On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB15B86A9CF472noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.19>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BD58925000450A030E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB15B560F91C10noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > > > (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > > > > > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person knows about the christian faith,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the less
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you believe everything your told, and don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania speaking, in the "full of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself" superficial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > vastly, vastly
> > > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost innumerably different ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It
> > > > > > > > > > > > > is only an
> > > > > > > > > appearance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > marching towards the grave is death. Our cells
> > > > > > > > > > > > > tell you from the moment we are born that the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > as the
> > > > > > > > > original.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "natural".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > does. Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity
> > > > > > > > > > > > > were true according to the natural view
> > > > > > > > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > postulate there may be more to life than what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > your natural perception is telling you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the personality in that new life is just natural?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Then how do you get that one-of personality from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > impersonal matter and energy elements and into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > the nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > proving there is more
> > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of
> > > > > > > > > > > > God presence
> > > > > > > > > within?
> > > > > > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities
> > > > > > > > > > > > too. do they too
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn, but I am not
> > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate.
> > > > > > > > > > > > i just want to
> > > > > > > > > > > spruik
> > > > > > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > > > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > > > > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > > > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
> > > > > > > > > > debate between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike
> > > > > > > > > > Licona, the latter who admitted during the debate that
> > > > > > > > > > a believer is susceptible to losing their faith unless
> > > > > > > > > > they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe
> > > > > > > > > > is to be brainwashed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > > > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > > > > > > to have faith".
> > > > > > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed
> > > > > > > > him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on
> > > > > > > > us. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came
> > > > > > > > to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
> > > > > > > > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
> > > > > > > > touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be
> > > > > > > > it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
> > > > > > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small
> > > > > > > as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from
> > > > > > > here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be
> > > > > > > impossible for you.”
> > > > > > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
> > > > > > mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
> > > > > > shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those
> > > > > > things which he saith shall come to pass;
> > > > > > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
> > > > > > ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but
> > > > > > > supposedly the tiniest amount of faith would make it
> > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your
> > > > > > direct question,
> > > > > > No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened.
> > > > > > But there is plenty of evidences of V 24.

On Apr 21, 2024, 68hx.1806 wrote
(in article<-qmcnTE2svLtGrj7nZ2dnZfqn_idnZ2d@earthlink.com>):

> On 4/21/24 5:11 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 16:54:41 -0400
> > "68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/21/24 3:23 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000
> > > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> > > > > news:20240421100248.2b430c66@ 234567aaa:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
> > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If not, you're in denial:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://arkencounter.com/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to
> > > > > > the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet
> > > > > > wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes
> > > > > > visitors young and old.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Known land animal species =
> > > > >
> > > > > Insects: 1 million+ species
> > > >
> > > > Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!
> > >
> > > Um ... better take a few bio night-courses.
> >
> >
> > Better know that God has a full DNA set ready to deploy on the landing
> > site.
>
> Takes a lot more than DNA ... bodies are SYSTEMS and DNA
> is only ONE working part. Everything interacts, co-evolved,
> with everything else. A bucket of grasshopper DNA will not
> yield one actual grasshopper. There are textbooks all about
> this stuff ... do they still have "libraries" at colleges ?
>
> Hey, pop the back on yer laptop or tablet. "The Code" can't
> even be seen and then there are all those damned chips and
> wires and crap - and it all has to work together to yield
> an actual "laptop". Winders is NOT a computer.

There is no such thing as a computer.
>
>
> Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
> the Stupid Ages.

