Lou Holtman <lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>>
>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>
> I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only
> radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
>
> Lou
>
>
>
My biggest problem is not cars but bikes, in that my damaged vestibular
system can’t track folks as well in a group so I shy away from fast club
runs say, and big mass events. But I can’t see it helping much.

But yes I know a few folks both online and in person who love theirs but
they do much more road riding.

Roger Merriman

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 7:49:35 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
>> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>> Huge snips
>>>
>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>>> are detrimental.
>>>
>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>>
>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>>
>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>>
>> No one is, I’ve never had a Carbon Fibre bike nor realistically likely to,
>> disks well as others I’ve always wanted better brakes both MTBing and on
>> road.
>>
>> Less chain rings does seem to be less faff which more cogs at back allows
>> plus bigger range and so on, but again I’m on 10s and not alone in this.
>>
>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>
>> Helmets it’s part of the uniform as you where, but I’m not bothered by them
>> either way, I’m aware that their protection is limited but certainly the
>> MTB ie peaked one’s are useful in other ways.
>>
>> Roger Merriman
>
> I am of the opinion that 9 speeds was all you needed on the back and if
> you were the sort that needed very low climbing gears you used a triple
> on the front. Now you can prevent the triple slipping to the inside with
> a dog fang with completely ends that sort of problem. The more I ride my
> 11 or 12 speed bikes the less I like the continuous fiddling with the
> shifting. My 9 speeds were quite reliable and didn't need messing with all of the time.
>
10s gave me better range and closer ratios than 9s both on the MTB and
Gravel bike and the triple was always a tedious system where as the double
is really of no worry and I like being able to drop into the small ring if
exploring and finding a steep ramp which off road is common.

If buying new I’d probably go 1by but it’s marginal my old MTB ie commute
bike is 1by and works well.

Roger Merriman

Tom Kunich <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:44:58 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:41:33?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:01:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
>>>>> bicycles in the USA.
>>>>>>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
>>>>> Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>>>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
>>>>> business.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
>>>>> it when he
>>>>>>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
>>>>> phone
>>>>>>>>> back, etcetera.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>>>>>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>>>>>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>>>>>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>>>>>>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
>>>>> preaching to
>>>>>>> the choir.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
>>>>> and WordStar
>>>>>>> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>>>>>>> handwriting on the wall.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> pH in Aptos
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
>>>>>> at the time (:-)...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
>>>>>> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
>>>>>> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
>>>>>> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
>>>>>> minutes (:-)...
>>>>>> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
>>>>>> (:-)
>>>>>
>>>>> The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
>>>>> The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
>>>>> her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
>>>>> part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
>>>>> damaged relationships.
>>>>>
>>>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>>>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>>>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>>>>> are detrimental.
>>>> As if she actually knew which technology is beneficial to other
>>>> people.
>>>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>>>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>>> Most people already do that without sanctmonious advice from do-gooder
>>>> central.
>>>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>>>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>>>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>>> No, the alternative is to ignore unsolicited advice.
>>>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>>>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>>> You buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. Why I buy what I buy
>>>> is none of your, or her business.
>>>
>>> I find the responses of Frank to show why he became a teacher rather
>>> than try and provide the world with competent skills.
>> Those that can, do, those that can't, teach?
>
> Teaching is a much easier job than actually working at a craft.
>
Not in my experience, I have trained folks to various things over the
years. Folks learn in different ways and speeds and all that.

Roger Merriman

On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>>
>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>
> I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.

Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!

Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 5/24/2023 10:48 AM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>
>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>
> No one is ...

