On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:11:54 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:38:17 AM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> >> >> Flunky, you and mental midgets like Russell and Frank can have your opinions all you like. You are affecting no one. Te covid-19 policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000 people and have save no one. Seem like your kind of world. Isn't it time for your next booster shot?
> >> >
> >> >Quote from Tommy up above:
> >> >"That a mass of people disagreeing with an expert is all that is necessary despite the fact that they have absolutely no expertise in the areas of discussion."
> >> >You mean like all the anti vaxxers and Fox News hosts and right wing Republicans like Ron Desantis who say they know more about Covid and vaccines than Dr. Anthony Fauci? A man who has about 60 years of work in the field and an MD.
> >> (Hand Raised) Tommy I got a question.
> >>
> >> You say that "policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000
> >> people"? Well, O.K.
> >>
> >> But who killed the other 720,000? As you say the Democrats only killed
> >> 200,000 the it must have been the Republicans that killed the other
> >> 720,000... Mustn't it?
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >John, I am going to have to call you out on your inaccuracy. Hold your feet to the iron. There has only been 892,442 DEAD from Covid in the USA. According to the CDC. And your numbers add up to 920,000. You are overestimating by about 28,000. So if Tommy is right (???????), and the Democrats killed 200,000, then the Republicans only killed 692,442.
> >https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
> Well. I've been using WorldMeter. who claim to get their numbers from
> CDC sources, for a more up to date number that they show today, a week
> later then the CDC site, some
> https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> 923,586 at the moment, so a disparage of
> some 31,144..

So the CDC collects the death numbers and gives them to the WorldMeter, who publish them immediately. And then it takes a week or so for the CDC to update their own website with the death numbers the CDC collected and gave to WorldMeter a week ago. Makes perfect sense. Logic and rationality working at its finest.

>
> But, I'm not going to get excited about a few deaths. If the
> Republicans can only manage 692,442, well, they will just have to get
> with it to show us what they are really capable of. I mean who can
> applaud a bunch that fall down and worship a 70-something old buffoon,
> named after a duck and who pays his hair dresser $70,000? And... who
> sexually assaulted a female in a changing booth in a store?
>
> In a changing booth? Can you even imagine sex moves in a changing
> booth? Luckily they don't have phone booths any more or the poor old
> man wouldn't be able to walk down a street without being arrested.
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:33:03 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 2:07:04 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:57:38 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > Why don't you tell us that a 50 year bureaucrat is somehow more competent than the man who invented a world changing chemistry and won a Nobel Prize for it?
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kary_Mullis
> > "Mullis practiced clandestine chemistry throughout his graduate studies, specializing in the synthesis of LSD; according to his friend Tom White, "I knew he was a good chemist because he'd been synthesizing hallucinogenic drugs at UC Berkeley." He detailed his experiences synthesizing and testing various psychedelic amphetamines and a difficult trip on DET in his autobiography. In a Q&A interview published in the September 1994 issue of California Monthly, Mullis said, "Back in the 1960s and early 1970s I took plenty of LSD. A lot of people were doing that in Berkeley back then. And I found it to be a mind-opening experience. It was certainly much more important than any courses I ever took."
> >
> > "A 2007 New York Times article listed Mullis as one of several scientists who, after success in their area of research, go on to make unfounded, sometimes bizarre statements in other areas."
> >
> > "In 1992, Mullis founded a business to sell pieces of jewelry containing the amplified DNA of deceased famous people such as Elvis Presley and Marilyn Monroe."
> >
> > "After receiving his doctorate, Mullis briefly left science to write fiction before accepting the University of Kansas fellowship. During his postdoctoral work, he managed a bakery for two years."
> >
> > "Mullis acquired a reputation for erratic behavior at Cetus, once threatening to bring a gun to work; he also engaged in "public lovers' quarrels" with his then-girlfriend (a fellow chemist at the company) and "nearly came to blows with another scientist" at a staff party, according to California Magazine. White recalled: "It definitely put me in a tough spot. His behavior was so outrageous that the other scientists thought that the only reason I didn't fire him outright was that he was a friend of mine.""
> >
> > "He married four times and had three children by two of his wives."
> > He beat out Trump on the number of wives. Not kids by wives though. Trump has five kids with three wives.
> >
> >
> > Tommy, as I said several times before, you have to find more credible support for your statements. Yes this person won a Nobel prize in chemistry. But there is an old statement that goes something like this: "Every hog will find an acorn if they root long enough."

> So now you will even use unproven rumors about a Nobel Prize winning chemist. Keep digging. Sooner or later you will hit oil.

Tommy, nothing I wrote above is a rumor. It is all from the Wikipedia page.. And they are not rumors, they are pretty factual. The line I quoted above from the New York Times is very applicable for this person: "A 2007 New York Times article listed Mullis as one of several scientists who, after success in their area of research, go on to make unfounded, sometimes bizarre statements in other areas."

Nikola Tesla, the real original Tesla, not the electric car company started by Elon Musk. He was considered one of if not the genius of all geniuses to ever live. Probably even beating out Albert Einstein. Another person often considered for the smartest human to ever walk the earth position. Yet there are stories, no, facts, of Tesla taking in injured birds and caring for them. And living in a hotel room more or less as a recluse late in life. Tesla was wacky as a human being. Yet he was a genius.