Maximus wrote:

> TT Liams wrote:
> > Maximus wrote:
> >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> > > >
> >>>>Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
> > > > > @dont-email.me:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> >>>>>>Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
> > > > > > > @mid.individual.net:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows about the christian faith, the less
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
> > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
> > > > > > > > > > > > believe everything your told, and don't question
> > > > > > > > > > > > anything
> > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
> > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and arrogance,
> > > > > > > > > > > Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly,
> > > > > > > > > > vastly
> > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost
> > > > > > > > > > innumerably different ways.
> > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
> > > > > > > > > only an
> > > > > appearance
> > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
> > > > > > > > > towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from
> > > > > > > > > the moment we are born that the replacing cells are
> > > > > > > > > not quite the same, as good, as the
> > > > > original.
> > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
> > > > > > > > > does. Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were
> > > > > > > > > true according to the natural view (truth), we
> > > > > > > > > wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
> > > > > > > > > there may be more to life than what your natural
> > > > > > > > > perception is telling you?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> > > > > > > > > personality in that new life is just natural? Then
> > > > > > > > > how do you get that one-of personality from
> > > > > > > > > impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> > > > > > > > > nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
> > > > > > > > > there is more
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
> > > > > > > > presence
> > > > > within?
> > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
> > > > > > > > do they too
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
> > > > > > > > > but I am not
> > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
> > > > > > > > just want to
> > > > > > > spruik
> > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
> > > > > > between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the
> > > > > > latter who admitted during the debate that a believer is
> > > > > > susceptible to losing their faith unless they are
> > > > > > "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > > > > > brainwashed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > > to have faith".
> > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
> > > > crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
> > > > when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
> > > > Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this?
> > > > They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes,
> > > > saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29,
> > > > KJV)
> > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> > > mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
> > > there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
> > >
> > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly the
> > > tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.

> >
> > That's cause its not worth it. My cousin moved a mountain once &
> > accidentally set it down on his car & the insurance company refused
> > to pay & also some of the ppl that live on the mountain got mad
> > cause now they got to drive farther to work. He say's he'll never
> > do it again.
> >
>

> plus the unions would never stand for it. all those earth moving job
> losses..

LOL.

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03ov5$f3s8$1@dont-email.me...
> Andrew wrote:
>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>
>>> This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue
>>> this afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith,
>>> my faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
>>> apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
>>> description of the physical world given by modern science at least
>>> implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
>>>
>>> Dawn
>>
>> The laws of nature all point to the fact that we have a Creator.
>> Such as the Law of Biogenesis, which says that all life comes
>> from previous existing life. Never an exception ever. It is a
>> Law of science.
>>
>> Then we can get into the Laws of thermo, and the existence of
>> matter..
>
> We've going through this ad nauseam, Andrew; point to a single
> scientific paper and/or textbook that supports your POV.

The Laws of science are usually not
debated. They are ~ established laws.

You are free to not believe them.
But only a fool would do that.

> We can also
> talk about the Kitzmiller v. Dover decision, but you have your
> explanations as to that outcome, also, don't you?
>
> Dawn

Lawyers and judges are not scientists.

Mitchell Holman wrote:

> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240421124807.54a6e7df@ 234567aaa:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:14:12 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Are you saying NONE of the people praying
> >> for his recovery was a "believer"?
> >
> >
> > Are you so moronic to think prayer alone changes God's plans?
> >
> >
>
>
> If prayer doesn't change anything why do it?

A JW told me that the only time God's actions match your prayers is if
he was gonna do it anyway.

% wrote:

> Dawn Flood wrote:
> > On 4/20/2024 1:40 PM, Lil-man-ball wrote:
> > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000
> >>Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > to have faith".
> > >
> > > All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.
> > >
> >
> > This is false.  I have faith that the laws of nature will continue
> > this afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious
> > faith, my faith is falsifiable.  It is possible that beginning
> > tomorrow that apples may start rising up from the ground, but
> > until then, the description of the physical world given by modern
> > science at least implies "almost surely" that such will not happen.
> >
> > Dawn
>

> not to you anyway

LOL.

Little@man.Ball wrote:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> > news:20240421100248.2b430c66@ 234567aaa:
> >
> > > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
> > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
> > >
> > >> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
> > >
> > > If not, you're in denial:
> > >
> > > https://arkencounter.com/
> > >
> > > Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to
> > > the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet
> > > wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes
> > > visitors young and old.
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > Known land animal species =
> >
> > Insects: 1 million+ species
> >
>

> Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!

You spew nonsense out your ass and call somebody else a dumb fuck? Or
were you referring to yourself?

"Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in news:20240421125042.7aeb28cb@
234567aaa:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:29:41 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
> >
> > Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
> > see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
> > those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
> >
> >
> >
>> I would love see some proof of that one...
>>
>> > Um...the Crusades!
>>
>>
>> 1) Pope Urban II was hardly "the Roman government".
>>
>> 2) He hardly cared about "what made Christians tick"
>> in Israel.
>
> You LOST his one BIG TIME, Holefucker.
>
> Btw - it was Constantine

Who had nothing to do with the Crusades.

> who homologated the Bible

The Bible didn't exist in Constantine's time.

> into a monotheistic
> constant after he panoply of roman "gods" failed during a time
> of...wait for it...CLIMATE CHANGE!
>
> Ya dumb buttfucker!
>
>

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BD59BDE0008B3F330E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB15B569C0CE7Bnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BD4ED91002DA46C30616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> >
>> > Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
>> > see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
>> > those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
>>
>> I would love see some proof of that one...
>
> It has already been given to you several times, what difference would
> it make to show you one more time when you are opposed to truth?
>
>

Sorry, the "I already posted it, look
thru my entire posting history and find it
yourself" excuse doesn't work.

Post the proof of your claim.

"Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
news:TIiVN.622860$yZ2.260022@fx13.ams4:

> "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03ov5$f3s8$1@dont-email.me...
>> Andrew wrote:
>>> "Dawn Flood" wrote:
>>>
>>>> This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue
>>>> this afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious
>>>> faith, my faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning
>>>> tomorrow that apples may start rising up from the ground, but until
>>>> then, the description of the physical world given by modern science
>>>> at least implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
>>>>
>>>> Dawn
>>>
>>> The laws of nature all point to the fact that we have a Creator.
>>> Such as the Law of Biogenesis, which says that all life comes
>>> from previous existing life. Never an exception ever. It is a
>>> Law of science.
>>>
>>> Then we can get into the Laws of thermo, and the existence of
>>> matter..
>>
>> We've going through this ad nauseam, Andrew; point to a single
>> scientific paper and/or textbook that supports your POV.
>
> The Laws of science are usually not
> debated. They are ~ established laws.

Even scientists do not think all
laws are "established".

Remember when "established law"
said the speed of light is constant?

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/speed-light-not-so-constant-after-all

>
> You are free to not believe them.
> But only a fool would do that.

As a creationist since when do
you care what scientists think?

"Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in news:20240421124836.287d0013@
234567aaa:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> "Science flies you to the moon.
>> Faith flies you into buildings"
>
> The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
>
>

Oh goody I was waiting for a moon hoaxer to come along.

And your proof of that is.......?

"Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in news:20240421124909.4d074f38@
234567aaa:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:25:54 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Modern Christian: Someone who rejects
>> faith healing
>
> A lie.
>
> See: Christian Scientists.

See: Lots of dead babies.

Faith-Healing Churches Linked to 2 Dozen Child Deaths
May 24, 2013

Two Philadelphia faith-healing churches have a long
history of the youngest members of their congregation
dying because parents refused medical care.

Families who attend Faith Tabernacle Congregation in
North Philadelphia and First Century Gospel Church in
Juniata Park have lost more than two dozen children to
illness since 1971, according to non-profit Children�s
Healthcare Is a Legal Duty, Inc. (CHILD, Inc.). Both
churches believe in the power of prayer over modern
medicine.
http://tinyurl.com/nxbbgs7

