Michael Christ wrote:
> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>
>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> exactly
>>>
>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>
>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
>> angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>
> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.

faith has nothing to do with it. it's plain logic and common sense. when
there is proof truth is established. there's no longer any need for
faith that ones belief is true. but why challenge me, why not address
the comments author?

On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may
>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> exactly
>>>>
>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>
>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
>>> angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>>
>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.
>
> faith has nothing to do with it.

On 21/04/2024 2:46 am, Dawn Flood wrote:
> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>> @mid.individual.net:
>>
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
>>>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
>>>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>>>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly different
>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>> different ways.
>>>>
>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>
>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an appearance
>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
>>>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
>>>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the original.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>>
>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
>>>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
>>>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>
>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
>>>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
>>>>
>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
>>>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>>>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>>>> nature of billions with personality.
>>>>
>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more to
>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>
>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence within?
>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too have
>>> some divine presence within?
>>>
>>
>>
>>     Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> to separate animals from people when it
>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> along with people.
>>
>>
>>>>
>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not going
>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>
>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>> spruik
>>> my gobbledygook
>>
>>
>>       This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> he cannot prove.
>>
>
> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
> unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> brainwashed.
>
> Dawn

Bullshit.

Michael Christ

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Jesus is the everlasting Father, Jesus is God, Jesus is the Lord. John
10:30  I and Father are one. If you can't see that the Lord Jesus is the
everlasting Father you are not born again and can't see the Kingdom of God.

Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

Rom 5:8 But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

Jeremiah 10:23 O LORD, I know that the way of man is not in himself: it
is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.

Psalms 53:1 The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. Corrupt
are they, and have done abominable iniquity: there is none that doeth good.

Proverbs 12:15 The way of a fool is right in his own eyes: but he that
hearkeneth unto counsel is wise.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory."

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything."

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance (voice, the Person) of
God. When you find Him you have found the author."

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul, and mind. An abomination. Therefore,
sin is not what you do; it is what you are."

"Compromise will condemn you."

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus."

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all."

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life."

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free and free indeed with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything."

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying "prove it" [as a foundation] is merely an ignorant straw man, to
an ignorant straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

The Atheist: "They don't believe and put their faith in a Creator (the
obvious). So no evidence and proof is to be found!!"

"The world is the way it is because God can't compromise who He is."

"Man is not the centre of being."

"Man is incompatible with the natural world because of his sinful nature."

"And then the Lord said, "I see everything."

"Man has no greater idol than his own will."

"Where is God hiding? He isn't."

"If you don't keep all the scriptures, you can't keep any of them."

"You can't prove anything because everything depends on a person's
willingness to believe."

"Atheists are ultimately trying to be pointlessness, meaninglessness,
and purposelessness in their point, meaning, and purpose."

"The last day of creation will be the last day of time. God is always
full of hope."

"The veil of the temple was rent in twain, not to have a book pass
through it so that a sinner could play God."

"A phylactery does not a heart for God make. Not back then, and not today."

"No one in heaven is better (or higher) than what makes it heaven. Such
is the love of God."

"The definition of an atheist: A man full of bluster and bullshit
pretending he is the meaning of life."

"Free will is not power; it is the choice that I allow; that choice is
still according to my power," says the Lord.

What does a fool do? A fool looks for a "nothing" in a "something" in
order to explain the existence of existence.

"Unless you do all because He is who He is, all your religion is in vain."

