On 5/12/2022 11:58 AM, William Crowell wrote:
> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>
> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
>
> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
>

As with STi versus Ergo, tastes vary.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/12/2022 12:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>>
>> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
>> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
>
> Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.
>

I was not being sarcastic. It's a wonderful cultural shift IMHO.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:07:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/12/2022 12:16 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> >> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
> >>
> >> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
> >> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
> >
> > Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you.. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.
> >
> I was not being sarcastic. It's a wonderful cultural shift IMHO.

So you want your daughter practicing free and easy sex with anyone that comes down the boardwalk and then when she discovers that she cannot find happiness in such a manner becoming psychologically depressed which can lead to suicide? Is this the wonderful world you see or are you only interested in the ease of finding a new bang while your wife is looking the other way?

If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.

Contrary to all of the books and movies showing people screwing everything that moves, the majority of people are happily (well, more or less) married and or quite moral in their outlooks. Even in the Air Force I didn't know a single person in our squadron that frequented whorehouses.

On Thu, 12 May 2022 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.
>
>Contrary to all of the books and movies showing people screwing everything that moves, the majority of people are happily (well, more or less) married and or quite moral in their outlooks. Even in the Air Force I didn't know a single person in our squadron that frequented whorehouses.

But Tommy, you brag about "going to war" on the island of Guam and one
of the overwhelming complaints that Air Force personal I knew that
were permanently assigned to Guam was... No Whorehouses!

It is hear to "frequented whorehouses" where they don't exist :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>>
>> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
>> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
>
>Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.

But, one of the basic tenets of the Abrahamic Religions is
"Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus
20:16) is one of the Ten Commandments,[1][2] widely understood as
moral imperatives by Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars.

Given that you break this commandment multiple times daily will you be
committing suicide soon?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> >> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.
> >
> >Contrary to all of the books and movies showing people screwing everything that moves, the majority of people are happily (well, more or less) married and or quite moral in their outlooks. Even in the Air Force I didn't know a single person in our squadron that frequented whorehouses.
> But Tommy, you brag about "going to war" on the island of Guam and one
> of the overwhelming complaints that Air Force personal I knew that
> were permanently assigned to Guam was... No Whorehouses!
>
> It is hear to "frequented whorehouses" where they don't exist :-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

I just watched a YouTube video about Guam. They said it was so American on Guam that you could not distinguish it from any other US suburb or state in the good old US of A. Shopping malls stuffed with your favorite American stores. USA dollars of course is the currency. It is 110% American on Guam. Except of course it is many thousands of miles away from the USA. Even Hawaii. Territory way over there in the Pacific Ocean. Used as a military base to spy on those evil Chinese and Vietnamese and Philippines and whoever else is evil over there. And I think all the Guam people are official USA citizens like Puerto Rico. But have zero representation in the government. Just like Washington DC.

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 6:18:36 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> >> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
> >>
> >> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
> >> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
> >
> >Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.
> But, one of the basic tenets of the Abrahamic Religions is
> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus
> 20:16) is one of the Ten Commandments,[1][2] widely understood as
> moral imperatives by Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars.
>
> Given that you break this commandment multiple times daily will you be
> committing suicide soon?
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

What exactly does bearing false witness against your neighbor mean? You can't lie about your neighbor? Immediate next door neighbor, but not the one two houses down. So for Tommy, since none of us are his immediate neighbor, Thank all the Gods!!!!! He thinks he can in good conscience lie to all of us. And be sin free, if that matters to him. But Jeff lives in California like Tommy. So maybe if you expand that neighbor thing a bit, Jeff might be Tommy's neighbor. And when Tommy commits lies against Jeff, he is breaking the vows or laws or clauses. Tommy is a sinner when he lies to Jeff..

On Thu, 12 May 2022 22:50:24 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 5:44:54 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 11:41:18 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 11:36:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> >> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.
>> >
>> >Contrary to all of the books and movies showing people screwing everything that moves, the majority of people are happily (well, more or less) married and or quite moral in their outlooks. Even in the Air Force I didn't know a single person in our squadron that frequented whorehouses.
>> But Tommy, you brag about "going to war" on the island of Guam and one
>> of the overwhelming complaints that Air Force personal I knew that
>> were permanently assigned to Guam was... No Whorehouses!
>>
>> It is hear to "frequented whorehouses" where they don't exist :-)
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>I just watched a YouTube video about Guam. They said it was so American on Guam that you could not distinguish it from any other US suburb or state in the good old US of A. Shopping malls stuffed with your favorite American stores. USA dollars of course is the currency. It is 110% American on Guam. Except of course it is many thousands of miles away from the USA. Even Hawaii. Territory way over there in the Pacific Ocean. Used as a military base to spy on those evil Chinese and Vietnamese and Philippines and whoever else is evil over there. And I think all the Guam people are official USA citizens like Puerto Rico. But have zero representation in the government. Just like Washington DC.

