On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>> gets from
>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>> the Russians
>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>> the News".
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>
>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>
>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>
>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>
>>>
>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>> lack thereof).
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
>
> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
> $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0.844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
>
> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
>

Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
I'll wait.

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On 3/12/2022 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:46:42 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>> gets from
>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>> the Russians
>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>> the News".
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>
>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>
>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>
>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>> lack thereof).
>
> I think that "Russian Oil" actually amount to something like 1% of
> crude oil used in the U.S. and that could easily be replaced by oil
> from S. American countries... well except I think y'all have some sort
> of "pissing contest" going on with one of the larger oil producers
> "down there".
>

Speaking of our Southern neighbors, the travesty of PEMEX
mismanagement of Mexican oil fields is another sad story:

https://jpt.spe.org/twa/yps-guide-mexico-land-contrasts

Since Mr Obrador threw out the US firms with their excellent
US engineers and experts, production has diminished (same
story as Venezuela):

https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/fire-hits-another-pemex-production-platform-according-to-mexican-reports/2-1-1167710?%3Fzephr_sso_ott=jKtA9C

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On 3/12/2022 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:05:55 +0100, Rolf Mantel
> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>
>> Am 12.03.2022 um 06:17 schrieb John B.:
>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:00:35 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/11/2022 8:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:42:34 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:49 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 07:49:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 10:19 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:34:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 7:29 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:12:47 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 5:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 07:59:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2022 10:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 22:23:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2022 5:25 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:40:16 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:16 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 21:46:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 8:23 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 17:20:47 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 3:58 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 9:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't get my mind around the pure stupidity of people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who do not understand that the largest numbers of deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and mostly of blacks are in entirely Democrat areas where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they believe that "guns bad" and "gun control good".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Tom, I'm sure you can't _remember_, but upthread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a link to gun death rates per capita. Southern Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states do worse than most Democratic states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the discussion again. Drop your hair-trigger right wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices for a bit and try to understand real data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bulk of firearms murders in the south are concentrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami etc; same phenomenon as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why I countered the call for a national program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or policy earlier with a call for subsidiarity instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problems of Milwaukee are not the problems of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding high density suburban counties, under the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes and same governor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While Frank is correct that gun deaths per capita tend to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher in red states, the FBI cautions against using any one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demographic marker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What contributes to political party preference are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying factors that also lead to higher crime rates,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including poverty and low education levels. Red states tend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be poorer and have lower education levels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look at the election results in the last election of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 15 states with the highest education levels, only 1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utah, went for Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Trump stated when he won in 2016: “We won with poorly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice topic drift there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milwaukee administrations have been Socialist Party or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrat overwhelmingly for over 100 years. Statewide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin is a switch hitter. No more reliable Democrat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party stronghold than Chicago. Illinois statewide has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced competent and incompetent from both major parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But socialism is so appealing to the American Public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is a surer way to get elected then to tell the voters, "Elect me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'll give you...". You know, things like Social Security,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unemployment, Medicaid (or whatever they call it), food and housing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance, Aid to Unwed Mothers, and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does health care cost in Thailand? Refresh our memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here? For a citizen, 30 baht a visit, about 91 cents U.S., and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for those over 60.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what are you trying to prove? That Social Security, etc., are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socialistic services as I stated?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That "socialism is so appealing to the American Public"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That Thailand provides socialistic services for their citizens?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm indicating (or emphasizing) that what you said is true in most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> places. And I'm hinting that it's often a net benefit for the citizenry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Frank, you are arguing a "fact" that was never discussed.I stated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that " But socialism is so appealing to the American Public." and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way to get elected was to , "to tell the voters, "Elect me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you...".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't arguing. I was agreeing with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A change of subject, but I believe that the U.S. has had what might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "socialized medicine" since just after WW II. I had an uncle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was wounded in combat and had back problems for years after and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember him going to "The Veteran's Hospital" which, I believe, was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of "government" hospital.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As with any large institution, a mixed bag. I know a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> veterans who avoid the VA where there is any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate. Then again a valued customer (Special Forces
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1963~1966) of long standing says he used to avoid them, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says once one develops the usual panoply of 'old man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troubles' they are tops. Locally, we've had serious VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deficiencies which became national news while simultaneously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one does serious combat injuries better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to argue but in my uncle's case the doctors, at the Vet's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hospital, suggested fusing two vertebrae as a probably cure for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. Which he resisted for years - "they don't know what they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking about".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally the pain grew so great that he could no longer work - he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an electrician doing mostly construction work - and he finally, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of pain decided to let them go ahead and fuse two vertebrae.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> After, perhaps, two weeks in the hospital (it was a long time ago and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I forget) he got out and was able to go back to work. He used to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>> things like, "Gee I wish they had done this years ago."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I noted, a mixed bag. My two Senators are as far apart
>>>>>>>>>>>> politically as any two Americans could be, yet they agree on
>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://revealnews.org/article/alarm-over-wisconsin-vas-troubles-follows-years-of-complaints/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I read that reference and it seemed to me that it was largely about a
>>>>>>>>>>> single individual, a "chief of staff, psychiatrist Dr. David Houlihan"
>>>>>>>>>>> who seems to have subscribed substantial amounts of "opiates" and "bad
>>>>>>>>>>> mouthed" those who "bad mouthed" him. But all of the complaints seem
>>>>>>>>>>> to come from non-medically qualified people. i.e., not other doctors
>>>>>>>>>>> on the staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not to argue right or wrong, but I wonder what the patients had to
>>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The dead ones didn't have much to add. It seems, as with the
>>>>>>>>>> Indian Health Service pederasts, that management knew they
>>>>>>>>>> had a problem but between civil service rules and general
>>>>>>>>>> cowardice, did nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Indian Health? I thought it was a VA Hospital (:-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But as I said, did anyone ask the patients? Or the patients families?
>>>>>>>>> Not really an argument but what was the result of this "excess
>>>>>>>>> medication" to the patient or his or her's family?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes the article mentions "overdose" but an "overdose" is "more then
>>>>>>>>> the prescribed dose", is it not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, more to the point, read the actual I.G. Report. It reads to me,
>>>>>>>>> at least, like a bunch of disgruntled pharmacist who made a loud noise
>>>>>>>>> about what the doctor was prescribing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But, more to the point, the Summations and Conclusions of the report
>>>>>>>>> state:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "We did not substantiate the majority of the allegations ,made in the
>>>>>>>>> various complaints received... and... "Although allegations dealing
>>>>>>>>> with overuse of narcotics at the facility may have some merit they do
>>>>>>>>> not constitute evidence of wrongdoing. We did not find any conclusive
>>>>>>>>> evidence affirming criminal activity, gross clinical incompetence or
>>>>>>>>> negligence or administrative practices illegal or violated personnel
>>>>>>>>> policies".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here's what DVA says :
>>>>>>>> https://www.disabledveterans.org/2015/02/25/wisconsin-va-opioid-scandal-hits-national-news/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yup, I read that and there is a certain amount of "Oh My God! Ain't It
>>>>>>> Awful!" written there. One Veteran was described as " taking over one
>>>>>>> dozen drugs" Oh! My! Goodness!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But right now, today, I am taking 9 pills in the morning, 3 after
>>>>>>> supper and 2 before I go to bed at night. For 3 different physical
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But, more to the point, has anyone asked the patients what they think.
>>>>>>> Or their parents, wife, etc?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't know the particulars but it garnered a lot of
>>>>>> attention at the time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, these things often do. I read AlJazeera news which seems to
>>>>> report facts but usually presents them in a very partial manner. I
>>>>> read about The U.S. saying hat they wouldn't buy crude from Russia.
>>>>> The news articles made it sound like this would be a major happening -
>>>>> "We'll get them Ruskies!"
>>>>>
>>>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S. gets from
>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what the Russians
>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for the News".
>>>>>
>>>> Nor are there stops on cash flows in or out of Russia and
>>>> Russian banks. The radio news just replays the 45-1/2th
>>>> President blathering about 'severe sanctions' which isn't true.
>>>
>>> Added to that I just read that Germany refused to have anything to do
>>> with The U.S. fuel scheme. And, I suspect that the rest of Europe will
>>> follow. See
>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201743/russian-gas-dependence-in-europe-by-country/
>>
>> Actually, the EU-wide decision was to reduce volumes by 2/3 this year
>> and go down to zero within 5 years. This was aligned with the US.
>>
>> It's a difficult decision whether it's better to buy oil from Inran,
>> Russia or Venezuela (supposedly the Iran sanctions were about to be
>> lifted but with the invasion, Russia blocked their part of the deal).
>>
>> Rolf
>>
>
> My reference was to natural gas and how can Germany, for example, that
> now gets something like half of the gas they use from Russian going to
> reduce that to zero? Buy it from the U.S. at much higher
> transportation cost then the Russian pipeline(s)?
>