So I suspect this person you quoted above fits this description very well. Genius in what he knew about. But bonkers on many other things. LSD user in the 1960s. Maybe commonplace. Fiction writer. OK I guess. He has a creative artistic side. Managing a bakery? That is getting out to the wacky area. But it was a job to make money so OK I guess. Four wives? He had personality, relationship issues most likely. Selling jewelry with Elvis and Marily Monroe DNA? WACKY!!!!!

On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 16:39:30 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:16:07 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/4/2022 4:46 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. ... You really need to take some classes and increase your education on how the financial system works.
>> The idea of Tom taking classes is a bit funny. I'm sure he'd say he
>> knows more than any teacher! :-)
>
>Frank, I have absolute proof that I know more than you. But you have my permission to continue acting the fool before everyone else. Your purposeful act to destroy this groups has succeeded. Most of the people that used to post here are now gone and you can pretend that you're the king of the hill.

By Gorry Tommy, Good on you.
Now if you would just present us with proof of your statement.

By the way, my dictionary shows the following:
proof ~ factual evidence that helps to establish the truth of
something

Please note wit wording "factual" which is somewhat different from
"delusional"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 7:39:32 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:16:07 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 2/4/2022 4:46 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. ... You really need to take some classes and increase your education on how the financial system works.
> > The idea of Tom taking classes is a bit funny. I'm sure he'd say he
> > knows more than any teacher! :-)
>
> Frank, I have absolute proof that I know more than you.

Sure frank, why Tommy knows that Campagnolo made non-stretch cables when no one else did!
Tommy knew that the north lost all battles before the emancipation proclamation when no one else did!
Tommy knew that 'light lines' was a common term for fiber optics before any of the internet service providers!
Tommy knew how to test cable with Pulse Width Modulation before any test equipment manufacturer did!

Proof Positive that tommy is the smartest, most knowledgeable, well-educated, and rational member of this forum!

> But you have my permission to continue acting the fool before everyone else.

No one here thinks Frank is a fool, sparky. Everyone looks to you for the RBT Fool-In-Residence title.

> Your purposeful act to destroy this groups has succeeded.

Gee sparky, what do you think everyone here considers to be more destructive - Frank correcting your mistakes or you repeatedly threatening various members with assault?

> Most of the people that used to post here are now gone

We keep hoping it will work on you, but alas......You're the idiot who keeps getting slapped upside the head, but is too brain damaged to feel it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pFgFUudn9Vw (the fun starts at the 4 minute mark)

> and you can pretend that you're the king of the hill.

Why shouldn't he? You do.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 8:19:52 PM UTC-5, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:

> Easy. You had no gains? Because you never REALIZED any gains by selling any stocks or investments. The IRS only taxes realized gains. Not unrealized gains.

Russel, there are two equally likely possibilities here:
a) Tommy doesn't understand the difference between a realized gain and an unrealized gain
2) Tommy's lying about any gains at all.

