On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 2:35:39 PM UTC-4, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/3/2022 12:27 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 12:01:25 PM UTC-4, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 2, 2022 at 1:29:11 PM UTC-7, Ted Heise wrote:
> >>> On Mon, 2 May 2022 12:35:30 -0700 (PDT),
> >>> Ann Kunich <elizabet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 1:50:20 PM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Thursday, April 28, 2022 at 6:10:50 PM UTC-4, sms wrote:
> >>>>>> I was in Lowe's a few weeks ago and noticed that they are
> >>>>>> selling ethanol-free gasoline for small engines. It's
> >>>>>> ridiculously expensive, but probably less expensive than
> >>>>>> driving to a place that sells it from a pump.
> >>>>>> <https://www.lowes.com/pd/TRUFUEL-1-oz-4-cycle-Fuel/1001851146>.
> >>>>> I drive to the next town for ethanol free gas. I figure it is
> >>>>> cheaper than buying a new carburetor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> For the weedwacker, and the small amount I used every year, it
> >>>>> was worth it to buy the expensive premixed gas-oil mix at
> >>>>> Lowes or Home Depot. But i finally gave up and bought a
> >>>>> rechargeable.
> >>>>
> >>>> The ethanol allows you to have no preignition with larger
> >>>> volumes of cheaply refined gasoline. There are basically two
> >>>> components of gasoline - one that has a very low octane rating
> >>>> and one that has a very high octane rating. The second is a
> >>>> lower component of distillation so it therefore more expensive.
> >>>> So they use less of it in cheap gas and instead use Ethanol
> >>>> which has a high octane rating. Too bad I can no longer
> >>>> remember the chemical compositions.
> >>> CH3CH2OH
> >>>
> >>> Hope that helps!
> >> Perhaps the structures I was thinking about were ethanol (your chemical formula above) and methanol. One has a high octane rating and the other quite low. So they are mixed together to get gasoline of various octane ratings without having to use lead. My teeth have been bad since I was a child. And this is no doubt because at the time tetraethyllead was used as an octane booster in gasoline and it poisons the body by taking the place of calcium and hence children born before the ban on that compound often had very bad teeth and weak bones. I managed to avoid the weak bones but I have spent a fortune on my teeth.
> >
> >
> > Lead poisoning....that explains a lot....
> The problem with lead poisoning is the feedback loop. Your IQ keeps
> dropping, but you can't figure out why.
>

I think it's more that the IQ keeps dropping but one doesn't realize it. Tommy is in denial that his IQ was _ever_ anything less than extremely intelligent. Lead poisoning explains it all.

On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>Perhaps the structures I was thinking about were ethanol (your chemical formula above) and methanol. One has a high octane rating and the other quite low. So they are mixed together to get gasoline of various octane ratings without having to use lead. My teeth have been bad since I was a child. And this is no doubt because at the time tetraethyllead was used as an octane booster in gasoline and it poisons the body by taking the place of calcium and hence children born before the ban on that compound often had very bad teeth and weak bones. I managed to avoid the weak bones but I have spent a fortune on my teeth.

Hmmm... I was born in 1948. Lead was banned in California effective
in 1992 and in the US in 1996. I was 44 years old when lead in
gasoline went out of fashion in California. I grew up in Smog
Angeles, the epicenter of air pollution.

I'm 74 years old. My teeth are in fairly good shape. I lost all 4
wisdom teeth to amalgam fillings that fell or rotted out. Of the
remaining teeth, one tooth required a root canal. The rest are
normal. Cavity and gum problems were trivial, until I started
drinking carbonated sodas and started to accumulate cavities.

So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?

Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
>
> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was, somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.

It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.

My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 5:30:33 AM UTC-7, timoth...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> > So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
> >
> > Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
> > brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
> > brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
> > dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
> > back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
> > by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was, somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
>
> It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
>
> My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?
Jeffie believes that he can give a partial story and use it to disprove scientific research. The research was so overwhelming that despite the power of the automobile and petroleum industries, they were forced to stop using tetraethyllead and motors had a temporary reduction in power until other forms of anti-knock could be developed.

But Jeffie is a science entirely unto himself. He can tell us all about bicycles despite never having much to do with them and now being entirely unable to ride.

On Mon, 9 May 2022 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
<timothy42bach@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
>>
>> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
>> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
>> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
>> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
>> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
>> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.

>In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was, somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
>
>It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
>
>My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?

