On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:39:46 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>> > On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> > <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>> >> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>> >>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>> >>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>> >>>
>> >>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>reality.
>> >>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>Fear
>> >>> sells advertisement.
>> >>
>> >> Crime is not dropping..
>> >>
>> >>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>> >>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>> >>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>> >>>
>> >>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>> >>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>> >>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>> >>>
>> >>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>> >>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>> >>>
>> >>> - Frank Krygowski
>> >
>> > The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>> > European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>> > page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>> > detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>> > referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>
>>I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>
>>Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>
>>But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>
>>I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>
>>But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>similar fear.
>
>You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.

Worse, he certainly seems to exaggerate (the kindest description) or
perhaps the U.S. is far more fearful then other countries. After all,
we have occasional reports of elephant attacks here and nobody runs
and hides their head.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 5/21/2023 2:00 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:39:46 -0400, Catrike Rider
> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>> reality.
>>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>> Fear
>>>>>> sells advertisement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crime is not dropping..
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>>
>>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>>
>>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>>
>>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>>
>>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>>
>>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>> similar fear.
>>
>> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
>
> Worse, he certainly seems to exaggerate (the kindest description) or
> perhaps the U.S. is far more fearful then other countries. After all,
> we have occasional reports of elephant attacks here and nobody runs
> and hides their head.

I'm pretty sure the U.S. leads in the number of guns purchased for
"protection." Draw your own conclusion about U.S. fearfulness.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2023 12:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>> reality.
>>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>> Fear
>>>>>> sells advertisement.
>>>>>
>>>>> Crime is not dropping..
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>
>>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>>
>>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>>
>>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>>
>>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>>
>>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>>
>>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>> similar fear.
>>
>> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
>
>Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
>without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.

<SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
ride with his feet attached to his pedals.

>I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
>without carrying a gun.

<LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo? Do you do it anywhere that
would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
minutes? Do you do it where there is no cell service? Do you do it
where there are large black bear populations?

I do all the above.

Do you ride at all anymore?

From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
than not, with big group of other riders. Some of which you say are
police, who are likely to be carrying guns. Riding back and forth to
the grovery and the drug store are not dangerous.

On Mon, 22 May 2023 01:00:27 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:39:46 -0400, Catrike Rider
><soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>>> > On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>> > <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>> >> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>> >>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>>> >>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>>reality.
>>> >>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>>Fear
>>> >>> sells advertisement.
>>> >>
>>> >> Crime is not dropping..
>>> >>
>>> >>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>>> >>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>>> >>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>>> >>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>>> >>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>>> >>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> - Frank Krygowski
>>> >
>>> > The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>>> > European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>>> > page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>>> > detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>>> > referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>>
>>>I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>>fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>>Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>>
>>>Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>>once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>>pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>>
>>>But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>>thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>>disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>>by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>>
>>>I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>>people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>>explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>>news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>>was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>>
>>>But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>>similar fear.
>>
>>You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
>
>Worse, he certainly seems to exaggerate (the kindest description) or
>perhaps the U.S. is far more fearful then other countries. After all,
>we have occasional reports of elephant attacks here and nobody runs
>and hides their head.

Krygowski seems to be the only one on this group trying to make others
fearful...

On Sun, 21 May 2023 14:29:35 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2023 2:00 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:39:46 -0400, Catrike Rider
>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>>>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>>> reality.
>>>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>>> Fear
>>>>>>> sells advertisement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crime is not dropping..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>>>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>>>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>>>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>>>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>>>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>>>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>>>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>>>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>>>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>>>
>>>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>>>
>>>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>>>
>>>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>>>
>>>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>>>
>>>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>>> similar fear.
>>>
>>> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
>>
>> Worse, he certainly seems to exaggerate (the kindest description) or
>> perhaps the U.S. is far more fearful then other countries. After all,
>> we have occasional reports of elephant attacks here and nobody runs
>> and hides their head.
>
>I'm pretty sure the U.S. leads in the number of guns purchased for
>"protection." Draw your own conclusion about U.S. fearfulness.

Most gun owners have no fear of what they bought the guns for.

On 5/21/2023 2:30 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
>> without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
>
> <SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
> gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
> ride with his feet attached to his pedals.

Wrong, as usual. And it's telling that you make that your standard for
courage!

>> I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
>> without carrying a gun.
>
> <LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo?

Gosh, not since Friday!

> Do you do it anywhere that
> would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
> minutes?

I don't know police response time in detail. I've done night rides on
remote trails that I don't know how the cops would even get access -
certainly not with police cruisers. I've ridden coast to coast,
including places where I couldn't even guess where the nearest human
being might have been.