Clearly, many people are!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:21:00 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 12:44:58 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Tue, 23 May 2023 12:14:45 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 8:41:33?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:01:04 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOS...@gmail.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone
> >>>>> bicycles in the USA.
> >>>>>>>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open
> >>>>> Rivendell Bicycle
> >>>>>>>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in
> >>>>> business.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of
> >>>>> it when he
> >>>>>>>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell
> >>>>> phone
> >>>>>>>>> back, etcetera.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
> >>>>>>>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
> >>>>>>>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
> >>>>>>>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
> >>>>>>>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's
> >>>>> preaching to
> >>>>>>> the choir.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's
> >>>>> and WordStar
> >>>>>>> forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
> >>>>>>> handwriting on the wall.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> pH in Aptos
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
> >>>>>> at the time (:-)...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
> >>>>>> program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
> >>>>>> project we had in the Java sea and it worked great....
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
> >>>>>> two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
> >>>>>> minutes (:-)...
> >>>>>> And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
> >>>>>> (:-)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The article wasn't talking against using computers in productive ways.
> >>>>> The author (a journalist) began by discussing the detrimental effects on
> >>>>> her family of her own Twitter use. She felt compelled to use Twitter as
> >>>>> part of her career, but later decided it was so addicting that it
> >>>>> damaged relationships.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
> >>>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
> >>>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
> >>>>> are detrimental.
> >>>> As if she actually knew which technology is beneficial to other
> >>>> people.
> >>>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
> >>>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
> >>>> Most people already do that without sanctmonious advice from do-gooder
> >>>> central.
> >>>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
> >>>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
> >>>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
> >>>> No, the alternative is to ignore unsolicited advice.
> >>>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
> >>>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
> >>>> You buy what you want, and I'll buy what I want. Why I buy what I buy
> >>>> is none of your, or her business.
> >>>
> >>> I find the responses of Frank to show why he became a teacher rather
> >>> than try and provide the world with competent skills.
> >> Those that can, do, those that can't, teach?
> >
> > Teaching is a much easier job than actually working at a craft.
> >
> Not in my experience, I have trained folks to various things over the
> years. Folks learn in different ways and speeds and all that.
>
> Roger Merriman

I would offer that TRAINING is not the same as teaching because it is very directed rather than general ideas.

On Wed, 24 May 2023 12:01:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/24/2023 7:06 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 23, 2023 at 11:44:27?AM UTC-4, floriduh dumbass wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 11:17:31 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> And there are people posting here who find some bit of outlier evidence
>>>> and think it refutes tens of thousands of data points.
>>>>
>>>> I'm guessing those people are the ones making the various state lottery
>>>> programs so profitable.
>>> Coorelation is not causation..
>>
>> nope, never is....that's why you shouldn't worry about riding your tricycle over broken glass....dumbass.
>
>And smoking has nothing to do with lung cancer, drinking water quality
>has nothing to do with cholera, looking both ways doesn't make crossing
>the street safer ...

Like Junior, Krygowski confuses demonstrable cause and effect with
coorelation.

>I'd have thought it would be tiring to maintain such a high level of
>ignorance. But I guess it comes naturally to some.

Q.E.D.

On 5/24/2023 10:56 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
> Teaching is a much easier job than actually working at a craft.

Try it. Report back.

Brief tale: One of my duties running the program was to hire engineers
as part time instructors. It wasn't always easy. I needed degreed
engineers willing to work for the same low pay as someone teaching
remedial English. I was lucky enough to have several who were dedicated
to passing on their knowledge, but sometimes I struggled.

Not long after taking over the program I had a low level Mechanics
course for which I couldn't find a part timer. My chairman gave me a
list of engineers he had used, and on it I found the name of a guy who
had been a friend and classmate of mine years ago. He was smart,
personable, and working successfully as an engineer at a very modern
plant. I excitedly told my chairman I was going to call him.

The chairman stopped me and vetoed the guy. He said that guy had taught
just one class and they never rehired him. As a teacher he was so bad
that most student dropped the course, electing to take it later from
someone better.

I'll also mention that during my teaching years, I was awarded two "back
to industry" sabbaticals. Each time, I spent the year working as an
engineer in local companies. The stated purpose was to get me up to date
with modern engineering practices and procedures; but the sabbaticals
were wonderful breaks. I worked only 40 hours per week, I was home by
5:30 or so, I had no grading or test preparation long into the night. I
even took breaks for lunch!

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 5:56:25 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 8:42:04 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
> > >
> > > Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
> > > fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
> > > often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
> > > of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
> >
> > Lou
> I prefer the mirror because it allows me to SEE which lane as well as how fast cars are approaching. Now my mirror appears to be jumping around a great deal as my speeds get higher, but then the approaches tend to be relatively slower. Near the bottom of a local hill I move into middle of the road because the approaching cars are near my speed and have another lane to move into.