Thanks for possibly solving a minor problem for me. Since I hadn't
been using tooth paste for most of my life, I didn't experience any
stomach problems from swallowing tooth paste. However, when I started
using the 1.1% sodium fluoride toothpaste, I would experience
occasional minor stomach aches at night. I originally attributed them
to my bad habit of munching something before going to sleep, but it
seems that not rinsing might be a possible cause. I'll try rinsing
and not swallowing and see what happens.

"Are our patients guzzling too much fluoride?"
<https://www.rdhmag.com/patient-care/rinses-pastes/article/16406858/are-our-patients-guzzling-too-much-fluoride>
"A child who has ingested up to 5 mg/kg (2.2 pounds equals one
kilogram) of fluoride may only experience mild gastrointestinal
discomfort."

Some light reading on abrasive tooth paste below. I used to use tooth
paste to raise the frequency of WWII vintage quartz FT-243 radio
crystals and to polish glasses. Hmmm...

"Is Toothpaste Necessary? Try Brushing Without It!"
<https://advanceddentalartsnyc.com/is-toothpaste-necessary/>
"Studies have shown that brushing without toothpaste is just as
effective in removing plaque and in some cases it’s more effective."

"How abrasive is my toothpaste and what’s it doing to my teeth?"
<https://www.familydentisttree.com/abrasive-toothpaste-whats-teeth/>
<https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
The prescription Denta 5000 Plus that I'm currently using
has an RDA = 80, which is deemed safe.

My credentials (thanks to SMS):
<http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Internet%20doctor%20of%20medicine.png>

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 9 May 2022 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
> <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
> >>
> >> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
> >> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
> >> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
> >> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
> >> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
> >> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
> >In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was, somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
> >
> >It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
> >
> >My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?
> Thanks for possibly solving a minor problem for me. Since I hadn't
> been using tooth paste for most of my life, I didn't experience any
> stomach problems from swallowing tooth paste. However, when I started
> using the 1.1% sodium fluoride toothpaste, I would experience
> occasional minor stomach aches at night. I originally attributed them
> to my bad habit of munching something before going to sleep, but it
> seems that not rinsing might be a possible cause. I'll try rinsing
> and not swallowing and see what happens.

I somewhat recently saw a video about what astronauts do for teeth brushing.. They have the option of swallowing or spitting out the foam after brushing. NO rinsing with water for astronauts due to the limited water available on a space shuttle or lunar spacecraft. So for adult astronauts, swallowing the foam for a week or two or so is not considered dangerous.

>
> "Are our patients guzzling too much fluoride?"
> <https://www.rdhmag.com/patient-care/rinses-pastes/article/16406858/are-our-patients-guzzling-too-much-fluoride>
> "A child who has ingested up to 5 mg/kg (2.2 pounds equals one
> kilogram) of fluoride may only experience mild gastrointestinal
> discomfort."
>
> Some light reading on abrasive tooth paste below. I used to use tooth
> paste to raise the frequency of WWII vintage quartz FT-243 radio
> crystals and to polish glasses. Hmmm...
>
> "Is Toothpaste Necessary? Try Brushing Without It!"
> <https://advanceddentalartsnyc.com/is-toothpaste-necessary/>
> "Studies have shown that brushing without toothpaste is just as
> effective in removing plaque and in some cases it’s more effective."
>
> "How abrasive is my toothpaste and what’s it doing to my teeth?"
> <https://www.familydentisttree.com/abrasive-toothpaste-whats-teeth/>
> <https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
> The prescription Denta 5000 Plus that I'm currently using
> has an RDA = 80, which is deemed safe.
>
> My credentials (thanks to SMS):
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/Internet%20doctor%20of%20medicine.png>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

"russellseaton1@yahoo.com" <ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> writes:

> On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 9 May 2022 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
>> <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
>> >>
>> >> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
>> >> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
>> >> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
>> >> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
>> >> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
>> >> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
>> >In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her
>> > teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was,
>> > somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
>> >
>> >It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an
>> > interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are
>> > important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his
>> > advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be
>> > extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
>> >
>> >My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?
>> Thanks for possibly solving a minor problem for me. Since I hadn't
>> been using tooth paste for most of my life, I didn't experience any
>> stomach problems from swallowing tooth paste. However, when I started
>> using the 1.1% sodium fluoride toothpaste, I would experience
>> occasional minor stomach aches at night. I originally attributed them
>> to my bad habit of munching something before going to sleep, but it
>> seems that not rinsing might be a possible cause. I'll try rinsing
>> and not swallowing and see what happens.
>
> I somewhat recently saw a video about what astronauts do for teeth
> brushing. They have the option of swallowing or spitting out the foam
> after brushing. NO rinsing with water for astronauts due to the
> limited water available on a space shuttle or lunar spacecraft. So
> for adult astronauts, swallowing the foam for a week or two or so is
> not considered dangerous.

NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.

See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
toothpaste.

On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:28:49 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>
> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Mon, 9 May 2022 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
> >> <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
> >> >>
> >> >> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
> >> >> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
> >> >> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
> >> >> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
> >> >> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
> >> >> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
> >> >In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her
> >> > teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was,
> >> > somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
> >> >
> >> >It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an
> >> > interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are
> >> > important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his
> >> > advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be
> >> > extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
> >> >
> >> >My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?
> >> Thanks for possibly solving a minor problem for me. Since I hadn't
> >> been using tooth paste for most of my life, I didn't experience any
> >> stomach problems from swallowing tooth paste. However, when I started
> >> using the 1.1% sodium fluoride toothpaste, I would experience
> >> occasional minor stomach aches at night. I originally attributed them
> >> to my bad habit of munching something before going to sleep, but it
> >> seems that not rinsing might be a possible cause. I'll try rinsing
> >> and not swallowing and see what happens.
> >
> > I somewhat recently saw a video about what astronauts do for teeth
> > brushing. They have the option of swallowing or spitting out the foam
> > after brushing. NO rinsing with water for astronauts due to the
> > limited water available on a space shuttle or lunar spacecraft. So
> > for adult astronauts, swallowing the foam for a week or two or so is
> > not considered dangerous.
> NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
> called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
> manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
> recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>
> See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
> toothpaste.

How do you swallow toothpaste? And today I use a toothpaste composed of baking soda just as I have since childhood when no one would spend money on a special toothpaste instead of the baking soda in the cupboard. I was in the Air Force before I saw Fluoride Toothpaste and never saw the need for it.

On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>
>See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>toothpaste.

Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
Looks like there are products available:
<https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
<https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>

"Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
<https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
"The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tue, 10 May 2022 19:21:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
><shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>>called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>>manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>>recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>
>>See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>>toothpaste.
>
>Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
>Looks like there are products available:
><https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
><https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>
>
>"Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
><https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
>"The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
>equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."

Way back when I was a little fellow I remember visiting my mother's
elder sister's family. I was appalled... they used baking soda and
salt as a "tooth paste".
--
Cheers,

John B.

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tuesday, May 10, 2022 at 8:28:49 AM UTC-7, Radey Shouman wrote:
>> "russell...@yahoo.com" <ritzann...@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>> > On Monday, May 9, 2022 at 1:25:30 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 9 May 2022 05:30:31 -0700 (PDT), Tim R
>> >> <timoth...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 4:24:30 PM UTC-4, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 3 May 2022 09:01:21 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> So, why are my teeth in fairly good shape while yours are rotten?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hint: Between about 1967 and 2019, I never used tooth paste. I
>> >> >> brushed my teeth with water and nothing else. I recently started
>> >> >> brushing with 1.1% sodium fluoride prescription toothpaste after my
>> >> >> dentist discovered that I had some soft spots in the enamel on the
>> >> >> back of some teeth. It's not heredity. My fathers lost all his teeth
>> >> >> by age 50 and my mother was constantly getting dental work done.
>> >> >In the early 90s one of my children complained that brushing her
>> >> > teeth hurt her stomach. I don't remember how old she was,
>> >> > somewhere in the 3 - 5 range maybe.
>> >> >
>> >> >It seemed a strange complaint but by weird coincidence I read an
>> >> > interview with a brass player from the Boston Symphony. Teeth are
>> >> > important to a trumpet or trombone player, obviously. Part of his
>> >> > advice to young aspiring musicians was to brush your teeth but be
>> >> > extra careful to rinse all the toothpaste out afterwords.
>> >> >
>> >> >My child started doing that and her stomach upset went away. Who knows?
>> >> Thanks for possibly solving a minor problem for me. Since I hadn't
>> >> been using tooth paste for most of my life, I didn't experience any
>> >> stomach problems from swallowing tooth paste. However, when I started
>> >> using the 1.1% sodium fluoride toothpaste, I would experience
>> >> occasional minor stomach aches at night. I originally attributed them
>> >> to my bad habit of munching something before going to sleep, but it
>> >> seems that not rinsing might be a possible cause. I'll try rinsing
>> >> and not swallowing and see what happens.
>> >
>> > I somewhat recently saw a video about what astronauts do for teeth
>> > brushing. They have the option of swallowing or spitting out the foam
>> > after brushing. NO rinsing with water for astronauts due to the
>> > limited water available on a space shuttle or lunar spacecraft. So
>> > for adult astronauts, swallowing the foam for a week or two or so is
>> > not considered dangerous.
>> NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>> called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>> manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>> recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>
>> See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>> toothpaste.
>
> How do you swallow toothpaste? And today I use a toothpaste composed
> of baking soda just as I have since childhood when no one would spend
> money on a special toothpaste instead of the baking soda in the
> cupboard. I was in the Air Force before I saw Fluoride Toothpaste and
> never saw the need for it.

