On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 06:01:06 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 04:03:24 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 6:09:56 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:13:55 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:38:49 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
>>> ><fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:20 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> >>> About 1.5 cords:
>>> >>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
>>> >>> madrone firewood $600.
>>> >
>>> >>Okay, I'll bite. How is "a cord" determined? Is it a fixed weight? Or a fixed volume, like so many F150 loads? Or enough wood to make x BTUs when efficiently burned?
>>> >
>>> >It's suppose to be a neatly stacked woodpile.
>>> >Nominally 4ft x 4ft x 8ft = 128 cubic-feet.
>>> >However, that's subject to far too much creative interpretation. To
>>> >the buyer, the wood is stacked tightly, with little airspace. To the
>>> >seller, it's whatever is randomly thrown into the back of their pickup
>>> >truck with plywood on the sides to allow for the 4ft height. Extra
>>> >creativity for not allowing for the loss from rear tire wheel wells,
>>> >tool boxes, and debris in the truck. Even when stacked, measurement
>>> >is done with a tape measure. My piles are a bit of a problem as
>>> >they're on a slight grade or hillside. The final determination is
>>> >usually settled by guesswork and haggling. I'll spare you the horror
>>> >stories, but I don't recall getting a genuine full cord of firewood in
>>> >the last 15 years. Some of my wood piles are features at:
>>> ><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/>
>>> >
>>> Actually Jeff, a "cord" of wood was, at least back in the day when
>>> wood was commonly used for heating, a pile of "cord wood" 4 feet high
>>> and 8 feet long. "Cord wood" being 4 foot sections of a tree.
>>>
>>> After you bought the number of cords of wood that you estimated would
>>> need for the winter you then needed to "buck it up" into "stove wood"
>>> lengths with a "buck saw" and probably split it.
>>>
>>> And a sensible chap would have bought two different types of wood,
>>> some pine, or other soft wood, and some oak, maple, or other hard
>>> woods. To do different would certainly invoke the ire of one's wife,
>>> or mother in law, who was ever doing the cooking, as certainly two
>>> types of wood are needed for a quick hot flame and longer lasting
>>> "baking" fire.
>>>
>>> I might add that I earned by first .22, single shot, Winchester, rifle
>>> by bucking up cord wood for a month, every afternoon, till supper
>>> time, after school when I was 12 years old (:-)
>>> --
>>
>>North-east massachusetts Where I grew up is dotted with many many apple orchards. My first paying "job" at the age of 14 was picking 'drops' after school for 25¢ a bushel IIRC. The orchard would send a stake-body truck (no seats) to the high school and pick up whoever wanted to go make a few bucks to pick up apples until dark, then the truck would drive us back to the school for our parents to pick us up. I don't recall my parents having to sign a release, but I could be wrong about that. The point of the story being we would just sit in the back of the truck with no seatbelts for the short ride to the orchard. Of course today riding in the back of an open-body vehicle with no restraining system is illegal. I have no idea how people ever survived to adulthood back then with all that risky behaviour ;)
>
>Yup, and kids used to be sent out, weaponless, to chase the cows back
>into the barn at milking time, and the really oppressive weeding the
>garden instead of frolicking down at the "swimming hole" and some poor
>little fellows had to mow the lawn"... with a human powered mowing
>machine.
>
>And some people used to actually beat their children when the little
>darlings did some totally meaningless little thing... After all, it is
>perfectly natural for a child to fall down on the floor, kick his feet
>and scream when his mother won't by him the toy that he/she/it
>deserves.

for all those who get excited about petty things like spelling, "won't
by" probably should have been written as "won't buy" no matter how it
is pronounced (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 15:15:15 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:17:57 -0500, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 1/29/2022 3:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> I've always been frugal (cheap) and scrounge for much of my firewood.
>>> Last year, I traded 3/4 cord of semi-rotten firewood for some computer
>>> repair work. In the past, I've used construction scrap, bundled
>>> twigs, pallets, impossible to split logs, stumps, twigs, sawdust,
>>> rolled newsprint, etc.
>
>>I can't find it online, but ISTR an article from some years ago about a
>>man who heated his entire home by burning newspapers he subscribed to.
>
>"Heating a house with rolled newspapers"
><https://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1217/121753.html>
>
>"How To: Make Fire Logs from Newspaper"
><https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-make-newspaper-logs/>
>
>>These days I guess you'd do that using heat from one's electronic
>>device. Much more difficult.
>
>Daily delivery of the local fish wrapper is $143/year.
><https://newsrates.com/product/the-santa-cruz-sentinel/>
>My guess(tm) is at least 17 newspaper logs per day to keep the
>temperature about 10C above ambient (assuming R19 insulation). For a
>burn season of 6 months, that would be:
> 1 papers * $143/subscription/year = $143/year
>plus
> 16 papers * 1/2 year * $143/subscription/year = $1,144/year
> $143 + $1,144 = $1,287/year
>or about the cost of 2 cords of firewood. Kinda sounds like beak even
>if one has to pay for a subscription. However, it might be useful for
>a newspaper hoarder:
><https://www.google.com/search?q=newspaper+hoarder&tbm=isch>

And, as I previously noted, long underwear is $20/set (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:55:18 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
wrote:

>On 1/29/2022 12:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 08:01:54 -0800, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/28/2022 8:13 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Incidentally, we have a local faction that is trying to get the
>>>> government(s) to ban burning firewood. They were having some success,
>>>> especially after getting the state to subsidize firewood to propane
>>>> gas stove replacements. The recent rise in propane prices put an end
>>>> to that and the market value for wood burning stoves has greatly
>>>> improved.
>>
>>> When I was in Vermont last year, I went by an electrical generating
>>> plant where locals bring their wood to be burned
>>> <https://www.burlingtonelectric.com/wastewood/>. The upside is that they
>>> capture the ash when they burn the wood.
>>
>> I was thinking of buying or building an electrostatic precipitator:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=electrostatic+precipitator+for+home+wood+stove>
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=electrostatic+precipitator+for+home+wood+stove&tbm=isch>
>>
>> "Particle Filter System for Stoves and Fireplaces"
>> <https://enervex.com/systems/particle-filter-system-for-stoves-and-fireplaces>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wlj7n8VRcsQ>
>> The power consumption is 60 watts when running plus about 3 watts in
>> standby (for self cleaning). At $0.20/kw-hr and 10 hrs/day operation,
>> electricity cost would be approximately:
>> $0.20/kw-hr * 0.060kw * 10hrs/day = $0.12/day or $3.60/month
>
>I don't think anyone in PG&E territory is paying only $0.20/KWH except
>if they're on a separate meter for their electric car. For municipally
>owned utilities, like Santa Clara's Silicon Valley Power, it's less than
>$0.20/KWH.
>
>You could put in solar but looking at your property in Google Street
>View and Google Earth it looks like the tree cover would not make that
>practical.
>
>PG&E and the other California investor-owned utilities are trying to get
>the legislature to pass a law that eliminates the requirement that they
>reimburse power put onto the grid at the retail value. They would be bad
>for anyone with a solar installation though of course the utilities are
>upset at having to pay up to 10x the wholesale cost for KWH.

Well, if you make something and then sell it to another entity who in
turns sells it to the end user your selling price would certainly be
established with any cost of transportation required by the middleman
in order to sell your product taken into consideration. So why should
electricity be treated any different? Yes, the transmission lines are
there but they do take a certain amount of maintenance and upkeep.

If, for example you had your own oil well you couldn't sell your oil
for the same price as the current cost of gasoline.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/29/2022 5:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:17:57 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2022 3:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> I've always been frugal (cheap) and scrounge for much of my firewood.
>>> Last year, I traded 3/4 cord of semi-rotten firewood for some computer
>>> repair work. In the past, I've used construction scrap, bundled
>>> twigs, pallets, impossible to split logs, stumps, twigs, sawdust,
>>> rolled newsprint, etc.
>
>> I can't find it online, but ISTR an article from some years ago about a
>> man who heated his entire home by burning newspapers he subscribed to.
>
> "Heating a house with rolled newspapers"
> <https://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1217/121753.html>
>
> "How To: Make Fire Logs from Newspaper"
> <https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-make-newspaper-logs/>
>
>> These days I guess you'd do that using heat from one's electronic
>> device. Much more difficult.
>
> Daily delivery of the local fish wrapper is $143/year.
> <https://newsrates.com/product/the-santa-cruz-sentinel/>
> My guess(tm) is at least 17 newspaper logs per day to keep the
> temperature about 10C above ambient (assuming R19 insulation). For a
> burn season of 6 months, that would be:
> 1 papers * $143/subscription/year = $143/year
> plus
> 16 papers * 1/2 year * $143/subscription/year = $1,144/year
> $143 + $1,144 = $1,287/year
> or about the cost of 2 cords of firewood. Kinda sounds like beak even
> if one has to pay for a subscription. However, it might be useful for
> a newspaper hoarder:
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=newspaper+hoarder&tbm=isch>
>
>
>
>

Might be reasonable depending on the climate. The Sunday
version is usually much heftier than weekdays and one might
stack up the spring-summer-early autumn copies until the
weather turns. Here, it would be just silly but in a milder
climate, maybe.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/30/2022 3:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> I'm surrounded by redwoods and douglas fir trees up to 200 ft high. I
> have a single 90 watt solar panel on my roof that keeps a backup
> battery charged. It works well in the summer, and doesn't work the
> rest of the year.

My wife has an addiction to solar powered garden lights. They're
inexpensive, but seem to have a surprisingly short lifetime.

When yet another dies, I try to resuscitate it. The first failure is
usually corrosion of the battery contacts. I clean those up and coat
them with petroleum jelly to retard corrosion.

Next failure is usually the on-off switch, which never made sense to me
anyway. Do people really root around in their gardens to turn off their
solar lights? So I bypass the switches.

Occasionally I've found a battery has gone bad. I've fixed some of those
with batteries cannibalized from previous failures.

After that, it seems to be either the LED itself or some black magic
attacking the simple onboard electronics. At that point I disassemble
the unit, but I always save the little solar cell.

I'm hoping to someday power my entire house with solar cells scavenged
from garden lights.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/30/2022 12:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

> Y'er right if I ignore the CARE program, adjustments, various other
> discounts, and my marginal arithmetic. At some point in the distant
> past, $0.20/kw-hr is what I was using for guesstimates. While I
> recover from my cooking, might as well grind the numbers.
> rest of the year.

Yeah, I didn't take into account CARE.

One reason that municipally owned utilities like Silicon Valley Power
and City of Palo Alto, have much lower rates is that unlike PG&E (and
the community choice providers in PG&E territory) they cover a small
geographic area with not a lot of low-income residents so ratepayers in
a wealthy area aren't subsidizing a large number of rate payers in a
poor area.

Solar installations aren't that popular in cities with municipally-owned
electric utilities with low electricity rates, at least not if the
incentive to install solar is solely to reduce electricity costs.

On 1/30/2022 12:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> As I recall, the idea was to subsidize home solar power generation
> until such systems are widespread and affordable. I don't recall the
> criteria. PG&E is now claiming that this point has been reached and
> that the subsidy is no longer necessary. I think the next step will
> be when they install community battery banks and charge rate payers
> for storing the surplus solar generated electricity. The alternative
> is for existing home solar systems to disconnect their systems from
> the grid and switch to local battery storage. Today's LiIon batteries
> aren't good enough. LiFePO4 looks promising but is currently too
> expensive. Lots of other battery technologies are possible. (Note: I
> haven't been keeping up to date on this).

One argument that the investor-owner utilities are using in their
attempt to get the solar reimbursement rates changed is that those with
solar tend to be more well-off people living in single family homes.
Low-income people are getting discounts through CARE. That leaves the
middle to subsidize both the solar customers and the CARE customers.