The head unit can show the speed the car is approaching if you want. The headunit always gives an indication of the speed in a colorcode and and you see the car approaching by a moving dot starting at about 150 meters. You also see the number of cars. As I said unexpectedly handy.

Lou

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:33:06 PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
> >>
> >> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
> >> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
> >> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
> >> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
> >
> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
>
> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

I needed a rear light, the radar was ‘collateral damage’ and I like it. In the ‘old’ day I just looked over my shoulder. Even simpler than a mirror.

Lou

On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
<lou.holtman@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:33:06?PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35?PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>> >>
>> >> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>> >> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>> >> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>> >> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>> >
>> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
>> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
>> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
>>
>> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
>I needed a rear light, the radar was ‘collateral damage’ and I like it. In the ‘old’ day I just looked over my shoulder. Even simpler than a mirror.
>
>Lou

Sorry, Krygoski says you don't need it. Take it back.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:43:22 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:33:06?PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35?PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:..
> >> >>
> >> >> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
> >> >> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
> >> >> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
> >> >> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
> >> >
> >> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
> >> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> >> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
> >>
> >> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> >
> >I needed a rear light, the radar was ‘collateral damage’ and I like it. In the ‘old’ day I just looked over my shoulder. Even simpler than a mirror.
> >
> >Lou
> Sorry, Krygoski says you don't need it. Take it back.

Krygowski doesn't seem to be doing an effective job of teaching.

On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:43:22?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
>> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:33:06?PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35?PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>> >> >> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>> >> >> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>> >> >> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>> >> >
>> >> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
>> >> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
>> >> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
>> >>
>> >> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> >I needed a rear light, the radar was ‘collateral damage’ and I like it. In the ‘old’ day I just looked over my shoulder. Even simpler than a mirror.
>> >
>> >Lou
>> Sorry, Krygoski says you don't need it. Take it back.
>
>Krygowski doesn't seem to be doing an effective job of teaching.

He's afraid to have a gun in his house. Such timidity....

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>>>
>>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>
>> I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only
>> radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
>
> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
>
> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
>
My experience with them was they where rubbish, far too narrow view and
some wobble.

Nothing like say the view from a motorcycle say.

As such never trusted them.

Roger Merriman

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:17:05 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:45:42 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 10:43:22?AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Wed, 24 May 2023 10:31:33 -0700 (PDT), Lou Holtman
> >> <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 6:33:06?PM UTC+2, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> >> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35?PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
> >> >> >> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
> >> >> >> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
> >> >> >> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
> >> >> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> >> >> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
> >> >>
> >> >> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> - Frank Krygowski
> >> >
> >> >I needed a rear light, the radar was ‘collateral damage’ and I like it. In the ‘old’ day I just looked over my shoulder. Even simpler than a mirror.
> >> >
> >> >Lou
> >> Sorry, Krygoski says you don't need it. Take it back.
> >
> >Krygowski doesn't seem to be doing an effective job of teaching.
> He's afraid to have a gun in his house. Such timidity....

Well, that is his choice. I don't much care for his reasoning but it is his right.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 11:43:20 AM UTC-7, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
> >>>
> >>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
> >>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
> >>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
> >>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
> >>
> >> I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only
> >> radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a helmet rear view mirror.
> >
> > Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> > that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
> >
> > Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
> >
> My experience with them was they where rubbish, far too narrow view and
> some wobble.
>
> Nothing like say the view from a motorcycle say.
>
> As such never trusted them.
>
> Roger Merriman
Indeed those are negatives but on smooth roads without too much speed, they work well enough to be an improvement over looking over your shoulder. I wont go anywhere without one now.

On 5/24/2023 2:40 PM, Roger Meriman wrote:
> Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!
>>
> My experience with them was they where rubbish, far too narrow view and
> some wobble.
>
> Nothing like say the view from a motorcycle say.
>
> As such never trusted them.

I make my own, to clip onto my eyeglasses temple. They protrude just
7cm, weigh 7 grams and are rock solid. The plastic mirror surface is
about 15 x 22 mm. At that distance from my eye, it shows most of the
lane behind or beside me, and allows me to scan side to side easily.

It's best not to trust a mirror 100%, but I find it a big help in
traffic. If I can see a vehicle to my left, I know it's not time to
change lanes to the left. If I can't see a vehicle, I still glance back
to be sure.