On 3/12/2022 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:44:24 -0600, AMuzi
>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>> gets from
>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>> the Russians
>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>> the News".
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>
>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>
>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>> control
>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to
>>>> Putin,
>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of responsibility
>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>
>>>
>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have exacerbated our
>>> inflationary spiral.
>>>
>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr Putin.
>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to do:
>>>
>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
>>>
>>
>> Be honest. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is largely
>> governed by
>> what U.S. citizens will pay. You want the price to go
>> down? Just don't
>> buy the damned stuff.
>>
>> But, Oh Yes, I forget. Y'all really do need those two cars
>> to a
>> family, don't you.
>
> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
>
> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
>
>

we also have many more bicycles than cyclists. meh.

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On 3/13/2022 12:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:44:24 -0600, AMuzi
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>>    I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>> control
>>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
>>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to
>>>>> Putin,
>>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of responsibility
>>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
>>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have exacerbated our
>>>> inflationary spiral.
>>>>
>>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr Putin.
>>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to do:
>>>>
>>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Be honest. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is largely
>>> governed by
>>> what U.S. citizens will pay. You want the price to go
>>> down? Just don't
>>> buy the damned stuff.
>>>
>>> But, Oh Yes, I forget. Y'all really do need those two cars
>>> to a
>>> family, don't you.
>>
>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
>>
>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
>>
>>
>>
>
> we also have many more bicycles than cyclists. meh.

Obviously, we need more cyclists!

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On 3/12/2022 11:59 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:32:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2022 8:43 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:21:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
>>>
>>>
>>> It's all due to the failings of the American male.
>>>
>>> It used to be that before any parent would give you permission to
>>> marry their daughter you had to be interviewed by the Father to ensure
>>> that you were capable of "supporting her in the manner to which she is
>>> accustomed". So "back in the day" the husband went off to work in the
>>> morning to "earn the daily bread" while the wife stayed home, raised
>>> the kids, kept the house, and generally "ran the family".
>>>
>>> Today, from what I read, the poor husband simply can't keep up with
>>> all the family expenses and so the wife has to work.
>>>
>>> So, obviously, the family NEEDS two cars (:-)
>>
>> Well, like most things, it's more complicated. A great many of today's
>> women claim to feel very unfulfilled if they merely take care of the
>> home, raise the kids, do the cooking - all those traditional things.
>> Today, "women can have it all!" That is, they can do all those things
>> PLUS have fast rising executive careers. Of course, that means their
>> husbands (should they deign to get married) will have to help do all
>> those traditional things - or, as one couple I know, take them over
>> completely as a sort of role reversal.
>>
>> My wife worked when we first married, stayed home when there was a new
>> baby or toddler, then worked part time once the kids were in school. It
>> seemed a good balance. Later, she returned to college, got a new degree
>> and worked in a medical field. She and I were both proud of her
>> accomplishments.
>>
>> Not long after, we were invited to a faculty party. On being introduced
>> to and chatting with another "faculty wife" for a bit, my wife asked
>> "And what do you do?" The response was more than a little defensive:
>> "I'm just a homemaker." I told my wife she had to be careful asking that
>> question of other women.
>>
>> I suppose I don't have a say in this, but I think it's a shame that
>> women are made to think that they MUST "have it all" (home, husband,
>> kids, career) to be considered successful. It seems like a frantic
>> existence.
>
> Yes, I know. But I wonder.
>
> Standing up there with the three kids all in a row for their first
> Communion, every one got their Catechism letter perfect, and all "A"
> students at the school
> Makes most people a little proud, doesn't it?

I think those are things to be proud of.

I've heard of cases where women prioritized their careers, etc. over
their kids, and said "The kids will be all right."

That bothers me. I think kids should be the higher priority.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:46:42 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
> >>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
> >>>>> gets from
> >>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
> >>>>> the Russians
> >>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
> >>>>> the News".
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
> >>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
> >>>>
> >>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
> >>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
> >>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
> >>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
> >>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
> >>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
> >>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
> >>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
> >>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
> >>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
> >>>
> >>> Some people have different priorities. See
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
> >> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
> >> lack thereof).
> >
> > I think that "Russian Oil" actually amount to something like 1% of
> > crude oil used in the U.S. and that could easily be replaced by oil
> > from S. American countries... well except I think y'all have some sort
> > of "pissing contest" going on with one of the larger oil producers
> > "down there".
> >
> Speaking of our Southern neighbors, the travesty of PEMEX
> mismanagement of Mexican oil fields is another sad story:
>
> https://jpt.spe.org/twa/yps-guide-mexico-land-contrasts
>
> Since Mr Obrador threw out the US firms with their excellent
> US engineers and experts, production has diminished (same
> story as Venezuela):
>
> https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/fire-hits-another-pemex-production-platform-according-to-mexican-reports/2-1-1167710?%3Fzephr_sso_ott=jKtA9C

Oil production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico take huge steps to protect themselves from fire threats. After all, people are living on these platforms. Most of these fires are NOT accidental but from deliberate sabotage. There is natural gas that is vented downwind so all someone has to do is approach in the dead of night - often in these privately funded mini-submarines and light this vented gas. If you look at the reports of the investigations of these fires there are very few other explanations.