> Do you do it where there is no cell service?

Of course. That's not difficult at all in hilly rural territory.

> Do you do it
> where there are large black bear populations?

Large? I don't know. I've ridden where I've seen a mother bear and two
cubs within a couple hundred feet. Hell, we've had a black bear within
about 300 feet of our house, although we didn't know it until later. The
sighting was reported in the daily paper, from the street parallel to
ours. I've seen coyotes and one bobcat while riding, plus tons of other
wildlife. In Florida and in Georgia I've ridden past alligators basking
on the road or just off it.

> I do all the above.

Ah yes. While lying down and carrying a handgun. On a rugged, rugged
paved bicycle path in flat Florida. To which you hauled your tricycle in
your truck, because oh, those streets are scary!

>
> Do you ride at all anymore?
>
> From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
> where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
> than not, with big group of other riders.

All of that is false. Your imagination and "memory" are nearly as bad as
Kunich's.

And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
within minutes. That's just weird.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 11:31:51 AM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2023 12:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
> >>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
> >>>> <sol...@drafting.not> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >>>>> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> >>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
> >>> reality.
> >>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime..
> >>> Fear
> >>>>>> sells advertisement.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Crime is not dropping..
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
> >>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
> >>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
> >>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
> >>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
> >>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
> >>>>
> >>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
> >>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
> >>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
> >>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
> >>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
> >>>
> >>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
> >>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
> >>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same..)
> >>>
> >>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
> >>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
> >>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
> >>>
> >>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
> >>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
> >>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
> >>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
> >>>
> >>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
> >>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
> >>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
> >>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
> >>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
> >>>
> >>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
> >>> similar fear.
> >>
> >> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
> >
> >Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
> >without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
> <SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
> gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
> ride with his feet attached to his pedals.
> >I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
> >without carrying a gun.
> <LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo? Do you do it anywhere that
> would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
> minutes? Do you do it where there is no cell service? Do you do it
> where there are large black bear populations?
>
> I do all the above.
>
> Do you ride at all anymore?
>
> From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
> where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
> than not, with big group of other riders. Some of which you say are
> police, who are likely to be carrying guns. Riding back and forth to
> the grovery and the drug store are not dangerous.

Just to give you some idea of Frank's mentality - He considers my home a "Hell hole" because he lives in a totally white area that would leave him shivering in fear if Justice Clarence Thomas were to move there.

On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2023 2:30 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
> >> without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
> >
> > <SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
> > gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
> > ride with his feet attached to his pedals.
>
>Wrong, as usual. And it's telling that you make that your standard for
>courage!
>
> >> I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
> >> without carrying a gun.
> >
> > <LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo?
>
>Gosh, not since Friday!
>
> > Do you do it anywhere that
> > would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
> > minutes?
>
>I don't know police response time in detail. I've done night rides on
>remote trails that I don't know how the cops would even get access -
>certainly not with police cruisers.

Me too, regularly.

> I've ridden coast to coast,
>including places where I couldn't even guess where the nearest human
>being might have been.

Bullshit. You rode on streets amd roads

> > Do you do it where there is no cell service?
>
>Of course. That's not difficult at all in hilly rural territory.
>
> > Do you do it
> > where there are large black bear populations?
>
>Large? I don't know. I've ridden where I've seen a mother bear and two
>cubs within a couple hundred feet. Hell, we've had a black bear within
>about 300 feet of our house, although we didn't know it until later.

The Green Swamp has a large bear population. I've seen several on the
trail there. I saw one on the Withlacoochee trail and also one on the
Starkey Park Trail

The
>sighting was reported in the daily paper, from the street parallel to
>ours.

Ah, yes, in the safety of your house...

>I've seen coyotes and one bobcat while riding, plus tons of other
>wildlife. In Florida and in Georgia I've ridden past alligators basking
>on the road or just off it.

<LOL Coyotes and bobcats aren't dangerous, and alligators and snakes,
some poison, are a common occurance where I ride. You just find a big
stick and bang it on the road and they move off. Most Floridans just
laugh at people who even bother to mention seeing alligators and
snakes.

> > I do all the above.
>
>Ah yes. While lying down and carrying a handgun. On a rugged, rugged
>paved bicycle path in flat Florida. To which you hauled your tricycle in
>your truck, because oh, those streets are scary!

Many bicycle trails in Florida go through wilderness areas. Reclining
a few inches off the ground makes it difficult to get free and run. A
three wheel recumbent can't turn on a dime, either.