As much as I personally benefit from the current system, with retail
reimbursement of KWH I put onto the grid, it's obvious that as more
people put in solar that is putting KWH back on the grid, the retail
reimbursement is not going to be viable. If PG&E is paying wholesalers
4¢/KWH, and homeowner with solar 44¢/KWH (peak baseline on my E-6 rate
plan) then someone else needs to be paying the cost of maintaining the grid.

On 1/30/2022 1:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:10:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/30/2022 3:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm surrounded by redwoods and douglas fir trees up to 200 ft high. I
>>> have a single 90 watt solar panel on my roof that keeps a backup
>>> battery charged. It works well in the summer, and doesn't work the
>>> rest of the year.
>>
>> My wife has an addiction to solar powered garden lights. They're
>> inexpensive, but seem to have a surprisingly short lifetime.
>
> Not surprising. The cheap garden lights use NiCd or NiMH AAA cells
> for powering a tiny LED light. These cells are only good for 300-500
> charge cycles. Every day, the sun charges the cells, and every night
> the LED discharges the cells. After 300-500 cycles (one or two
> years), the batteries are dead. If the garden light was powered with
> a single LiFePO4 cell, it would be good for maybe 2,000 cycles (5.5
> years). However, the cost of the cell and charge controller would
> greatly increase to about $12/ea.
>
> "What's inside a dollar store solar garden light"
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acAYQ2chJ8U>
> Here's the data sheet on the switching regulator chip found inside:
> <https://cdn.datasheetspdf.com/pdf-down/Y/X/8/YX805-Shiningic.pdf>
> Most of the authors description of the electronics are wrong.
>
>> When yet another dies, I try to resuscitate it. The first failure is
>> usually corrosion of the battery contacts. I clean those up and coat
>> them with petroleum jelly to retard corrosion.
>
> If the NiCd or NiMH cell is leaking, my guess(tm) is that it's due to
> overcharging. That could be bad design or a self destruct mechanism
> intended to inspire you to purchase a disposable replacement. A
> friend showed me a garden light with spot welded cells that were
> difficult to replace.
>
>> Next failure is usually the on-off switch, which never made sense to me
>> anyway. Do people really root around in their gardens to turn off their
>> solar lights? So I bypass the switches.
>
> The on-off switch is to comply with transportation regulations that
> require all electronics to be shipped with the power turned off. Since
> the battery cannot easily be removed by the buyer, a switch was added.
>
>> Occasionally I've found a battery has gone bad. I've fixed some of those
>> with batteries cannibalized from previous failures.
>
> Replacement cells are cheaply available on eBay.
> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/154789359727>
>
>> After that, it seems to be either the LED itself or some black magic
>> attacking the simple onboard electronics. At that point I disassemble
>> the unit, but I always save the little solar cell.
>
> The LED is being powered at well below its rated maximum. Therefore,
> I doubt the LED is failing. My guess is water got into the copper
> wiring via capillary action and corroded the copper.
>
>> I'm hoping to someday power my entire house with solar cells scavenged
>>from garden lights.
>
> I can calculate the number of cells needed, but I suspect you don't
> really want to know. Maybe use the solar cells to power your bicycle
> lighting so you can replace your dynamo?
>

I used to think those were dippy and wasteful but I pass a
small hillside country cemetery on a regular basis in
evening hours and they are cute in their own way; not too
bright, all different colors. And especially weird for
graves 150~200 years old, lit by their modern descendants.

https://www.findagrave.com/cemetery/87574/memorial-search#srp-top

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/30/2022 3:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/30/2022 1:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:10:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/30/2022 3:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm surrounded by redwoods and douglas fir trees up to 200 ft high.  I
>>>> have a single 90 watt solar panel on my roof that keeps a backup
>>>> battery charged.  It works well in the summer, and doesn't work the
>>>> rest of the year.
>>>
>>> My wife has an addiction to solar powered garden lights. They're
>>> inexpensive, but seem to have a surprisingly short lifetime.
>>
>> Not surprising.  The cheap garden lights use NiCd or NiMH AAA cells
>> for powering a tiny LED light.  These cells are only good for 300-500
>> charge cycles.  Every day, the sun charges the cells, and every night
>> the LED discharges the cells.  After 300-500 cycles (one or two
>> years), the batteries are dead.  If the garden light was powered with
>> a single LiFePO4 cell, it would be good for maybe 2,000 cycles (5.5
>> years).  However, the cost of the cell and charge controller would
>> greatly increase to about $12/ea.
>>
>> "What's inside a dollar store solar garden light"
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acAYQ2chJ8U>
>> Here's the data sheet on the switching regulator chip found inside:
>> <https://cdn.datasheetspdf.com/pdf-down/Y/X/8/YX805-Shiningic.pdf>
>> Most of the authors description of the electronics are wrong.
>>
>>> When yet another dies, I try to resuscitate it. The first failure is
>>> usually corrosion of the battery contacts. I clean those up and coat
>>> them with petroleum jelly to retard corrosion.
>>
>> If the NiCd or NiMH cell is leaking, my guess(tm) is that it's due to
>> overcharging.  That could be bad design or a self destruct mechanism
>> intended to inspire you to purchase a disposable replacement.  A
>> friend showed me a garden light with spot welded cells that were
>> difficult to replace.
>>
>>> Next failure is usually the on-off switch, which never made sense to me
>>> anyway. Do people really root around in their gardens to turn off their
>>> solar lights? So I bypass the switches.
>>
>> The on-off switch is to comply with transportation regulations that
>> require all electronics to be shipped with the power turned off. Since
>> the battery cannot easily be removed by the buyer, a switch was added.
>>
>>> Occasionally I've found a battery has gone bad. I've fixed some of those
>>> with batteries cannibalized from previous failures.
>>
>> Replacement cells are cheaply available on eBay.
>> <https://www.ebay.com/itm/154789359727>
>>
>>> After that, it seems to be either the LED itself or some black magic
>>> attacking the simple onboard electronics. At that point I disassemble
>>> the unit, but I always save the little solar cell.
>>
>> The LED is being powered at well below its rated maximum.  Therefore,
>> I doubt the LED is failing.  My guess is water got into the copper
>> wiring via capillary action and corroded the copper.
>>
>>> I'm hoping to someday power my entire house with solar cells scavenged
>>> from garden lights.
>>
>> I can calculate the number of cells needed, but I suspect you don't
>> really want to know.  Maybe use the solar cells to power your bicycle
>> lighting so you can replace your dynamo?
>>
>
> I used to think those were dippy and wasteful but I pass a small
> hillside country cemetery on a regular basis in evening hours and they
> are cute in their own way; not too bright, all different colors.