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BD5E1040018E8E930E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB15B86A9CF472noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.19>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BD58925000450A030E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > (in article<XnsB15B560F91C10noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
>> >
>> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> > > news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>> > >
>> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> > > > (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> > > > > > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > > > article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>)
>> > > > > > > > :
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person knows about the christian
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >faith, > > the less
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >is you believe everything your told,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >and don't
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania speaking, in the "full of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself" superficial
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > is vastly, vastly
>> > > > > > > > > different
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost innumerably different ways.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > It is only an
>> > > > > > > > > appearance
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > marching towards the grave is death. Our
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > cells tell you from the moment we are born
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > that the replacing cells are not quite the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > same, as good, as the
>> > > > > > > > > original.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "natural".
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Because it does. Now, if the atheist theory
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > of stupidity were true according to the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > such a thought.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > postulate there may be more to life than what
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > your natural perception is telling you?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > all the personality in that new life is just
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > personality from impersonal matter and energy
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > elements and into
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > the nature of billions with personality.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > proving there is more
>> > > > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
>> > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort
>> > > > > > > > > > > > of God presence
>> > > > > > > > > within?
>> > > > > > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have
>> > > > > > > > > > > > personalities too. do they too
>> > > > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
>> > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> > > > > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
>> > > > > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> > > > > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> > > > > > > > > > > along with people.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn, but I am not
>> > > > > > > > > going
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational
>> > > > > > > > > > > > debate. i just want to
>> > > > > > > > > > > spruik
>> > > > > > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
>> > > > > > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> > > > > > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> > > > > > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> > > > > > > > > > > he cannot prove.
>> > > > > > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>> > > > > > > > > > debate between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike
>> > > > > > > > > > Licona, the latter who admitted during the debate
>> > > > > > > > > > that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>> > > > > > > > > > faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
>> > > > > > > > > > admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > > > > > All arguments with all Christians
>> > > > > > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
>> > > > > > > > > to have faith".
>> > > > > > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men
>> > > > > > > > followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David,
>> > > > > > > > have mercy on us. And when he was come into the house,
>> > > > > > > > the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them,
>> > > > > > > > Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto
>> > > > > > > > him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying,
>> > > > > > > > According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat
>> > > > > > > > 9:27-29, KJV)
>> > > > > > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as
>> > > > > > > small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain,
>> > > > > > > ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing
>> > > > > > > will be impossible for you.”
>> > > > > > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto
>> > > > > > this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the
>> > > > > > sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe
>> > > > > > that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
>> > > > > > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire,
>> > > > > > when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall
>> > > > > > have them.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but
>> > > > > > > supposedly the tiniest amount of faith would make it
>> > > > > > > possible.
>> > > > > > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer
>> > > > > > your direct question,
>> > > > > > No one has a record stating that is has or has not
>> > > > > > happened. But there is plenty of evidences of V 24.
>
> *****************
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be
>> > > > > cured, but they still died. the whole Church was praying too.
>> > > > > lots of prayers go unanswered. one might even suggest the
>> > > > > correlation between answered and unanswered prayer is
>> > > > > commensurate with the law of averages. iow there's no diety
>> > > > > listening.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is
>> > > > that they do not believe. And in fact there are several people
>> > > > currently posting in these NG’s that tell others that God no
>> > > > longer is in the business of fulfilling his words. Yet they
>> > > > will pray for healings, and ask others to do likewise. Problem
>> > > > is that they are all in the same mindset of disbelief. A
>> > > > believer is supposed to walk by faith, exercise their faith,
>> > > > and grow from faith works experience to “Faith to faith”
>> > > > and this all sums up to being strong in faith and not a bunch
>> > > > of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in both the
>> > > > old as well as the new testaments.
> ******************
>> > > >
>> > > > Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just
>> > > > pay not attention to them. So then, they all do receive
>> > > > according to their faith. An that faith does not mean the faith
>> > > > of a religion whether it be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterian’s,
>> > > > etc.
>> > >
>> > > April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
>> > > with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
>> > > all over the world pray for his recovery.
>> > > He dies anyway.
>> > >
>> > > Are you saying NONE of those people
>> > > were "believers”?
>> >
>> > Read what I wrote, it contains the answer to your question.
>>
>> "A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
>> exercise their faith, and grow from faith
>> works experience to “Faith to faith”
>> and this all sums up to being strong in
>> faith and not a bunch of weaklings."
>>
>> Are you saying NONE of the people praying
>> for his recovery was a "believer"?
>
> I highlighted what answered the same thing for you t read. So you cn
> have an easy time finding it,