I also find it a big help when riding with others, both to prevent
bike-to-bike collisions and to be sure nobody is being dropped.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:48:27 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
wrote:

>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>Huge snips
>>
>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>> are detrimental.
>>
>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>
>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>
>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>
>No one is, I’ve never had a Carbon Fibre bike nor realistically likely to,
>disks well as others I’ve always wanted better brakes both MTBing and on
>road.
>
>Less chain rings does seem to be less faff which more cogs at back allows
>plus bigger range and so on, but again I’m on 10s and not alone in this.
>
>Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>
>Helmets it’s part of the uniform as you where, but I’m not bothered by them
>either way, I’m aware that their protection is limited but certainly the
>MTB ie peaked one’s are useful in other ways.
>
>Roger Merriman
>

But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
benefit them.

There are innumerable examples of "innovations" that greatly benefit
one individual or group of individuals, which they "jump on", but
which another group might well demonize as "just a fad".

I remember my maternal grandmother nagging her youngest daughter about
buying a NEW, MODERN, gas cooking stove as her (Granny's) wood cooking
stove was far more efficient then the new, modern, gas stove that
the daughter had just bought. You see, she argued, "the wood stove
keeps the kitchen warm and you can cook on it while your gas stove is
only good for cooking".

Or the microwave oven. Or an electric can opener. Or even all those
gears for bicycles ( after all, the first guy to ride across the U.S.
did it on a single speed bicycle :-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:51:17 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>
> >
> But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
> resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
> benefit them.

People certainly decide what they THINK will benefit them. My point is that
many people make those decisions based on advertisements - and as I've
pointed out in other posts, by whatever is in fashion. And many of those
decisions are mistakes, such as wastes of money with no real benefits.

I think we can contrast two posters to this group. One is a California guy who
is noted for very frequently churning his bike and equipment choices. What
do you suppose puts the ideas in his mind that each new bottom bracket,
handlebar, gear change system etc. will make him ride like he's 30, or 40 or 50?

Let's contrast him with a poster living in Thailand. How often has that guy churned
through his equipment choices? How many surprisingly affordable Chinese aero
wheels has he bought? How many electronic shifters has he tried? Are his
latest handlebars less than a year old?

Which of those guys would you say is paying more attention to advertising?
Which of those guys would you say is more sensible?

- Frank Krygowski

On Wed, 24 May 2023 19:55:50 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:51:17?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>
>> >
>> But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
>> resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
>> benefit them.
>
>People certainly decide what they THINK will benefit them. My point is that
>many people make those decisions based on advertisements - and as I've
>pointed out in other posts, by whatever is in fashion. And many of those
>decisions are mistakes, such as wastes of money with no real benefits.
>
>I think we can contrast two posters to this group. One is a California guy who
>is noted for very frequently churning his bike and equipment choices. What
>do you suppose puts the ideas in his mind that each new bottom bracket,
>handlebar, gear change system etc. will make him ride like he's 30, or 40 or 50?
>
>Let's contrast him with a poster living in Thailand. How often has that guy churned
>through his equipment choices? How many surprisingly affordable Chinese aero
>wheels has he bought? How many electronic shifters has he tried? Are his
>latest handlebars less than a year old?
>
>Which of those guys would you say is paying more attention to advertising?
>Which of those guys would you say is more sensible?
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Sensible is a subjective evaluation. Thank goodness we all are not
ruled by Krygowski's evaluation of it. Thank goodness we all are not
ruled by Krygowski's evaluation of anything.