Michael Christ wrote:
> On 21/04/2024 7:37 pm, Maximus wrote:
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> On 21/04/2024 3:15 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>> On 21/04/2024 12:14 pm, Maximus wrote:
>>>>>> Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Skeeter <skeeterweed@photonmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>> news:662417e6$0$7179$882e4bbb@reader.netnews.com:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>,
>>>>>>>> dalmationstation@aol.com says...
>>>>>>>>> Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>>>>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaking, in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> good,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Now, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there may
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be more to life than what your natural perception is telling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> personality
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy elements
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>>>>>>>>>>>>> there is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>>>>>>>>>>>> presence
>>>>>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>>>>>> too
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>      Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> am not
>>>>>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just
>>>>>>>>>>>> want to
>>>>>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>        This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>>>>>> admitted
>>>>>>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their
>>>>>>>>>> faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to
>>>>>>>>>> believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       All arguments with all Christians
>>>>>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>>>>>> to have faith".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>       Maybe that is why so many have
>>>>>>>>> come here and left, they cannot prove
>>>>>>>>> any of their claims.
>>>>>>>> Or maybe they got tired of all the redundant questions you use for
>>>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> exactly
>>>>>
>>>>> Unless you know everything, it took faith to believe that shit!
>>>>
>>>> it's true. if it could be proved that Jesus rose from the dead, or
>>>> angels exist, or all the other stuff, faith is not necessary
>>>
>>> The point was, Buddy, you saying "exactly" is based on your faith.
>>
>> faith has nothing to do with it.
>
> Just forget about it. You're a shallow denying idiot and you will
> remain one.

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>> > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
>> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows about the christian faith, the less
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
>> > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
>> > > > > > > > > > > > believe everything your told, and don't
>> > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
>> > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
>> > > > > > > > > > > speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
>> > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>> > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
>> > > > > > > > > > Michael,
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>> > > > > > > > > > vastly, vastly
>> > > > > different
>> > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost
>> > > > > > > > > > innumerably different ways.
>> > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
>> > > > > > > > > only an
>> > > > > appearance
>> > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
>> > > > > > > > > towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from
>> > > > > > > > > the moment we are born that the replacing cells are
>> > > > > > > > > not quite the same, as good, as the
>> > > > > original.
>> > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
>> > > > > > > > > > "natural".
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>> > > > > > > > > does. Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were
>> > > > > > > > > true according to the natural view
>> > > > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
>> > > > > > > > > there may be more to life than what your natural
>> > > > > > > > > perception is telling you?
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>> > > > > > > > > personality in that new life is just natural? Then
>> > > > > > > > > how do you get that one-of personality from
>> > > > > > > > > impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>> > > > > > > > > nature of billions with personality.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
>> > > > > > > > > there is more
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
>> > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
>> > > > > > > > presence
>> > > > > within?
>> > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
>> > > > > > > > do they too
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
>> > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
>> > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> > > > > > > along with people.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
>> > > > > > > > > but I am not
>> > > > > going
>> > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
>> > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
>> > > > > > > > just want to
>> > > > > > > spruik
>> > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
>> > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> > > > > > > he cannot prove.
>> > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
>> > > > > > between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the
>> > > > > > latter who admitted during the debate that a believer is
>> > > > > > susceptible to losing their faith unless they are
>> > > > > > "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
>> > > > > > brainwashed.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > All arguments with all Christians
>> > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
>> > > > > to have faith".
>> > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>> > > > crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
>> > > > when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
>> > > > Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
>> > > > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
>> > > > touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it
>> > > > unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>> > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>> > > mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
>> > > there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
>> > > you.”
>> > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>> >
>> > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>> >
>> > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>> > mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
>> > not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which
>> > he saith shall come to pass;
>> > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>> >
>> > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>> > pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>> >
>> > >
>> > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly
>> > > the tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.
>> > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct
>> > question,
>> > No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But
>> > there is plenty of evidences of V 24.
>>
>> I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but
>> they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
>> unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered
>> and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow
>> there's no diety listening.
>
> I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that
> they do not believe. And in fact there are several people currently
> posting in these NG’s that tell others that God no longer is in the
> business of fulfilling his words. Yet they will pray for healings, and
> ask others to do likewise. Problem is that they are all in the same
> mindset of disbelief. A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
> exercise their faith, and grow from faith works experience to “Faith
> to faith” and this all sums up to being strong in faith and not a
> bunch of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in both the
> old as well as the new testaments.
>
> Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay
> not attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to their
> faith. An that faith does not mean the faith of a religion whether it
> be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterian’s, etc.

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BD4ED91002DA46C30616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:

>
> Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
> see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in those
> days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
>
>

I would love see some proof of that one...

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 09:30:09 +1000
Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote:

> if you believe Noah's Ark really happened or is even possible

If not, you're in denial:

https://arkencounter.com/

Ark Encounter features a full-size Noah’s Ark, built according to the
dimensions given in the Bible. Spanning 510 feet long, 85 feet wide,
and 51 feet high, this modern engineering marvel amazes visitors young
and old.