Back in the day... pre Vietnam Days, it was considered by most of the
Air Force as being a hardship assignment. I may be wrong... it has
been a long time... but I think I remember that it was only a 1 year
tour.
The Guamanians were not particularly friendly, probably from being
exposed to the Military and as a result women were essentially
unobtainable.

Tommy, by the way, was only there on Temporary Duty for a relatively
short length of time.

But, of course, it has all changed and I believe it is now a resort
location.

Along those lines I worked with a bloke who, back in 1945, or
thereabouts, bought some property on Guam thinking that maybe he might
retire there. He paid something like $1,000 for a swatch of beach
front. I worked with him in about 1973 - 4 and he showed me a letter
from a Japanese Hotel chain offering to buy his property for
$250,000.... he didn't sell :-) I was nagging him about not taking
$250,000 and he said that well, he was doing all right at the present
(High Voltage Electrician, working overseas) and it wouldn't get any
cheaper by the time he decided to retire.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 12 May 2022 22:57:59 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 6:18:36 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>> >> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>> >>
>> >> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
>> >> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
>> >
>> >Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.
>> But, one of the basic tenets of the Abrahamic Religions is
>> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus
>> 20:16) is one of the Ten Commandments,[1][2] widely understood as
>> moral imperatives by Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars.
>>
>> Given that you break this commandment multiple times daily will you be
>> committing suicide soon?
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>What exactly does bearing false witness against your neighbor mean? You can't lie about your neighbor? Immediate next door neighbor, but not the one two houses down. So for Tommy, since none of us are his immediate neighbor, Thank all the Gods!!!!! He thinks he can in good conscience lie to all of us. And be sin free, if that matters to him. But Jeff lives in California like Tommy. So maybe if you expand that neighbor thing a bit, Jeff might be Tommy's neighbor. And when Tommy commits lies against Jeff, he is breaking the vows or laws or clauses. Tommy is a sinner when he lies to Jeff.

Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
difference never the less.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/13/2022 4:05 AM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 12 May 2022 22:57:59 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
> <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 6:18:36 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 10:16:43 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
>>>>> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>>>>>
>>>>> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
>>>>> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.
>>>>
>>>> Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.
>>> But, one of the basic tenets of the Abrahamic Religions is
>>> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus
>>> 20:16) is one of the Ten Commandments,[1][2] widely understood as
>>> moral imperatives by Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars.
>>>
>>> Given that you break this commandment multiple times daily will you be
>>> committing suicide soon?
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> John B.
>>
>> What exactly does bearing false witness against your neighbor mean? You can't lie about your neighbor? Immediate next door neighbor, but not the one two houses down. So for Tommy, since none of us are his immediate neighbor, Thank all the Gods!!!!! He thinks he can in good conscience lie to all of us. And be sin free, if that matters to him. But Jeff lives in California like Tommy. So maybe if you expand that neighbor thing a bit, Jeff might be Tommy's neighbor. And when Tommy commits lies against Jeff, he is breaking the vows or laws or clauses. Tommy is a sinner when he lies to Jeff.
>
> Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
> example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
> tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
> Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
> difference never the less.
>

Not the only instance.
The King James version is a marvel of beautiful writing,
much quoted throughout our culture, high and low. That said
there are a great many translational 'oopsies' the
difference between 'kill' and 'murder' being probably the
most frequently noted.

Joseph is described in the earliest extant Greek versions as
a 'teknos', a person who makes things or directs the making
of things (as opposed to general labor). The KJV learned
assembly used 'carpenter', a common vocation in England in
1600 but rare in a place with few trees such as Israel.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
> example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
> tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
> Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
> difference never the less.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

I beg to differ. (I'm splitting hairs here a bit; since you capitalized Commandments I assume you intend to refer to the classic Ten, rather than the 624 total. If not you can weasel out) The Ten Commandments say neither murder nor kill.