On 3/13/2022 11:49 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 4:29 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:44:28 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>>
>>>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>> gets from
>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>> the Russians
>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>> the News".
>>>>
>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>
>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>
>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no control
>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to Putin,
>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of responsibility
>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>
>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>
>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have exacerbated our
>>> inflationary spiral.
>>>
>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr Putin.
>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to do:
>>>
>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
>>>
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> Andy, your link above is one of Tommy's unbiased, neutral, honest
>> sites.  Ha Ha.  Some examples from the article.
>>
>> "Last spring, Biden signed a resolution that overturned Trump
>> administration reforms to EPA oil and gas rules. This resolution will
>> worsen energy poverty, reestablish burdensome regulations, and have a
>> disproportionate impact on small businesses."
>> So Biden is reestablishing burdensome regulations, but Trump put in
>> reforms?  Anything biased there?  The above quote is in a section
>> talking about new regulations governing methane emissions.  Its a
>> crime to decrease methane.  We should have more methane.  Andy, do you
>> think it would be good if we sealed your shop and filled it with
>> methane gas?  Actually you can do that by removing the traps from your
>> plumbing and letting the methane gas from the sewer system come back
>> into your shop.  Isn't methane good?
>>
>> "The president also has rescinded Endangered Species Act reforms"
>> So they were reforms when Trump changed the Endangered Species Act
>> laws.  But bad Biden rescinded these reforms.  And changed the laws
>> BACK to saving endangered animals and plants.
>>
>> "In April 2021, without the consent of Congress, Biden rejoined the
>> Paris agreement, which will result in onerous new regulations that
>> could raise energy costs."
>> Bad Biden joined up with them Frenchies again.  France is evil.  The
>> USA should not do anything with the French.  We should leave NATO and
>> the G7.  France is in them too.  And the UN Security Council too.  Bad
>> France.  Personally, I think its best to cooperate.  Fighting and
>> killing, as Russia is doing to Ukraine, is bad for everyone.  Better
>> to agree and work together.  But this article is probably right.  We
>> should fight and kill and attack France and Europe.  And leave NATO as
>> Trump threatened to do numerous times.  World would be much safer then.
>>
>> "The EPA has issued a final rule to phase out a common, inexpensive
>> refrigerant. This policy is a de facto tax on air conditioning and
>> refrigeration."
>> Freon gas causes damage to the ozone, environment.  Its being replaced
>> with less dangerous gases.  Kind of like lead was removed from gas
>> back in the 1970s.  And asbestos was removed as insulation a long time
>> ago.  I'd say these are improvements.
>>
>> "In May 2021, Biden issued a sweeping executive order that mobilized
>> federal agencies, including the Securities and Exchange Commission, to
>> enforce mandates on businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and
>> suppliers. These policies will stifle innovation critical to improving
>> the environment and will increase costs for a wide variety of
>> businesses."
>> This one is funny.  Evil Biden is restricting and stifling
>> "businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers" from improving
>> the environment.  That's rich.
>>
>> "The Biden administration has changed key inputs for economic and
>> regulatory analysis, including raising the “social cost” of
>> greenhouse gases. These policies will mask the true consumer cost of
>> regulatory actions."
>> Sounds like evil Biden is looking at how many people will be killed
>> and how much damage the world will sustain instead of how much money
>> my Republican Trump buddies can make/steal.  Wow, that must be tragic.
>>
>> "The EPA also has mandated that even facilities with reduced emissions
>> must remain on the list of “major” sources, subjecting these
>> facilities to permitting burdens and higher costs."
>> This one is rich too.  So the writer of the article thinks
>> people/facilities who follow the law, and reduce emissions, should be
>> exempt from having to follow the law.  Kind of like saying people who
>> don't get speeding tickets, can speed and break the law when they want.
>>
>> "The Build Back Better agenda includes new taxes on natural gas and
>> home heating. It also includes new taxes on petroleum and manufacturing."
>> MT GOD!!!!!!!!!!!  Trying to pass legislation that is actually paid
>> for????????  What a crazy concept.  Better to borrow borrow borrow
>> like Reagan, Bush, Trump.  And cut taxes too.  BIGGER Federal
>> deficits.  NO NEW TAXES ever to pay for anything.  Doesn't Biden know
>> how to run a government?  Borrow Borrow Borrow.  Never ever ever tax
>> anything.
>>
>
> You're welcome to your opinion but describing the prior administration's
> regulatory relief of the extraction industries as 'reforms' is apt - the
> result was higher production, lower prices both of which flow directly
> into a healthy economy (paid any freight bills lately?).
>
> Moreover, on net the earth is better for USA extraction industries
> versus the much more destructive processes of our enemies- from whom we
> are now buying energy.
>
> And so on through your list. Facts matter, or ought to, while analyses
> may, and do, vary. YMMV.
>
> Back to my point, please explain how any of the events and policy
> failures listed and the resulting energy driven inflation is the fault
> of Mr Putin. I'll wait.

"Failure" is a loaded word, loaded with opinion. Objectives differ
across the political spectrum. And dare I note that not all objectives
are equally sensible?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 3/13/2022 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>
>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>> lack thereof).
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine.  West Texas oil was about $94.88
>> then.  Now it is $109.09.  $14 increase in three weeks.  About 15% rise.
>>
>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>> $4.326 current average gas price.  $3.482 one month ago average
>> price.  0.844 increase in one month.  24% increase in gas prices in
>> one month.
>>
>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas
>> prices and the invasion of Ukraine.  Now I will agree that gas prices
>> and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year.
>> As the economy has improved over the past year and people are
>> returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more.  Demand for
>> gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus.
>> Demand increases prices.  At least that is what I learned in business
>> school.
>>
>
> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as well. Which
> is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well before any current events
> in Ukraine. If the Ukraine invasion is the cause, please explain Mr
> Putin's role in Mr Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the
> hysteric EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc. I'll
> wait.

Can we first see your detailed analysis of the new methane rules? Begin
with climate effects of the present emissions, then analyze the costs
and benefits of the rule changes, please. You might start here:
https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/us-sharply-cut-methane-pollution-threatens-climate-and-public-health

It would be particularly interesting to see how many cents per gallon of
the _current_ gasoline prices are due to the new _proposed_ rules on
methane leaks.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 3/13/2022 11:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 3/13/2022 12:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:44:24 -0600, AMuzi
>>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil
>>>>>>> the U.S.
>>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes
>>>>>> sense
>>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>>> control
>>>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
>>>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to
>>>>>> Putin,
>>>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone,
>>>>>> but
>>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
>>>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have
>>>>> exacerbated our
>>>>> inflationary spiral.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr
>>>>> Putin.
>>>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to
>>>>> do:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Be honest. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is largely
>>>> governed by
>>>> what U.S. citizens will pay. You want the price to go
>>>> down? Just don't
>>>> buy the damned stuff.
>>>>
>>>> But, Oh Yes, I forget. Y'all really do need those two cars
>>>> to a
>>>> family, don't you.
>>>
>>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
>>>
>>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> we also have many more bicycles than cyclists. meh.
>
> Obviously, we need more cyclists!
>
>
+1
On this we heartily agree!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/13/2022 11:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 3/13/2022 12:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/12/2022 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 3/12/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:44:24 -0600, AMuzi
> >>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
> >>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> <snip>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Â Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil
> >>>>>>> the U.S.
> >>>>>>> gets from
> >>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or
> >>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>> the Russians
> >>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something
> >>>>>>> for
> >>>>>>> the News".
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
> >>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes
> >>>>>> sense
> >>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
> >>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
> >>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
> >>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
> >>>>>> control
> >>>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
> >>>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to
> >>>>>> Putin,
> >>>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
> >>>>>> responsibility
> >>>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone,
> >>>>>> but
> >>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
> >>>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have
> >>>>> exacerbated our
> >>>>> inflationary spiral.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr
> >>>>> Putin.
> >>>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to
> >>>>> do:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Be honest. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is largely
> >>>> governed by
> >>>> what U.S. citizens will pay. You want the price to go
> >>>> down? Just don't
> >>>> buy the damned stuff.
> >>>>
> >>>> But, Oh Yes, I forget. Y'all really do need those two cars
> >>>> to a
> >>>> family, don't you.
> >>>
> >>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
> >>>
> >>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >> we also have many more bicycles than cyclists. meh.
> >
> > Obviously, we need more cyclists!
> >
> >
> +1
> On this we heartily agree!

Quite comically Frank after arguing that high gas prices and the Great Recession occurred during Bush, shows several charts that all plainly show that they occurred entirely during the Obama regime. What do you suppose it is with Frank who offers "proof" for one argument that shows that he was wrong in another argument? The only way I can understand this is if just arguing is his entire point and the truth of something is incidental.

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:55:17 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 3/13/2022 11:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 3/13/2022 12:07 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 3/12/2022 6:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >>> On 3/12/2022 6:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:44:24 -0600, AMuzi
> > >>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
> > >>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> <snip>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Â Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil
> > >>>>>>> the U.S.
> > >>>>>>> gets from
> > >>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or
> > >>>>>>> what
> > >>>>>>> the Russians
> > >>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something
> > >>>>>>> for
> > >>>>>>> the News".
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
> > >>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes
> > >>>>>> sense
> > >>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
> > >>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
> > >>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
> > >>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
> > >>>>>> control
> > >>>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
> > >>>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to
> > >>>>>> Putin,
> > >>>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
> > >>>>>> responsibility
> > >>>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone,
> > >>>>>> but
> > >>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
> > >>>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have
> > >>>>> exacerbated our
> > >>>>> inflationary spiral.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr
> > >>>>> Putin.
> > >>>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to
> > >>>>> do:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Be honest. The price of gasoline in the U.S. is largely
> > >>>> governed by
> > >>>> what U.S. citizens will pay. You want the price to go
> > >>>> down? Just don't
> > >>>> buy the damned stuff.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> But, Oh Yes, I forget. Y'all really do need those two cars
> > >>>> to a
> > >>>> family, don't you.
> > >>>
> > >>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
> > >>>
> > >>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> we also have many more bicycles than cyclists. meh.
> > >
> > > Obviously, we need more cyclists!
> > >
> > >
> > +1
> > On this we heartily agree!
> Quite comically Frank after arguing that high gas prices and the Great Recession occurred during Bush, shows several charts that all plainly show that they occurred entirely during the Obama regime. What do you suppose it is with Frank who offers "proof" for one argument that shows that he was wrong in another argument? The only way I can understand this is if just arguing is his entire point and the truth of something is incidental.