I think 2) is the safest bet, though even if 2) were true, it doesn't automatically negate a) being true.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:19:52 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 4:31:07 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 1:46:44 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 10:47:22 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 3:13:54 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo..com wrote:
> > > > > On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 9:08:13 AM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 8:16:03 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jeff!!!!!!!! We are talking about Tommy. Of course he worked for three companies at once. Entirely possible for a man of his talents. I suspect he put in 8 hour days at each one every Monday through Friday. That is 24 hours. The length of one day. He worked day shift, evening shift, and night shift at the three companies. In succession. All the companies were probably located in the same office building so it would only take a few seconds to run up the stairs to the next floor and start his shift at the next company. Tommy is truly amazing.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not to mention he is now mostly recovered from Obama's Great Recession and is worth almost a million and a half.
> > > > > Concerning this Tommy boy. $1.5 million dollars. Is this including the value of your/mother's home? I think Jeff or John valued it at $800k in a prior post. And your stock investments? Where you get $12k per month. Is it all invested in state bonds that are federally tax free? Or do you consider it tax free because the unrealized gain on your investments is $12k per month average and you do not sell any stocks so its untaxed for now. And if you die and pass it along to heirs it will get a step up basis on the day of your death and the gains will be tax free.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your resume on LinkedIn found by John or Jeff shows you worked for about 50 years I would guess. And you contributed to an IRA and/or 401k during your working life. And its only appreciated to $1.5 million? Or $700k if your total is also including your house value. That is a very poor appreciation over the five decades. Or did you not contribute anything to retirement savings during your working life? And thus started saving and investing only at age 65 when you got on Medicare and started drawing social security.
> > > > >
> > > > > Concerning the $12k tax free monthly income. If your capital is $1.5 million then you are getting a return of about 9.6% annual. Net tax free according to you. So figuring a combined California state and USA federal tax rate of about 30% combined for a net income of $144,000, you are making about $205,000 annual gross before taxes. Or about 13.7% gross return. Not bad Tommy boy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now if your $1.5 total includes your $800k house, then that only leaves you about $700k to earn your $12k per month net income. So your annual return is 20.6% net. Or about 29% gross before taxes. Please say hi to Warren Buffet and the Federal Reserve chairmen when all of you meet up at Jackson Hole Wyoming every year.
> > > > > > I'm making $12,000 average per month and in investments that do not require taxes. Why don't you tell us about your financial conditions what with that prestigious job of bookkeeper you have. If you even have something that complex since you have displayed an utter lack of understanding simple math.
> > > > Why are you showing us that you aren't even a good bookkeeper? My increase in value from my investments are not in cash and are not paid out to me but are an increase of the value of my investments. So exactly why are you trying to show us all that you're a terrible bookkeeper? The increase in value of my house is taxable when?
> > > Tommy, Tommy, Tommy. Above you state "I'm making $12,000 average per month and in investments that do not require taxes." The IRS, and the taxing authority in California, did not consider the "make" $12,000 per month. Else they would have taxed you on the gains. You did not make anything. It is unrealized gain. It does not count. Unless you are declaring your wealth for other purposes such as a will or possibly securing a mortgage. Mark Zuckerberg lost $26 Billion dollars yesterday. It was not income. It was wealth. All unrealized loss. Unless he cashed out his ownership of Facebook at the bottom. And his wealth went up a billion or so today. Again not income. You really need to take some classes and increase your education on how the financial system works.
> > >
> > > In many posts you claim you lost all your money when Obama was president. You being the only one. But unless you sold the stocks and realized your losses, it was not reported as income/loss on your tax statement. You did not use the losses to offset gains and did not even get to use the $3000 carry forward. So it was fictious losses made up by you. Doesn't count. Not real. Fake news.
> > >
> > > The increase in value of your house is taxable every single year when property taxes are due. In most of the USA, not sure how California works, the county assessor sends a property tax statement, bill, every year saying your house is now worth X. Usually its an increase in worth. So your property taxes increase each year. And when you sell your main residence, you may or may not pay taxes on the gain. Real estate laws on selling of main residence has changed significantly in the past years. It used to be you paid on the gains. Then it was the first $50k or $150k that was excluded. Now it may be everything is excluded on selling of main residence. Or maybe there is an upper limit on the exclusion. First $1 million excluded and you pay income or capital gain tax on the rest above $1 million. I have not kept up with the real estate taxes recently.
> > > >
> > > > Why are you so intent in making yourself look so entirely incompetent? Before this we could all give you the benefit of a doubt but you just have to make your incompetence public. I suppose one has to wonder why?
> > Perhaps you can explain to me why I just had my taxes made out by H&R Block and I wasn't charge any taxes on my gains? Oh, wait, you're much smarter than the US largest tax service.
> >
> > Tell me Russell, why do you continue to dig yourself in deeper and deeper?
> Easy. You had no gains? Because you never REALIZED any gains by selling any stocks or investments. The IRS only taxes realized gains. Not unrealized gains. And the IRS does not give you a deduction for unrealized losses. All of your gains and losses you keep yipping and yapping about are all UNREALIZED. Imaginary more or less. Maybe you never sold anything to realize a gain because your social security pension (socialism at its finest) is enough for you to live comfortably enough. Along with the fortune you make selling bikes on eBay or Craigs list. You have told us many times you bought your mother a house long ago and now live in it. I assume its paid for so no housing expense. And you have told us you have some kind of property tax exemption or no increase rule in affect for your house. California laws. So property taxes may be manageable on social security. And maybe you do not live too high on the hog so social security covers everything well enough. But you have complained numerous times about how high priced groceries are.
>
> Or, you offset all of your realized gains this year and prior years during Trump by deducting against your capital loss carry forward. You have told us endlessly how you lost everything on earth during Obama. So when Obama left, you had huge capital loss carry forward. And you can carry these losses forward until death. So they could be used to offset all of the millions you made while Trump was in office. Andd pay no taxes. But now that Biden is in office you are back to losing money and accumulating all the loss carry forward used up during Trump. Sad, sad, sad.
But Gee Russell, you just said that if I made that money I had to pay taxes on it. Now suddenly you change your mind. Everyone here is simply stunned that suddenly you agree with me.

On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:26:55 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:11:54 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:38:17 AM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
> > >> >> Flunky, you and mental midgets like Russell and Frank can have your opinions all you like. You are affecting no one. Te covid-19 policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000 people and have save no one. Seem like your kind of world. Isn't it time for your next booster shot?
> > >> >
> > >> >Quote from Tommy up above:
> > >> >"That a mass of people disagreeing with an expert is all that is necessary despite the fact that they have absolutely no expertise in the areas of discussion."
> > >> >You mean like all the anti vaxxers and Fox News hosts and right wing Republicans like Ron Desantis who say they know more about Covid and vaccines than Dr. Anthony Fauci? A man who has about 60 years of work in the field and an MD.
> > >> (Hand Raised) Tommy I got a question.
> > >>
> > >> You say that "policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000
> > >> people"? Well, O.K.
> > >>
> > >> But who killed the other 720,000? As you say the Democrats only killed
> > >> 200,000 the it must have been the Republicans that killed the other
> > >> 720,000... Mustn't it?
> > >> --
> > >> Cheers,
> > >>
> > >> John B.
> > >
> > >John, I am going to have to call you out on your inaccuracy. Hold your feet to the iron. There has only been 892,442 DEAD from Covid in the USA. According to the CDC. And your numbers add up to 920,000. You are overestimating by about 28,000. So if Tommy is right (???????), and the Democrats killed 200,000, then the Republicans only killed 692,442.
> > >https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
> > Well. I've been using WorldMeter. who claim to get their numbers from
> > CDC sources, for a more up to date number that they show today, a week
> > later then the CDC site, some
> > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
> > 923,586 at the moment, so a disparage of
> > some 31,144..
> So the CDC collects the death numbers and gives them to the WorldMeter, who publish them immediately. And then it takes a week or so for the CDC to update their own website with the death numbers the CDC collected and gave to WorldMeter a week ago. Makes perfect sense. Logic and rationality working at its finest.