We know there was something called the Ten. We get our Sunday School versions of the Ten from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, if you actually look these up, you will notice something strange. First, nowhere do they claim to be the Ten. Second, there is no easy way to get Ten separate commandments out of either text. It just doesn't line up that way. Give them to someone not familiar, and usually they'll see 14 to 19. Try it yourself.

However, there IS one place in the Old Testament that specifically lists the Ten Commandments and makes the claim. Unfortunately Exodus 34 doesn't contain the usual Ten, other than not making idols and honoring the Sabbath. This is sometimes called the Ritual Decalogue. When Ten Commandments is referred to in scripture, it is always the ritual Ten and not the modern Sunday School Ten.

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.

First you'd have to be able to get a date. Somehow the odds seem......................................

On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 1:15:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> > Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
> > example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
> > tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
> > Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
> > difference never the less.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers,
> >
> > John B.
> I beg to differ. (I'm splitting hairs here a bit; since you capitalized Commandments I assume you intend to refer to the classic Ten, rather than the 624 total. If not you can weasel out) The Ten Commandments say neither murder nor kill.
>
> We know there was something called the Ten. We get our Sunday School versions of the Ten from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, if you actually look these up, you will notice something strange. First, nowhere do they claim to be the Ten. Second, there is no easy way to get Ten separate commandments out of either text. It just doesn't line up that way. Give them to someone not familiar, and usually they'll see 14 to 19. Try it yourself.
>
> However, there IS one place in the Old Testament that specifically lists the Ten Commandments and makes the claim. Unfortunately Exodus 34 doesn't contain the usual Ten, other than not making idols and honoring the Sabbath. This is sometimes called the Ritual Decalogue. When Ten Commandments is referred to in scripture, it is always the ritual Ten and not the modern Sunday School Ten.
Uh, I hope you know that not too long ago the recovered stone tablets of Moses were found and recent sold for $850,000. There were supposedly ten commandments on it. Rather weather worn but you cannot invent your own religion..

On 5/13/2022 3:17 PM, Tim R wrote:
> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
>> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.
>
> First you'd have to be able to get a date. Somehow the odds seem......................................
>

As I once replied to a manager who complained of not finding
a date, 'lower your standards'.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 13 May 2022 13:15:57 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
>> example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
>> tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
>> Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
>> difference never the less.
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>I beg to differ. (I'm splitting hairs here a bit; since you capitalized Commandments I assume you intend to refer to the classic Ten, rather than the 624 total. If not you can weasel out) The Ten Commandments say neither murder nor kill.
>
>We know there was something called the Ten. We get our Sunday School versions of the Ten from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, if you actually look these up, you will notice something strange. First, nowhere do they claim to be the Ten. Second, there is no easy way to get Ten separate commandments out of either text. It just doesn't line up that way. Give them to someone not familiar, and usually they'll see 14 to 19. Try it yourself.
>
>However, there IS one place in the Old Testament that specifically lists the Ten Commandments and makes the claim. Unfortunately Exodus 34 doesn't contain the usual Ten, other than not making idols and honoring the Sabbath. This is sometimes called the Ritual Decalogue. When Ten Commandments is referred to in scripture, it is always the ritual Ten and not the modern Sunday School Ten.

Well, The Christian Bible... and I believe the Jewish holy books and
the Islamic holy book all contain reference to an set of orders that
The God of Abraham gave to the Israelites after they had left Egypt
which in modern times are usually described as the "Ten Commandments"

Exodus 20:1-26 in the English Standard Version seem pretty clear
although you are correct they can be twisted to appear to be more then
10.

As an example, the last commandment "You shall not covet your
neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, or his
male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or
anything that is your neighbor's.”