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eia.gov%2Ftotalenergy%2Fdata%2Fmonthly%2Fpdf%2Fsec1_3.pdf&clen=72395&chunk=true

"Table 1.1 Primary Energy Overview

Fossil fuel production in quadrillion BTU's

2007 56.37
2008 57.53
2009 56.6
2010 58.16
2011 60.53
2012 62.3
2013 64.18
2914 69.62
2015 70.19
2016 65.43
2017 68.45
2018 75.76
2019 81.35
2020 75.73
2021 70.51"

As you can see there is a slight variation from year to year that mostly has to do with weather. But the SHARP drop in energy production from Biden occurred during one of the coldest winters on record. The drop between 2019 and 2020 was when we were being told we were in the hottest temperatures ever.

On 3/13/2022 6:51 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 11:01:17 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Quite comically Frank after arguing that high gas prices and the Great Recession occurred during Bush, shows several charts that all plainly show that they occurred entirely during the Obama regime. What do you suppose it is with Frank who offers "proof" for one argument that shows that he was wrong in another argument? The only way I can understand this is if just arguing is his entire point and the truth of something is incidental.
>
> chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/viewer.html?pdfurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.eia.gov%2Ftotalenergy%2Fdata%2Fmonthly%2Fpdf%2Fsec1_3.pdf&clen=72395&chunk=true
>
> "Table 1.1 Primary Energy Overview
>
> Fossil fuel production in quadrillion BTU's
>
> 2007 56.37
> 2008 57.53
> 2009 56.6
> 2010 58.16
> 2011 60.53
> 2012 62.3
> 2013 64.18
> 2914 69.62
> 2015 70.19
> 2016 65.43
> 2017 68.45
> 2018 75.76
> 2019 81.35
> 2020 75.73
> 2021 70.51"
>
> As you can see there is a slight variation from year to year that mostly has to do with weather. But the SHARP drop in energy production from Biden occurred during one of the coldest winters on record. The drop between 2019 and 2020 was when we were being told we were in the hottest temperatures ever.
Can you succinctly state your point? Is it that we should be burning as
much fossil fuel as possible? Really?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:55:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>
>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>> lack thereof).
>>> --
>>> Andrew Muzi
>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
>>
>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>> $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0.844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
>>
>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
>>
>
>Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
>well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
>before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
>invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
>Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
>EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
>I'll wait.

The word "frenzy" or maybe "Irrational" springs to mind. The price of
gold jewelry in Thailand increased by about 10% literally overnight
with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, never mind that the average
Thai probably can't point out the Ukraine on a map.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 12:51:50 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/12/2022 11:59 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 21:32:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/12/2022 8:43 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:21:26 -0500, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's better than that. We have more cars than drivers.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a9672/more-cars-than-drivers-in-us/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's all due to the failings of the American male.
>>>>
>>>> It used to be that before any parent would give you permission to
>>>> marry their daughter you had to be interviewed by the Father to ensure
>>>> that you were capable of "supporting her in the manner to which she is
>>>> accustomed". So "back in the day" the husband went off to work in the
>>>> morning to "earn the daily bread" while the wife stayed home, raised
>>>> the kids, kept the house, and generally "ran the family".
>>>>
>>>> Today, from what I read, the poor husband simply can't keep up with
>>>> all the family expenses and so the wife has to work.
>>>>
>>>> So, obviously, the family NEEDS two cars (:-)
>>>
>>> Well, like most things, it's more complicated. A great many of today's
>>> women claim to feel very unfulfilled if they merely take care of the
>>> home, raise the kids, do the cooking - all those traditional things.
>>> Today, "women can have it all!" That is, they can do all those things
>>> PLUS have fast rising executive careers. Of course, that means their
>>> husbands (should they deign to get married) will have to help do all
>>> those traditional things - or, as one couple I know, take them over
>>> completely as a sort of role reversal.
>>>
>>> My wife worked when we first married, stayed home when there was a new
>>> baby or toddler, then worked part time once the kids were in school. It
>>> seemed a good balance. Later, she returned to college, got a new degree
>>> and worked in a medical field. She and I were both proud of her
>>> accomplishments.
>>>
>>> Not long after, we were invited to a faculty party. On being introduced
>>> to and chatting with another "faculty wife" for a bit, my wife asked
>>> "And what do you do?" The response was more than a little defensive:
>>> "I'm just a homemaker." I told my wife she had to be careful asking that
>>> question of other women.
>>>
>>> I suppose I don't have a say in this, but I think it's a shame that
>>> women are made to think that they MUST "have it all" (home, husband,
>>> kids, career) to be considered successful. It seems like a frantic
>>> existence.
>>
>> Yes, I know. But I wonder.
>>
>> Standing up there with the three kids all in a row for their first
>> Communion, every one got their Catechism letter perfect, and all "A"
>> students at the school
>> Makes most people a little proud, doesn't it?
>
>I think those are things to be proud of.
>
>I've heard of cases where women prioritized their careers, etc. over
>their kids, and said "The kids will be all right."
>
>That bothers me. I think kids should be the higher priority.

I told your "wives story" to my wife who laughed and said that had she
been there she would have said, "Oh, I don't have to work as my
husband is able to support me".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:05:11 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 5:08 PM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 14:46:42 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>> >>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> <snip>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>> >>>>> gets from
>> >>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>> >>>>> the Russians
>> >>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>> >>>>> the News".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>> >>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>> >>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>> >>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>> >>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>> >>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>> >>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>> >>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>> >>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>> >>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>> >>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>> >>>
>> >>> Some people have different priorities. See
>> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>> >> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>> >> lack thereof).
>> >
>> > I think that "Russian Oil" actually amount to something like 1% of
>> > crude oil used in the U.S. and that could easily be replaced by oil
>> > from S. American countries... well except I think y'all have some sort
>> > of "pissing contest" going on with one of the larger oil producers
>> > "down there".
>> >
>> Speaking of our Southern neighbors, the travesty of PEMEX
>> mismanagement of Mexican oil fields is another sad story:
>>
>> https://jpt.spe.org/twa/yps-guide-mexico-land-contrasts
>>
>> Since Mr Obrador threw out the US firms with their excellent
>> US engineers and experts, production has diminished (same
>> story as Venezuela):
>>
>> https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/fire-hits-another-pemex-production-platform-according-to-mexican-reports/2-1-1167710?%3Fzephr_sso_ott=jKtA9C
>
>Oil production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico take huge steps to protect themselves from fire threats. After all, people are living on these platforms. Most of these fires are NOT accidental but from deliberate sabotage. There is natural gas that is vented downwind so all someone has to do is approach in the dead of night - often in these privately funded mini-submarines and light this vented gas. If you look at the reports of the investigations of these fires there are very few other explanations.

You live in some sort of dream world.

Off shore fires from venting gas? Utter Bull Shit!

No oil installation in the world deliberately vents gas, they would
have to be insane to do so. Every one of them flares, i.e., burns,
gas, if they don't have another use for it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/13/2022 9:29 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:55:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>>> lack thereof).
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
>>>
>>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>>> $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0.844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
>>>
>>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
>> well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
>> before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
>> invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
>> Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
>> EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
>> I'll wait.
>
> The word "frenzy" or maybe "Irrational" springs to mind. The price of
> gold jewelry in Thailand increased by about 10% literally overnight
> with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, never mind that the average
> Thai probably can't point out the Ukraine on a map.