> >
> > Do you ride at all anymore?
> >
> > From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
> > where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
> > than not, with big group of other riders.
>
>All of that is false. Your imagination and "memory" are nearly as bad as
>Kunich's.

What I described is all I see you post about. You mention riding off
to the grocery and going on group rides. You've mentioned riding a
few rural roads and trails in your vacinity. I've been in your area.
It's pretty tame.

>And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
>person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
>within minutes. That's just weird.

You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
be."

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 2:39:19 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2023 2:30 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
> > >> without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
> > >
> > > <SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
> > > gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
> > > ride with his feet attached to his pedals.
> >
> >Wrong, as usual. And it's telling that you make that your standard for
> >courage!
> >
> > >> I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
> > >> without carrying a gun.
> > >
> > > <LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo?
> >
> >Gosh, not since Friday!
> >
> > > Do you do it anywhere that
> > > would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
> > > minutes?
> >
> >I don't know police response time in detail. I've done night rides on
> >remote trails that I don't know how the cops would even get access -
> >certainly not with police cruisers.
> Me too, regularly.
> > I've ridden coast to coast,
> >including places where I couldn't even guess where the nearest human
> >being might have been.
> Bullshit. You rode on streets amd roads
> > > Do you do it where there is no cell service?
> >
> >Of course. That's not difficult at all in hilly rural territory.
> >
> > > Do you do it
> > > where there are large black bear populations?
> >
> >Large? I don't know. I've ridden where I've seen a mother bear and two
> >cubs within a couple hundred feet. Hell, we've had a black bear within
> >about 300 feet of our house, although we didn't know it until later.
> The Green Swamp has a large bear population. I've seen several on the
> trail there. I saw one on the Withlacoochee trail and also one on the
> Starkey Park Trail
> The
> >sighting was reported in the daily paper, from the street parallel to
> >ours.
> Ah, yes, in the safety of your house...
> >I've seen coyotes and one bobcat while riding, plus tons of other
> >wildlife. In Florida and in Georgia I've ridden past alligators basking
> >on the road or just off it.
> <LOL Coyotes and bobcats aren't dangerous, and alligators and snakes,
> some poison, are a common occurance where I ride. You just find a big
> stick and bang it on the road and they move off. Most Floridans just
> laugh at people who even bother to mention seeing alligators and
> snakes.
> > > I do all the above.
> >
> >Ah yes. While lying down and carrying a handgun. On a rugged, rugged
> >paved bicycle path in flat Florida. To which you hauled your tricycle in
> >your truck, because oh, those streets are scary!
> Many bicycle trails in Florida go through wilderness areas. Reclining
> a few inches off the ground makes it difficult to get free and run. A
> three wheel recumbent can't turn on a dime, either.
> > >
> > > Do you ride at all anymore?
> > >
> > > From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
> > > where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
> > > than not, with big group of other riders.
> >
> >All of that is false. Your imagination and "memory" are nearly as bad as
> >Kunich's.
> What I described is all I see you post about. You mention riding off
> to the grocery and going on group rides. You've mentioned riding a
> few rural roads and trails in your vacinity. I've been in your area.
> It's pretty tame.
> >And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
> >person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
> >within minutes. That's just weird.
> You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
> and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
> be."

I certainly have a bad memory, but it doesn't take a photographic memory like I once had to know that Frank is a crawling worm of a coward that believes where I live is a Hell Hole and that I should run like the coward and racist he is. The only time I've truly in danger of being shot and killed was from some stupid rookie cop who paid for that with his job. Krygowski is a communist that believes that the police are there to protect good little communists like him.

On 5/21/2023 5:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>
>
>> And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
>> person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
>> within minutes. That's just weird.
>
>
> You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
> and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
> be."

I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.

IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
likely, by deliberately lying.

Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
for safety; that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida. You
don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail. You are afraid to do
even that riding without carrying a gun. You are afraid to enter into
conversations with others when you ride.

No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
cowardly poster. Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
others.

Also, TRY to get over your obsession with me! You're following me like a
yapping chihuahua, annoying as hell and no more intelligent.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 21 May 2023 20:29:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/21/2023 5:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >
> >> And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
> >> person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
> >> within minutes. That's just weird.
> >
> >
> > You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
> > and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
> > be."
>
>I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
>that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.

You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
were more likely to get shot.. That's an admission that you fear
having a gun in your home.

>IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
>likely, by deliberately lying.

<LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....

>Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
>for safety;

Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
don't ride there any more.

> that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
>afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.

Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..

>You
>don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.

<LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
depressions to traverse.

>You are afraid to do
>even that riding without carrying a gun.

