On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 7:01:00 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> In person day of election voting with voter ID is all that should be allowed EXCEPT for those who register and specifically ask for mail-in ballots and they must be received no later than day-of election. No late ballots accepted.
>

???????? When I pay my Visa bill, and my internet bill, and my electric bill, and my water bill, and my property taxes bill, all of them are considered ON TIME and accepted if my envelope with the check inside has a postmark matching the due date for the bill. Mailed on the due date, NOT received by the payee on the due date. So Tommy you are saying that the accepted functioning of CAPITALISM should be illegal in voting?

> That is an acceptable system of election. Mass mailings were used by the Democrats clearly for election fraud.
>
> Internet voting should never be accepted because if hackers can hack into every ultra secure government system and even BANKS! there's no way that elections could be secure enough. We have seen what occurs when you trust the honesty of the other side.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:42:17 +0100, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>> wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>
>>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>>
>>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>>> receiving.
>>
>> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>> 2.0.
>
>What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>polling, the school buildings are available).
>
>I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>
>Rolf

Well, when I was growing up in a small New England town we didn't have
polling places for town elections. The "Selectman" who acted as head
of the town's "government" was elected at the Town Meeting by people
standing on "his" side of the hall where the town meeting was held.

And never a claim about voter suppression (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:25:52 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:46:14 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
> >
> > You are so unbelievably stupid.
> > https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
> >
> > "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night. "
> >
> > Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
> >
> > LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
> Tell us flunky, what military service were you in? Your vast Google knowledge like your act alike fat Johnny have an entire actual knowledge of NOTHING. So read your Google and pretend to everyone that you know something. I was in the Air Force then and I know that the "bombing" of North Vietnam was completely confined to antimissile sites on the North Vietnam border.

So Tommy boy says all the bombing during the Vietnam war was on antimissile sites. The US never bombed the Ho Chi Minh trail? Never bombed suspected troop sites in the jungle? Wow. I guess the US got moral by the time Vietnam came along. I don't recall of know who or what we bombed in Korea. But during WW2 we bombed enemy troops everywhere we found them. Not just antimissile sites. No missiles in WW2 so it would have been artillery sites instead of antimissile sites. And in WW2 we bombed Nuremberg. Burned that town to the ground. Almost all civilians living there. And in the Pacific we burned Tokyo to the ground too. And dropped atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. They weren't antimissile sites or even military sites. Just civilians living there. Its good to know the Army and Air Force and US military was so moral when Tommy boy was in service protecting America.

Hanoi and Haiphong are in the very NORTH of Vietnam.
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/nixon-announces-start-of-christmas-bombing-of-north-vietnam

Tommy Tommy liar liar pants on fire. I'm really not sure if Tommy really intends to lie so much. I think it is just how his limited mind works.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:18:39 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> >
> > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> > good idea for America.
> >
> > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> > to let the government track our movements.
> >
> >
> >
> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>
> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>
> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Totalitarian national ID. I have a social security number. I'm guessing you do too. And all your employees have SSN and you make them give you that number when you hire them and use it to send taxes to the federal and state governments. You are allowed to deduct the wages for these SSN when you file your taxes to be paid to the governments. Reduces your taxes by claiming valid expenses. So you may not be too against this government ID. Yet having a Federal National ID is bad? Evil? Totalitarian?

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:34:01 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>> > wrote:
>> >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >
>> >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>> >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>> >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>> >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>> >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>> >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>> >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>> >>
>> >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>> >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>> >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>> >> receiving.
>> >
>> > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>> > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>> > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>> > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>> > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>> > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>> > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>> > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>> > 2.0.
>> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>> polling, the school buildings are available).
>>
>> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>
>This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. And yet California has made a virtual habit of closing all but single central sites and eliminating the actual vote counting machines (which contrary to some sources were not connected to the Internet or prone to hacking) and putting the ballots into suitcases to be counted well out of sight of the electorate.

Well Tommy, you talk about "to be counted well out of sight of the
electorate". Can you show us any regulation or law that requires votes
to be counted while "in sight" of the electorate?

Or is this just another one of "Crazy Old Tom's delusions"?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> You can't make it through a single day without some blatantly racist comments can you? Do you also believe that the "Jews" are still trying to take over the world? Your unshakeable belief that blacks and Hispanics and Asians aren't smart enough to cash their own paychecks without you holding their hand and showing them how shows your charter membership to the Democrat Party. Rather than coming out and using politically incorrect term you label them as "poor"
>
> By the way poor people overwhelmingly elected Trump https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
>