Please tell me about the CDC, you're such an outstanding expert on them that everything you say just has that beautiful ring of truth. It isn't as if you even bothered to look at the CDC data I showed on their own sites. You've decided to echo CNN and OBiden who is busy facing down Cornpop with a chain.

On Sat, 5 Feb 2022 07:11:57 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 5:26:55 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 6:31:03 PM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> > On Fri, 4 Feb 2022 14:11:54 -0800 (PST), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> > <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > >On Friday, February 4, 2022 at 12:38:17 AM UTC-6, John B. wrote:
>> > >> >> Flunky, you and mental midgets like Russell and Frank can have your opinions all you like. You are affecting no one. Te covid-19 policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000 people and have save no one. Seem like your kind of world. Isn't it time for your next booster shot?
>> > >> >
>> > >> >Quote from Tommy up above:
>> > >> >"That a mass of people disagreeing with an expert is all that is necessary despite the fact that they have absolutely no expertise in the areas of discussion."
>> > >> >You mean like all the anti vaxxers and Fox News hosts and right wing Republicans like Ron Desantis who say they know more about Covid and vaccines than Dr. Anthony Fauci? A man who has about 60 years of work in the field and an MD.
>> > >> (Hand Raised) Tommy I got a question.
>> > >>
>> > >> You say that "policies produced by the Democrats have killed 200,000
>> > >> people"? Well, O.K.
>> > >>
>> > >> But who killed the other 720,000? As you say the Democrats only killed
>> > >> 200,000 the it must have been the Republicans that killed the other
>> > >> 720,000... Mustn't it?
>> > >> --
>> > >> Cheers,
>> > >>
>> > >> John B.
>> > >
>> > >John, I am going to have to call you out on your inaccuracy. Hold your feet to the iron. There has only been 892,442 DEAD from Covid in the USA. According to the CDC. And your numbers add up to 920,000. You are overestimating by about 28,000. So if Tommy is right (???????), and the Democrats killed 200,000, then the Republicans only killed 692,442.
>> > >https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home
>> > Well. I've been using WorldMeter. who claim to get their numbers from
>> > CDC sources, for a more up to date number that they show today, a week
>> > later then the CDC site, some
>> > https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
>> > 923,586 at the moment, so a disparage of
>> > some 31,144..
>> So the CDC collects the death numbers and gives them to the WorldMeter, who publish them immediately. And then it takes a week or so for the CDC to update their own website with the death numbers the CDC collected and gave to WorldMeter a week ago. Makes perfect sense. Logic and rationality working at its finest.
>
>Please tell me about the CDC, you're such an outstanding expert on them that everything you say just has that beautiful ring of truth. It isn't as if you even bothered to look at the CDC data I showed on their own sites. You've decided to echo CNN and OBiden who is busy facing down Cornpop with a chain.

Well Tommy, I looked on the CDC site
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/mortality-overview.htm
and I find:
Deaths Attributed to COVID-19 on Death Certificates
Deaths through week ending 1/29/2022
885,126

and on the same page I find
Total Excess Deaths
Total Excess Deaths from 2/1/2020 to 1/22/2022
1.006,393

So Tommy, is it a matter that you can't understand what your read -
Frank did suggest that you get your wife to explain the big words to
you.

Or is it simply matter that you are a blatant liar? I've shown that
you lied on the first entry on your resume and Jeff, I believe, has
cast serious doubt many of other entries.

So tell us Tommy. You didn't understand? You lied? Or You are simply
crazy?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>
> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>
> See more extracts from the report at:
> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>
> Andre Jute
> I was born in South Africa,

Sorry to hear that.

>where the British invented the Concentration Camp.

Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.

The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.

Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba

http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm

'225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'

See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php

It contains an account of the Spanish camps

'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'

1896 is before 1900 isn't it?

> I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.

Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
from Boojers, and also left wingers.

Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.

"of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."

"Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
subsidised by the German government."

British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
By Simon Webb.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >
> > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >
> > See more extracts from the report at:
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > I was born in South Africa,
>
> Sorry to hear that.
>
> >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
>
> Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
>
> The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
>
> Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
>
> http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>
> '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
>
> See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>
> It contains an account of the Spanish camps
>
> 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press.. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
>
> 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
>
> > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>
> Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> from Boojers, and also left wingers.
>
> Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
>
> "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>
> "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> subsidised by the German government."
>
> British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> By Simon Webb.

I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > >
> > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > >
> > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > I was born in South Africa,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that.
> >
> > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> >
> > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> >
> > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> >
> > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> >
> > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> >
> > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> >
> > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> >
> > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> >
> > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> >
> > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> >
> > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >
> > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> >
> > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> >
> > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald.. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> >
> > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > subsidised by the German government."
> >
> > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > By Simon Webb.
> I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.

Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.