On 4/20/2024 1:40 PM, Lil-man-ball wrote:
> On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 18:20:57 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> All arguments with all Christians
>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>> to have faith".
>
> All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.
>

This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
description of the physical world given by modern science at least
implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.

Dawn

On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 16:35:01 -0700
Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:

> On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> (in article <20240420125529.0601a454@234567aaa>):
>
> > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 11:38:30 -0700
> > Robert <robert@no.way> wrote:
> >
> > > On Apr 20, 2024, Lil-man-ball wrote
> > > (in article <20240420112023.76a5768d@234567aaa>):
> > >
> > > > On Sat, 20 Apr 2024 13:33:43 +0000
> > > > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Genesis went to great length
> > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > along with people.
> > > >
> > > > You do realize that it was in the animals on the Ark that evil
> > > > was released again unto the descendants of Noah and Ham.
> > > >
> > > > You moron.
> > > >
> > > > https://lifehopeandtruth.com/bible/blog/clean-and-unclean-animals-on-the-ar
> > > > k/
> > > >
> > > > Genesis 7:2
> > > > You shall take with you seven each of every clean animal, a male
> > > > and his female; two each of animals that are unclean, a male and
> > > > his female.
> > > >
> > > > Noah was commanded to take seven pairs (a pair being a male and
> > > > a female) of clean animals and one pair of unclean animals.
> > >
> > > Unclean animals simple means that they were not suitable as a
> > > suitable sacrifice to God.
> > > Also, most of those animals were unfit to eat when not cooked
> > > properly and could cause sickness and or death when not properly
> > > prepared. UnKosher.
> > >
> > > The clean animals were also used as a sacrifice to God for
> > > thanksgiving for their deliverance when the flood subsided, as
> > > well as some for the cleansing of their sins. No unclean animal
> > > was used for those purposes, ever, by Godly people.
> >
> > The spirit of Satan went with the animals unto Ham.
>
> Nope
>
>

Yes.

Satan, the devil was there long before it was built and was in and
around it after it set sail. Of course, The Creator had all power to
protect the Crew of the ship and that His plan had gone the way He had
accorded it. The devil however, at the time knowing that He was no
match for the Creator, he had to sit back and choose when to pounce on
the human elements existing at the time, by way of the human nature
that is so prone to his wicked and sinful way of doing things. As we
later see what happened when Noah got drunk and his son Ham found him
and chose to go an tell his brothers what he saw, making fun od the the
situation and not seek to cover his father's nakedness and not let it
be an issue.

On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>
>> Robert wrote:
>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>
>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in news:v00rh0$3p04n$1
>>>> @dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe in it.
>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking though.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe everything
>>>>>>>>>>> your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking, in the
>>>>>>>>>> "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>>>>>>>>>> arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>> different
>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards the
>>>>>>>> grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are born that
>>>>>>>> the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good, as the
>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now, if the
>>>>>>>> atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the natural view
>>>>>>>> (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there may be
>>>>>>>> more to life than what your natural perception is telling you?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the personality in
>>>>>>>> that new life is just natural? Then how do you get that one-of
>>>>>>>> personality from impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
>>>>>>>> nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is more
>>>> to
>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>> within?
>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they too
>>>> have
>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am not
>>>> going
>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want to
>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who admitted
>>>>> during the debate that a believer is susceptible to losing their faith
>>>>> unless they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
>>>>> brainwashed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dawn
>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>> to have faith".
>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him, crying, and
>>> saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when he was come into the
>>> house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
>>> I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their
>>> eyes, saying, According to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>>
>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’
>> and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>
> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>
> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>
> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be
> thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his
> heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass;
> he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>
> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
> believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>

Robert,

Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.

Dawn

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:45:17 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.

If secularists quit making up 'facts' to justify their wants, faith
would eclipse evil.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:30:47 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BD4ED91002DA46C30616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
>
> >
> > Even the Roman government sent people to Israel and other places to
> > see what made the Christians tick and behave the way they did in
> > those days at the beginning after the resurrection of Christ.
> >
> >
>
> I would love see some proof of that one...