No Tommy. Uneducated people, people without an education, people who never attended or graduated from college, "elected" Trump. I apostrophe "elected" because a much higher number of Americans elected Hillary Clinton president than Trump. But because the USA is a federation, not a democracy, the dispersion of those fewer votes allowed Trump to claim the presidency for four years. And yes in the USA there is a high correlation between education and income. So poor generally equates to uneducated.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 08:54:47 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>> > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>> > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>> > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>> > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>> > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>> > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>> > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>> > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>> > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>> > > >> receiving.
>> > > >
>> > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>> > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>> > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>> > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>> > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>> > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>> > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>> > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>> > > > 2.0.
>> > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>> > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>> > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>> > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>> > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>> > > polling, the school buildings are available).
>> > >
>> > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>> > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>> > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
>> The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.
>
>I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.
>
>5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
>5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
>5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
>5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.
>
>Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:

Err.... Tommy! While you don't specify where you read the articles you
posted above a search of similar statements seems to show that you
copied them from a site called "The National Academies of Sciences,
Engineering, and Medicine" which, I might add, in spite of their fancy
name, are not a member of the U.S. government and have no legal
position whatsoever.

So, once again Crazy Old Tommy posts something that he imagines is
applicable... but isn't.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/25/2022 4:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:42:17 +0100, Rolf Mantel
> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>>>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>>>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>>>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>>>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>>>> receiving.
>>>
>>> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>>> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>>> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>>> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>>> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>>> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>>> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>>> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>>> 2.0.
>>
>> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>> polling, the school buildings are available).
>>
>> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>>
>> Rolf
>
> Well, when I was growing up in a small New England town we didn't have
> polling places for town elections. The "Selectman" who acted as head
> of the town's "government" was elected at the Town Meeting by people
> standing on "his" side of the hall where the town meeting was held.
>
> And never a claim about voter suppression (:-)
>

Third party screaming declarations aside, we don't have
people filing suit in the Federal or State courts alleging
'voter suppression' here either.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/25/2022 5:32 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> You can't make it through a single day without some blatantly racist comments can you? Do you also believe that the "Jews" are still trying to take over the world? Your unshakeable belief that blacks and Hispanics and Asians aren't smart enough to cash their own paychecks without you holding their hand and showing them how shows your charter membership to the Democrat Party. Rather than coming out and using politically incorrect term you label them as "poor"
>>
>> By the way poor people overwhelmingly elected Trump https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
>>
>
> No Tommy. Uneducated people, people without an education, people who never attended or graduated from college, "elected" Trump. I apostrophe "elected" because a much higher number of Americans elected Hillary Clinton president than Trump. But because the USA is a federation, not a democracy, the dispersion of those fewer votes allowed Trump to claim the presidency for four years. And yes in the USA there is a high correlation between education and income. So poor generally equates to uneducated.
>

Now there's a lame argument.

Like claiming the team with the most hits (not runs) oughta
win the Series.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:36:56 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> I can't overlook that racist crap right here on RBT. You
> should know better. What exactly about a man's skin color
> keeps him from functioning in civil society as any other
> American? My son in law manages, and he's naturalized.
> Christ give it a rest already. Racism reflects poorly on you.
>
> Under five minutes with actual Americans:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
>
> Besides, facts ought to matter:
> https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/record-high-turnout-in-2020-general-election.html
>
> And a lot of your preconceived racist ideas run smack into
> facts:
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls
>

Andy, I presume you read the link you posted? Right under the title it says "With disinformation and economic promises, Trump lobbied hard for the Black vote in the final days of the campaign." Disinformation means LIES to me. So Trump lied to blacks to get their votes. Not too surprising. For any politician I suppose. The article also has the following quotes:
"One of the surprises in the election is that President Donald Trump actually improved his standing with Black voters over four years ago.
According to AP VoteCast, Trump won 8 percent of the Black vote, about a 2 percentage-point gain on his 2016 numbers"
So Trump improved by 33% amongst black voters. Big gains. Google says 14.2% of the US population is black. Assuming there are 330 million people in the USA, that means about 46,860,000 blacks in the USA. I'm not sure how many are registered voters. Trump gained 2%. Lets pretend half of all blacks voted? Is that a good presumption? So he gained about 450,000 more black votes than he did in 2016. Wikipedia says 136 million voted in 2016. 159 million voted in 2020. 23 million extra voters. Biden won with 7 million more votes in 2020 than Trump.

Your link above about Trump and the black vote is kind of like a bum on the street finding a $1 bill. He DOUBLED, 100% GAIN on his net worth.