A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.

>You are afraid to enter into
>conversations with others when you ride.

Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.

>No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
>cowardly poster.

Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.

> Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.

Never have..

But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?
>And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
>others.

You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
relationships like fish need water.

>Also, TRY to get over your obsession with me! You're following me like a
>yapping chihuahua, annoying as hell and no more intelligent.

<SNORT> Not nearly as much as you follow Tom around 'like a
yapping chihuahua." That doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much as
it bothers you.

On Sun, 21 May 2023 14:30:09 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/21/2023 12:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:28:24 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 5/21/2023 5:49 AM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 04:57:58 -0400, Catrike Rider
>>>>> <soloman@drafting.not> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
>>>>>>>> becoming more and more lawless.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than
>>>> reality.
>>>>>>> Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime.
>>>> Fear
>>>>>>> sells advertisement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Crime is not dropping..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And certainly surveys of gun owners
>>>>>>>> seem to enforce that viewpoint with nearly 50% of gun owners surveyed
>>>>>>>> stated that they own a gun for protection.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Right. They are responding to marketing, telling them that the world is
>>>>>>> horribly dangerous. And that they will be likely to save themselves by
>>>>>>> using their lightning-quick reflexes to blast away some bad guy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let me ask seriously: Do you get the same sort of messages from media
>>>>>>> in Thailand? I'm also curious about Netherlands, Britain, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> - Frank Krygowski
>>>>>
>>>>> The English Language news, here, prints relatively little U.S. or
>>>>> European news. Today there were total of 14 stories on the "front
>>>>> page" of the Bangkok Post's site. 11 were local news reported in some
>>>>> detail and 2 on a side bar relate to the Cannes Movie thing and 1
>>>>> referring to Johnny Depp (whoever he is).
>>>>
>>>> I should have been more specific. Do Thai news outlets engage in as much
>>>> fear mongering as U.S. news outlets? (And I'd also like to know whether
>>>> Dutch, German, British, Australian, Canadian news sources do the same.)
>>>>
>>>> Our local newspaper, like most in America, is a sad remnant of what it
>>>> once was. It doesn't do much national news; but if there's a multi-car
>>>> pileup on a Colorado freeway, our paper will probably mention it.
>>>>
>>>> But the online or TV news outlets are worst, instilling fear of events
>>>> thousands of miles away. A Tesla catches fire, a child catches Lyme
>>>> disease, a tornado hits a town center, or a distant gang member is shot
>>>> by another gang member. The subtext often is "It could happen to you!"
>>>>
>>>> I know there are financial reasons for this. It lures eyeballs because
>>>> people really are compelled to pay attention to bad news. That's been
>>>> explained in terms of evolution: For most of human existence, if you got
>>>> news of a nighttime leopard attack, it could only be because the leopard
>>>> was nearby. The news put you on alert and helped your family's survival.
>>>>
>>>> But today, we get news of a leopard attack in Africa, and react with
>>>> similar fear.
>>>
>>> You certainly are a fearful little man, Krygowski.
>>
>>Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
>>without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
>
><SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
>gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
>ride with his feet attached to his pedals.
>
>>I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
>>without carrying a gun.
>
><LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo? Do you do it anywhere that
>would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
>minutes? Do you do it where there is no cell service? Do you do it
>where there are large black bear populations?
>
>I do all the above.
>
>Do you ride at all anymore?
>
>From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
>where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
>than not, with big group of other riders. Some of which you say are
>police, who are likely to be carrying guns. Riding back and forth to
>the grovery and the drug store are not dangerous.