Um...the Crusades!

Ya buttfucking moron.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000
Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:

> April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
> with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
> all over the world pray for his recovery.
> He dies anyway.
>
> Are you saying NONE of those people
> were "believers"?

Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?

On 4/21/2024 11:11 AM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
>> with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
>> all over the world pray for his recovery.
>> He dies anyway.
>>
>> Are you saying NONE of those people
>> were "believers"?
>
> Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?
>

No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example of
what God wills.

Dawn

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:15:58 -0500
Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 4/21/2024 11:11 AM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> >> April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
> >> with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
> >> all over the world pray for his recovery.
> >> He dies anyway.
> >>
> >> Are you saying NONE of those people
> >> were "believers"?
> >
> > Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?
> >
>
> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example
> of what God wills.
>
> Dawn

Gladly:

Sodom & Gomorrah.

Out.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:05:20 -0500
Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

> Faith does not move mountains.
Bullshite!

Matthew 17:20

And He *said to them, “Because of the littleness of your faith; for truly I say to you, if you have faith the size of a mustard seed, you will say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to there,’ and it will move; and nothing will be impossible to you.

Mark 11:23

Truly I say to you, whoever says to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ and does not doubt in his heart, but believes that what he says is going to happen, it will be granted him.

Matthew 21:21

And Jesus answered and said to them, “Truly I say to you, if you have faith and do not doubt, you will not only do what was done to the fig tree, but even if you say to this mountain, ‘Be taken up and cast into the sea,’ it will happen.

Luke 17:6

And the Lord said, “If you had faith like a mustard seed, you would say to this mulberry tree, ‘Be uprooted and be planted in the sea’; and it would obey you.

Mark 11:22

And Jesus *answered saying to them, “Have faith in God.

1 Corinthians 13:2

If I have the gift of prophecy, and know all mysteries and all knowledge; and if I have all faith, so as to remove mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing.

Matthew 8:26

He *said to them, “Why are you afraid, you men of little faith?” Then He got up and rebuked the winds and the sea, and it became perfectly calm.

Source: https://bible.knowing-jesus.com/topics/Faith-Moving-Mountains

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:03:54 -0500
Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

> I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
> afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
> faith is falsifiable.

Only in a transitive sense, you have no proof of next year.

On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 11:03:54 -0500
Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

> > All arguments with secular demons come down to - we have no faith.
> >
>
> This is false.

No.

It is true!

On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
(in article<XnsB15B560F91C10noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):

> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
> news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>
> > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
> >
> > > Robert wrote:
> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
> > > > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
> > > >
> > > > > Robert wrote:
> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> > > > > > (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
> > > > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
> > > > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance
> > > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a person
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > knows about the christian faith, the less
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is you
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > believe everything your told, and don't
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania
> > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking, in the "full of yourself" superficial
> > > > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael,
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
> > > > > > > > > > > > vastly, vastly
> > > > > > > different
> > > > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in almost
> > > > > > > > > > > > innumerably different ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is
> > > > > > > > > > > only an
> > > > > > > appearance
> > > > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching
> > > > > > > > > > > towards the grave is death. Our cells tell you from
> > > > > > > > > > > the moment we are born that the replacing cells are
> > > > > > > > > > > not quite the same, as good, as the
> > > > > > > original.
> > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
> > > > > > > > > > > > "natural".
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
> > > > > > > > > > > does. Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity were
> > > > > > > > > > > true according to the natural view
> > > > > > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate
> > > > > > > > > > > there may be more to life than what your natural
> > > > > > > > > > > perception is telling you?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all the
> > > > > > > > > > > personality in that new life is just natural? Then
> > > > > > > > > > > how do you get that one-of personality from
> > > > > > > > > > > impersonal matter and energy elements and into the
> > > > > > > > > > > nature of billions with personality.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving
> > > > > > > > > > > there is more
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
> > > > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of God
> > > > > > > > > > presence
> > > > > > > within?
> > > > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities too.
> > > > > > > > > > do they too
> > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
> > > > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
> > > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
> > > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
> > > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
> > > > > > > > > along with people.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn,
> > > > > > > > > > > but I am not
> > > > > > > going
> > > > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
> > > > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i
> > > > > > > > > > just want to
> > > > > > > > > spruik
> > > > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
> > > > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
> > > > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
> > > > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
> > > > > > > > > he cannot prove.
> > > > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate
> > > > > > > > between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the
> > > > > > > > latter who admitted during the debate that a believer is
> > > > > > > > susceptible to losing their faith unless they are
> > > > > > > > "grounded", a candid admission that to believe is to be
> > > > > > > > brainwashed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Dawn
> > > > > > > All arguments with all Christians
> > > > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
> > > > > > > to have faith".
> > > > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
> > > > > > crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And
> > > > > > when he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and
> > > > > > Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
> > > > > > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
> > > > > > touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be it
> > > > > > unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
> > > > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
> > > > > mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
> > > > > there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for
> > > > > you.”
> > > > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
> > > >
> > > > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
> > > >
> > > > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
> > > > mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
> > > > not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which
> > > > he saith shall come to pass;
> > > > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
> > > >
> > > > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
> > > > pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but supposedly
> > > > > the tiniest amount of faith would make it possible.
> > > > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your direct
> > > > question,
> > > > No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened. But
> > > > there is plenty of evidences of V 24.
> > >
> > > I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured, but
> > > they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of prayers go
> > > unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation between answered
> > > and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the law of averages. iow
> > > there's no diety listening.
> >
> > I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that
> > they do not believe. And in fact there are several people currently
> > posting in these NG’s that tell others that God no longer is in the
> > business of fulfilling his words. Yet they will pray for healings, and
> > ask others to do likewise. Problem is that they are all in the same
> > mindset of disbelief. A believer is supposed to walk by faith,
> > exercise their faith, and grow from faith works experience to “Faith
> > to faith” and this all sums up to being strong in faith and not a
> > bunch of weaklings. There are many promises for healings in both the
> > old as well as the new testaments.
> >
> > Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay
> > not attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to their
> > faith. An that faith does not mean the faith of a religion whether it
> > be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterian’s, etc.
>
> April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
> with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
> all over the world pray for his recovery.
> He dies anyway.
>
> Are you saying NONE of those people
> were "believers”?

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03dda$cjvt$2@dont-email.me...
> This is false. I have faith that the laws of nature will continue this
> afternoon and into tomorrow & beyond, but unlike religious faith, my
> faith is falsifiable. It is possible that beginning tomorrow that
> apples may start rising up from the ground, but until then, the
> description of the physical world given by modern science at least
> implies "almost surely" that such will *not* happen.
>
> Dawn

The laws of nature all point to the fact that we have a Creator.
Such as the Law of Biogenesis, which says that all life comes
from previous existing life. Never an exception ever. It is a
Law of science.

Then we can get into the Laws of thermo, and the existence of
matter..

"Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me...

> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree,
> name an example of what God wills.
>
> Dawn

It is God's desire and His will for you to
be saved.

"For God sent not his Son into the world
to condemn the world; but that the world
through Him might be saved."

~ Jn 3:17

Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
news:0001HW.2BD58925000450A030E93438F@news.eternal-september.org:

> On Apr 21, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
> (in article<XnsB15B560F91C10noemailcomcastnet@69.80.101.20>):
>
>> Robert <robert@no.way> wrote in
>> news:0001HW.2BD4EB85002D297730616A38F@news.eternal-september.org:
>>
>> > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> > (in article <l8jla0F7ah1U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> >
>> > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> > > > (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>> > > >
>> > > > > Robert wrote:
>> > > > > > On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>> > > > > > (in
>> > > > > > article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>> > > > > > > news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in
>> > > > > > > > > news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1 @mid.individual.net:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Maximus in his grandeur with incredible
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > ignorance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm of the opinion that the more a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >person knows about the christian faith,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >the less
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > likely they are to believe in it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just your narcissism and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > speaking though.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Mego Maximus
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > no observed fact. easy to be christian is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > you believe everything your told, and don't
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > question anything
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > No, that is just your narcissism and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > megalomania speaking, in the "full of
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > yourself" superficial
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > mindbogglingly stupid ignorance and
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Other than that, it is all good.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Michael,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > With a God, I can imagine a universe that is
>> > > > > > > > > > > > vastly, vastly
>> > > > > > > different
>> > > > > > > > > > > > than the one that we are living in now in
>> > > > > > > > > > > > almost innumerably different ways.
>> > > > > > > > > > > Immeasurably.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > This universe is already dead, so obviously. It
>> > > > > > > > > > > is only an
>> > > > > > > appearance
>> > > > > > > > > > > of "living." Death is not just in the grave;
>> > > > > > > > > > > marching towards the grave is death. Our cells
>> > > > > > > > > > > tell you from the moment we are born that the
>> > > > > > > > > > > replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>> > > > > > > > > > > as the
>> > > > > > > original.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > As it is, things seem to me to be far too
>> > > > > > > > > > > > "natural".
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > > > > > > > Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it
>> > > > > > > > > > > does. Now, if the atheist theory of stupidity
>> > > > > > > > > > > were true according to the natural view
>> > > > > > > > > > > (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > When are you ever going to mature enough to
>> > > > > > > > > > > postulate there may be more to life than what
>> > > > > > > > > > > your natural perception is telling you?
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Do you really think that a new born life and all
>> > > > > > > > > > > the personality in that new life is just natural?
>> > > > > > > > > > > Then how do you get that one-of personality from
>> > > > > > > > > > > impersonal matter and energy elements and into
>> > > > > > > > > > > the nature of billions with personality.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Physics will never provide an answer to that,
>> > > > > > > > > > > proving there is more
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > > > life than physics (science).
>> > > > > > > > > > so are you saying personality is from some sort of
>> > > > > > > > > > God presence
>> > > > > > > within?
>> > > > > > > > > > if so what about animals? they have personalities
>> > > > > > > > > > too. do they too
>> > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > > some divine presence within?
>> > > > > > > > > Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>> > > > > > > > > to separate animals from people when it
>> > > > > > > > > comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>> > > > > > > > > about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>> > > > > > > > > along with people.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > Once again, you have me dancing to your tune,
>> > > > > > > > > > > Dawn, but I am not
>> > > > > > > going
>> > > > > > > > > > > to keep doing that forever.
>> > > > > > > > > > translation: I will not engage in rational debate.
>> > > > > > > > > > i just want to
>> > > > > > > > > spruik
>> > > > > > > > > > my gobbledygook
>> > > > > > > > > This is the equivalant of Robert's
>> > > > > > > > > "This conversation is over" whenever you
>> > > > > > > > > catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>> > > > > > > > > he cannot prove.
>> > > > > > > > I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour
>> > > > > > > > debate between Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike
>> > > > > > > > Licona, the latter who admitted during the debate that
>> > > > > > > > a believer is susceptible to losing their faith unless
>> > > > > > > > they are "grounded", a candid admission that to believe
>> > > > > > > > is to be brainwashed.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Dawn
>> > > > > > > All arguments with all Christians
>> > > > > > > eventually boil down to "you just have
>> > > > > > > to have faith".
>> > > > > > “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed
>> > > > > > him, crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on
>> > > > > > us. And when he was come into the house, the blind men came
>> > > > > > to him: and Jesus saith unto them, Believe ye that
>> > > > > > I am able to do this? They said unto him, Yea, Lord. Then
>> > > > > > touched he their eyes, saying, According to your faith be
>> > > > > > it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>> > > > > Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small
>> > > > > as a mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from
>> > > > > here to there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be
>> > > > > impossible for you.”
>> > > > Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>> > > >
>> > > > 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>> > > >
>> > > > 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>> > > > mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and
>> > > > shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those
>> > > > things which he saith shall come to pass;
>> > > > he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>> > > >
>> > > > 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
>> > > > ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>> > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > when has any Christian ever moved any mountain. but
>> > > > > supposedly the tiniest amount of faith would make it
>> > > > > possible.
>> > > > Most have need or reason to exercise V24, but to answer your
>> > > > direct question,
>> > > > No one has a record stating that is has or has not happened.
>> > > > But there is plenty of evidences of V 24.
>> > >
>> > > I know of xtians who have prayed for their cancer to be cured,
>> > > but they still died. the whole Church was praying too. lots of
>> > > prayers go unanswered. one might even suggest the correlation
>> > > between answered and unanswered prayer is commensurate with the
>> > > law of averages. iow there's no diety listening.
>> >
>> > I know of many that have had the same results. The problem is that
>> > they do not believe. And in fact there are several people currently
>> > posting in these NG’s that tell others that God no longer is in
>> > the business of fulfilling his words. Yet they will pray for
>> > healings, and ask others to do likewise. Problem is that they are
>> > all in the same mindset of disbelief. A believer is supposed to
>> > walk by faith, exercise their faith, and grow from faith works
>> > experience to “Faith to faith” and this all sums up to being
>> > strong in faith and not a bunch of weaklings. There are many
>> > promises for healings in both the old as well as the new
>> > testaments.
>> >
>> > Like you they read the verses above with disbelief, or the just pay
>> > not attention to them. So then, they all do receive according to
>> > their faith. An that faith does not mean the faith of a religion
>> > whether it be Baptist, RCC, GO, Presbyterian’s, etc.
>>
>> April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
>> with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
>> all over the world pray for his recovery.
>> He dies anyway.
>>
>> Are you saying NONE of those people
>> were "believers”?
>
> Read what I wrote, it contains the answer to your question.
>
>