I'm actually a "dark sky" fan. Talked yesterday with a good friend on
vacation who said "We can actually see the Milky Way from here!" - a
rare pleasure these days.

So I'm opposed to excess outdoor lighting, a lost cause where I live,
although these glimmering things are not a problem. But it doesn't
matter. She likes them; I buy them and repair them.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/30/2022 2:11 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:10:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>> Next failure is usually the on-off switch, which never made sense to me
>> anyway. Do people really root around in their gardens to turn off their
>> solar lights? So I bypass the switches.
>
> The on-off switch is to comply with transportation regulations that
> require all electronics to be shipped with the power turned off. Since
> the battery cannot easily be removed by the buyer, a switch was added.
I briefly wondered about that, but then remembered many devices I've
bought where one battery terminal was insulated by a thin bit of
plastic. The purchaser pulled a tab to slide it out. Saved the
manufacturer 2 cents!

- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:34:46 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/29/2022 5:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:17:57 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/29/2022 3:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've always been frugal (cheap) and scrounge for much of my firewood.
>>>> Last year, I traded 3/4 cord of semi-rotten firewood for some computer
>>>> repair work. In the past, I've used construction scrap, bundled
>>>> twigs, pallets, impossible to split logs, stumps, twigs, sawdust,
>>>> rolled newsprint, etc.
>>
>>> I can't find it online, but ISTR an article from some years ago about a
>>> man who heated his entire home by burning newspapers he subscribed to.
>>
>> "Heating a house with rolled newspapers"
>> <https://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1217/121753.html>
>>
>> "How To: Make Fire Logs from Newspaper"
>> <https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-make-newspaper-logs/>
>>
>>> These days I guess you'd do that using heat from one's electronic
>>> device. Much more difficult.
>>
>> Daily delivery of the local fish wrapper is $143/year.
>> <https://newsrates.com/product/the-santa-cruz-sentinel/>
>> My guess(tm) is at least 17 newspaper logs per day to keep the
>> temperature about 10C above ambient (assuming R19 insulation). For a
>> burn season of 6 months, that would be:
>> 1 papers * $143/subscription/year = $143/year
>> plus
>> 16 papers * 1/2 year * $143/subscription/year = $1,144/year
>> $143 + $1,144 = $1,287/year
>> or about the cost of 2 cords of firewood. Kinda sounds like beak even
>> if one has to pay for a subscription. However, it might be useful for
>> a newspaper hoarder:
>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=newspaper+hoarder&tbm=isch>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>Might be reasonable depending on the climate. The Sunday
>version is usually much heftier than weekdays and one might
>stack up the spring-summer-early autumn copies until the
>weather turns. Here, it would be just silly but in a milder
>climate, maybe.

But do y'all still have "newspapers" back there? I haven't seen an
actual news paper here in, probably 10, maybe 15 years. In fact I was
bemoaning the shortage of newspapers to my wife just a day or so ago
as they were very useful for masking or just laying on the floor to
catch "blobs" when you are paint the lawn fur nature.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 11:10:27 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/30/2022 3:04 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>
>> I'm surrounded by redwoods and douglas fir trees up to 200 ft high. I
>> have a single 90 watt solar panel on my roof that keeps a backup
>> battery charged. It works well in the summer, and doesn't work the
>> rest of the year.
>
>My wife has an addiction to solar powered garden lights. They're
>inexpensive, but seem to have a surprisingly short lifetime.
>
>When yet another dies, I try to resuscitate it. The first failure is
>usually corrosion of the battery contacts. I clean those up and coat
>them with petroleum jelly to retard corrosion.
>
>Next failure is usually the on-off switch, which never made sense to me
>anyway. Do people really root around in their gardens to turn off their
>solar lights? So I bypass the switches.
>
>Occasionally I've found a battery has gone bad. I've fixed some of those
>with batteries cannibalized from previous failures.
>
>After that, it seems to be either the LED itself or some black magic
>attacking the simple onboard electronics. At that point I disassemble
>the unit, but I always save the little solar cell.
>
>I'm hoping to someday power my entire house with solar cells scavenged
>from garden lights.

I'm somewhat addicted to solar lights also. I've got a pair set up on
the "gate posts" at the "front of the house" driveway that have been
working for at least two years. The one's I have no separate on and
off switch and are more of less "sealed" with the solar cell on the
top and are apparently waterproof.

My wife has some smaller ones on the shrine to the house gods and
those are somewhat smaller version of the lamp post ones. No switch,
solar panel in the top with the light below and again have lasted for
abut 2 years and are still going strong.