See There! You don't pay attention. If you did you would realize that
Frank is the ultimate authority on many things. Anything he "sets his
mind to" in fact.. Granted some unlettered folks might argue that
Frank can't possibly be as knowledgeable as he claims but that is very
much a "sour grapes" attitude.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 6:09:43 PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 20:29:43 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >On 5/21/2023 5:39 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
> > > On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
> > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >
> > >> And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
> > >> person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
> > >> within minutes. That's just weird.
> > >
> > >
> > > You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
> > > and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
> > > be."
> >
> >I haven't mentioned anything about _me_ being fearful. If you dispute
> >that, find the post where I said that, and link to it.
> You proclaimed, incorrectly, that people who had guns in their homes
> were more likely to get shot.. That's an admission that you fear
> having a gun in your home.
> >IOW, you're mimicking Kunich by either "remembering" wrongly or, more
> >likely, by deliberately lying.
> <LOL> Krygowski's gaslighting attempts are pathetic....
> >Again: You are afraid to claim a traffic lane when legal and necessary
> >for safety;
> Nope, I've done that.. more than once. It was a few years ago. I
> don't ride there any more.
> > that's what got you mad at me in the first place. You are
> >afraid to ride anywhere but on a paved bike trail in flat Florida.
> Nope... I routinely ride on rural roads. I did it just last Friday..
> >You
> >don't even have the courage to bike TO the trail.
> <LOL> Courage? No, it doesn't take courage, just a desire to stay
> off a nasty, potholed road or the cement sidewalk/bike trail alongside
> it. The sidewalk has a seam every few feet and several driveway
> depressions to traverse.
> >You are afraid to do
> >even that riding without carrying a gun.
> A wise move, on my part, says the local LEO.
> >You are afraid to enter into
> >conversations with others when you ride.
> Huh? You can't converse when you're riding solo.
> >No other poster here has all those limitations, which makes you our most
> >cowardly poster.
> Except you, who is afraid to attach your feet to the bike's pedals.
> It's not all that hard, maybe you could take some lessons.
> > Don't claim to be tough and brave, it's not working.
> Never have..
>
> But then, unlike me, you've never gone off sailing in the Caribbean
> all alone for several months. Unlike me, you've never gone scuba
> diving amongst sharks. You've never been brave enough to hike and camp
> solo in the high Rocky Moutains where there are grizzleys, like I
> have. Have you ever surprised a moose and had her come after you?
> >And drop the psychological projection, attributing your own cowardice to
> >others.
> You've never had the courage to do anything the slightest bit
> adventurous. You're afraid of being alone. You need you're your social
> relationships like fish need water.
> >Also, TRY to get over your obsession with me! You're following me like a
> >yapping chihuahua, annoying as hell and no more intelligent.
> <SNORT> Not nearly as much as you follow Tom around 'like a
> yapping chihuahua." That doesn't seem to bother him nearly as much as
> it bothers you.

I have an outside cat that I feed. The next door neighbors have a forever barking Chihuahua. One time that loud little animal chewed a hole in my fence and came into the yard. Smokey was lounging in front of the French doors and that dog came running up and barking in a continuous refrain.

Smokey never even raised an eyebrow and just sat lounging there as the dog became more and more frantic that the cat wasn't in the least afraid and was bigger than he was. I watched the humorous goings on for a little while and then went out and chased the dog back into his yard and patched the hole..

On Sun, 21 May 2023 15:15:52 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 2:39:19?PM UTC-7, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 16:03:07 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> >On 5/21/2023 2:30 PM, Catrike Rider wrote:
>> > > On Sun, 21 May 2023 12:59:03 -0400, Frank Krygowski
>> > > <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> Bullshit, from the only wimp on this group so timid as to never ride
>> > >> without a handgun, and to ride only on kiddie trails.
>> > >
>> > > <SNORT> Krygowski warns us about how dangerous it is to just have a
>> > > gun in his home. He's the only wimp on this group so timid as to never
>> > > ride with his feet attached to his pedals.
>> >
>> >Wrong, as usual. And it's telling that you make that your standard for
>> >courage!
>> >
>> > >> I ride in places that would make you soak your Depends. And I do it
>> > >> without carrying a gun.
>> > >
>> > > <LOL> No you don't. Do you ride solo?
>> >
>> >Gosh, not since Friday!
>> >
>> > > Do you do it anywhere that
>> > > would take the police or an ambulance to get to in more than 45
>> > > minutes?
>> >
>> >I don't know police response time in detail. I've done night rides on
>> >remote trails that I don't know how the cops would even get access -
>> >certainly not with police cruisers.
>> Me too, regularly.
>> > I've ridden coast to coast,
>> >including places where I couldn't even guess where the nearest human
>> >being might have been.
>> Bullshit. You rode on streets amd roads
>> > > Do you do it where there is no cell service?
>> >
>> >Of course. That's not difficult at all in hilly rural territory.
>> >
>> > > Do you do it
>> > > where there are large black bear populations?
>> >
>> >Large? I don't know. I've ridden where I've seen a mother bear and two
>> >cubs within a couple hundred feet. Hell, we've had a black bear within
>> >about 300 feet of our house, although we didn't know it until later.
>> The Green Swamp has a large bear population. I've seen several on the
>> trail there. I saw one on the Withlacoochee trail and also one on the
>> Starkey Park Trail
>> The
>> >sighting was reported in the daily paper, from the street parallel to
>> >ours.
>> Ah, yes, in the safety of your house...
>> >I've seen coyotes and one bobcat while riding, plus tons of other
>> >wildlife. In Florida and in Georgia I've ridden past alligators basking
>> >on the road or just off it.
>> <LOL Coyotes and bobcats aren't dangerous, and alligators and snakes,
>> some poison, are a common occurance where I ride. You just find a big
>> stick and bang it on the road and they move off. Most Floridans just
>> laugh at people who even bother to mention seeing alligators and
>> snakes.
>> > > I do all the above.
>> >
>> >Ah yes. While lying down and carrying a handgun. On a rugged, rugged
>> >paved bicycle path in flat Florida. To which you hauled your tricycle in
>> >your truck, because oh, those streets are scary!
>> Many bicycle trails in Florida go through wilderness areas. Reclining
>> a few inches off the ground makes it difficult to get free and run. A
>> three wheel recumbent can't turn on a dime, either.
>> > >
>> > > Do you ride at all anymore?
>> > >
>> > > From what you've posted, your rides are all on local streets and roads
>> > > where there is always plenty of other people around, and more often
>> > > than not, with big group of other riders.
>> >
>> >All of that is false. Your imagination and "memory" are nearly as bad as
>> >Kunich's.
>> What I described is all I see you post about. You mention riding off
>> to the grocery and going on group rides. You've mentioned riding a
>> few rural roads and trails in your vacinity. I've been in your area.
>> It's pretty tame.
>> >And BTW, your weird obsession with me is showing again. You're the
>> >person who claims to not care what I think, but who loves to dispute it
>> >within minutes. That's just weird.
>> You can't expect me not to reply when you mention how fearful you are,
>> and start offering unrequested advice on how fearful others "should
>> be."
>
>I certainly have a bad memory, but it doesn't take a photographic memory like I once had to know that Frank is a crawling worm of a coward that believes where I live is a Hell Hole and that I should run like the coward and racist he is. The only time I've truly in danger of being shot and killed was from some stupid rookie cop who paid for that with his job. Krygowski is a communist that believes that the police are there to protect good little communists like him.