On 22/04/2024 8:54 am, % wrote:
> Dawn Flood wrote:
>> On 4/20/2024 1:40 PM, Lil-man-ball wrote:
>>> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000
>>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>> to have faith".
>>>
>>> All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.
>>>
>>
>> This is false.  I have faith that the laws of nature will continue
>> this afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith,
>> my faith is falsifiable.  It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
>> apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
>> description of the physical world given by modern science at least
>> implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
>>
>> Dawn
>
> not to you anyway

Now there is a poignant comment if I have ever read one.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On 4/21/24 6:52 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:16:56 -0400
> "68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:
>
>> On 4/21/24 5:54 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400
>>> "68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
>>>> the Stupid Ages.
>>>
>>> The kingdom of God lies within.
>>
>> No gods, no kingdoms, no 'divine will' ... nada.
>>
>>
>
> And we just imagined ourselves into existence - no Nephilim, Annunaki,
> etc...
>
> You dolthead.

Oh dear ... no rational discourse with you ....

Sacrifice yer kids to gain favor from yer
vengeful gawds ?

On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB15BCF89240A1noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.23>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BD5E1040018E8E930E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB15B86A9CF472noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.19>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BD58925000450A030E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > > On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > (in article<XnsB15B560F91C10noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > > > news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > > > > > (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > > > > > > > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > > > > > (in
> > > > > > > > > > article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>)
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > person knows about the christian
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > faith, > > the less
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is you believe everything your told,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania speaking, in the "full of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself" superficial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is vastly, vastly
> > > > > > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > almost innumerably different ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is only an
> > > > > > > > > > > appearance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > marching towards the grave is death. Our
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > cells tell you from the moment we are born
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that the replacing cells are not quite the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > same, as good, as the
> > > > > > > > > > > original.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "natural".
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Because it does. Now, if the atheist theory
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of stupidity were true according to the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > such a thought.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > postulate there may be more to life than what
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > your natural perception is telling you?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > all the personality in that new life is just
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > natural? Then how do you get that one-of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > personality from impersonal matter and energy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elements and into
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > proving there is more
> > > > > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > of God presence
> > > > > > > > > > > within?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > personalities too. do they too
> > > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn, but I am not
> > > > > > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > debate. i just want to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > spruik
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > > > > > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > > > > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > > > > > > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
> > > > > > > > > > > > debate between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike
> > > > > > > > > > > > Licona, the latter who admitted during the debate
> > > > > > > > > > > > that a believer is susceptible to losing their
> > > > > > > > > > > > faith unless they are "grounded", a candid
> > > > > > > > > > > > admission that to believe is to be brainwashed.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > > > > > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > > > > > > > > to have faith".
> > > > > > > > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men
> > > > > > > > > > followed him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David,
> > > > > > > > > > have mercy on us. And when he was come into the house,
> > > > > > > > > > the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them,
> > > > > > > > > > Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said unto
> > > > > > > > > > him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying,
> > > > > > > > > > According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat
> > > > > > > > > > 9:27-29, KJV)
> > > > > > > > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as
> > > > > > > > > small as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain,
> > > > > > > > > ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing
> > > > > > > > > will be impossible for you.”
> > > > > > > > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto
> > > > > > > > this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the
> > > > > > > > sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe
> > > > > > > > that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
> > > > > > > > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire,
> > > > > > > > when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall
> > > > > > > > have them.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but
> > > > > > > > > supposedly the tiniest amount of faith would make it
> > > > > > > > > possible.
> > > > > > > > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer
> > > > > > > > your direct question,
> > > > > > > > No one has a record stating that is has or has not
> > > > > > > > happened. But there is plenty of evidences of V 24.
> >
> > *****************
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be
> > > > > > > cured, but they still died. the whole Church was praying too.
> > > > > > > lots of prayers go unanswered. one might even suggest the
> > > > > > > correlation between answered and unanswered prayer is
> > > > > > > commensurate with the law of averages. iow there's no diety
> > > > > > > listening.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is
> > > > > > that they do not believe. And in fact there are several people
> > > > > > currently posting in these NG’s that tell others that God no
> > > > > > longer is in the business of fulfilling his words. Yet they
> > > > > > will pray for healings, and ask others to do likewise. Problem
> > > > > > is that they are all in the same mindset of disbelief. A
> > > > > > believer is supposed to walk by faith, exercise their faith,
> > > > > > and grow from faith works experience to “Faith to faith”
> > > > > > and this all sums up to being strong in faith and not a bunch
> > > > > > of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in both the
> > > > > > old as well as the new testaments.
> > ******************
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just
> > > > > > pay not attention to them. So then, they all do receive
> > > > > > according to their faith. An that faith does not mean the faith
> > > > > > of a religion whether it be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterian’s,
> > > > > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
> > > > > with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
> > > > > all over the world pray for his recovery.
> > > > > He dies anyway.
> > > > >
> > > > > Are you saying NONE of those people
> > > > > were "believers”?
> > > >
> > > > Read what I wrote, it contains the answer to your question.
> > >
> > > "A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
> > > exercise their faith, and grow from faith
> > > works experience to “Faith to faith”
> > > and this all sums up to being strong in
> > > faith and not a bunch of weaklings."
> > >
> > > Are you saying NONE of the people praying
> > > for his recovery was a "believer"?
> >
> > I highlighted what answered the same thing for you t read. So you cn
> > have an easy time finding it,
>
> Evasion noted.