How? Just swallow instead of spit when you're done brushing. That is
not a good idea, but comes natural to many children.

My dentist when I was a child told me that, while brushing was
important, toothpaste was optional. I haven't seen a lot of evidence
that he was wrong, but I do use stannous fluoride toothpaste now -- it
might work, and all the cool kids use it.

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> writes:

> On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>>called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>>manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>>recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>
>>See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>>toothpaste.
>
> Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
> Looks like there are products available:
> <https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>
>
> "Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
> <https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
> "The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
> equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."

One of the lesser-known NASA commercial spinoffs. I haven't tried it
myself.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:

> On Tue, 10 May 2022 19:21:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
>><shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>>>called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>>>manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>>>recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>>
>>>See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>>>toothpaste.
>>
>>Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
>>Looks like there are products available:
>><https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
>><https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>
>>
>>"Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
>><https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
>>"The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
>>equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."
>
> Way back when I was a little fellow I remember visiting my mother's
> elder sister's family. I was appalled... they used baking soda and
> salt as a "tooth paste".

It probably worked about as well as whatever your modern, up to date
family was using. You can buy fancy commerical toothpaste today with
baking soda in it, seems to be fairly popular.

On Wed, 11 May 2022 11:51:14 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:
>> Way back when I was a little fellow I remember visiting my mother's
>> elder sister's family. I was appalled... they used baking soda and
>> salt as a "tooth paste".

I tried that for a while long ago. I didn't like the taste.

>It probably worked about as well as whatever your modern, up to date
>family was using. You can buy fancy commerical toothpaste today with
>baking soda in it, seems to be fairly popular.

Commercial toothpaste was loaded with sugar but that has changed.
Today, it's more likely to be loaded with sodium saccharine or
xylitol, both of which were selected because they don't promote tooth
decay (promote bacteria growth). However, taste is important:
<https://www.twentyfiveoseven.com/products/chili>

What bugs me is the RDA (Relative Dentin Abrasion) number for various
toothpastes containing baking soda. See list at:
<https://hygienewize.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/Abrasive-Value-.pdf>
I see quite a few toothpastes made by Arm and Hammer with an RDA from
7 (Plain Baking Soda) to 168 (Arm & Hammer Dental Care PM Fresh Mint).
These cover the range from non-abrasive to sandpaper. A very high RDA
is obviously a bad idea, I wonder if the baking soda is there for
advertising value, instead of cleaning value.

--
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PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 11 May 2022 11:51:14 -0400, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:
>
>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 19:21:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
>>><shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>>>>called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>>>>manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>>>>recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>>>
>>>>See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>>>>toothpaste.
>>>
>>>Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
>>>Looks like there are products available:
>>><https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
>>><https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>
>>>
>>>"Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
>>><https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
>>>"The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
>>>equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."
>>
>> Way back when I was a little fellow I remember visiting my mother's
>> elder sister's family. I was appalled... they used baking soda and
>> salt as a "tooth paste".
>
>It probably worked about as well as whatever your modern, up to date
>family was using. You can buy fancy commerical toothpaste today with
>baking soda in it, seems to be fairly popular.

Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)

How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
Made in Russia by Splat:
<https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
<https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
<https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
or China:
<https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
Better red than decayed.