My experience has been that they last 3 years or so and then gradually
either the battery dies or the solar panel doesn't fully charge the
battery and they no longer last the night and I simply throw them away
as they are pretty cheap here.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/30/2022 4:46 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Jan 2022 09:34:46 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/29/2022 5:15 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 29 Jan 2022 16:17:57 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/29/2022 3:16 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've always been frugal (cheap) and scrounge for much of my firewood.
>>>>> Last year, I traded 3/4 cord of semi-rotten firewood for some computer
>>>>> repair work. In the past, I've used construction scrap, bundled
>>>>> twigs, pallets, impossible to split logs, stumps, twigs, sawdust,
>>>>> rolled newsprint, etc.
>>>
>>>> I can't find it online, but ISTR an article from some years ago about a
>>>> man who heated his entire home by burning newspapers he subscribed to.
>>>
>>> "Heating a house with rolled newspapers"
>>> <https://www.csmonitor.com/1980/1217/121753.html>
>>>
>>> "How To: Make Fire Logs from Newspaper"
>>> <https://www.bobvila.com/articles/how-to-make-newspaper-logs/>
>>>
>>>> These days I guess you'd do that using heat from one's electronic
>>>> device. Much more difficult.
>>>
>>> Daily delivery of the local fish wrapper is $143/year.
>>> <https://newsrates.com/product/the-santa-cruz-sentinel/>
>>> My guess(tm) is at least 17 newspaper logs per day to keep the
>>> temperature about 10C above ambient (assuming R19 insulation). For a
>>> burn season of 6 months, that would be:
>>> 1 papers * $143/subscription/year = $143/year
>>> plus
>>> 16 papers * 1/2 year * $143/subscription/year = $1,144/year
>>> $143 + $1,144 = $1,287/year
>>> or about the cost of 2 cords of firewood. Kinda sounds like beak even
>>> if one has to pay for a subscription. However, it might be useful for
>>> a newspaper hoarder:
>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=newspaper+hoarder&tbm=isch>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Might be reasonable depending on the climate. The Sunday
>> version is usually much heftier than weekdays and one might
>> stack up the spring-summer-early autumn copies until the
>> weather turns. Here, it would be just silly but in a milder
>> climate, maybe.
>
> But do y'all still have "newspapers" back there? I haven't seen an
> actual news paper here in, probably 10, maybe 15 years. In fact I was
> bemoaning the shortage of newspapers to my wife just a day or so ago
> as they were very useful for masking or just laying on the floor to
> catch "blobs" when you are paint the lawn fur nature.
>

I read two daily papers and a weekly on Dead Tree Media.
However you're right- when I have a missed delivery it's
daunting to find a newsstand or bodega with papers now.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.

OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
posting.

We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
live people to vote for him.

No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
>
> OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> posting.
>
> We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> live people to vote for him.
>
> No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.

"no shirt
no shoes
no vax
no service"

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:34:06 AM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
>
> OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> posting.
>
> We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> live people to vote for him.
>
> No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.
Scharf, when someone that is a wannabe politicians that doesn't know shit from shinola about the CDC statistics perhaps you should keep your mouth shut. Your postings will make very good ammunitition for any time you think that you can run for office again.

On 1/31/2022 1:34 PM, sms wrote:
> On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not
>> reliable. Don't
>> use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
>
> OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd
> have to stop posting.
>
> We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many
> right-wing lunatics buying into all the conspiracy theories,
> citing fake data, promoting fake cures and opposing masks.
> Even Trump has been urging people to get vaccinated,
> probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> live people to vote for him.
>
> No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs
> to be consequences for those that decide to "own the libs"
> by contributing to the spread of Covid by not getting
> vaccinated. They can stay in their own homes and cars, but
> unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed to be in
> publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes,
> cruise ships, public transportation, etc. until the pandemic
> is completely over. They also should be paying more for
> health insurance than regular people.

The mRNA shot is not a vaccine, in that it doesn't prevent
repeated contracting or spread. It does reduce mortality,
which is a good thing. That effect is temporary. And, oh by
the way, side effects are significant in some groups:

https://www.physiciansweekly.com/vaers-data-confirm-myocarditis-risk-after-mrna-vaccine/

https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/11/army-surgeon-says-military-ignored-her-warnings-over-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> >
> > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > posting.
> >
> > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > live people to vote for him.
> >
> > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.
> "no shirt
> no shoes
> no vax
> no service"

Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word? Masks do not work, social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus, rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count. Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything. There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness. The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76.

Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be, people are going to do to you?

Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid? Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved. After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002. Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore. Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right? When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?

If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known. Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other, a failed politician and and a failed technician

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:16:58 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/31/2022 1:34 PM, sms wrote:
> > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not
> >> reliable. Don't
> >> use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> >
> > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd
> > have to stop posting.
> >
> > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many
> > right-wing lunatics buying into all the conspiracy theories,
> > citing fake data, promoting fake cures and opposing masks.
> > Even Trump has been urging people to get vaccinated,
> > probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > live people to vote for him.
> >
> > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs
> > to be consequences for those that decide to "own the libs"
> > by contributing to the spread of Covid by not getting
> > vaccinated. They can stay in their own homes and cars, but
> > unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed to be in
> > publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes,
> > cruise ships, public transportation, etc. until the pandemic
> > is completely over. They also should be paying more for
> > health insurance than regular people.
> The mRNA shot is not a vaccine, in that it doesn't prevent
> repeated contracting or spread. It does reduce mortality,
> which is a good thing. That effect is temporary. And, oh by
> the way, side effects are significant in some groups:
>
> https://www.physiciansweekly.com/vaers-data-confirm-myocarditis-risk-after-mrna-vaccine/
>
> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/11/army-surgeon-says-military-ignored-her-warnings-over-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/
Op! now you're done it. Jeff just cried that VAERS data is no good. Well, he said, "unreliable" but he actually meant that it was false and getting worse. This is the same Jeff that predicted no rain in February in January. He is sort of on equal footing to the news caster this morning who in a warning voice said that "We are presently down to just 100% normal rainfall." Didn't mention that the Snow pack is not only far above normal but has a 13% higher than normal water content. Most of northern California's drinking water comes from the snowpack.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 12:17:44 PM UTC-8, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> > >
> > > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > > posting.
> > >
> > > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > > live people to vote for him.
> > >
> > > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.
> > "no shirt
> > no shoes
> > no vax
> > no service"
> Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word? Masks do not work, social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus, rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count. Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything. There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness. The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76.
>
> Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be, people are going to do to you?
>
> Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid? Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved. After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002. Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore. Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right? When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?
>
> If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known. Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other, a failed politician and and a failed technician

Here's more of Jeff's unreliable VAERS data. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html

Oh, wait, didn't I say that since I designed and programmed the PCR automation I knew that you couldn't identify corona viruses using PCR and especially using a 40 cycle reproduction rate that could find a corona virus in drinking water.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:17:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> > >
> > > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > > posting.
> > >
> > > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > > live people to vote for him.
> > >
> > > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people.
> > "no shirt
> > no shoes
> > no vax
> > no service"
>
> Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word?