> As I mentioned here recently, the 14th Amendment proscribes
> States from statutorily violating individual civil rights.
> Which is a good thing. And effective enforcement of that has
> broken the democrat party's hold on the South.
>
> I also lived and worked in the South. Nothing bad to say
> about it. My experience may be different from yours in that
> I was a minority at my workplace.
>
> OK, I have one complaint; you can't get grits with breakfast
> in Wisconsin. Plate always seems bare...
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:30:42 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:53:48 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
> >On 1/24/2022 4:44 PM, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:08:39 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
> >>>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
> >>>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
> >>>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
> >>>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
> >>>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
> >>>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
> >>>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
> >>>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
> >>>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
> >>>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
> >>>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
> >>>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
> >>>>>>>>> pathetic:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
> >>>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
> >>>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
> >>>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
> >>>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
> >>>>>>>>> to the instant case.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud.
> >>>>>>>> Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even
> >>>>>>>> Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious
> >>>>>>>> fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the
> >>>>>>>> election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election,
> >>>>>>>> civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is
> >>>>>>>> willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the
> >>>>>>>> elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal
> >>>>>>>> aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line.
> >>>>>>>> They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to
> >>>>>>>> vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
> >>>>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they
> >>>>>>>> couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in
> >>>>>>>> English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
> >>>>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost
> >>>>>>>> hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six
> >>>>>>>> page ballot.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the
> >>>>>>>> vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to
> >>>>>>>> drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT
> >>>>>>>> counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only
> >>>>>>>> what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by
> >>>>>>>> Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
> >>>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
> >>>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
> >>>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
> >>>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
> >>>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> How do you stand it?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting..html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
> >>>>> country.... isn't it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID ...
> >>>
> >>> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to their citizens
> >>> by the governments of all European Economic Area (EEA) member states
> >>> except Denmark, Iceland and Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport
> >>> card which is a valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> >>>
> >>> First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a good idea
> >>> for America.
> >>>
> >>> Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say, from the
> >>> people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse to let the
> >>> government track our movements.
> >>
> >> Right, it impedes your vaunted "freedoms"... well except that I read
> >> some years ago about California issuing driver's licenses to illegal
> >> immigrants for use as an I.D. card.
> >>
> >
> >The huge numbers of crash and run in LA wasn't enough mayhem:
> >
> >https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/noncitizen-voting-rights-nyc..html
> If the U.S. is going to emulate the governmental system used by a very
> ancient country, that no longer exists, than it should go ahead and do
> it. The Athenians system ignored slaves, freed slaves, children, women
> and metics (foreign residents in Athens) and allowed only adult males
> who had completed their military training and maintained their war
> equipment and had paid their taxes to participate in the government.
>

On 1/25/2022 5:58 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:36:56 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> I can't overlook that racist crap right here on RBT. You
>> should know better. What exactly about a man's skin color
>> keeps him from functioning in civil society as any other
>> American? My son in law manages, and he's naturalized.
>> Christ give it a rest already. Racism reflects poorly on you.
>>
>> Under five minutes with actual Americans:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs
>>
>> Besides, facts ought to matter:
>> https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/record-high-turnout-in-2020-general-election.html
>>
>> And a lot of your preconceived racist ideas run smack into
>> facts:
>>
>> https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls
>>
>
> Andy, I presume you read the link you posted? Right under the title it says "With disinformation and economic promises, Trump lobbied hard for the Black vote in the final days of the campaign." Disinformation means LIES to me. So Trump lied to blacks to get their votes. Not too surprising. For any politician I suppose. The article also has the following quotes:
> "One of the surprises in the election is that President Donald Trump actually improved his standing with Black voters over four years ago.
> According to AP VoteCast, Trump won 8 percent of the Black vote, about a 2 percentage-point gain on his 2016 numbers"
> So Trump improved by 33% amongst black voters. Big gains. Google says 14.2% of the US population is black. Assuming there are 330 million people in the USA, that means about 46,860,000 blacks in the USA. I'm not sure how many are registered voters. Trump gained 2%. Lets pretend half of all blacks voted? Is that a good presumption? So he gained about 450,000 more black votes than he did in 2016. Wikipedia says 136 million voted in 2016. 159 million voted in 2020. 23 million extra voters. Biden won with 7 million more votes in 2020 than Trump.
>
> Your link above about Trump and the black vote is kind of like a bum on the street finding a $1 bill. He DOUBLED, 100% GAIN on his net worth.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> As I mentioned here recently, the 14th Amendment proscribes
>> States from statutorily violating individual civil rights.
>> Which is a good thing. And effective enforcement of that has
>> broken the democrat party's hold on the South.
>>
>> I also lived and worked in the South. Nothing bad to say
>> about it. My experience may be different from yours in that
>> I was a minority at my workplace.
>>
>> OK, I have one complaint; you can't get grits with breakfast
>> in Wisconsin. Plate always seems bare...

Vox is a left wing source, as unfavorable language as
possible, which you note. Comment aside, Mr Trump's numbers
went up.

If the prior Administration was so economically inept,
unfair and racist, why did his numbers improve?

He also improved with so-called Hispanic and not only Cubans:
https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-election

Did you notice the fervid Vietnamese support at Trump
rallies? I did:
https://www.vox.com/first-person/2020/10/30/21540263/vietnamese-american-support-trump-2020

Not trying to argue the last election.