Disregarding Frank's shortcomings, you have announced a number of
times that you live in a part of town where guns are going off all
night and illegal aliens are running up and down the streets. In fact
didn't you accuse them of stealing your bicycles?

--
Cheers,

John B.

Am 21.05.2023 um 01:31 schrieb Catrike Rider:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 05:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 19:29:18 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>
>>> Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
>>>> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>>>> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>>>> female.
>>>
>>> According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
>>> individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
>>> specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
>>> functional reproductive organs.
>>
>> Sure, you can always find some word that can be interpreted more then
>> one way. Tom, for example, has stated that because of a childhood
>> disease he is unable to father children, thus, in a sense, he does not
>> have functional reproductive organs. By your definition he isn't a
>> male which is obviously ridiculous.
>
> There's been no question as to how to differentiate between men and
> women for thousands of years...

There's no question as long as you're happy with a 95-99% success rate.
There is sufficient historical evidence of some men being legally
treated as women (e.g. Eunuchs were allowed to enter women-only quarters
- laws of allowing certain men to enter women-only areas have sufficient
historic precedence) and vice versa.

Rolf

On Mon, 22 May 2023 13:02:19 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 21.05.2023 um 01:31 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 05:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 19:29:18 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
>>>>> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>>>>> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>>>>> female.
>>>>
>>>> According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
>>>> individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
>>>> specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
>>>> functional reproductive organs.
>>>
>>> Sure, you can always find some word that can be interpreted more then
>>> one way. Tom, for example, has stated that because of a childhood
>>> disease he is unable to father children, thus, in a sense, he does not
>>> have functional reproductive organs. By your definition he isn't a
>>> male which is obviously ridiculous.
>>
>> There's been no question as to how to differentiate between men and
>> women for thousands of years...
>
>There's no question as long as you're happy with a 95-99% success rate.
>There is sufficient historical evidence of some men being legally
>treated as women (e.g. Eunuchs were allowed to enter women-only quarters
>- laws of allowing certain men to enter women-only areas have sufficient
>historic precedence) and vice versa.
>
>Rolf

But Eunuchs were not necessarily treated as women, at least from what
I've read. They were simply males who had been altered so that
couldn't impregnate a woman and thus could safely be utilized as
servants in either the male or female side of the house.