No, they haven't, in fact the opposite is true, you've been shown repeatedly that they continue to refute every claim you've made.

> Masks do not work

There is no report from the CDC stating that. The report you like to trot out isn't from the CDC, you brain-dead twit, it's from a chinese college student. There is no information from the CDC stating masks don't work.

> Social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus

There is no report from the CDC stating that.

> rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count.

There is no report from the CDC stating that. You don't have the capacity to understand the actual "excess deaths" data.

> Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything.

Blatant lies spurted at you from the Qanon phallus that you eagerly lap up.

> There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition

Blatant lie. The CDC data states 32% had no underlying conditions
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjL6pb79Nz1AhUpkIkEHZwFCDEQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fvaccines%2Facip%2Fmeetings%2Fdownloads%2Fslides-2021-11-2-3%2F03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf&usg=AOvVaw020kr0pSRNZHxExt1Fh5m6

> and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness.

Blatant lie, it's well documented,
"a November 2021 study conducted by Harvard researchers again confirmed that children carry live virus capable of infecting others."
https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids

> The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76.

It doesn't help you to make shit up, sparky.

> Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and
> you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be,
> people are going to do to you?

Considering idiots like you are the only ones who buy into your bullshit, I really couldn't give a flying fuck what you people think - or what you think they are "going to do to me" - they'll probably crawl back into the little shitholes they crawled out of.

>
> Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid?
> Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they
> built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown
> area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved.

So? What does the fact that they haven't moved a tide marker mean? I think it's more likely you read an article saying that they haven't moved them in 100 years, and they are almost constantly below water now, but you're such a deceitful shitbag you're deliberately leaving out that information.

> After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002.
> Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore.

1) No one ever said the Marquesan Islands would be under water
2) I'd ask you for a link explaining the alleged 3 foot rise, but I know you'll come you'll come up short like usual.

> Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right?

Yes, everytime I have any interaction with you, I'm always right, and you're always wrong (except for claiming jobst published your address).

> When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever

Because it _was_ the hottest year on record, and you _still_ don't understand the difference between weather and climate.

> and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?

BZZZZT. Wrong again:"By early January 2022, Arctic sea ice extent, while well below average, was within the lowest decile of recorded extents of the 1981 to 2010 reference period."
https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/

> If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known.

well, In addition to everything above, there's also the fact that PWM is not used to test cables, "light line" is a term that only exists in your deluded mind, the north won most of the civil war battels before the emancipation proclamation including the most important ones, Barack Obama did _not_ inherit a good economy, my oh my, I could go on and on.

> Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand
> for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other,
> a failed politician and and a failed technician

Hmmm....still gainfully employed engineer versus a technical hack who could never keep a jon for a year....
shut the fuck up tommy

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:14:08 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:38:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Here's more of Jeff's unreliable VAERS data. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
> VAERS is not mentioned in the above CDC report from July 21, 2021.
> >Oh, wait, didn't I say that since I designed and programmed the PCR automation I knew that you couldn't identify corona viruses using PCR and especially using a 40 cycle reproduction rate that could find a corona virus in drinking water.
> Has medical research and technology stopped and hasn't progressed
> since since you were involved in PCR automation? Good to know.
>
> "Fact check: CDC is withdrawing its PCR COVID-19 test, but not because
> it confuses viruses"
> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/30/fact-check-cdcs-pcr-test-withdrawn-after-dec-31/9053100002/>
>
> "Fact Check-The CDC did not say PCR tests are incapable of detecting
> COVID-19"
> <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-testingguidance/fact-check-the-cdc-did-not-say-pcr-tests-are-incapable-of-detecting-covid-19-idUSL1N2TG0QW>
>
> "Viral Posts Misrepresent CDC Announcement on COVID-19 PCR Test"
> <https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-viral-posts-misrepresent-cdc-announcement-on-covid-19-pcr-test/>
> "But the CDC did not say it was no longer supporting the use of PCR
> tests in general, many of which have been authorized by the FDA - or
> that its original PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 can’t tell the difference
> between coronavirus and influenza - as viral posts spreading online
> falsely claim."

Listen you little boot licking cripple - you know nothing about anything so why do you insist on making comments pretending that you do know something? I spent 50 years in science with most of them in medical and laboratory research and development. Not only have I been right but Dr. Scott Atlas, who quit the Presidents advisory panel because the only one that had a say was Fauci just gave an hour and 50 minute speech to Hillsdale College repeating most of what I have said. This is TWO years into this phony pandemic and despite you being wrong at every turn you're still striving to continue your lie in the face of ever single fact being against you.

Let's see how accurate your prediction of no rain in the bay are in February is. I'm still chuckling how you tried to find my name on the NASA employees list when I worked for a subcontractor at the time and said so. You are really slow and getting worse.