I only wonder if things were so horrible for 'disadvanted'
groups, why did his numbers go up?
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:51:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> For egregious there's always Milwaukee County:
>
> https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-voting-milwaukee-virus-outbreak-election-2020-a30427f7dbda4dfaa06d961e50f90561
>
> Last minute closure of 182 out of 187 polling places. Wonder
> if that affected turnout? Just another mystery.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

But Andy, your link above was for April 2020 primary voting. Primary voting determines which candidate gets on the general election ballot. The REAL election. And it happened during the early, unknown stages of the Covid infection in April 2020. The story clearly states that all the sites were closed down due to that virus.

I would not equate this to Republican legislatures and Republican governors passing laws specifically targeted at black voters in Democrat counties. If a school building that was going to be used for voting was destroyed by a tornado the night before, is that voter suppression?

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:51:12 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/25/2022 10:34 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>>> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>>>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>>>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>>>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>>>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>>>>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>>>>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>>>>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>>>>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>>>>> receiving.
>>>>
>>>> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>>>> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>>>> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>>>> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>>>> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>>>> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>>>> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>>>> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>>>> 2.0.
>>> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>>> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>>> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>>> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>>> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>>> polling, the school buildings are available).
>>>
>>> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>>> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>>
>> This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. And yet California has made a virtual habit of closing all but single central sites and eliminating the actual vote counting machines (which contrary to some sources were not connected to the Internet or prone to hacking) and putting the ballots into suitcases to be counted well out of sight of the electorate.
>>
>
>For egregious there's always Milwaukee County:
>
>https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-voting-milwaukee-virus-outbreak-election-2020-a30427f7dbda4dfaa06d961e50f90561
>
>Last minute closure of 182 out of 187 polling places. Wonder
>if that affected turnout? Just another mystery.

Well the report estimated that it reduced the turn out of non-Black
voters by less then 10% and of Black voters by less then 10% and that
fear of Covert may have reduced voter turn out by as much as 5.7% more
and (WOW) over all the turn out was some 32%, apparently of all
eligible voters.

But the report doesn't specify whether the percentages of decrease was
based on the numbers of all eligible voters or an estimated percentage
of the numbers that usually vote.

The actual numbers quoted was an estimated reduction of 8.5% in
non-blacks and fear would cause another 1.4% decrease for a total
estimated drop of 9.9%. In Black's the numbers were an estimated 10.2
decrease and an additional 5.7% due to fear.

But.
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/01/28/turnout-soared-in-2020-as-nearly-two-thirds-of-eligible-u-s-voters-cast-ballots-for-president/
"Turnout soared in 2020 as nearly two-thirds of eligible U.S. voters
cast ballots for president"

Apparently if 60-odd percent of the eligible voters actually vote it
is something to leap up and down and clap your hands about then is the
32% that actually turned out in Wisconsin simply an example of the
usual voter apathy?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 5:32 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> You can't make it through a single day without some blatantly racist comments can you? Do you also believe that the "Jews" are still trying to take over the world? Your unshakeable belief that blacks and Hispanics and Asians aren't smart enough to cash their own paychecks without you holding their hand and showing them how shows your charter membership to the Democrat Party. Rather than coming out and using politically incorrect term you label them as "poor"
> >>
> >> By the way poor people overwhelmingly elected Trump https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
> >>
> >
> > No Tommy. Uneducated people, people without an education, people who never attended or graduated from college, "elected" Trump. I apostrophe "elected" because a much higher number of Americans elected Hillary Clinton president than Trump. But because the USA is a federation, not a democracy, the dispersion of those fewer votes allowed Trump to claim the presidency for four years. And yes in the USA there is a high correlation between education and income. So poor generally equates to uneducated.
> >
> Now there's a lame argument.
>

Not sure what is lame about it. Uneducated people elected Trump for president. Or more correctly, the correct dispersion of those uneducated voters in our republic with its electoral college system, elected Trump president. Education and poorness, poverty are highly correlated. One could easily say they are direct cause and effect. Not correlation.

> Like claiming the team with the most hits (not runs) oughta
> win the Series.

Just to add a little correction to your analogy. It is not the team with the most hits or runs who wins the World Series. The Series is very similar to how the USA elects presidents and runs its electoral college system for electing the president. And assigns number of representatives to the House and Senate. If a team goes 1-0 in game 1, then 0-10 in game 2, then 1-0 in game 3, then 0-10 in game 4, then 1-0 in game 5, then 0-10 in game 6, then 1-0 in game 7, then the team that only scored a total of 4 runs in the whole Series is the champion. Not the team that scored 30 runs total. And that is exactly what happened to Bush 2 and Gore in 2000 and Hillary and Trump in 2016. More Americans voted for their opponents than voted for them. But the USA is not a democracy.

> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 11:08:59 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> > > > > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>> > > > > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>> > > > > > > wrote:
>> > > > > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > > > > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>> > > > > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>> > > > > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>> > > > > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>> > > > > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>> > > > > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>> > > > > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>> > > > > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>> > > > > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>> > > > > > >> receiving.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>> > > > > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>> > > > > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>> > > > > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>> > > > > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>> > > > > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>> > > > > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>> > > > > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>> > > > > > > 2.0.
>> > > > > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>> > > > > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>> > > > > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>> > > > > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>> > > > > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>> > > > > > polling, the school buildings are available).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>> > > > > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>> > > > > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
>> > > > The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.
>> > > I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.
>> > DHS has no oversight authority over state policies for mail-in ballots, you stupid ignorant lying little twit.
>> > > 5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
>> > > 5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
>> > > 5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
>> > > 5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.
>> > >
>> > > Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:
>> > Cybersecurity policies have absolutely nothing to do with polling location access, you stupid ignorant lying little twit. You wrote "This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. " then you post some completely unrelated verbiage from DHS about cybersecurity.
>> >
>> > Shut the fuck up you ignorant baboon.
>> Gee, it must really hurt you to be proven wrong time after time after time. Perhaps you can cry into your pillow so that fewer people notice it.
>
> I wouldn't know tommy, constantly being proven wrong is your shtick. Just to prove the point, DHS cyber security policies have nothing to do with state laws regarding mail-in ballots and polling place accessibility. If you think DHS does have authority in those areas, post the federal laws stating such. You posted verbiage about cyber security, not polling place access or mail in ballots. Gawd you're fucking stupid. shut the fuck up.

Now, Now. Don't be cruel. Tommy's shortcomings appear to be the
results of his falling off his bicycle and "busting his head" and the
results. And as he often forgets to take his medicines it's not really
him that is talking it is the Dementia.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 13:30:02 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:40:28 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Part of the exercises was to
>>> reduce my vocabulary to the level of a 10(?) year old. By the time I
>>> wrote the manual, the vocabulary reduction exercises were a long
>>> forgotten nightmare.
>
>>That's too bad, something like that might help with trying to get tommy understand things....
>
>It won't help Tom. He probably knows a substantial number of words,
>probably 30,000 or more, many of which are technical:
><http://testyourvocab.com/blog/2011-07-25-New-results-for-native-speakers>
>Where he has problems is understanding what they mean (definition) and
>how the device works and is used. In other words, a reading
>comprehension problem. Reducing my vocabulary isn't going to help him
>understand how the world works.

But of course reducing your vocabulary will help. Try it, "You "are"
"Crazy". See? An apt explanation and easily understood by nearly every
one.

(apt - mentally quick and resourceful )
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 14:09:38 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:30:09 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:40:28 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Part of the exercises was to
>> >> reduce my vocabulary to the level of a 10(?) year old. By the time I
>> >> wrote the manual, the vocabulary reduction exercises were a long
>> >> forgotten nightmare.
>>
>> >That's too bad, something like that might help with trying to get tommy understand things....
>> It won't help Tom. He probably knows a substantial number of words,
>> probably 30,000 or more, many of which are technical:
>> <http://testyourvocab.com/blog/2011-07-25-New-results-for-native-speakers>
>> Where he has problems is understanding what they mean (definition) and
>> how the device works and is used. In other words, a reading
>> comprehension problem. Reducing my vocabulary isn't going to help him
>> understand how the world works.
>> --
>
>True, he _has_ been known to post the occasional lucid message...factually incorrect messages, but lucid nonetheless.

Well, no one is perfect and even Tommy occasionally errs in being
correct. (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/25/2022 6:27 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:51:19 AM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> For egregious there's always Milwaukee County:
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-voting-milwaukee-virus-outbreak-election-2020-a30427f7dbda4dfaa06d961e50f90561
>>
>> Last minute closure of 182 out of 187 polling places. Wonder
>> if that affected turnout? Just another mystery.
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> But Andy, your link above was for April 2020 primary voting. Primary voting determines which candidate gets on the general election ballot. The REAL election. And it happened during the early, unknown stages of the Covid infection in April 2020. The story clearly states that all the sites were closed down due to that virus.
>
> I would not equate this to Republican legislatures and Republican governors passing laws specifically targeted at black voters in Democrat counties. If a school building that was going to be used for voting was destroyed by a tornado the night before, is that voter suppression?
>

Brennan Center left enough for you?

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/did-consolidating-polling-places-milwaukee-depress-turnout

"Polling place closures did reduce turnout in the 2020
primary election. The table above indicates that turnout in
Milwaukee City was depressed by roughly 8.6 percentage
points. Considering that 26 percent of our control voters
cast a ballot, this implies that polling place closures in
the city reduced turnout by a third.

Of particular note, we found that this effect was larger for
Black voters. Although polling place consolidation decreased
turnout among non-Black voters by around 8.5 percentage
points, it reduced turnout among Black voters by 10.2
percentage points."