The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
`Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
`Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
`Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
`Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'

I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:42:55 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > > >
> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > > >
> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > I was born in South Africa,
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that.
> > >
> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> > >
> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> > >
> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> > >
> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> > >
> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> > >
> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> > >
> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> > >
> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> > >
> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> > >
> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> > >
> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > >
> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> > >
> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> > >
> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> > >
> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > > subsidised by the German government."
> > >
> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > > By Simon Webb.
> > I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
>
> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
>
> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD

Well it isn't as if someone doesn't claim that their enemies invented concentration camps. The Japanese were especially vicious with the Filipinos in WW II. This gave them the idea that Filipinos were subhuman. After MacArthur rearmed the Filipino rebels the Japanese made unbearable mistakes in dealing with them because they thought of them as having nothing more than the intelligence of an animal. That did not turn out well for the Japanese involved. I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge over a small ravine That you could practically jump over. The Japanese made Bonzai charge after charge OVER the bridge to the result of the 100% casualties to the entire Japanese company. Seems like a hard way to learn manners. Perhaps it was that concentration camp that led to the Hadrian's Wall.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:42:55 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>> > > >
>> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
>> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>> > > >
>> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
>> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>> > > >
>> > > > Andre Jute
>> > > > I was born in South Africa,
>> > >
>> > > Sorry to hear that.
>> > >
>> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
>> > >
>> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
>> > >
>> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
>> > >
>> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
>> > >
>> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>> > >
>> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
>> > >
>> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>> > >
>> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
>> > >
>> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
>> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
>> > >
>> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
>> > >
>> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>> > >
>> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
>> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
>> > >
>> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
>> > >
>> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>> > >
>> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
>> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
>> > > subsidised by the German government."
>> > >
>> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
>> > > By Simon Webb.
>> > I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
>> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
>>
>> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
>> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
>> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
>> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
>> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
>> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
>> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
>> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
>> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
>>
>> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD
>
>Well it isn't as if someone doesn't claim that their enemies invented concentration camps. The Japanese were especially vicious with the Filipinos in WW II. This gave them the idea that Filipinos were subhuman. After MacArthur rearmed the Filipino rebels the Japanese made unbearable mistakes in dealing with them because they thought of them as having nothing more than the intelligence of an animal. That did not turn out well for the Japanese involved. I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge over a small ravine That you could practically jump over. The Japanese made Bonzai charge after charge OVER the bridge to the result of the 100% casualties to the entire Japanese company. Seems like a hard way to learn manners. Perhaps it was that concentration camp that led to the Hadrian's Wall.

"I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company
of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge"???

You remember? and how is that? You were born in, what? 1944? 1945? and
the Philippines were "freed" as of 2 September 1945 so you were either
a gleam in your parent's eyes or, at best, 1 year old.

Were you creeping around the Philippines with Douglas? And was he
changing your diapers?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:06:07 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:42:55 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> >> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >> > > >
> >> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> >> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >> > > >
> >> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
> >> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Andre Jute
> >> > > > I was born in South Africa,
> >> > >
> >> > > Sorry to hear that.
> >> > >
> >> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> >> > >
> >> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> >> > >
> >> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> >> > >
> >> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> >> > >
> >> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> >> > >
> >> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> >> > >
> >> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> >> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> >> > >
> >> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> >> > >
> >> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >> > >
> >> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> >> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> >> > >
> >> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> >> > >
> >> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> >> > >
> >> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> >> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> >> > > subsidised by the German government."
> >> > >
> >> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> >> > > By Simon Webb.
> >> > I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
> >> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
> >>
> >> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
> >> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
> >> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
> >> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
> >> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
> >> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
> >> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
> >> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
> >> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
> >>
> >> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD
> >
> >Well it isn't as if someone doesn't claim that their enemies invented concentration camps. The Japanese were especially vicious with the Filipinos in WW II. This gave them the idea that Filipinos were subhuman. After MacArthur rearmed the Filipino rebels the Japanese made unbearable mistakes in dealing with them because they thought of them as having nothing more than the intelligence of an animal. That did not turn out well for the Japanese involved. I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge over a small ravine That you could practically jump over. The Japanese made Bonzai charge after charge OVER the bridge to the result of the 100% casualties to the entire Japanese company. Seems like a hard way to learn manners. Perhaps it was that concentration camp that led to the Hadrian's Wall.
>
> "I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company
> of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge"???
>
> You remember? and how is that? You were born in, what? 1944? 1945? and
> the Philippines were "freed" as of 2 September 1945 so you were either
> a gleam in your parent's eyes or, at best, 1 year old.

September 2, 1945? The A bombs were dropped on Japan on August 6 and 9. Peace treaty or something was signed a week or two later I think. So how were the Philippines not freed until after that? Didn't Macarthur free them earlier than that?