And for a related example of "irrational":

Hey, let's all rush out and buy toilet paper!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 13:44:16 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 3/13/2022 11:55 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>>> lack thereof).
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine.  West Texas oil was about $94.88
>>> then.  Now it is $109.09.  $14 increase in three weeks.  About 15% rise.
>>>
>>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>>> $4.326 current average gas price.  $3.482 one month ago average
>>> price.  0.844 increase in one month.  24% increase in gas prices in
>>> one month.
>>>
>>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas
>>> prices and the invasion of Ukraine.  Now I will agree that gas prices
>>> and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year.
>>> As the economy has improved over the past year and people are
>>> returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more.  Demand for
>>> gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus.
>>> Demand increases prices.  At least that is what I learned in business
>>> school.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as well. Which
>> is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well before any current events
>> in Ukraine. If the Ukraine invasion is the cause, please explain Mr
>> Putin's role in Mr Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the
>> hysteric EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc. I'll
>> wait.
>
>Can we first see your detailed analysis of the new methane rules? Begin
>with climate effects of the present emissions, then analyze the costs
>and benefits of the rule changes, please. You might start here:
>https://www.epa.gov/newsreleases/us-sharply-cut-methane-pollution-threatens-climate-and-public-health
>
>It would be particularly interesting to see how many cents per gallon of
>the _current_ gasoline prices are due to the new _proposed_ rules on
>methane leaks.

As a general statement all "oil" producers regard "natural gas",
mostly Ethane and Methane, as garbage and it is normally flared, i.e.
burned, at the first processing plant that the crude flows through as
you can't pump gassy oil.

The usual process is to pump the "raw" crude through a water/gas
separator to separate gas and liquid water from the crude. In some
cases a second separator is used to separate emulsified water.

So, most of the Methane is separated as a first step in crude handling
and often simply burned although it is possible to process the gas and
recover, usually, natural gas, i.e., Ethane and Methane mix, heavier
gasses, i.e., LPG, and even some liquids.

In the case of the plant we installed in Central Indonesia the "lean
gas", basically Ethane/Methane was piped through a 20 km pipeline
connecting to the "Java Pipeline" which supplied at least one Cement
making plant and fertilizer plants. The LPG we shipped by tank truck
and the liquids essentially raw gasoline went to paint manufacturers.

This was back in perhaps the early 1990's and our 20 km pipeline was
required to have "gas sensors" and alarms every km. I think it was.

So most, if not all, of the schemes mentioned in the "Wow, It's New"
news release above are things that are well known and probably largely
already implemented in the Oil Industry. I'm guessing here but it is
probably more a matter of simply monitoring and enforcing existing
practices.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/13/2022 8:29 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:55:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>>> lack thereof).
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
>>>
>>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>>> $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0.844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
>>>
>>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
>> well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
>> before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
>> invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
>> Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
>> EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
>> I'll wait.
>
> The word "frenzy" or maybe "Irrational" springs to mind. The price of
> gold jewelry in Thailand increased by about 10% literally overnight
> with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, never mind that the average
> Thai probably can't point out the Ukraine on a map.
>

A spike in gold demand (and higher gold prices in many if
not all currencies) has been associated with war for centuries.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 4:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:44:28 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
> >>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>
> >>> <snip>
> >>>
> >>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
> >>>> gets from
> >>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
> >>>> the Russians
> >>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
> >>>> the News".
> >>>
> >>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
> >>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
> >>>
> >>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
> >>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
> >>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
> >>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
> >>>
> >>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
> >>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no control
> >>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
> >>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to Putin,
> >>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of responsibility
> >>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
> >>>
> >>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
> >>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
> >>>
> >> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
> >> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have exacerbated our
> >> inflationary spiral.
> >>
> >> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr Putin.
> >> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to do:
> >>
> >> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > Andy, your link above is one of Tommy's unbiased, neutral, honest sites.. Ha Ha. Some examples from the article.
> >
> > "Last spring, Biden signed a resolution that overturned Trump administration reforms to EPA oil and gas rules. This resolution will worsen energy poverty, reestablish burdensome regulations, and have a disproportionate impact on small businesses."
> > So Biden is reestablishing burdensome regulations, but Trump put in reforms? Anything biased there? The above quote is in a section talking about new regulations governing methane emissions. Its a crime to decrease methane. We should have more methane. Andy, do you think it would be good if we sealed your shop and filled it with methane gas? Actually you can do that by removing the traps from your plumbing and letting the methane gas from the sewer system come back into your shop. Isn't methane good?
> >
> > "The president also has rescinded Endangered Species Act reforms"
> > So they were reforms when Trump changed the Endangered Species Act laws.. But bad Biden rescinded these reforms. And changed the laws BACK to saving endangered animals and plants.
> >
> > "In April 2021, without the consent of Congress, Biden rejoined the Paris agreement, which will result in onerous new regulations that could raise energy costs."
> > Bad Biden joined up with them Frenchies again. France is evil. The USA should not do anything with the French. We should leave NATO and the G7. France is in them too. And the UN Security Council too. Bad France. Personally, I think its best to cooperate. Fighting and killing, as Russia is doing to Ukraine, is bad for everyone. Better to agree and work together. But this article is probably right. We should fight and kill and attack France and Europe. And leave NATO as Trump threatened to do numerous times. World would be much safer then.
> >
> > "The EPA has issued a final rule to phase out a common, inexpensive refrigerant. This policy is a de facto tax on air conditioning and refrigeration."
> > Freon gas causes damage to the ozone, environment. Its being replaced with less dangerous gases. Kind of like lead was removed from gas back in the 1970s. And asbestos was removed as insulation a long time ago. I'd say these are improvements.
> >
> > "In May 2021, Biden issued a sweeping executive order that mobilized federal agencies, including the Securities and Exchange Commission, to enforce mandates on businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers. These policies will stifle innovation critical to improving the environment and will increase costs for a wide variety of businesses."
> > This one is funny. Evil Biden is restricting and stifling "businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers" from improving the environment. That's rich.
> >
> > "The Biden administration has changed key inputs for economic and regulatory analysis, including raising the “social cost†of greenhouse gases. These policies will mask the true consumer cost of regulatory actions."
> > Sounds like evil Biden is looking at how many people will be killed and how much damage the world will sustain instead of how much money my Republican Trump buddies can make/steal. Wow, that must be tragic.
> >
> > "The EPA also has mandated that even facilities with reduced emissions must remain on the list of “major†sources, subjecting these facilities to permitting burdens and higher costs."
> > This one is rich too. So the writer of the article thinks people/facilities who follow the law, and reduce emissions, should be exempt from having to follow the law. Kind of like saying people who don't get speeding tickets, can speed and break the law when they want.
> >
> > "The Build Back Better agenda includes new taxes on natural gas and home heating. It also includes new taxes on petroleum and manufacturing."
> > MT GOD!!!!!!!!!!! Trying to pass legislation that is actually paid for???????? What a crazy concept. Better to borrow borrow borrow like Reagan, Bush, Trump. And cut taxes too. BIGGER Federal deficits. NO NEW TAXES ever to pay for anything. Doesn't Biden know how to run a government? Borrow Borrow Borrow. Never ever ever tax anything.
> >
> You're welcome to your opinion but describing the prior
> administration's regulatory relief of the extraction
> industries as 'reforms' is apt - the result was higher
> production, lower prices both of which flow directly into a
> healthy economy (paid any freight bills lately?).
>
> Moreover, on net the earth is better for USA extraction
> industries versus the much more destructive processes of our
> enemies- from whom we are now buying energy.
>
> And so on through your list. Facts matter, or ought to,
> while analyses may, and do, vary. YMMV.
>
> Back to my point, please explain how any of the events and
> policy failures listed and the resulting energy driven
> inflation is the fault of Mr Putin. I'll wait.

"policy failures"? Sounds like you have swallowed the opinions of those who wrote the article in your link. Some might say the Trump changes to the original policies was the failure.

"resulting energy driven inflation"
Is inflation being driven by energy prices? Energy prices are contributing a small amount to the rise in inflation. Below is a link for the latest February 2022 inflation rate of 7.9%. Please note that energy is up 25.6% over the last 12 months. This includes gasoline, fuel oil, electricity and natural gas. I do not know how much of the total 7.9% inflation is due to energy price increases. A small portion probably. 1-2% of the 7.9% is due to energy inflation. Some of the other categories of the inflation are food and used cars. You can claim higher fuel costs increase the price of food due to transportation costs. But used car price increases? Higher gasoline or other energies does not make used cars higher priced. So I would say "energy driven inflation" is an exaggeration.

https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf
Please see Table A on page 2.