On to the November 2020 general election:
https://www.channel3000.com/most-polling-sites-in-wisconsin-will-be-open-nov-3-but-a-few-gaps-remain/

" “I think it is a form of voter suppression. I really do,”
said Zielinski, who already has submitted her absentee
ballot, but worries about how the move will affect her
neighbors in the city of about 18,000 south of Milwaukee."

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/25/2022 6:46 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 5:49:01 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/25/2022 5:32 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:57:14 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> You can't make it through a single day without some blatantly racist comments can you? Do you also believe that the "Jews" are still trying to take over the world? Your unshakeable belief that blacks and Hispanics and Asians aren't smart enough to cash their own paychecks without you holding their hand and showing them how shows your charter membership to the Democrat Party. Rather than coming out and using politically incorrect term you label them as "poor"
>>>>
>>>> By the way poor people overwhelmingly elected Trump https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/
>>>>
>>>
>>> No Tommy. Uneducated people, people without an education, people who never attended or graduated from college, "elected" Trump. I apostrophe "elected" because a much higher number of Americans elected Hillary Clinton president than Trump. But because the USA is a federation, not a democracy, the dispersion of those fewer votes allowed Trump to claim the presidency for four years. And yes in the USA there is a high correlation between education and income. So poor generally equates to uneducated.
>>>
>> Now there's a lame argument.
>>
>
> Not sure what is lame about it. Uneducated people elected Trump for president. Or more correctly, the correct dispersion of those uneducated voters in our republic with its electoral college system, elected Trump president. Education and poorness, poverty are highly correlated. One could easily say they are direct cause and effect. Not correlation.
>
>
>
>
>> Like claiming the team with the most hits (not runs) oughta
>> win the Series.
>
> Just to add a little correction to your analogy. It is not the team with the most hits or runs who wins the World Series. The Series is very similar to how the USA elects presidents and runs its electoral college system for electing the president. And assigns number of representatives to the House and Senate. If a team goes 1-0 in game 1, then 0-10 in game 2, then 1-0 in game 3, then 0-10 in game 4, then 1-0 in game 5, then 0-10 in game 6, then 1-0 in game 7, then the team that only scored a total of 4 runs in the whole Series is the champion. Not the team that scored 30 runs total. And that is exactly what happened to Bush 2 and Gore in 2000 and Hillary and Trump in 2016. More Americans voted for their opponents than voted for them. But the USA is not a democracy.
>

We agree. There are set rules; total hits in seven games is
not the Series rule.

And you're exactly right. Two wolves and a sheep voting on
the lunch menu is not a always a desirable situation. Which
is why we are a constitutional republic. Check out the
framers' voluminous comments and debate in writing it.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/25/2022 2:51 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> ... When it came time to produce a manual, I
> was volunteered. Nobody in the company had written a military grade
> technical manual. I was told "do what you can, and we'll fix it
> later". So, I took the problem home and furiously produced content
> and a little structure in about 3 days. I thought it was quite good,
> until my boss casually mentioned that there was nothing on how to turn
> the radio on or off. It went downhill from there. My theory of
> operation was suitable for experienced engineers and my operating
> instructions made far too many assumptions. ...

As I mentioned, I have tons of experience writing for student
consumption. It can be really tricky to strip away all assumptions and
present complicated steps to someone much less familiar with a device's
operation.

And I'll note that the problem is even more evident with modern
software-based technology. Computer techs are notorious for showing
people "Just do this! Click here, click that menu, choose 'settings' and
pick 'configure' then..." all at lightning speed. The confused person
looking at the screen can't keep up.

It's even worse when the tech support guy is on the phone and says "Look
at the button at top right" and the person seeking help says "There is
no button at top right," perhaps because their software versions are
different, or perhaps because the tech forgot to tell about a crucial
step that was obvious to him.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 17:46:31 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/25/2022 4:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:42:17 +0100, Rolf Mantel
>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>>>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>>>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>>>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>>>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>>>>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>>>>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>>>>
>>>>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>>>>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>>>>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>>>>> receiving.
>>>>
>>>> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>>>> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>>>> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>>>> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>>>> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>>>> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>>>> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>>>> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>>>> 2.0.
>>>
>>> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>>> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>>> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>>> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>>> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>>> polling, the school buildings are available).
>>>
>>> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>>> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>
>> Well, when I was growing up in a small New England town we didn't have
>> polling places for town elections. The "Selectman" who acted as head
>> of the town's "government" was elected at the Town Meeting by people
>> standing on "his" side of the hall where the town meeting was held.
>>
>> And never a claim about voter suppression (:-)
>>
>
>Third party screaming declarations aside, we don't have
>people filing suit in the Federal or State courts alleging
>'voter suppression' here either.

