible
>> >>>>>>> to losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
>> >>>>>>> admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Dawn
>> >>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>> >>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> >>>>>> to have faith".
>> >>>>> ⤽And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>> >>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
>> >>>>> when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
>> >>>>> Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?
>> >>>>> They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes,
>> >>>>> saying, According to your faith be it unto you.⤝ (Mat
>> >>>>> 9:27-29, KJV)
>> >>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as
>> >>>> a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, �?Move from here
>> >>>> to there,�? and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
>> >>>> you.⤝
>> >>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>> >>>
>> >>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>> >>>
>> >>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>> >>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
>> >>> shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things
>> >>> which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he
>> >>> saith.
>> >>>
>> >>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>> >>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>> >>>
>> >> Robert,
>> >>
>> >> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move
>> >> mountains.
>> >>
>> >> Dawn
>> >>
>> >>
>> > "Science flies you to the moon.
>> > Faith flies you into buildings"
>> >
>> > - recently spotted bumper sticker -
>>
>> yes, it's belief in such nonsense that leads to Waco Texas,
>> Jonestown, and all the rest
>
> No, those were/are false prophets. The were mentioned in the bible.

On 30/04/2024 12:21 am, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
>>>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
>>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>
>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>> prove it!
>>>>
>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>
>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>
>>>
>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>
>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>> I do.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>
>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>
>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>> it's round.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>> see previous comment
>>
>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>
>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>
>>
>
> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.

On 30/04/2024 1:41 am, Skeeter wrote:
> In article <l99omnFhkobU1@mid.individual.net>, gladiator@colosseum.rome
> says...
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 29/04/2024 2:30 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 29/04/2024 12:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 10:26 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> God presence
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but I am not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> just want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> debate between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who admitted
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> losing their
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you use for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the
>>>>>>>>>>>> dead, or angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not
>>>>>>>>>>>> necessary
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your
>>>>>>>>>>> faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you
>>>>>>>>> will remain one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> no, I'm sensible and rational, and I justify what i say. the
>>>>>>>> idiot is you
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>> You talk about reason, but you don't reason; all you do is take a
>>>>>>> dump with your opinion, and that is it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> prove it!
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody needs to prove anything before thee, oh great Maximus the Great.
>>>>
>>>> a person making a claim needs to prove, or at least justify it in
>>>> some way, if they don't want to have their claim dismissed and
>>>> themselves considered a fool
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> You assume too much of your capabilities, Mr. Awesome Know-it-all.
>>>>
>>>> I support what I say with reason, facts, all knowledge. that is what
>>>> I do.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Plus, you are a moron. Here is why...
>>>>>
>>>>> "You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
>>>>> willingness to believe."
>>>>
>>>> somethings is not unproven simply because someone does not believe
>>>> the proof. it's well proven that the earth is round. you may reject
>>>> that proof, and believe the earth is flat, but it's still a fact that
>>>> it's round.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, to demonstrate that you have an opportunity to REASON your dumb
>>>>> ass into reality, prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>>
>>>> see previous comment
>>>
>>> :-). I knew you'd do a runner! You always do, Mr Reason!
>>>
>>> Prove to me you are an atheist.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> what runner? I answered your question, which is a stupid one anyway.
>>
>
> Another Rudy wannabe. Prove you're not an atheist.

On 30/04/2024 3:34 am, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
> news:662fc029$0$2422128$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>
>> In article <l98geeFbqulU3@mid.individual.net>,
>> gladiator@colosseum.rome says...
>>>
>>> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
>>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>>>>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>>>>
>>>
>>> wrong. do some research before believing more nonsense than you
>>> already do
>>
>> Were you there?
>
>
> Do you believe the moon landings were faked?

Mitchell, please do not promote fake moon landing conspiracy! Just stick
with your Bigfoot sightings belief!

Michael Christ

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Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

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is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
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hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

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"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
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"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

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"Priority is everything."

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"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
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"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
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you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."