"fault of Mr. Putin"
Not all, and not even much of the recent inflation is due to Mr. Putin. His latest attempt to destroy Ukraine has spooked the oil market and driven up oil prices in recent weeks. That has contributed to the rise in gasoline prices. Some. But the now 2 year Covid economic crash and recovery is the reason for almost all of the inflation appearing now. The world economy stopped from about March 2020 to November 2020. And it has slowly returned to sort of normal since. Lots more jobs. Lots more buying of goods. Covid shut down factories and made raw materials hard to source today. More demand today than supply. Result is higher inflation. Putin can only be blamed for a little of the gasoline increases in the past month or so. I believe in another post in this thread I showed the rise in oil commodity price since Putin invaded Ukraine. 15% rise in oil commodity prices since Ukraine invaded. 24% increase in gasoline prices.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 11:06:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/12/2022 5:13 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 11:05:55 +0100, Rolf Mantel
>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 12.03.2022 um 06:17 schrieb John B.:
>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 22:00:35 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 3/11/2022 8:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 19:42:34 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:49 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 07:49:56 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 10:19 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:34:40 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 7:29 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 19:12:47 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/10/2022 5:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 10 Mar 2022 07:59:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2022 10:57 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 22:23:10 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/9/2022 5:25 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 9 Mar 2022 11:40:16 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:16 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 21:46:18 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 8:23 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 08 Mar 2022 17:20:47 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 3:58 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 9:42 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:37 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 3/8/2022 10:38 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I can't get my mind around the pure stupidity of people
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who do not understand that the largest numbers of deaths
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and mostly of blacks are in entirely Democrat areas where
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they believe that "guns bad" and "gun control good".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bullshit. Tom, I'm sure you can't _remember_, but upthread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is a link to gun death rates per capita. Southern Republican
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> states do worse than most Democratic states.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Read the discussion again. Drop your hair-trigger right wing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prejudices for a bit and try to understand real data.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The bulk of firearms murders in the south are concentrated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in New Orleans, Atlanta, Miami etc; same phenomenon as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elsewhere in USA.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Which is why I countered the call for a national program
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or policy earlier with a call for subsidiarity instead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The problems of Milwaukee are not the problems of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surrounding high density suburban counties, under the same
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> statutes and same governor.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> While Frank is correct that gun deaths per capita tend to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> higher in red states, the FBI cautions against using any one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> demographic marker.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What contributes to political party preference are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> underlying factors that also lead to higher crime rates,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> including poverty and low education levels. Red states tend
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be poorer and have lower education levels.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you look at the election results in the last election of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 15 states with the highest education levels, only 1,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Utah, went for Trump.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As Trump stated when he won in 2016: “We won with poorly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> educated. I love the poorly educated.�
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice topic drift there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Milwaukee administrations have been Socialist Party or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrat overwhelmingly for over 100 years. Statewide,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wisconsin is a switch hitter. No more reliable Democrat
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> party stronghold than Chicago. Illinois statewide has
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> embraced competent and incompetent from both major parties.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But socialism is so appealing to the American Public.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What is a surer way to get elected then to tell the voters, "Elect me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I'll give you...". You know, things like Social Security,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Unemployment, Medicaid (or whatever they call it), food and housing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> assistance, Aid to Unwed Mothers, and on and on.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What does health care cost in Thailand? Refresh our memory.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here? For a citizen, 30 baht a visit, about 91 cents U.S., and free
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for those over 60.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But what are you trying to prove? That Social Security, etc., are not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> socialistic services as I stated?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That "socialism is so appealing to the American Public"?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That Thailand provides socialistic services for their citizens?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or what?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm indicating (or emphasizing) that what you said is true in most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> places. And I'm hinting that it's often a net benefit for the citizenry
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and the society.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But Frank, you are arguing a "fact" that was never discussed.I stated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that " But socialism is so appealing to the American Public." and that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the way to get elected was to , "to tell the voters, "Elect me and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll give you...".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I wasn't arguing. I was agreeing with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sheesh!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A change of subject, but I believe that the U.S. has had what might be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called "socialized medicine" since just after WW II. I had an uncle
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> who was wounded in combat and had back problems for years after and I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> remember him going to "The Veteran's Hospital" which, I believe, was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some sort of "government" hospital.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As with any large institution, a mixed bag. I know a lot of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> veterans who avoid the VA where there is any other
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> alternate. Then again a valued customer (Special Forces
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1963~1966) of long standing says he used to avoid them, but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> says once one develops the usual panoply of 'old man
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> troubles' they are tops. Locally, we've had serious VA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deficiencies which became national news while simultaneously
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no one does serious combat injuries better.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to argue but in my uncle's case the doctors, at the Vet's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hospital, suggested fusing two vertebrae as a probably cure for his
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem. Which he resisted for years - "they don't know what they are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> talking about".
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Finally the pain grew so great that he could no longer work - he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an electrician doing mostly construction work - and he finally, after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> years of pain decided to let them go ahead and fuse two vertebrae.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> After, perhaps, two weeks in the hospital (it was a long time ago and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I forget) he got out and was able to go back to work. He used to say
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> things like, "Gee I wish they had done this years ago."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> As I noted, a mixed bag. My two Senators are as far apart
>>>>>>>>>>>>> politically as any two Americans could be, yet they agree on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://revealnews.org/article/alarm-over-wisconsin-vas-troubles-follows-years-of-complaints/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I read that reference and it seemed to me that it was largely about a
>>>>>>>>>>>> single individual, a "chief of staff, psychiatrist Dr. David Houlihan"
>>>>>>>>>>>> who seems to have subscribed substantial amounts of "opiates" and "bad
>>>>>>>>>>>> mouthed" those who "bad mouthed" him. But all of the complaints seem
>>>>>>>>>>>> to come from non-medically qualified people. i.e., not other doctors
>>>>>>>>>>>> on the staff.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not to argue right or wrong, but I wonder what the patients had to
>>>>>>>>>>>> say?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The dead ones didn't have much to add. It seems, as with the
>>>>>>>>>>> Indian Health Service pederasts, that management knew they
>>>>>>>>>>> had a problem but between civil service rules and general
>>>>>>>>>>> cowardice, did nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Indian Health? I thought it was a VA Hospital (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But as I said, did anyone ask the patients? Or the patients families?
>>>>>>>>>> Not really an argument but what was the result of this "excess
>>>>>>>>>> medication" to the patient or his or her's family?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes the article mentions "overdose" but an "overdose" is "more then
>>>>>>>>>> the prescribed dose", is it not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, more to the point, read the actual I.G. Report. It reads to me,
>>>>>>>>>> at least, like a bunch of disgruntled pharmacist who made a loud noise
>>>>>>>>>> about what the doctor was prescribing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But, more to the point, the Summations and Conclusions of the report
>>>>>>>>>> state:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "We did not substantiate the majority of the allegations ,made in the
>>>>>>>>>> various complaints received... and... "Although allegations dealing
>>>>>>>>>> with overuse of narcotics at the facility may have some merit they do
>>>>>>>>>> not constitute evidence of wrongdoing. We did not find any conclusive
>>>>>>>>>> evidence affirming criminal activity, gross clinical incompetence or
>>>>>>>>>> negligence or administrative practices illegal or violated personnel
>>>>>>>>>> policies".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here's what DVA says :
>>>>>>>>> https://www.disabledveterans.org/2015/02/25/wisconsin-va-opioid-scandal-hits-national-news/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yup, I read that and there is a certain amount of "Oh My God! Ain't It
>>>>>>>> Awful!" written there. One Veteran was described as " taking over one
>>>>>>>> dozen drugs" Oh! My! Goodness!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But right now, today, I am taking 9 pills in the morning, 3 after
>>>>>>>> supper and 2 before I go to bed at night. For 3 different physical
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But, more to the point, has anyone asked the patients what they think.
>>>>>>>> Or their parents, wife, etc?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't know the particulars but it garnered a lot of
>>>>>>> attention at the time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, these things often do. I read AlJazeera news which seems to
>>>>>> report facts but usually presents them in a very partial manner. I
>>>>>> read about The U.S. saying hat they wouldn't buy crude from Russia.
>>>>>> The news articles made it sound like this would be a major happening -
>>>>>> "We'll get them Ruskies!"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S. gets from
>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what the Russians
>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for the News".
>>>>>>
>>>>> Nor are there stops on cash flows in or out of Russia and
>>>>> Russian banks. The radio news just replays the 45-1/2th
>>>>> President blathering about 'severe sanctions' which isn't true.
>>>>
>>>> Added to that I just read that Germany refused to have anything to do
>>>> with The U.S. fuel scheme. And, I suspect that the rest of Europe will
>>>> follow. See
>>>> https://www.statista.com/statistics/1201743/russian-gas-dependence-in-europe-by-country/
>>>
>>> Actually, the EU-wide decision was to reduce volumes by 2/3 this year
>>> and go down to zero within 5 years. This was aligned with the US.
>>>
>>> It's a difficult decision whether it's better to buy oil from Inran,
>>> Russia or Venezuela (supposedly the Iran sanctions were about to be
>>> lifted but with the invasion, Russia blocked their part of the deal).
>>>
>>> Rolf
>>>
>>
>> My reference was to natural gas and how can Germany, for example, that
>> now gets something like half of the gas they use from Russian going to
>> reduce that to zero? Buy it from the U.S. at much higher
>> transportation cost then the Russian pipeline(s)?
>>
>
>I wonder what changed here in recent years (see chart):
>https://www.norskpetroleum.no/en/production-and-exports/exports-of-oil-and-gas/
>
To quantify that just a bit. The sale cost of natural gas is largely
dependent on transportation costs. If there is a pipeline then it is
cheap but if transported by ship it is more expensive. Considerably
more in some cases.