More exotic toothpaste flavors:
<https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>

I may have discovered what Tom is using:
"Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
<https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>
>How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>Made in Russia by Splat:
><https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
><https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
><https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>or China:
><https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>Better red than decayed.
>
>More exotic toothpaste flavors:
><https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>
>I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>"Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
><https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.

I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
pressure.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/11/2022 5:47 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 11:51:14 -0400, Radey Shouman
> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> writes:
>>
>>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 19:21:59 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Tue, 10 May 2022 11:28:46 -0400, Radey Shouman
>>>> <shouman@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> NASA developed a non-fluoride toothpaste in the 70s -- the ingredient is
>>>>> called nano-hydroxyapatite, and has been picked up by some commercial
>>>>> manufacturers. Swallowing stannous fluoride toothpaste is really not
>>>>> recommended, just read your toothpaste tube.
>>>>>
>>>>> See https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4252862/ for more on HA
>>>>> toothpaste.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks. I hadn't heard about that.
>>>> Looks like there are products available:
>>>> <https://umbelorganics.com/hydroxyapatite-toothpaste/>
>>>> <https://www.google.com/search?q=nano-hydroxyapatite+toothpaste&tbm=isch>
>>>>
>>>> "Hydroxyapatite Vs. Fluoride: How Do They Compare?"
>>>> <https://askthedentist.com/hydroxyapatite-vs-fluoride-how-do-they-compare/>
>>>> "The conclusion of the study was that hydroxyapatite toothpaste is
>>>> equal to fluoride toothpaste when it comes to efficacy."
>>>
>>> Way back when I was a little fellow I remember visiting my mother's
>>> elder sister's family. I was appalled... they used baking soda and
>>> salt as a "tooth paste".
>>
>> It probably worked about as well as whatever your modern, up to date
>> family was using. You can buy fancy commerical toothpaste today with
>> baking soda in it, seems to be fairly popular.
>
> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>

I never found one with a flavor I didn't hate so I stopped
buying them many years ago. Baking soda works well for me.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/11/2022 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>>
>> How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>> Made in Russia by Splat:
>> <https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
>> <https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
>> <https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>> or China:
>> <https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>> Better red than decayed.
>>
>> More exotic toothpaste flavors:
>> <https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>>
>> I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>> "Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
>> <https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>> Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.
>
> I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
> treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
> pressure.
>

Still looking for products made from supernatural
ingredients (angel's wings and the like)

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:56:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/11/2022 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>>>
>>> How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>>> Made in Russia by Splat:
>>> <https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
>>> <https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>>> or China:
>>> <https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>>> Better red than decayed.
>>>
>>> More exotic toothpaste flavors:
>>> <https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>>>
>>> I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>>> "Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
>>> <https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>>> Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.
>>
>> I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
>> treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
>> pressure.
>>
>
>Still looking for products made from supernatural
>ingredients (angel's wings and the like)

I don't know how old you are, nor your religious preference but when I
was growing up every Catholic boy wore a religions medallion which
was, they assured me, protection from something or another.

Strange, but from memory only the boys wore them, I don't remember the
Catholic Girls wearing medallions... perhaps they didn't do sin (:-)

Over here, of course, they are Buddhist and certainly for the women on
a gold chain (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/11/2022 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:56:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/11/2022 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>>>>
>>>> How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>>>> Made in Russia by Splat:
>>>> <https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
>>>> <https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>>>> or China:
>>>> <https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>>>> Better red than decayed.
>>>>
>>>> More exotic toothpaste flavors:
>>>> <https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>>>>
>>>> I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>>>> "Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
>>>> <https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.
>>>
>>> I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
>>> treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
>>> pressure.
>>>
>>
>> Still looking for products made from supernatural
>> ingredients (angel's wings and the like)
>
> I don't know how old you are, nor your religious preference but when I
> was growing up every Catholic boy wore a religions medallion which
> was, they assured me, protection from something or another.
>
> Strange, but from memory only the boys wore them, I don't remember the
> Catholic Girls wearing medallions... perhaps they didn't do sin (:-)
>
> Over here, of course, they are Buddhist and certainly for the women on
> a gold chain (:-)
>