Dawn Flood <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
news:v03dg0$cjvt$3@dont-email.me:

> On 4/20/2024 10:36 PM, Robert wrote:
>> On Apr 20, 2024, Maximus wrote
>> (in article <l8j1t3F4k36U1@mid.individual.net>):
>>
>>> Robert wrote:
>>>> On Apr 20, 2024, Mitchell Holman wrote
>>>> (in article<XnsB15A87CE5C25Cnoemailcomcastnet@69.80.102.18>):
>>>>
>>>>> Dawn Flood<Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>>> news:v00rh0$3p04n$1 @dont-email.me:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 4/20/2024 8:33 AM, Mitchell Holman wrote:
>>>>>>> Maximus <gladiator@colosseum.rome> wrote in news:l8hd7gFrgdaU1
>>>>>>> @mid.individual.net:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 13/04/2024 3:53 pm, Dawn Flood wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/12/2024 8:33 PM, Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Maximus in his grandeur with incredible ignorance wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm of the opinion that the more a person knows about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the christian faith, the less likely they are to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in it.
>>>>>>>>>>> Phil seeing the "observed fact," wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just your narcissism and megalomania speaking
>>>>>>>>>>>>> though.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Mego Maximus
>>>>>>>>>>>> no observed fact. easy to be christian is you believe
>>>>>>>>>>>> everything your told, and don't question anything
>>>>>>>>>>> No, that is just your narcissism and megalomania speaking,
>>>>>>>>>>> in the "full of yourself" superficial mindbogglingly stupid
>>>>>>>>>>> ignorance and arrogance, Moronimus Maximus.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Other than that, it is all good.
>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> With a God, I can imagine a universe that is vastly, vastly
>>>>> different
>>>>>>>>>> than the one that we are living in now in almost innumerably
>>>>>>>>>> different ways.
>>>>>>>>> Immeasurably.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This universe is already dead, so obviously. It is only an
>>>>> appearance
>>>>>>>>> of "living." Death is not just in the grave; marching towards
>>>>>>>>> the grave is death. Our cells tell you from the moment we are
>>>>>>>>> born that the replacing cells are not quite the same, as good,
>>>>>>>>> as the
>>>>> original.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As it is, things seem to me to be far too "natural".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>>>>>> Do you know why life appears to go on? Because it does. Now,
>>>>>>>>> if the atheist theory of stupidity were true according to the
>>>>>>>>> natural view (truth), we wouldn't even have such a thought.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When are you ever going to mature enough to postulate there
>>>>>>>>> may be more to life than what your natural perception is
>>>>>>>>> telling you?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Do you really think that a new born life and all the
>>>>>>>>> personality in that new life is just natural? Then how do you
>>>>>>>>> get that one-of personality from impersonal matter and energy
>>>>>>>>> elements and into the nature of billions with personality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Physics will never provide an answer to that, proving there is
>>>>>>>>> more
>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> life than physics (science).
>>>>>>>> so are you saying personality is from some sort of God presence
>>>>> within?
>>>>>>>> if so what about animals? they have personalities too. do they
>>>>>>>> too
>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> some divine presence within?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bingo. Genesis went to great length
>>>>>>> to separate animals from people when it
>>>>>>> comes to divinity yet when God was angry
>>>>>>> about "corruption" he drowned the animals
>>>>>>> along with people.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Once again, you have me dancing to your tune, Dawn, but I am
>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>> going
>>>>>>>>> to keep doing that forever.
>>>>>>>> translation: I will not engage in rational debate. i just want
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> spruik
>>>>>>>> my gobbledygook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is the equivalant of Robert's
>>>>>>> "This conversation is over" whenever you
>>>>>>> catch him in a contradiction or a claim
>>>>>>> he cannot prove.
>>>>>> I hope that you are able to listen to that 7-hour debate between
>>>>>> Professor Bart Ehrman and Dr. Mike Licona, the latter who
>>>>>> admitted during the debate that a believer is susceptible to
>>>>>> losing their faith unless they are "grounded", a candid admission
>>>>>> that to believe is to be brainwashed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dawn
>>>>> All arguments with all Christians
>>>>> eventually boil down to "you just have
>>>>> to have faith".
>>>> “And when Jesus departed thence, two blind men followed him,
>>>> crying, and saying, Thou Son of David, have mercy on us. And when
>>>> he was come into the house, the blind men came to him: and Jesus
>>>> saith unto them, Believe ye that I am able to do this? They said
>>>> unto him, Yea, Lord. Then touched he their eyes, saying, According
>>>> to your faith be it unto you.” (Mat 9:27-29, KJV)
>>>
>>> Matthew 17:20: "Truly I tell you, if you have faith as small as a
>>> mustard seed, you can say to this mountain, ‘Move from here to
>>> there,’ and it will move. Nothing will be impossible for you.”
>>
>> Mark 11:22-24(KJV)
>>
>> 22And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.
>>
>> 23For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this
>> mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall
>> not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he
>> saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.
>>
>> 24Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye
>> pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.
>>
>
> Robert,
>
> Faith does not move mountains. Dynamite & bulldozers move mountains.
>
> Dawn
>
>