On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 21:25:21 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 3/13/2022 8:29 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 13 Mar 2022 10:55:01 -0500, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
>>>>>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
>>>>>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
>>>>>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
>>>>>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people have different priorities. See
>>>>>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
>>>>> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
>>>>> lack thereof).
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>
>>>> February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
>>>>
>>>> https://gasprices.aaa.com/
>>>> $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0.844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
>>>>
>>>> I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
>>> well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
>>> before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
>>> invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
>>> Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
>>> EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
>>> I'll wait.
>>
>> The word "frenzy" or maybe "Irrational" springs to mind. The price of
>> gold jewelry in Thailand increased by about 10% literally overnight
>> with the Russian invasion of the Ukraine, never mind that the average
>> Thai probably can't point out the Ukraine on a map.
>>
>
>A spike in gold demand (and higher gold prices in many if
>not all currencies) has been associated with war for centuries.

Certainly, but half way round the world in a country that most here
couldn't locate on a map?

The argument may be that Oh! It depends on the World price", but that
doesn't seem to be true. At least not in day to day fluctuations.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 3/13/2022 9:31 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:49:29 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 3/12/2022 4:29 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:44:28 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2022 1:44 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U.S.
>>>>>> gets from
>>>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
>>>>>> the Russians
>>>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
>>>>>> the News".
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
>>>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
>>>>>
>>>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
>>>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
>>>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
>>>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
>>>>>
>>>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
>>>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no control
>>>>> over this. That said, Trump, who denied military aid to
>>>>> Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up to Putin,
>>>>> and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of responsibility
>>>>> for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
>>>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
>>>>>
>>>> We agree there's no comparison between the suffering in
>>>> Ukraine and high fuel prices here which have exacerbated our
>>>> inflationary spiral.
>>>>
>>>> Ms Psaki says high fuel pries are to be blamed on Mr Putin.
>>>> Here are some of the things Mr Putin forced Mr Biden to do:
>>>>
>>>> https://americansforprosperity.org/biden-policies-raising-gas-prices/?utm_source=whatcounts&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=ntlnewsletter220312
>>>> --
>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>
>>> Andy, your link above is one of Tommy's unbiased, neutral, honest sites. Ha Ha. Some examples from the article.
>>>
>>> "Last spring, Biden signed a resolution that overturned Trump administration reforms to EPA oil and gas rules. This resolution will worsen energy poverty, reestablish burdensome regulations, and have a disproportionate impact on small businesses."
>>> So Biden is reestablishing burdensome regulations, but Trump put in reforms? Anything biased there? The above quote is in a section talking about new regulations governing methane emissions. Its a crime to decrease methane. We should have more methane. Andy, do you think it would be good if we sealed your shop and filled it with methane gas? Actually you can do that by removing the traps from your plumbing and letting the methane gas from the sewer system come back into your shop. Isn't methane good?
>>>
>>> "The president also has rescinded Endangered Species Act reforms"
>>> So they were reforms when Trump changed the Endangered Species Act laws. But bad Biden rescinded these reforms. And changed the laws BACK to saving endangered animals and plants.
>>>
>>> "In April 2021, without the consent of Congress, Biden rejoined the Paris agreement, which will result in onerous new regulations that could raise energy costs."
>>> Bad Biden joined up with them Frenchies again. France is evil. The USA should not do anything with the French. We should leave NATO and the G7. France is in them too. And the UN Security Council too. Bad France. Personally, I think its best to cooperate. Fighting and killing, as Russia is doing to Ukraine, is bad for everyone. Better to agree and work together. But this article is probably right. We should fight and kill and attack France and Europe. And leave NATO as Trump threatened to do numerous times. World would be much safer then.
>>>
>>> "The EPA has issued a final rule to phase out a common, inexpensive refrigerant. This policy is a de facto tax on air conditioning and refrigeration."
>>> Freon gas causes damage to the ozone, environment. Its being replaced with less dangerous gases. Kind of like lead was removed from gas back in the 1970s. And asbestos was removed as insulation a long time ago. I'd say these are improvements.
>>>
>>> "In May 2021, Biden issued a sweeping executive order that mobilized federal agencies, including the Securities and Exchange Commission, to enforce mandates on businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers. These policies will stifle innovation critical to improving the environment and will increase costs for a wide variety of businesses."
>>> This one is funny. Evil Biden is restricting and stifling "businesses, insurers, retirement funds, and suppliers" from improving the environment. That's rich.
>>>
>>> "The Biden administration has changed key inputs for economic and regulatory analysis, including raising the “social cost†of greenhouse gases. These policies will mask the true consumer cost of regulatory actions."
>>> Sounds like evil Biden is looking at how many people will be killed and how much damage the world will sustain instead of how much money my Republican Trump buddies can make/steal. Wow, that must be tragic.
>>>
>>> "The EPA also has mandated that even facilities with reduced emissions must remain on the list of “major†sources, subjecting these facilities to permitting burdens and higher costs."
>>> This one is rich too. So the writer of the article thinks people/facilities who follow the law, and reduce emissions, should be exempt from having to follow the law. Kind of like saying people who don't get speeding tickets, can speed and break the law when they want.
>>>
>>> "The Build Back Better agenda includes new taxes on natural gas and home heating. It also includes new taxes on petroleum and manufacturing."
>>> MT GOD!!!!!!!!!!! Trying to pass legislation that is actually paid for???????? What a crazy concept. Better to borrow borrow borrow like Reagan, Bush, Trump. And cut taxes too. BIGGER Federal deficits. NO NEW TAXES ever to pay for anything. Doesn't Biden know how to run a government? Borrow Borrow Borrow. Never ever ever tax anything.
>>>
>> You're welcome to your opinion but describing the prior
>> administration's regulatory relief of the extraction
>> industries as 'reforms' is apt - the result was higher
>> production, lower prices both of which flow directly into a
>> healthy economy (paid any freight bills lately?).
>>
>> Moreover, on net the earth is better for USA extraction
>> industries versus the much more destructive processes of our
>> enemies- from whom we are now buying energy.
>>
>> And so on through your list. Facts matter, or ought to,
>> while analyses may, and do, vary. YMMV.
>>
>> Back to my point, please explain how any of the events and
>> policy failures listed and the resulting energy driven
>> inflation is the fault of Mr Putin. I'll wait.
>
> "policy failures"? Sounds like you have swallowed the opinions of those who wrote the article in your link. Some might say the Trump changes to the original policies was the failure.
>
> "resulting energy driven inflation"
> Is inflation being driven by energy prices? Energy prices are contributing a small amount to the rise in inflation. Below is a link for the latest February 2022 inflation rate of 7.9%. Please note that energy is up 25.6% over the last 12 months. This includes gasoline, fuel oil, electricity and natural gas. I do not know how much of the total 7.9% inflation is due to energy price increases. A small portion probably. 1-2% of the 7.9% is due to energy inflation. Some of the other categories of the inflation are food and used cars. You can claim higher fuel costs increase the price of food due to transportation costs. But used car price increases? Higher gasoline or other energies does not make used cars higher priced. So I would say "energy driven inflation" is an exaggeration.
>
> https://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/cpi.pdf
> Please see Table A on page 2.
>
> "fault of Mr. Putin"
> Not all, and not even much of the recent inflation is due to Mr. Putin. His latest attempt to destroy Ukraine has spooked the oil market and driven up oil prices in recent weeks. That has contributed to the rise in gasoline prices. Some. But the now 2 year Covid economic crash and recovery is the reason for almost all of the inflation appearing now. The world economy stopped from about March 2020 to November 2020. And it has slowly returned to sort of normal since. Lots more jobs. Lots more buying of goods. Covid shut down factories and made raw materials hard to source today. More demand today than supply. Result is higher inflation. Putin can only be blamed for a little of the gasoline increases in the past month or so. I believe in another post in this thread I showed the rise in oil commodity price since Putin invaded Ukraine. 15% rise in oil commodity prices since Ukraine invaded. 24% increase in gasoline prices.
>
>
>