A quick web search shows that both sexes wear scapular
medals. We just never had the opportunity to check that out
on the girls back then!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:45:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 5/11/2022 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:56:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/11/2022 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>>>>> Made in Russia by Splat:
>>>>> <https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
>>>>> <https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>>>>> or China:
>>>>> <https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>>>>> Better red than decayed.
>>>>>
>>>>> More exotic toothpaste flavors:
>>>>> <https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>>>>>
>>>>> I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>>>>> "Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
>>>>> <https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.
>>>>
>>>> I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
>>>> treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
>>>> pressure.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Still looking for products made from supernatural
>>> ingredients (angel's wings and the like)
>>
>> I don't know how old you are, nor your religious preference but when I
>> was growing up every Catholic boy wore a religions medallion which
>> was, they assured me, protection from something or another.
>>
>> Strange, but from memory only the boys wore them, I don't remember the
>> Catholic Girls wearing medallions... perhaps they didn't do sin (:-)
>>
>> Over here, of course, they are Buddhist and certainly for the women on
>> a gold chain (:-)
>>
>
>A quick web search shows that both sexes wear scapular
>medals. We just never had the opportunity to check that out
>on the girls back then!

Yes, there was that of course, then.

But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting
the "professionals" out of business (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/11/2022 9:01 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 11 May 2022 20:45:45 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 5/11/2022 8:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 19:56:13 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/11/2022 7:10 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 11 May 2022 16:49:34 -0700, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Thu, 12 May 2022 05:47:30 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually I select a tooth paste... because it tastes good (:-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about testing chili pepper flavored toothpaste?
>>>>>> Made in Russia by Splat:
>>>>>> <https://en.splatglobal.com> (Splat is made in Russia)
>>>>>> <https://organicbeautysupply.eu/shop-eng/23-splat-eng/145-splat-toothpaste-chili/>
>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Chilly-Toothpaste-Whitening-Intense-Spearmint/dp/B09HHM96H6>
>>>>>> or China:
>>>>>> <https://www.thatsmags.com/shanghai/post/27941/hot-pot-toothpaste-is-now-a-thing-and-we-tried-it>
>>>>>> Better red than decayed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More exotic toothpaste flavors:
>>>>>> <https://www.wideopeneats.com/13-toothpaste-flavors-never-ever-exist/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may have discovered what Tom is using:
>>>>>> "Tom’s of Maine Natural Toothpaste"
>>>>>> <https://www.tomsofmaine.com/products/natural-toothpaste>
>>>>>> Unfortunately it doesn't cure foot in mouth disease.
>>>>>
>>>>> I like the adherents of "all natural ingredients". I assume that they
>>>>> treat wounds with moldy bread and eat watermelon for their high blood
>>>>> pressure.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Still looking for products made from supernatural
>>>> ingredients (angel's wings and the like)
>>>
>>> I don't know how old you are, nor your religious preference but when I
>>> was growing up every Catholic boy wore a religions medallion which
>>> was, they assured me, protection from something or another.
>>>
>>> Strange, but from memory only the boys wore them, I don't remember the
>>> Catholic Girls wearing medallions... perhaps they didn't do sin (:-)
>>>
>>> Over here, of course, they are Buddhist and certainly for the women on
>>> a gold chain (:-)
>>>
>>
>> A quick web search shows that both sexes wear scapular
>> medals. We just never had the opportunity to check that out
>> on the girls back then!
>
> Yes, there was that of course, then.
>
> But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting
> the "professionals" out of business (:-)
>

Nope.
It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market!
What a great time to be alive!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

"But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"

"Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"

But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.

On Thursday, May 12, 2022 at 9:58:47 AM UTC-7, William Crowell wrote:
> "But today, I read in "Freakonomics" that the "nice girls" are putting the "professionals" out of business (:-)"
>
> "Nope. It's just a larger more diversified and stratified market! What a great time to be alive!"
> But Andrew, when I was young we called loose women, who would fuck on the first date, exactly what they were, and for good reason. Not at all these days, though. But just because women all want to fuck on the first date these days, and are using abortion as their birth control method, hasn't changed anything: these dirty women, who have probably fucked 100 men or more during the last year, insist that you lick their pussy before they insist on fucking, if you're stupid enough to do what they say just because you want to dip your wick. If you go for that shit, and think it represents "just a larger and more diversified and stratified market", you are displaying very poor judgment because you are going to contract a really terrible case of oral STD.

Bill, Andrew was using sarcasm and is pretty much in alignment with you. You are entirely correct about the sexual morals of women these days and these women in fact are committing suicide in ever increasing numbers as they discover an entire world of unhappiness that they thought that they were avoiding with rank male morals. One sin leads to another.