>
> Were you creeping around the Philippines with Douglas? And was he
> changing your diapers?
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:06:07 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:42:55 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>> >> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>> >> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
>> >> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
>> >> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Andre Jute
>> >> > > > I was born in South Africa,
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Sorry to hear that.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
>> >> > >
>> >> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>> >> > >
>> >> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
>> >> > >
>> >> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
>> >> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
>> >> > >
>> >> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
>> >> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
>> >> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
>> >> > > subsidised by the German government."
>> >> > >
>> >> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
>> >> > > By Simon Webb.
>> >> > I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
>> >> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
>> >>
>> >> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
>> >> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
>> >> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
>> >> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
>> >> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
>> >> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
>> >> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
>> >> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
>> >> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
>> >>
>> >> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD
>> >
>> >Well it isn't as if someone doesn't claim that their enemies invented concentration camps. The Japanese were especially vicious with the Filipinos in WW II. This gave them the idea that Filipinos were subhuman. After MacArthur rearmed the Filipino rebels the Japanese made unbearable mistakes in dealing with them because they thought of them as having nothing more than the intelligence of an animal. That did not turn out well for the Japanese involved. I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge over a small ravine That you could practically jump over. The Japanese made Bonzai charge after charge OVER the bridge to the result of the 100% casualties to the entire Japanese company. Seems like a hard way to learn manners. Perhaps it was that concentration camp that led to the Hadrian's Wall.
>>
>> "I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company
>> of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge"???
>>
>> You remember? and how is that? You were born in, what? 1944? 1945? and
>> the Philippines were "freed" as of 2 September 1945 so you were either
>> a gleam in your parent's eyes or, at best, 1 year old.
>
>September 2, 1945? The A bombs were dropped on Japan on August 6 and 9. Peace treaty or something was signed a week or two later I think. So how were the Philippines not freed until after that? Didn't Macarthur free them earlier than that?
>
>
>
>
>>
>> Were you creeping around the Philippines with Douglas? And was he
>> changing your diapers?
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.

Unlike Tommy I wasn't there so I don't remember, but I believe that
the last Japanese troops in the Philippines surrendered when ordered
by the Japanese Government when peace was signed. And, the last
"battle" I find mentioned was the Battle of Luzon which seems to have
ended 15 August 1945, so it the date seems likely.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 4/27/2022 9:01 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 18:38:16 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 8:06:07 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 27 Apr 2022 16:22:14 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 3:42:55 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
>>>>>>>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See more extracts from the report at:
>>>>>>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Andre Jute
>>>>>>>> I was born in South Africa,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sorry to hear that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It contains an account of the Spanish camps
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
>>>>>>> Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
>>>>>>> from Boojers, and also left wingers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
>>>>>>> Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
>>>>>>> subsidised by the German government."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
>>>>>>> By Simon Webb.
>>>>>> I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
>>>>> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
>>>>> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
>>>>> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
>>>>> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
>>>>> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
>>>>> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
>>>>> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
>>>>> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
>>>>> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD
>>>>
>>>> Well it isn't as if someone doesn't claim that their enemies invented concentration camps. The Japanese were especially vicious with the Filipinos in WW II. This gave them the idea that Filipinos were subhuman. After MacArthur rearmed the Filipino rebels the Japanese made unbearable mistakes in dealing with them because they thought of them as having nothing more than the intelligence of an animal. That did not turn out well for the Japanese involved. I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge over a small ravine That you could practically jump over. The Japanese made Bonzai charge after charge OVER the bridge to the result of the 100% casualties to the entire Japanese company. Seems like a hard way to learn manners. Perhaps it was that concentration camp that led to the Hadrian's Wall.
>>>
>>> "I remember in one particular case the rebels caught an entire company
>>> of Japanese solders on the other side of a bridge"???
>>>
>>> You remember? and how is that? You were born in, what? 1944? 1945? and
>>> the Philippines were "freed" as of 2 September 1945 so you were either
>>> a gleam in your parent's eyes or, at best, 1 year old.
>>
>> September 2, 1945? The A bombs were dropped on Japan on August 6 and 9. Peace treaty or something was signed a week or two later I think. So how were the Philippines not freed until after that? Didn't Macarthur free them earlier than that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Were you creeping around the Philippines with Douglas? And was he
>>> changing your diapers?
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>
> Unlike Tommy I wasn't there so I don't remember, but I believe that
> the last Japanese troops in the Philippines surrendered when ordered
> by the Japanese Government when peace was signed. And, the last
> "battle" I find mentioned was the Battle of Luzon which seems to have
> ended 15 August 1945, so it the date seems likely.
>

Both can be true. 'Official' and 'actual'

https://sofrep.com/news/this-japanese-soldier-continued-his-war-in-the-jungle-for-30-years-after-japan-surrendered/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:57:47 PM UTC+1, Andrew Smith wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >
> > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >
> > See more extracts from the report at:
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > I was born in South Africa,
>
> Sorry to hear that.
>
> >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
>
> Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
>
> The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
>
> Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
>
> http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
>
> '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
>
> See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
>
> It contains an account of the Spanish camps
>
> 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press.. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
>
> 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
>
> > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>
> Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> from Boojers, and also left wingers.
>
> Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
>
> "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
>
> "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> subsidised by the German government."
>
> British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> By Simon Webb.
>
Thanks for the history lesson. Andrew.
>
It may interest you that a recent British action film, The Kingsman, also suggested the Kitchener invented the concentration camp as blackmail on the Boer side, specifically because the British way of war couldn’t cope with the guerilla tactics of the two Boer Republics.
>
I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
>
Andre Jute
Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
>

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:

> I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.

Only from you and kucinich.

"the vietnamese surrendered, ending the vietnam war"
"the rebel army won every battle in the US civil war before the emancipation proclamation"
"there was no recession before Barack Obama took office"

the list of gems from you two trolling idiots is nearly endless....

> >
> Andre Jute
> Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia

Yup, he makes it up as he goes along.