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 10:55:07 AM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 3/12/2022 4:42 PM, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 12, 2022 at 2:46:47 PM UTC-6, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 3/12/2022 2:39 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>> On 3/12/2022 2:44 PM, sms wrote:
> >>>> On 3/11/2022 6:21 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> <snip>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Â I did a bit of research and the amount of oil the U..S.
> >>>>> gets from
> >>>>> Russia is a tiny percentage of what the U.S. uses or what
> >>>>> the Russians
> >>>>> produce. So the threat seems to be largely "something for
> >>>>> the News".
> >>>>
> >>>> Also, there are currently 9,173 approved and available
> >>>> permits to drill for oil on federal and Indian lands.
> >>>>
> >>>> The oil companies decide whether, and when, it makes sense
> >>>> to use those permits. They don't want to flood the market
> >>>> with oil, especially when their existing wells, mainly in
> >>>> Alaska, are already not running at capacity.
> >>>>
> >>>> It's absurd to blame the president, any president, for
> >>>> gasoline price increases because they have almost no
> >>>> control over this. That said, Trump, who denied military
> >>>> aid to Ukraine for personal political gain, who cozied up
> >>>> to Putin, and who tried to weaken NATO, bears a lot of
> >>>> responsibility for what is transpiring in Ukraine right now.
> >>>>
> >>>> I don't like the high gas prices any more than anyone, but
> >>>> think of what the people in Ukraine are going through.
> >>>
> >>> Some people have different priorities. See
> >>> https://tinyurl.com/3c7x7y6c
> >>>
> >>>
> >> Cute but the destruction of Ukraine has piss-all to do with
> >> US fuel prices, our inflation spiral and energy policy (or
> >> lack thereof).
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >
> > February 24, Russia invaded Ukraine. West Texas oil was about $94.88 then. Now it is $109.09. $14 increase in three weeks. About 15% rise.
> >
> > https://gasprices.aaa.com/
> > $4.326 current average gas price. $3.482 one month ago average price. 0..844 increase in one month. 24% increase in gas prices in one month.
> >
> > I'd guess there is a real strong correlation with oil prices and gas prices and the invasion of Ukraine. Now I will agree that gas prices and oil prices have been trending upwards for the past 1 plus year. As the economy has improved over the past year and people are returning to normal livelihoods and driving more and more. Demand for gas and oil has increased considerably over the past year plus. Demand increases prices. At least that is what I learned in business school.
> >
> Oh good. Then you remember the other side of the equation as
> well. Which is why regulatory barriers spiked prices well
> before any current events in Ukraine. If the Ukraine
> invasion is the cause, please explain Mr Putin's role in Mr
> Gensler's destruction of oil industry finance, the hysteric
> EPA new methane rule, extraction permit suppression etc.
> I'll wait.

I presume you mean Gary Gensler, the SEC chairman appointed April 2021. He destroyed the financing of the oil industry? I'm not sure how he could do this. But are you aware that all oil wells take years to develop. Oil companies get loans or investments for oil wells now and the oil wells will not produce any sellable oil until 1 or 2 or 3 or 5 or 10 years from now. So how does someone who has not even been on the job for one year, destroy the oil companies' ability to finance new wells that would come into service today to produce more oil. Which is what everyone is screaming about today. High gasoline prices so we need MORE oil now. It might be very simple thinking on my part, but I think oil companies finance themselves and their oil wells based on how much oil they can discover AND most importantly, the price the oil will sell for. If they can produce oil at $50 a barrel and sell it for $100 a barrel. Guaranteed. Banks and investors will be lining up to give them money. Key to financing is high oil prices for big profit.

I don't know which methane gas rules you are talking about specifically. But I believe methane gas is dangerous. Its poisonous to humans. So I fail to understand how any rules limiting the exposure to deadly gases would be considered hysterical. If you like methane gas so much, you can simply remove the traps from your toilet and sinks in your shop and house and you will get ample methane gas from the sewer system. I do not advise this.

Extract permit suppression?
https://news.yahoo.com/biden-outpaces-trump-issuing-drilling-030433163.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall
This story says Biden is doing worse than Trump for destroying Federal land with oil permits. But as you know, having a permit is not the whole story.. You need the permit, PLUS gas and oil prices to be high enough to make it worthwhile to drill. And today, commodity prices are high enough. Due to the upsurge in the economy after the Covid downturn, and helped by Ukraine Russia war too.

> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 12:05:13 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, March 13, 2022 at 9:02:00 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
> > Speaking of our Southern neighbors, the travesty of PEMEX
> > mismanagement of Mexican oil fields is another sad story:
> >
> > https://jpt.spe.org/twa/yps-guide-mexico-land-contrasts
> >
> > Since Mr Obrador threw out the US firms with their excellent
> > US engineers and experts, production has diminished (same
> > story as Venezuela):
> >
> > https://www.upstreamonline.com/safety/fire-hits-another-pemex-production-platform-according-to-mexican-reports/2-1-1167710?%3Fzephr_sso_ott=jKtA9C
> Oil production platforms in the Gulf of Mexico take huge steps to protect themselves from fire threats. After all, people are living on these platforms. Most of these fires are NOT accidental but from deliberate sabotage. There is natural gas that is vented downwind so all someone has to do is approach in the dead of night - often in these privately funded mini-submarines and light this vented gas. If you look at the reports of the investigations of these fires there are very few other explanations.

I hereby nominate this Tommy post as the most ludicrous, nonsensical post ever in the entire history of the internet. I am well aware Tommy has posted many many many many many many zingers on every topic on earth. But this one rises right to the top. He must have devoted an entire sleepless night coming up with this one.

Google search on "oil platform fires" turns up the following:
Why do oil rigs have fire on top?
A flare stack produces a fire as part of controlled burning taking place for a few typical reasons: 1) as part of testing to stabilize pressure and flow from a well 2) managing waste gas that can't be captured or processed 3) for safety or emergency situations to release pressure.

Can oil rigs catch on fire?
Unfortunately, oil platforms have a high-risk of fire or explosion—even though water surrounds them. Between the high use of electricity and fuel to run the different machinery, a tiny spark could have a devastating consequence for the workers on board.

How many oil rigs have caught fire?
Between 2007 and 2018, 33 offshore oil rigs exploded in the United States, according to the Bureau of Safety and Environmental Enforcement (BSEE).

https://www.arnolditkin.com/oil-rig-explosions/major-oil-rig-disasters/
This is a website for a lawyer company that sues oil companies that have accidents. So take it with a grain of salt. But nowhere on the website do they say environmentalists in submarines started the fires.

Tommy boy has truly gone over the cliff with this post. Jeff, you live near Tommy in Cailfornia. You need to rush right over to his house and get him into a straight jacket. For his safety and the whole world's safety too.