Must be difficut for RBT's resident narcissist to go through life
seeing people living a much more rewarding life than his, and not
being able to do anything about it but whine.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:49:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:48:27 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>Huge snips
>>>
>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>>> are detrimental.
>>>
>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>>
>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>>
>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>>
>>No one is, I’ve never had a Carbon Fibre bike nor realistically likely to,
>>disks well as others I’ve always wanted better brakes both MTBing and on
>>road.
>>
>>Less chain rings does seem to be less faff which more cogs at back allows
>>plus bigger range and so on, but again I’m on 10s and not alone in this.
>>
>>Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>>fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>>often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>>of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>
>>Helmets it’s part of the uniform as you where, but I’m not bothered by them
>>either way, I’m aware that their protection is limited but certainly the
>>MTB ie peaked one’s are useful in other ways.
>>
>>Roger Merriman
>>
>
>But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
>resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
>benefit them.
>
>There are innumerable examples of "innovations" that greatly benefit
>one individual or group of individuals, which they "jump on", but
>which another group might well demonize as "just a fad".
>
>I remember my maternal grandmother nagging her youngest daughter about
>buying a NEW, MODERN, gas cooking stove as her (Granny's) wood cooking
>stove was far more efficient then the new, modern, gas stove that
>the daughter had just bought. You see, she argued, "the wood stove
>keeps the kitchen warm and you can cook on it while your gas stove is
>only good for cooking".
>
>Or the microwave oven. Or an electric can opener. Or even all those
>gears for bicycles ( after all, the first guy to ride across the U.S.
>did it on a single speed bicycle :-)

Understand that Krygowski's rants aren't really about advertisements,
they're about his being jealous of other people living a more
rewarding than him.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 03:32:59 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:49:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:48:27 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>Huge snips
>>>>
>>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>>>> are detrimental.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>>>
>>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>No one is, I’ve never had a Carbon Fibre bike nor realistically likely to,
>>>disks well as others I’ve always wanted better brakes both MTBing and on
>>>road.
>>>
>>>Less chain rings does seem to be less faff which more cogs at back allows
>>>plus bigger range and so on, but again I’m on 10s and not alone in this.
>>>
>>>Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>>>fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>>>often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>>>of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>>
>>>Helmets it’s part of the uniform as you where, but I’m not bothered by them
>>>either way, I’m aware that their protection is limited but certainly the
>>>MTB ie peaked one’s are useful in other ways.
>>>
>>>Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>>But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
>>resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
>>benefit them.
>>
>>There are innumerable examples of "innovations" that greatly benefit
>>one individual or group of individuals, which they "jump on", but
>>which another group might well demonize as "just a fad".
>>
>>I remember my maternal grandmother nagging her youngest daughter about
>>buying a NEW, MODERN, gas cooking stove as her (Granny's) wood cooking
>>stove was far more efficient then the new, modern, gas stove that
>>the daughter had just bought. You see, she argued, "the wood stove
>>keeps the kitchen warm and you can cook on it while your gas stove is
>>only good for cooking".
>>
>>Or the microwave oven. Or an electric can opener. Or even all those
>>gears for bicycles ( after all, the first guy to ride across the U.S.
>>did it on a single speed bicycle :-)
>
>
>Understand that Krygowski's rants aren't really about advertisements,
>they're about his being jealous of other people living a more
>rewarding than him.

....a more rewarding life than him.

On Thu, 25 May 2023 03:32:59 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Thu, 25 May 2023 08:49:38 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 24 May 2023 14:48:27 GMT, Roger Meriman <roger@sarlet.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>> On 5/23/2023 2:42 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>Huge snips
>>>>
>>>> Her point was that not all technology is beneficial to the things that
>>>> really matter in life. She mentioned some religious groups (not just
>>>> Amish) that put thought into which technologies are beneficial and which
>>>> are detrimental.
>>>>
>>>> It's not that they reject all technology. Instead, they attempt to
>>>> examine benefits vs. detriments and make rational decisions.
>>>>
>>>> The alternative is to slavishly jump on every new technology, based on
>>>> the latest fashion trends, or based on the glowing testimonials of
>>>> advertisers and reviews in magazines paid to carry the advertisements.
>>>>
>>>> Twitter. TikTok. Snapchat. Disc brakes. Carbon fiber. Yet another rear
>>>> cog. Radar taillights. Foam hats. Whatever.
>>>>
>>>No one is, I’ve never had a Carbon Fibre bike nor realistically likely to,
>>>disks well as others I’ve always wanted better brakes both MTBing and on
>>>road.
>>>
>>>Less chain rings does seem to be less faff which more cogs at back allows
>>>plus bigger range and so on, but again I’m on 10s and not alone in this.
>>>
>>>Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>>>fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>>>often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the advantage
>>>of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>>
>>>Helmets it’s part of the uniform as you where, but I’m not bothered by them
>>>either way, I’m aware that their protection is limited but certainly the
>>>MTB ie peaked one’s are useful in other ways.
>>>
>>>Roger Merriman
>>>
>>
>>But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
>>resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
>>benefit them.
>>
>>There are innumerable examples of "innovations" that greatly benefit
>>one individual or group of individuals, which they "jump on", but
>>which another group might well demonize as "just a fad".
>>
>>I remember my maternal grandmother nagging her youngest daughter about
>>buying a NEW, MODERN, gas cooking stove as her (Granny's) wood cooking
>>stove was far more efficient then the new, modern, gas stove that
>>the daughter had just bought. You see, she argued, "the wood stove
>>keeps the kitchen warm and you can cook on it while your gas stove is
>>only good for cooking".
>>
>>Or the microwave oven. Or an electric can opener. Or even all those
>>gears for bicycles ( after all, the first guy to ride across the U.S.
>>did it on a single speed bicycle :-)
>
>
>Understand that Krygowski's rants aren't really about advertisements,
>they're about his being jealous of other people living a more
>rewarding than him.