By the way why didn't you refer to the actual CDC page about PCR instead of "fact check" who couldn't check a fact if it was whether or not they have a venereal disease? https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers

You are no better than flunky and slow johnny that have nothing but google and no personal knowledge at all So you surf through that mass of misinformation until you find absolutely anything that will support your wilted brain.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:17:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> > > >
> > > > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > > > posting.
> > > >
> > > > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > > > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > > > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > > > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > > > live people to vote for him.
> > > >
> > > > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > > > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > > > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > > > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > > > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > > > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > > > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > > > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people..
> > > "no shirt
> > > no shoes
> > > no vax
> > > no service"
> >
> > Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word?
> No, they haven't, in fact the opposite is true, you've been shown repeatedly that they continue to refute every claim you've made.
>
> > Masks do not work
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. The report you like to trot out isn't from the CDC, you brain-dead twit, it's from a chinese college student. There is no information from the CDC stating masks don't work.
>
> > Social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that.
> > rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count.
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. You don't have the capacity to understand the actual "excess deaths" data.
> > Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything.
> Blatant lies spurted at you from the Qanon phallus that you eagerly lap up.
> > There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition
> Blatant lie. The CDC data states 32% had no underlying conditions
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjL6pb79Nz1AhUpkIkEHZwFCDEQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fvaccines%2Facip%2Fmeetings%2Fdownloads%2Fslides-2021-11-2-3%2F03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf&usg=AOvVaw020kr0pSRNZHxExt1Fh5m6
> > and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness.
> Blatant lie, it's well documented,
> "a November 2021 study conducted by Harvard researchers again confirmed that children carry live virus capable of infecting others."
> https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids
> > The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76..
> It doesn't help you to make shit up, sparky.
> > Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and
> > you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be,
> > people are going to do to you?
> Considering idiots like you are the only ones who buy into your bullshit, I really couldn't give a flying fuck what you people think - or what you think they are "going to do to me" - they'll probably crawl back into the little shitholes they crawled out of.
> >
> > Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid?
> > Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they
> > built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown
> > area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved.
> So? What does the fact that they haven't moved a tide marker mean? I think it's more likely you read an article saying that they haven't moved them in 100 years, and they are almost constantly below water now, but you're such a deceitful shitbag you're deliberately leaving out that information.
> > After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002.
> > Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore.
> 1) No one ever said the Marquesan Islands would be under water
> 2) I'd ask you for a link explaining the alleged 3 foot rise, but I know you'll come you'll come up short like usual.
> > Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right?
> Yes, everytime I have any interaction with you, I'm always right, and you're always wrong (except for claiming jobst published your address).
> > When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever
> Because it _was_ the hottest year on record, and you _still_ don't understand the difference between weather and climate.
> > and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?
> BZZZZT. Wrong again:"By early January 2022, Arctic sea ice extent, while well below average, was within the lowest decile of recorded extents of the 1981 to 2010 reference period."
> https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
> > If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known.
> well, In addition to everything above, there's also the fact that PWM is not used to test cables, "light line" is a term that only exists in your deluded mind, the north won most of the civil war battels before the emancipation proclamation including the most important ones, Barack Obama did _not_ inherit a good economy, my oh my, I could go on and on.
> > Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand
> > for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other,
> > a failed politician and and a failed technician
> Hmmm....still gainfully employed engineer versus a technical hack who could never keep a jon for a year....
> shut the fuck up tommy

I have only explained dozens of times how to get the information from the CDC showing "Total number above average by cause" which at the latest update shows 7,031, but that is beyond your ability to comprehend. I suppose that UC Bolder should remove your so-called degree which I don't believe for one second.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:17:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> > > >
> > > > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > > > posting.
> > > >
> > > > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > > > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > > > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > > > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > > > live people to vote for him.
> > > >
> > > > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > > > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > > > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > > > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > > > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > > > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > > > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > > > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people..
> > > "no shirt
> > > no shoes
> > > no vax
> > > no service"
> >
> > Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word?
> No, they haven't, in fact the opposite is true, you've been shown repeatedly that they continue to refute every claim you've made.
>
> > Masks do not work
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. The report you like to trot out isn't from the CDC, you brain-dead twit, it's from a chinese college student. There is no information from the CDC stating masks don't work.
>
> > Social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that.
> > rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count.
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. You don't have the capacity to understand the actual "excess deaths" data.
> > Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything.
> Blatant lies spurted at you from the Qanon phallus that you eagerly lap up.
> > There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition
> Blatant lie. The CDC data states 32% had no underlying conditions
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjL6pb79Nz1AhUpkIkEHZwFCDEQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fvaccines%2Facip%2Fmeetings%2Fdownloads%2Fslides-2021-11-2-3%2F03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf&usg=AOvVaw020kr0pSRNZHxExt1Fh5m6
> > and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness.
> Blatant lie, it's well documented,
> "a November 2021 study conducted by Harvard researchers again confirmed that children carry live virus capable of infecting others."
> https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids
> > The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76..
> It doesn't help you to make shit up, sparky.
> > Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and
> > you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be,
> > people are going to do to you?
> Considering idiots like you are the only ones who buy into your bullshit, I really couldn't give a flying fuck what you people think - or what you think they are "going to do to me" - they'll probably crawl back into the little shitholes they crawled out of.
> >
> > Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid?
> > Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they
> > built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown
> > area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved.
> So? What does the fact that they haven't moved a tide marker mean? I think it's more likely you read an article saying that they haven't moved them in 100 years, and they are almost constantly below water now, but you're such a deceitful shitbag you're deliberately leaving out that information.
> > After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002.
> > Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore.
> 1) No one ever said the Marquesan Islands would be under water
> 2) I'd ask you for a link explaining the alleged 3 foot rise, but I know you'll come you'll come up short like usual.
> > Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right?
> Yes, everytime I have any interaction with you, I'm always right, and you're always wrong (except for claiming jobst published your address).
> > When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever
> Because it _was_ the hottest year on record, and you _still_ don't understand the difference between weather and climate.
> > and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?
> BZZZZT. Wrong again:"By early January 2022, Arctic sea ice extent, while well below average, was within the lowest decile of recorded extents of the 1981 to 2010 reference period."
> https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
> > If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known.
> well, In addition to everything above, there's also the fact that PWM is not used to test cables, "light line" is a term that only exists in your deluded mind, the north won most of the civil war battels before the emancipation proclamation including the most important ones, Barack Obama did _not_ inherit a good economy, my oh my, I could go on and on.
> > Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand
> > for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other,
> > a failed politician and and a failed technician
> Hmmm....still gainfully employed engineer versus a technical hack who could never keep a jon for a year....
> shut the fuck up tommy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=biC4nHPYtbA