Apparently they were relatively common as far East as China where they
often served as high-ranking civil servants and are even mentioned in
the Christian Bible - Matthew 19:6–12
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 22 May 2023 13:02:19 +0200, Rolf Mantel
<news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:

>Am 21.05.2023 um 01:31 schrieb Catrike Rider:
>> On Sun, 21 May 2023 05:55:44 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 20 May 2023 19:29:18 +0200, Rolf Mantel
>>> <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 20.05.2023 um 07:57 schrieb John B.:
>>>>> Biologically a female creature is a creature who may be impregnated
>>>>> and give birth and a male creature is one capable of impregnating the
>>>>> female.
>>>>
>>>> According to this definition, there is the grey zone of sterile
>>>> individuals, and this grey zone shrinks but does not vanish when you
>>>> specify the existence of reproductive organs instead of specifyling
>>>> functional reproductive organs.
>>>
>>> Sure, you can always find some word that can be interpreted more then
>>> one way. Tom, for example, has stated that because of a childhood
>>> disease he is unable to father children, thus, in a sense, he does not
>>> have functional reproductive organs. By your definition he isn't a
>>> male which is obviously ridiculous.
>>
>> There's been no question as to how to differentiate between men and
>> women for thousands of years...
>
>There's no question as long as you're happy with a 95-99% success rate.
>There is sufficient historical evidence of some men being legally
>treated as women (e.g. Eunuchs were allowed to enter women-only quarters
>- laws of allowing certain men to enter women-only areas have sufficient
>historic precedence) and vice versa.
>
>Rolf

Probably 99.999+% sucess rate. Every statistic has outliers.

On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12 PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-20, Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>> >> On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
>> >> > On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>> >> >> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>> >> >
>> >> > A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>> >> > and more apropos....
>> >> >
>> >> > "We live in a world gone Mad."
>> >> > -Stan Monteith
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > pH in Aptos
>> >> >
>> >> +1
>> >> The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."
>> >> --
>> >> Andrew Muzi
>> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>> >
>> > You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>
> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>
> - Frank Krygowski

Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.

I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
back, etcetera.

pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA

On 5/22/2023 3:04 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12 PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-20, Tom Kunich <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 11:50:21 AM UTC-7, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 5/20/2023 1:30 PM, pH wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-05-19, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Turns out straight-up fraud works better than EPO !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://nypost.com/2023/05/19/trans-cyclist-alone-on-the-podium-after-winning-female-race/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> A local radio host (now passed on) had a saying which is becominng more
>>>>>> and more apropos....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "We live in a world gone Mad."
>>>>>> -Stan Monteith
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> pH in Aptos
>>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>> The sainted Bob Grant, "It's sick and getting sicker."
>>>>> --
>>>>> Andrew Muzi
>>>>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>>>>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>>>
>>>> You'll have to remind me who Bob Grant was. I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>
>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>
>> - Frank Krygowski
>
> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>
> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
> back, etcetera.
>
> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>

+1

I read Mr Grant's material on paper but never electronically.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12 PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>
>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>
>
> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>
> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
> back, etcetera.
>
> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA

You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."

You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12 PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>
>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>
>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>> back, etcetera.
>>
>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>
> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>
> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>

I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
the choir.

I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
handwriting on the wall.

Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....

pH in Aptos

On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:09:40 -0000 (UTC), pH <wNOSPAMp@gmail.org>
wrote:

>On 2023-05-23, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>
>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>
>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>> back, etcetera.
>>>
>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>
>> You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>> should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>> compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>> it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>> early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>
>> You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>>
>
>I did indeed hit the paywall but I got the gist of it and she's preaching to
>the choir.
>
>I was an early adopter w/ my Apple ][+ w/ beloved CP/M card (Z80's and WordStar
>forever) but about the time the '486 came out I was beginning to see the
>handwriting on the wall.
>
>Well, I'll start ranting if I keep going....
>
>pH in Aptos

But the Apple II+ was a vast improvement over what else was available
at the time (:-)

I had bought one and become enchanted with it and had started arguing
with the company that "we should buy a computer" and was told that
"computers cost thousands of dollars" and they did. Think back to the
early IBM and DEC computers.

I brought my Apple II into the office and wrote a Basic Language
program to keep track of material orders for a production barge
project we had in the Java sea and it worked great.

Then I discovered Word Star and taught the secretary how to use that.
The "boss" was a great "editor", his secretary would type a two page
letter and then the boss would edit it and change a couple of words
and the poor secretary would have to retype the whole two pages.

Once we got Word Star working the secretary would just laugh. Edit a
two page letter and she'd bring the corrected copy back in about 10
minutes (:-)

And secretaries do talk to each other. "Yup, my boss edits the letter
and I can print the new letter in 10 minutes!" "No more staying late
to finish the correspondence!"

Pretty soon I had most of the supervisors in the company coming in
saying, "Tell me about this computer thing my secretary is complaining
about."