Which could, I suppose, be interpreted to be 7 separate commandments
although they could equally be interpreted as one - "do not covet what
belongs to others"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Fri, 13 May 2022 13:53:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 1:15:59 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Friday, May 13, 2022 at 5:05:14 AM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> > Like most things from history it is subject to interpretation. As an
>> > example, the oldest known written copy of the Commandments, on a
>> > tablet of stone, says "thou shall not commit murder" while many modern
>> > Christian Bibles say "thou shall not kill". Perhaps subtle but a
>> > difference never the less.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > John B.
>> I beg to differ. (I'm splitting hairs here a bit; since you capitalized Commandments I assume you intend to refer to the classic Ten, rather than the 624 total. If not you can weasel out) The Ten Commandments say neither murder nor kill.
>>
>> We know there was something called the Ten. We get our Sunday School versions of the Ten from Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5. However, if you actually look these up, you will notice something strange. First, nowhere do they claim to be the Ten. Second, there is no easy way to get Ten separate commandments out of either text. It just doesn't line up that way. Give them to someone not familiar, and usually they'll see 14 to 19. Try it yourself.
>>
>> However, there IS one place in the Old Testament that specifically lists the Ten Commandments and makes the claim. Unfortunately Exodus 34 doesn't contain the usual Ten, other than not making idols and honoring the Sabbath. This is sometimes called the Ritual Decalogue. When Ten Commandments is referred to in scripture, it is always the ritual Ten and not the modern Sunday School Ten.
>Uh, I hope you know that not too long ago the recovered stone tablets of Moses were found and recent sold for $850,000. There were supposedly ten commandments on it. Rather weather worn but you cannot invent your own religion.

No Tommy, you got it wrong yet again. the original stone tablets
carried down from the mountain were lost to the Israelites, probably
during the Roman occupation of Israel.

--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/13/2022 11:41 AM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> Not the only instance.
> The King James version is a marvel of beautiful writing, much quoted
> throughout our culture, high and low. That said there are a great many
> translational 'oopsies' the difference between 'kill' and 'murder' being
> probably the most frequently noted.

"Oopsie" is the wrong word because some of the translation errors were
almost certainly intentional, the Hebrew עַלְמָה (young woman of child
bearing age) being mistranslated into "virgin" being one of the most
intentional errors. See
<https://historycollection.com/18-alteration-made-to-the-bible-and-its-consequences/12/>.

On 5/13/2022 4:53 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Uh, I hope you know that not too long ago the recovered stone tablets of Moses were found and recent sold for $850,000.

<sigh> No, Tom, those were not the ones Moses brought down the mountain.
Nobody has ever claimed they were.

Your wild claims continue to amaze. How can one man be so ignorant?

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On 5/13/2022 5:53 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 5/13/2022 3:17 PM, Tim R wrote:
>> On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
>>> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd
>>> better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body
>>> condom.
>>
>> First you'd have to be able to get a date.  Somehow the odds
>> seem......................................
>>
>
> As I once replied to a manager who complained of not finding a date,
> 'lower your standards'.

As I often say, low standards are the key to happiness.

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- Frank Krygowski

On Fri, 13 May 2022 13:17:12 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 2:36:47 PM UTC-4, William Crowell wrote:
>> If you really intend to take advantage of that cultural shift, you'd better use a mouth dam at the very least, and preferably a full-body condom.
>
>First you'd have to be able to get a date. Somehow the odds seem......................................

Up until I was about 60 years old, I had difficulties obtaining dates
and maintaining relationships. I wasn't sure what women were looking
for, but I knew it wasn't me.

At 60, something changed and women were now chasing me. What I think
changed was that many couples were divorced or husbands had died
resulting in a fair number of unattached women shopping for husbands.
I still don't know what women were looking for, but the senior version
is probably some combination of financial stability, intelligence,
able to do things, no mental problems, no drugs, no booze, no tattoos,
no abuse, no recent jail time, no former wives, no overly dependent
children, etc. Oddly, they seem to think that I fit the template. So,
I've been careful and so far haven't caught any unwanted bugs.

"Sexually Transmitted Infection Knowledge among Older Adults"
<https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7177870/>
"STIs have more than doubled in the past ten years among U.S. adults
age 65 years and older."

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On Thu, 12 May 2022 22:57:59 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 6:18:36 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> But, one of the basic tenets of the Abrahamic Religions is
>> "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour" (Exodus
>> 20:16) is one of the Ten Commandments,[1][2] widely understood as
>> moral imperatives by Jewish, Catholic, and Protestant scholars.
>>
>> Given that you break this commandment multiple times daily will you be
>> committing suicide soon?
>> John B.

>What exactly does bearing false witness against your neighbor mean?
>You can't lie about your neighbor? Immediate next door neighbor,
>but not the one two houses down.