On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB15BD1430A8noemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.19>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BD59BDE0008B3F330E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > (in article<XnsB15B569C0CE7Bnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
> >
> > > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> > > news:0001HW.2BD4ED91002DA46C30616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
> > > > see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
> > > > those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
> > >
> > > I would love see some proof of that one...
> >
> > It has already been given to you several times, what difference would
> > it make to show you one more time when you are opposed to truth?
>
> Sorry, the "I already posted it, look
> thru my entire posting history and find it
> yourself" excuse doesn't work.

Sorry, your inability to read my mind makes you appear a fool.
I clearly asked you a question, which you chose to ignore.

>
>
> Post the proof of your claim.

You paid no attention then, just lie you paid no attention here.
Therefor you have posted proof that you are trolling.

On 22/04/2024 11:16 am, Ted wrote:
> Little@man.Ball wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:36:44 +0000
>> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
>>> news:20240421100248.2b430c66@ 234567aaa:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible
>>>>
>>>> If not, you're in denial:
>>>>
>>>> https://arkencounter.com/
>>>>
>>>> Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to
>>>> the dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet
>>>> wide, and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes
>>>> visitors young and old.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Known land animal species =
>>>
>>> Insects: 1 million+ species
>>>
>>
>
>> Takes about 7 species to reboot ALL the DNA - seriously, dumb fuck!
>
>
> You spew nonsense out your ass and call somebody else a dumb fuck? Or
> were you referring to yourself?

Another dickhead, Ted.

Probably one of Tim's relations from the mountains.

Michael Christ

--
God is God in all His Being.

Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

"Every man is subject to God; He judges every man, and He is reality.
 What a gift in a fallen world!"

"Love MUST be a choice or it is nothing but a law!"

"Why were all men born sinners? So that God could reveal Himself, so
that we would behold the glory of God, and that we should bring forth
the glory of God"

"God does not and will not arbitrate for any man to love Him! If God
isn't everything to you, He is nothing to you where the rubber meets the
road."

"It is the unforgivable sin not to love God with all your heart, soul,
and mind. What do you have that is lasting? It is not so much being
punished; it is what you are left with."

"Love isn't worth anything without first a free will choice for God to
birth it in a man."

"The point of salvation: desperation. Anything less than that is
self-righteousness."

"A sinner is not a believer in God; a sinner is a believer in sin."

"A piece of dirt is not the promised land; that is only a reflection.
The promised land is knowing Me, says the Lord."

"It is all about God or it is all about idolatry."

"The Lord Jesus is coming soon. He has always come soon."

"There is no revolving door of self-worship in a son of God's life!"

"There is no such thing as random!"