I was replying to the chap, above, who used the term.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 16:11:28 -0800 (PST), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:30:42 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:53:48 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>> >On 1/24/2022 4:44 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:08:39 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> >>>>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>> >>>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>> >>>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>> >>>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>> >>>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>> >>>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>> >>>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>> >>>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>> >>>>>>>>> pathetic:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>> >>>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>> >>>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>> >>>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>> >>>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>> >>>>>>>>> to the instant case.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud.
>> >>>>>>>> Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even
>> >>>>>>>> Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious
>> >>>>>>>> fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the
>> >>>>>>>> election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election,
>> >>>>>>>> civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is
>> >>>>>>>> willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the
>> >>>>>>>> elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal
>> >>>>>>>> aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line.
>> >>>>>>>> They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to
>> >>>>>>>> vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
>> >>>>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they
>> >>>>>>>> couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in
>> >>>>>>>> English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
>> >>>>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost
>> >>>>>>>> hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six
>> >>>>>>>> page ballot.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the
>> >>>>>>>> vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to
>> >>>>>>>> drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT
>> >>>>>>>> counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only
>> >>>>>>>> what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by
>> >>>>>>>> Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>> >>>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>> >>>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>> >>>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>> >>>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>> >>>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> How do you stand it?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>> >>>>> country.... isn't it?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID ...
>> >>>
>> >>> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to their citizens
>> >>> by the governments of all European Economic Area (EEA) member states
>> >>> except Denmark, Iceland and Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport
>> >>> card which is a valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>> >>>
>> >>> First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a good idea
>> >>> for America.
>> >>>
>> >>> Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say, from the
>> >>> people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse to let the
>> >>> government track our movements.
>> >>
>> >> Right, it impedes your vaunted "freedoms"... well except that I read
>> >> some years ago about California issuing driver's licenses to illegal
>> >> immigrants for use as an I.D. card.
>> >>
>> >
>> >The huge numbers of crash and run in LA wasn't enough mayhem:
>> >
>> >https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/23/nyregion/noncitizen-voting-rights-nyc.html
>> If the U.S. is going to emulate the governmental system used by a very
>> ancient country, that no longer exists, than it should go ahead and do
>> it. The Athenians system ignored slaves, freed slaves, children, women
>> and metics (foreign residents in Athens) and allowed only adult males
>> who had completed their military training and maintained their war
>> equipment and had paid their taxes to participate in the government.
>>
>
>Hey now, don't denigrate the US of A. Up through the early 1900s or so we had laws legally on the books that said you had to own land to vote. Don't want no one voting who is not really tied to the community by owning land to vote. But then we got rid of those laws. And in the early 1900s we even allowed women to vote. Gosh almighty. But the good states down south implemented a poll tax so only people who paid money could vote. No voting for poor non property owning people.
>
>
>
>
>> Actual day to day management was in the hands of a 500 member group
>> called the boule which was selected by a lottery as voting was deemed
>> to be a less democratic system of selection.
>>
>> And while the actual population and make up of the Athenian population
>> is not accurately known it is estimated that, perhaps, 40% of the male
>> population might have been qualified to vote.
>>
>> Oh Yes! And the Athenians had mandatory military service for all male
>> citizens (:-)
>
>The good old US of A tried that through WW2. But shortly thereafter someone with money I suspect thought sending their rich boys into the military was bad. So starting with Korean war and continuing through the Vietnam war, only poor kids who could not afford to have their mommy and daddy send them to college had to fight in wars and join the military. Poor people make the best soldiers to die I guess. Not rich kids. Didn't Trump have two or three military deferments for going to college? Before he was medically unqualified by having bad arches in his feet or something?

On 1/25/2022 7:12 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
>
>
> Vox is a left wing source, as unfavorable language as possible, which
> you note. Comment aside, Mr Trump's numbers went up.
>
> If the prior Administration was so economically inept, unfair and
> racist, why did his numbers improve?
>
> He also improved with so-called Hispanic and not only Cubans:
> https://www.as-coa.org/articles/chart-how-us-latinos-voted-2020-presidential-election
>
>
> Did you notice the fervid Vietnamese support at Trump rallies? I did:
> https://www.vox.com/first-person/2020/10/30/21540263/vietnamese-american-support-trump-2020
>
>
> Not trying to argue the last election.
>
> I only wonder if things were so horrible for 'disadvanted' groups, why
> did his numbers go up?

A couple points: You've fixated on the fact that Trump's black vote
increased by a couple percent. But he still got less than 10% of the
black vote.

You mention that his standing improved with Hispanics. But the great
majority of Hispanic voters opposed him.

IOW, mathematically you're looking at the first derivative. Sorry,
that's not what matters. What matters is relative magnitude.

And from your Vox source: "Vietnamese Americans were the only enclave to
express more support for Trump (48 percent) than Biden (36 percent)."

I don't currently have contact with Vietnamese Americans. I can't
comment on their politics. But if they were "the ONLY enclave" I
wouldn't attach much significance to their views.