Originally, that's probably what it meant. There was one's tribe, and
there was everyone else. What one did to or for the tribe, might be
quite different from what they did to or for someone else. This is
somewhat illustrated by the Arab view of hospitality. A traveler
coming across the desert is afforded the best hospitality which
incidentally might include sexual favors from the women. However,
when the traveler leaves the hosts tent, walks across the desert, and
again runs into the former host, the traveler runs into a fair chance
of getting robbed. Why? Because the law only extends to the
immediate vicinity and situation. This makes no sense to those used
to western interpretations, but makes quite a bit of sense in terms of
nomadic traders, who consider their reputation as a perfect host for
visitors important, because the visitor will spread the word of their
generosity.

[Q] What's the difference between a bribe and a commission?
[A] A bribe is paid in advance. A commission afterwards.
This is a key part of doing business in the middle east. Everything
requires what we call a bribe. What's happening is that these traders
were once nomadic, and could and would disappear on very short notice.
A business transaction where payment to the middleman was made after
the transaction was completed was useless. Both parties would
disappear and the middleman would never be paid. Instead, custom
demands that the middleman receive his bribe in advance to insure
payment.

"Christian views on lying"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_views_on_lying>

"Jewish views on lying"
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_views_on_lying>

613 commandments of the Torah:
<https://www.jewfaq.org/613.htm>

>So for Tommy, since none of us are his immediate neighbor,
>Thank all the Gods!!!!!

My house is 65.3 miles away from Tom's. When the wind blows in the
wrong direction...

>He thinks he can in good conscience lie to all of us. And be
>sin free, if that matters to him. But Jeff lives in California
>like Tommy. So maybe if you expand that neighbor thing a bit,
>Jeff might be Tommy's neighbor. And when Tommy commits lies
>against Jeff, he is breaking the vows or laws or clauses.
>Tommy is a sinner when he lies to Jeff.

Tom is not from my tribe and is therefore not my neighbor. If he was
related or part of an extended family, things might be different.

Have you noticed that I don't react to Tom's insults? I see no need
to do so. Nobody believes Tom so there's no danger to my reputation.
He could scream his insults to the wind for all I care. There's
nobody listening. Also, I like to write things that are worth
reading. Nothing Tom writes about me is likely to be of any interest
to anyone in RBT, just as nothing I might write in retaliation would
be of any interest.

Jewish Ethics:
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethics>
"Falsehood, flattery, perjury and false swearing are also forbidden.
The reputation of a fellow man is sacred. Tale-bearing and unkind
insinuations are forbidden, as is hatred of one's brother in one's
heart. A revengeful, relentless disposition is unethical..."

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 13:53:19 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Uh, I hope you know that not too long ago the recovered stone tablets of Moses were found and recent sold for $850,000. There were supposedly ten commandments on it. Rather weather worn but you cannot invent your own religion.

"Ancient Ten Commandments tablet sold at auction for $850,000" (2016)
<https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/17/ancient-ten-commandments-tablet-sold-at-auction-for-850000.html>
"It likely adorned the entrance of a synagogue that was destroyed by
the Romans between A.D. 400 and 600, or by the Crusaders in the 11th
century..."

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On Fri, 13 May 2022 21:33:56 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Your wild claims continue to amaze. How can one man be so ignorant?

How? It's actually quite simple. Tom wants attention and making
mistakes intentionally, accidentally, or due to lack of competence
works best for gaining attention. If Tom has correctly noted that a
tablet made in 400 to 600 AD was sold at auction, nobody would have
noticed or commented. However, if he attached an outlandish claim,
many people would predictably offer corrections. This particular
claim offered an indication that my guess(tm) is correct. Tom knew
the exact amount ($850,000) for which the tablet was sold. I don't
think he could have remembered such a detail from an event 6 years
previously:

"Ancient Ten Commandments tablet sold at auction for $850,000" (2016)
<https://www.cnbc.com/2016/11/17/ancient-ten-commandments-tablet-sold-at-auction-for-850000.html>
"It likely adorned the entrance of a synagogue that was destroyed by
the Romans between A.D. 400 and 600, or by the Crusaders in the 11th
century..."

Therefore, he probably had an online article mentioning the sale of
the item in front of him. The announcement of the sale is quite short
and I can assume he read the full article. Therefore, the addition of
the ribbish that it was the original "tablets from Moses" had to be
intentional. This might also be the reason why he chronically refuses
to cite his sources. If he did cite a source, and it didn't contain
the rubbish about the original "tablets of Moses", it would be
sufficient proof that Tom had added it.

Andre... now do you see the value of "hair splitting"?

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