"Science flies you to the moon.
Faith flies you into buildings"

- recently spotted bumper sticker -

On Apr 21, 2024, Dawn Flood wrote
(in article <v03e3t$cjvt$4@dont-email.me>):

> On 4/21/2024 11:11 AM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 13:27:32 +0000
> > Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
> >
> > > April 2005: Pope John Paul II falls ill
> > > with a kidney infection. BILLIONS of people
> > > all over the world pray for his recovery.
> > > He dies anyway.
> > >
> > > Are you saying NONE of those people
> > > were "believers"?
> >
> > Are you saying their beliefs eclipse God's will?
>
> No one can agree upon "God's will"; if you disagree, name an example of
> what God wills.
>
> Dawn

Mat 6:14For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will
also forgive you:

Mat 6:15But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father
forgive your trespasses.
***********
Mat 8:2And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if
thou wilt, thou canst make me clean.

Mat 8:3And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou
clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed.
********
Mat 8:5And when Jesus was entered into Capernaum, there came unto him a
centurion, beseeching him,

Mat 8:6And saying, Lord, my servant lieth at home sick of the palsy,
grievously tormented.

Mat 8:7And Jesus saith unto him, I will come and heal him.
**********
Luk 12:28If then God so clothe the grass, which is to day in the field, and
to morrow is cast into the oven; how much more will he clothe you, O ye of
little faith?
********* Jhn 6:51I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any
man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give
is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

There is lots more where that came from. :)

"Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in news:20240421100727.066cd589@
234567aaa:

> On Sun, 21 Apr 2024 01:45:17 +0000
> Mitchell Holman <dalmationstation@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> If Christians had facts they wouldn't need faith.
>
> If secularists quit making up 'facts' to justify their wants, faith
> would eclipse evil.
>
>

Modern Christian: Someone who rejects
faith healing and demands latest advances
from "secularist facts" whenever THEY get
sick.