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:57:47 PM UTC+1, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > >
> > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > >
> > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > I was born in South Africa,
> >
> > Sorry to hear that.
> >
> > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> >
> > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> >
> > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> >
> > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> >
> > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> >
> > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> >
> > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> >
> > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> >
> > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> >
> > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> >
> > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >
> > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> >
> > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> >
> > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald.. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> >
> > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > subsidised by the German government."
> >
> > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > By Simon Webb.
> >
> Thanks for the history lesson. Andrew.
> >
> It may interest you that a recent British action film, The Kingsman, also suggested the Kitchener invented the concentration camp as blackmail on the Boer side, specifically because the British way of war couldn’t cope with the guerilla tactics of the two Boer Republics.
> >
> I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
> >
> Andre Jute
> Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
> >

Well it clearly is obvious that Frank, Russell, SMS, Flunky and Jeff obtain every iota of knowledge they have from their Google searches they do "for the truth".

On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 11:42:55 PM UTC+1, Andrew Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 2:05:39 PM UTC-7, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 1:57:47 PM UTC-7, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > > >
> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > > >
> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > I was born in South Africa,
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that.
> > >
> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> > >
> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> > >
> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> > >
> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> > >
> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> > >
> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> > >
> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> > >
> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> > >
> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> > >
> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> > >
> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > >
> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> > >
> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> > >
> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> > >
> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > > subsidised by the German government."
> > >
> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > > By Simon Webb.
> > I'm sure that concentration camps were used throughout history. The idea is neither unusual or difficult to contrive.
> Indeed. The earliest camp I know of is Vindolanda, a Roman camp in Northumberland, where the Romans kept hostages from a British tribe.
>
> The Herald (Glasgow) (2 August 1997 p3):
> `Riddle of Vindolanda fort: ancient Scots may have been held hostage in
> Roman Empire's only concentration camp'
> Birmingham Post (2 August 1997 p6):
> `Romans `held hundreds in prison camp''
> The Scotsman (2 August 1997 p22):
> `Romans invented concentration camps for Scots'
> Yorkshire Post (2 August 1997 p11):
> `Prison camp theory for Roman ruins'
>
> I suppose Jute now thinks the British invented concentration camps by being imprisoned in them by the Romans in 200 AD
>
Nah, I’m not one of these clowns who contort themselves into pretzels to prove they’re never wrong because their self-image is fragile.. It’s enough for me to be generally right in the longer term. Anyway, there are plenty of detail-men to clean up the details behind me, as you’ve just done. Thanks again. — Andre Jute

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:58:35 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
>
> > I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
> Only from you and kucinich.
>
> "the vietnamese surrendered, ending the vietnam war"
> "the rebel army won every battle in the US civil war before the emancipation proclamation"
> "there was no recession before Barack Obama took office"
>
Prove that I said a single word of that, numb nuts. You’re a routine false accuser.
>
> the list of gems from you two trolling idiots is nearly endless....
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
> Yup, he makes it up as he goes along.
>
The winners always write history. So what?
>
Unsigned out of contempt
>

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:58:56 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 9:57:47 PM UTC+1, Andrew Smith wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 6:49:28 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > > >
> > > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > > >
> > > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > > >
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > I was born in South Africa,
> > >
> > > Sorry to hear that.
> > >
> > > >where the British invented the Concentration Camp.
> > >
> > > Nope, the British did not invent the concentration camp.
> > >
> > > The British used concentration camps in the Second Anglo Boer War which happened 1899 to 1902.
> > >
> > > Here are some camps setup by Imperial Spain in 1896 in Cuba
> > >
> > > http://www.latinamericanstudies.org/reconcentrado.htm
> > >
> > > '225,000 Cuban civilians died in 18 months 1896-97'
> > >
> > > See also http://amigospais-guaracabuya.org/oagld003.php
> > >
> > > It contains an account of the Spanish camps
> > >
> > > 'Concentration Camps of Cuba 1895-1898 re South Africa, Boer, Tainos, Red Cross, Senator Redfield Proctor
> > > Excerpt from Clara Barton 1899, "THE RED CROSS" American Historical Press. Published? by American National Red Cross, Washington, D.C. USA- pages 534-539'
> > >
> > > 1896 is before 1900 isn't it?
> > >
> > > > I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > >
> > > Yes, all my life I've heard South Africans claim that the British invented concentration camps, both
> > > from Boojers, and also left wingers.
> > >
> > > Non-South Africans will probably not be surprised to learn that this claim is Nazi propaganda.
> > >
> > > "of all the misleading Nazi propaganda, no lie was more successful than the one which suggested that concentration camps were an invention of the British and that the Germans had only developed and expanded a concept which had its roots in the British Empire. The idea that the British invented concentration camps had sedulously peddled during the 1930s by the leaders of the Third Reich. In February 1938, for example, Sir Neville Henderson, British Ambassador to Germany, had a meeting with Hermann Goering. In the course of their encounter in Berlin, Henderson denounced the "loathsome and detestable" taking place in concentration camps such as Dachau and Buchenwald. For answer, Goering went to a bookshelf and took down the volume of a German encyclopedia covering the letter K and showed the ambassador the entry for 'Konzentrationslager', which began "First used by the British in the South African War..."
> > >
> > > "Throughout the 1930s, Minister for Propaganda Josef Goebbels had also fostered the notion that concentration camps were a British invention.
> > > Postcards purporting to show the grim conditions in the camps run by the British during the Boer War were circulated. A film, Om Paul, was
> > > subsidised by the German government."
> > >
> > > British Concentration Camps: A Brief History from 1900-1975
> > > By Simon Webb.
> > >
> > Thanks for the history lesson. Andrew.
> > >
> > It may interest you that a recent British action film, The Kingsman, also suggested the Kitchener invented the concentration camp as blackmail on the Boer side, specifically because the British way of war couldn’t cope with the guerilla tactics of the two Boer Republics.
> > >
> > I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
> > >
> > Andre Jute
> > Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
> > >
> Well it clearly is obvious that Frank, Russell, SMS, Flunky and Jeff obtain every iota of knowledge they have from their Google searches they do "for the truth".
>
That’s as fine a definition of a delusory personality as I’ve ever seen. —- AJ