"You can't truly love without it being with all your heart."

"No one can see God without their whole heart. Unless you can see God,
you know nothing."

"You can't learn God, God has to reveal Himself to you."

"No sinner is sinless in any way."

"Only God is life; only the Kingdom of God of His "Nature" is life."

"What you believe is just a leaning on your own understanding; faith is
a leaning on the one you have chosen to trust."

"God uses the "letter" to crucify a man and raise him from the dead."

"Not fearing God is sheer stupidity for sinners."

"Self-righteousness is any exclusion of God in your heart, because any
exclusion reveals that you think more about yourself than what you
really are."

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:24:01 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> Evasion noted.
>
> If a BILLION prayers get ignored
> by God what is the chance of ONE prayer
> being answered?

"Ignored" or "rejected"?

Ya dumbass cornholer.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:32:15 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240421125042.7aeb28cb@ 234567aaa:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:29:41 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places
> > > to see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did
> > > in those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >> I would love see some proof of that one...
> >>
> >> > Um...the Crusades!
> >>
> >>
> >> 1) Pope Urban II was hardly "the Roman government".
> >>
> >> 2) He hardly cared about "what made Christians tick"
> >> in Israel.
> >
> > You LOST his one BIG TIME, Holefucker.
> >
> > Btw - it was Constantine
>
>
>
> Who had nothing to do with the Crusades.

BIBLE - pay attention, cornholer.

>
>
> > who homologated the Bible
>
>
> The Bible didn't exist in Constantine's time.

The gospels most certainly did!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifty_Bibles_of_Constantine

The Fifty Bibles of Constantine were Bibles in the original Greek
language commissioned in 331 by Constantine I and prepared by Eusebius
of Caesarea. They were made for the use of the Bishop of Constantinople
in the growing number of churches in that very new city. Eusebius
quoted the letter of commission in his Life of Constantine, and it is
the only surviving source from which we know of the existence of the
Bibles.
>
>
>
> > into a monotheistic
> > constant after he panoply of roman "gods" failed during a time
> > of...wait for it...CLIMATE CHANGE!
> >
> > Ya dumb buttfucker!
> >
> >
>

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:34:12 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> Sorry, the "I already posted it, look
> thru my entire posting history and find it
> yourself" excuse doesn't work.

Sorry, your deny and re-demand proofs provided is a failed cornholer's
uselessnet ignominy.

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:44:23 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240421124836.287d0013@ 234567aaa:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:19:28 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "Science flies you to the moon.
> >> Faith flies you into buildings"
> >
> > The moon landing was hoaxed, so there's that...
> >
> >
>
> Oh goody I was waiting for a moon hoaxer to come along.
>
> And your proof of that is.......?
>
>
Our flag flapping in the solar 'wind', lol...

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:42:32 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> Even scientists do not think all
> laws are "established".

Just the ones they peer-herd to falsify...

On Mon, 22 Apr 2024 01:47:01 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240421124909.4d074f38@ 234567aaa:
>
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:25:54 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Modern Christian: Someone who rejects
> >> faith healing
> >
> > A lie.
> >
> > See: Christian Scientists.
>
>
> See: Lots of dead babies.
>
>
And lots more faith healings.

You do know standard medicine didn't even acknowledge SIDS for eons.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 22:04:57 -0400
"68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:

> On 4/21/24 6:52 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 18:16:56 -0400
> > "68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On 4/21/24 5:54 PM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 17:38:55 -0400
> >>> "68hx.1806" <68hx.1805@g5t8x.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Give up the religion - it's just manipulative crap from
> >>>> the Stupid Ages.
> >>>
> >>> The kingdom of God lies within.
> >>
> >> No gods, no kingdoms, no 'divine will' ... nada.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > And we just imagined ourselves into existence - no Nephilim,
> > Annunaki, etc...
> >
> > You dolthead.
>
> Oh dear ... no rational discourse with you ....
>
> Sacrifice yer kids to gain favor from yer
> vengeful gawds ?
>

I can't be blamed for past transgression of our ET masters.

Fail.