And, the company became computerized and I became the Computer Man
(:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:17:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>
>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>
>>
>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>
>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>> back, etcetera.
>>
>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>
>You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>
>You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html

No thanks, I usually ignore unsolicited advice on what is and isn't "a
wise rule for living."

On Tue, 23 May 2023 05:10:25 -0400, Catrike Rider
<soloman@drafting.not> wrote:

>On Mon, 22 May 2023 21:17:21 -0400, Frank Krygowski
><frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>>On 5/22/2023 4:04 PM, pH wrote:
>>> On 2023-05-21, Frank Krygowski <frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 10:29:12?PM UTC-4, pH wrote:
>>>>> I remember a Grant Peterson who I believe started Bridgestone bicycles in the USA.
>>>>> I believe Grant *worked* for Bridgestone and left to open Rivendell Bicycle
>>>>> works up near Concord, CA somewhere. I'm assuming he's still in business.
>>>>
>>>> He is. Running the company, also blogging.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Oh good. I used to love his "Rivendell Reader" but lost track of it when he
>>> went electronic. Just no fun reading from a screen in bed.
>>>
>>> I gave the kindle my brother gave me to my daughter, gave the cell phone
>>> back, etcetera.
>>>
>>> pH "Luddite" Aptos, CA
>>
>>You might like yesterday's article by Tish Harrison Warren, titled "We
>>should be more 'Amish' about technology." She suggested that instead of
>>compulsively adopting each new tech trend, we should evaluate whether
>>it's really valuable for us, good for society, etc. "'Blessed are the
>>early adopters’ is not a wise rule for living."
>>
>>You'll probably hit a paywall, but you can try this link:
>>https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/21/opinion/technology-teenagers-religion.html
>
>
>No thanks, I usually ignore unsolicited advice on what is and isn't "a
>wise rule for living."

I tried to look at it but they want to charge you for looking so that
was the end of that. But I did see one quote, "not to be afraid to
walk away from new technology. "To be tech-savvy is not a virtue," he
writes.", which seems a bit excessive although granted it is just a
quote.

I remember, for instance, older women, often farm women, cooking on
wood stoves, and the "Ice Man" delivering the ice for the "ice box" at
my grandmother's house three times a week. In those circumstances gas
or electric stoves and electric refrigerates ARE high tech (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 7:57:01 AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> On Sun, 21 May 2023 03:57:45 -0700 (PDT), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 4:59:31?AM UTC-4, Catrike Rider wrote:
> >> On Sat, 20 May 2023 20:16:46 -0700 (PDT), Frank Krygowski
> >> <frkr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 8:32:58?PM UTC-4, John B. wrote:
> >> >> From here, reading the U.S. news, it does appear that the U.S. is
> >> >> becoming more and more lawless.
> >> >
> >> >That appearance is more an effect of the news outlet policies than reality.
> >> >Many people have that fear even during the times of dropping crime. Fear
> >> >sells advertisement.
> >> Crime is not dropping..
> >
> >You really need to quit parroting what fox news tells you
> How about NPR, Dummy?
>
> A nationwide spike in murders brings crime to the forefront
>
> There's been a dramatic uptick in murder over the last several years.
> FBI data shows that it rose nearly 30% from 2019 to 2020 — the largest
> single-year increase ever recorded in the U.S.
>
> The number of homicides increased 4.3% nationally in 2021, according
> to the FBI report, and Asher says it likely decreased by a similar
> amount so far this year. Nonetheless, it's higher than it was in 2019.
> In other words: The murder rate is significantly lower than it was in
> the 1990s — Asher says 30-40% lower — but much higher than it was just
> three or four years ago.
> Attorney General Garland pledges a comprehensive response to violent
> crime
> Law
> Attorney General Garland pledges a comprehensive response to violent
> crime
>
> Importantly, that's a national rate. Asher thinks the reason crime
> carries so much weight in these midterm elections is because the
> increase in murders in 2020 was truly a national phenomenon.
>
> "It happened in big cities, it happened in small cities. It happened
> in counties that voted for Trump, it happened in counties that voted
> for Biden," he says. "It was really everywhere, and so I think that
> most places in America are grappling with at least some increase in
> gun violence over the last two years, which brings it to the forefront
> of these elections as they're taking place now."
>

Sure dumbass, because there are no other crimes besides the murder rate.

You've repeatedly made these dumbass statistical mistakes. You seem to completely un aware that it's possible for one aspect of crime to rise while the overall rate decreases. Kind of like tommy not understanding how his current speed can decrease while his average increases.

Take a math refresher, dumbass....