Or, perhaps an insane urge to demonstrate that he is better then
anybody.... what do they call it? A "Narcissistic personality
disorder"?

Note the change in U.S. English. In my Granny's day she would have
said, "Batty as a Bed Bug". Today, it's a "disorder" (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 9:51:17 PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>
>>>
>> But does the world "slavishly jump on every new technology" as our
>> resident "expert" has it, or do people decide for themselves what will
>> benefit them.
>
> People certainly decide what they THINK will benefit them. My point is that
> many people make those decisions based on advertisements - and as I've
> pointed out in other posts, by whatever is in fashion. And many of those
> decisions are mistakes, such as wastes of money with no real benefits.
>
> I think we can contrast two posters to this group. One is a California guy who
> is noted for very frequently churning his bike and equipment choices. What
> do you suppose puts the ideas in his mind that each new bottom bracket,
> handlebar, gear change system etc. will make him ride like he's 30, or 40 or 50?
>
> Let's contrast him with a poster living in Thailand. How often has that guy churned
> through his equipment choices? How many surprisingly affordable Chinese aero
> wheels has he bought? How many electronic shifters has he tried? Are his
> latest handlebars less than a year old?
>
> Which of those guys would you say is paying more attention to advertising?
> Which of those guys would you say is more sensible?
>
> - Frank Krygowski
>

Tom while he does change his kit, isn’t really a exponent of technology
he’s decidedly Luke warm on tubeless mind you road tubeless is marginal
gains and all that personally I feel.

For my Gravel bike it’s for the win, even if when it goes tends to go big.
Hence I don’t trust it for the MTB, plus for that bike tubes just work.

Also disks Tom isn’t keen at all, he also has steel bikes? Ie not Carbon.

Your massively overstated the role of marketing, in terms of buying habits,
to be honest I think your fixed in your ways, I’m not saying all new stuff
is brilliant, because it isn’t but its worth being curious and interested
in technology.

Personally stuff I like GPS computers and connected features and
navigation, though I have no desire to buy a new one just for free ride
climb pro, say.

I’ve been impressed with tubeless does have it niggles ie repairs in the
field seem difficult what ever YouTube etc folks might say! But one the
whole it’s good in the right use.

Disks well it’s a mature decades old technology, though have been impressed
by newer finned pads which keep the temperature impressively low and thus
reduce fade!

Roger Merriman

Am 24.05.2023 um 18:33 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> On 5/24/2023 11:42 AM, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> On Wednesday, May 24, 2023 at 4:49:35 PM UTC+2, Roger Meriman wrote:.
>>>
>>> Radar lights, does seem to work well ie warns of cars approaching very
>>> fast, but while cool technology I have no use for it. My road riding is
>>> often on roads I like which tends to be quieter roads, that’s the
>>> advantage
>>> of the Gravel bike you can pick and choose.
>>
>> I never thought I would but I really like my radar rear light in only
>> radar mode. Very usefull and more convenient and less dorky as a
>> helmet rear view mirror.
>
> Well, of _course_ one wouldn't want a much simpler non-electronic device
> that was "dorky" - IOW unfashionable!
>
> Heck, mirrors aren't even advertised much! They can't be any good!

I love my take-a-look mirror (it might be well over 20 years old now).
Sadly, there was a long time I did not have any cycling shades with
straight frame to fasten it onto.