Why did they like Trump? Why did a couple percent more blacks vote for
him? It hardly matters; many people are easily deceived, and those tiny
blips are not proof that Trump was in any way worthy of the office.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 4:08:43 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID ...
>
> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to their citizens
> by the governments of all European Economic Area (EEA) member states
> except Denmark, Iceland and Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport
> card which is a valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>
Haven't they discovered scissors yet in the bogs of Ohio, Krygowski? What has that huge unsnipped mail (which I've now snipped) to do with the point under discussion?
>
Coming to the point, Wikipedia is just about the most unreliable "encyclopedia" in the world; it is like the willful, ignorant clowns of RBT^1017, a number larger than the particles in the universe.
>
That piece about Ireland, bearing no relation whatsoever to the reality, is a fine example of Wikipedia's unreliability, and the unreliability of its partisans, like Krygowsky and Slow Johnny.
>
I have never heard of a "passport card" in Ireland. You can get an identity card, and recently it was upgraded (apparently at the insistence of the Americans with their fear of terrorists) to contain some biometric elements, but it was voluntary and soon fizzled when people realized they'd have to go somewhere to get a photo taken with a special camera. This card contains a number, which everyone has, which is your tax number, and does double duty as a public service number. The most important thing though is that at some age x, a letter automatically arrives inviting you to be photographed for this card, which is consequently known as the "bus pass", since geriatrics get free travel on busses (and possibly on trains -- I don't know).
>
Anyone who thinks that the Swiss and the Scands are going to let Irishmen, or anyone else, run around their countryside with for identification only a bus pass, is a worse moron than the Thai MicroTurd.
>
All the same, between Ireland and the UK, before the arrival of the EU, there was a mostly informal free travel and trade zone, unobtrusively regulated by Special Branch officers from Scotland Yard behind smoked glass at airport and harbor choke points, who had a fine record of identifying terrorists from their book of photographs. But most of the Irish who went to Britain went to work there, and served in the British Army, where they were highly valued. The EU actually made that more difficult. But I've certainly never been asked for identification coming or going between the UK and Ireland. But then I was never asked for identification in Europe before the EU either: an expensive car and suit and a comely assistant or multilingual family is a travel document of its own kind in trading nations.
>
***
There have also been mindless trolls here from the usual suspects about voting in Ireland. But Ireland has much the same voting arrangements as in any democracy I'm prepared to say has honest elections (which doesn't include the US, whichever party wins -- anglophones from around the world, once they grasp how incompetent and deliberately lax is the conduct of American elections, are without exception horrified). Examples of instantly recognizable honest elections include Australia, New Zealand, Singapore, Israel -- notice that they all have much more modest populations than the 300m plus in the States, and that all of them have British heritages that run deep.
>
In an Irish election a card per person arrives by post well before the election. The only polling station at which the card holder can vote is listed on it. The card asks him to bring photo identification plus proof of his address in the constituency. The card also tells you in which of the elections you can vote, should more than one election coincide. (Irish nationals can vote for the Irish parliament and other nationals cannot, but the foreigners can vote in EU elections.) The actual voting location is always within walking distance, in my case about five minutes away, nearer than the supermarket. Inside the polling station voting is by wards, presumably for reasons that will become clear from my further description of the process. I've never been asked for identification, because people behind the tables, always two of opposite political allegiances, are my neighbors, who know me by sight. They take the card that came through the post, agree that the card and the voter match or ask him for identification, and draw a line through my name on a copy of the voting roll they have before them for precisely this purpose. They give me a ballot which I take into a booth, mark up, and put through the slit of the ballot box in clear sight of everyone. Of course the ballot papers are counted out and in again, and the sums must match with the cards they've collected, and the total of the votes. There's just about zero chance of double voting, and vote harvesting on any but a nickel and dime scale would be virtually impossible with the strict control of absentee voting. The electoral system in Ireland is thus nowhere in the control of one party, which is one of the glaring invitations to corruption in the American electoral system.
>
Of course, Ireland has a pretty small population, and it's friendly because the crime rate is very low, so no one is frightened on streets where no one is armed -- even a pocket knife can land you in jail for a year. That reflects in the conduct of elections too: they're conducted by the same citizens who collaborate to beautify the town. All of this makes a squeaky clean election easy to achieve.
>
HTF American elections became so corrupt is very likely an Alinskyite story, meaning that it should probably be laid largely at the door of one party, the Democrat Party, "doing what is necessary to win, however immoral or evil". But it is neither as old a story as has been made out, nor as very recent story as may seem to those too close to the trees to see the forest. My own opinion is that the breakpoint was Chicago in 1968. There's also the consideration that in a country with over 300m people honest elections would be so hard to achieve, corruption may be inevitable.
>
Andre Jute
You don't know how good you've got it until you lose it.