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:01:22 PM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 3:17:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 11:37:18 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 2:34:06 PM UTC-5, sms wrote:
> > > > On 1/19/2022 3:28 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > >
> > > > <snip>
> > > >
> > > > > Short version: VAERS data is crowd sourced and not reliable. Don't
> > > > > use it to establish either Covid-19 causes or effects.
> > > >
> > > > OMG, please don't suggest that Tom use reliable data, he'd have to stop
> > > > posting.
> > > >
> > > > We'd be done with Covid already if not for so many right-wing lunatics
> > > > buying into all the conspiracy theories, citing fake data, promoting
> > > > fake cures and opposing masks. Even Trump has been urging people to get
> > > > vaccinated, probably realizing that if he wants to run again he needs
> > > > live people to vote for him.
> > > >
> > > > No one should be forced to get vaccinated, but there needs to be
> > > > consequences for those that decide to "own the libs" by contributing to
> > > > the spread of Covid by not getting vaccinated. They can stay in their
> > > > own homes and cars, but unvaccinated individuals should not be allowed
> > > > to be in publicly accessible indoor locations like stores, offices,
> > > > restaurants, hotels, hospitals, airports and airplanes, cruise ships,
> > > > public transportation, etc. until the pandemic is completely over. They
> > > > also should be paying more for health insurance than regular people..
> > > "no shirt
> > > no shoes
> > > no vax
> > > no service"
> >
> > Perhaps it should be no brains, not sense, no service - this identifies you perfectly. Tell me you queer - why is it that everything I've said, the CDC is now repeating almost word for word?
> No, they haven't, in fact the opposite is true, you've been shown repeatedly that they continue to refute every claim you've made.
>
> > Masks do not work
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. The report you like to trot out isn't from the CDC, you brain-dead twit, it's from a chinese college student. There is no information from the CDC stating masks don't work.
>
> > Social distancing has no effect on an airborne virus
>
> There is no report from the CDC stating that.
> > rather than 814,000 people killed at the very most it was 7,031 at the last count.
> There is no report from the CDC stating that. You don't have the capacity to understand the actual "excess deaths" data.
> > Vaccines have killed and permanently injured more people than they have saved from anything.
> Blatant lies spurted at you from the Qanon phallus that you eagerly lap up.
> > There hasn't been a recorded case of anyone under 21 dying from covid regardless of their health condition
> Blatant lie. The CDC data states 32% had no underlying conditions
> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwjL6pb79Nz1AhUpkIkEHZwFCDEQFnoECBUQAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.cdc.gov%2Fvaccines%2Facip%2Fmeetings%2Fdownloads%2Fslides-2021-11-2-3%2F03-COVID-Jefferson-508.pdf&usg=AOvVaw020kr0pSRNZHxExt1Fh5m6
> > and they have not shown that children of school age can transmit the illness.
> Blatant lie, it's well documented,
> "a November 2021 study conducted by Harvard researchers again confirmed that children carry live virus capable of infecting others."
> https://www.health.harvard.edu/diseases-and-conditions/coronavirus-outbreak-and-kids
> > The average age of death of the few that have died from covid-19 is 82 with up to 8 comorbidities while in the USA, the average age of death is 76..
> It doesn't help you to make shit up, sparky.
> > Tell me you rotting bag of flesh - what do you suppose when this all finally sinks in and
> > you continue to shoot your mouth off like that grand expert you believe yourself to be,
> > people are going to do to you?
> Considering idiots like you are the only ones who buy into your bullshit, I really couldn't give a flying fuck what you people think - or what you think they are "going to do to me" - they'll probably crawl back into the little shitholes they crawled out of.
> >
> > Do you want to change over to man-made climate change where you're equally stupid?
> > Just a couple of days ago they were talking about the San Francisco Sea Wall that they
> > built 100 years ago so that they could place landfill and build the present Downtown
> > area. Seems as how the tide markers are the same one's placed then and haven't moved.
> So? What does the fact that they haven't moved a tide marker mean? I think it's more likely you read an article saying that they haven't moved them in 100 years, and they are almost constantly below water now, but you're such a deceitful shitbag you're deliberately leaving out that information.
> > After stupid mother's like you told us that the Marquesan Islands would be drowned by 2002.
> > Instead they are now 3 feet higher out of the water than that prediction from another of your most beloved experts - Al Gore.
> 1) No one ever said the Marquesan Islands would be under water
> 2) I'd ask you for a link explaining the alleged 3 foot rise, but I know you'll come you'll come up short like usual.
> > Tell me what, have you ever gotten one thing right?
> Yes, everytime I have any interaction with you, I'm always right, and you're always wrong (except for claiming jobst published your address).
> > When almost the entirety of the US and Europe were locked in a deep freeze why were your "experts" at NOAA saying that this was the hottest year forever
> Because it _was_ the hottest year on record, and you _still_ don't understand the difference between weather and climate.
> > and that the ice cover of the arctic was melting when in actuality the ice cover is more than in 2006?
> BZZZZT. Wrong again:"By early January 2022, Arctic sea ice extent, while well below average, was within the lowest decile of recorded extents of the 1981 to 2010 reference period."
> https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/
> > If there is anything in your life that you could get right why don't you at least try and make it known.
> well, In addition to everything above, there's also the fact that PWM is not used to test cables, "light line" is a term that only exists in your deluded mind, the north won most of the civil war battels before the emancipation proclamation including the most important ones, Barack Obama did _not_ inherit a good economy, my oh my, I could go on and on.
> > Maybe you and Scharf - the failed politician who even the far left citizens of Los Gatos can't stand
> > for his continuous string of lies and bullshit - and have a lovechild. You two were made for each other,
> > a failed politician and and a failed technician
> Hmmm....still gainfully employed engineer versus a technical hack who could never keep a jon for a year....
> shut the fuck up tommy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ukzNn1ycKkQ