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 11:14:31 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:58:35 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> > > I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
> > Only from you and kucinich.
> >
> > "the vietnamese surrendered, ending the vietnam war"
> > "the rebel army won every battle in the US civil war before the emancipation proclamation"
> > "there was no recession before Barack Obama took office"
> >
> Prove that I said a single word of that, numb nuts. You’re a routine false accuser.
> >
> > the list of gems from you two trolling idiots is nearly endless....
> > > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
> > Yup, he makes it up as he goes along.
> >
> The winners always write history. So what?
> >
> Unsigned out of contempt
> >

"That’s the concept behind the claim that General Vo Nguyen Giap, the chief Vietminh military leader in the war against U.S. forces (and later minister of defense and deputy premier of the Socialist Republic of Vietnam after the fall of Saigon in 1975), penned memoirs in which he maintained that the North Vietnamese realized the war was unwinnable and were prepared to give up, but they ultimately prevailed because negative public opinion in America (fomented by anti-war protesters and hostile..."

On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 11:14:31 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:58:35 PM UTC+1, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 12:29:16 PM UTC-4, Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> > > I certainly hope you’ll stick around to correct the vast swathes of perverse “history” a certain contingent here spreads weekly.
> > Only from you and kucinich.
> >
> > "the vietnamese surrendered, ending the vietnam war"
> > "the rebel army won every battle in the US civil war before the emancipation proclamation"
> > "there was no recession before Barack Obama took office"
> >
> Prove that I said a single word of that, numb nuts. You’re a routine false accuser.
> >
> > the list of gems from you two trolling idiots is nearly endless....
> > > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia
> > Yup, he makes it up as he goes along.
> >
> The winners always write history. So what?
> >
> Unsigned out of contempt
> >
The Great Recession began with the election of a Democrat majority to Congress Up to the election of Barrack Obama it was little more than a MILD recession. Almost instantly the economy fell into the tank. Until Biden, Obama had absolutely the worst economy of the post war years. Truman was almost as bad but he had the excuse of the war recovery years. The economy of Jimmy Carter was dreadful but Obama had HALF the performance of Carter making a peanut grower look intelligent in comparison. Flunky shows himself to be nothing more than the stalker as was suggested to me. I continue to see that he wants to suck me every time one of his postings is copied to me. https://www.hudson.org/research/12719-obama-s-historically-bad-economy "Obama’s best year? 2.6 percent in 2015. That’s so weak that it is beneath the post-WWII average of 2.9 percent." No9 wonder Frank and Flunky dislike me so much. They cannot stand facing the truth.

On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 11:18:37 -0700 (PDT), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:58:56 PM UTC+1, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 9:29:16 AM UTC-7, Andre Jute wrote:
>> > Andre Jute
>> > Who doesn’t get his history from Wikipedia

>> Well it clearly is obvious that Frank, Russell, SMS, Flunky and Jeff obtain every iota of knowledge they have from their Google searches they do "for the truth".

>That’s as fine a definition of a delusory personality as I’ve ever seen. —- AJ

For what little it seems to be worth to you, I use Wikipedia
references because:
1. They're easy to find and cover a wide range of topics.
2. They're mostly accurate.
3. They provide me with accurate spelling (and pronunciation).
4. They provide interesting background material and additional
references in the footnotes.
5. They're readable by mere mortals unschooled in political catch
phrases and jargon.
6. They provide links to the source material.

However, if you want me to use references other than Wikipedia, I can
easily provide some really obscure sources. Is that an improvement? I
noticed that Tom, and possibly you, have solved the problem of
providing adequate sources, properly attributed quotation, and expert
opinions, by simply not providing any of these. I see very little in
the way of attributions, links and sources from you and none from Tom.
Do you expect your readers to accept your word at face value? I can't
speak for the others, but I certainly don't. Without backup, sources,
and maybe a consensus, most of the amazing facts presented by Tom are
his opinion, his imagination, and all too commonly, a fabrication. You
do quite a bit better than Tom, but I would still like to see some
corroberation or perhaps a link to someone with similar opinions.

I don't have any plans to abandon my use of Wikipedia references. If
you wish to dispute my conclusions or Wikipedia sources, you are
welcome to do so. If you find a Wikipedia article to be inadequate,
I'm sure the authors and editors would be interested in your input.
However, I'm not willing to throw out the best reference material
available on the internet and am quite willing to tolerate a few
errors and differences of opinion in the content.

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