On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:11:45 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
wrote:

>On 3/6/22 04:09, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT), RichD
>> <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Today the electric cars are the quickest on the road.
>>> The classic petrol muscle cars are vying for the silver medal.
>>>
>>> Was it obvious to the designers, from day one,
>>> that this would be the case? Is it simply a power/weight calculation?
>>>
>>> I'm congenitally leery of simple explanations -
>>
>> Elon is a hoot. He just told his employees to physically return to
>> work, or pretend to work somewhere else.
>
>It's a way of downsizing without the cost of lay-offs. The company is
>clearly in trouble.

Today's news was about a 10% RIF at Tesla.

Sales are up, profit is up, so why RIF?

--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

>On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>
>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>
>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>
>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>
>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>
>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>
>> kw
>>
>
>Then there are the minor miners:
>
>https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27

Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.

Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
underground.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 10:32:35 -0400, Phil Hobbs
<pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

>Clifford Heath wrote:
>> On 3/6/22 04:09, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT), RichD
>>> <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today the electric cars are the quickest on the road.
>>>> The classic petrol muscle cars are vying for the silver medal.
>>>>
>>>> Was it obvious to the designers, from day one,
>>>> that this would be the case?  Is it simply a power/weight calculation?
>>>>
>>>> I'm congenitally leery of simple explanations -
>>>
>>> Elon is a hoot. He just told his employees to physically return to
>>> work, or pretend to work somewhere else.
>>
>> It's a way of downsizing without the cost of lay-offs. The company is
>> clearly in trouble.
>
>The letters were addressed to the execs, not the rank-and-file.

And got out to the world. Stock is down. Elon is amusingly
uninhibited.

Latest news is 10% downsizing, announced to all employees.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:

> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> chemicals, ...

Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>
>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>> chemicals, ...
>
>Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
>galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!

Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >
> >> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> >> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> >> chemicals, ...

> >Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
> >galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!

> Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
> when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.

JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of 'a pipeline',
and ignores the other one. As long as he's on this planet, the
other end IS his concern, just one he's neglected for decades.

On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 15:12:59 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On 06/03/2022 12:43 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 03 Jun 2022 05:06:25 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>
>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>
>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>
>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> kw
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>
>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>
>> Ideally suited to going into small spaces. Why did we stop using them?
>>
>> In fact I would have preferred to work hard as a child and retire earlier.
>
> With black lung there wasn't need for a complex retirement plan.
>
> https://poets.org/poem/chimney-sweeper
>
> "When my mother died I was very young,
> And my father sold me while yet my tongue
> Could scarcely cry 'Weep! weep! weep! weep!'
> So your chimneys I sweep, and in soot I sleep."
>
> William Blake
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chimney_sweeps%27_carcinoma

They've invented masks now. And I doubt the kids got black lung more than the adults would have.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:07:54 +0100, whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>> >> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>> >> chemicals, ...
>
>> >Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
>> >galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
>
>> Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
>> when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
>
> JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of 'a pipeline',
> and ignores the other one. As long as he's on this planet, the
> other end IS his concern, just one he's neglected for decades.

Fuck off treehugger.

On 06/03/2022 09:48 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:11:45 +1000, Clifford Heath <no.spam@please.net>
> wrote:
>
>> On 3/6/22 04:09, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT), RichD
>>> <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Today the electric cars are the quickest on the road.
>>>> The classic petrol muscle cars are vying for the silver medal.
>>>>
>>>> Was it obvious to the designers, from day one,
>>>> that this would be the case? Is it simply a power/weight calculation?
>>>>
>>>> I'm congenitally leery of simple explanations -
>>>
>>> Elon is a hoot. He just told his employees to physically return to
>>> work, or pretend to work somewhere else.
>>
>> It's a way of downsizing without the cost of lay-offs. The company is
>> clearly in trouble.
>
> Today's news was about a 10% RIF at Tesla.
>
> Sales are up, profit is up, so why RIF?
>
>
>
>
I think he's trying to get ahead of a recession. Pare the deadwood now
and tighten up. In theory the laid off workers can get work, at least
for the time being.

On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>
>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>
>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>
>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>
>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>
>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>
>>> kw
>>>
>>
>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>
>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>
> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>
> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
> underground.
>

I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
State College north of Ball.

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 9:01:34 PM UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
> On 06/03/2022 09:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:11:45 +1000, Clifford Heath <no....@please.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/6/22 04:09, John Larkin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT), RichD
> >>> <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Today the electric cars are the quickest on the road.
> >>>> The classic petrol muscle cars are vying for the silver medal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was it obvious to the designers, from day one,
> >>>> that this would be the case? Is it simply a power/weight calculation?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm congenitally leery of simple explanations -
> >>>
> >>> Elon is a hoot. He just told his employees to physically return to
> >>> work, or pretend to work somewhere else.
> >>
> >> It's a way of downsizing without the cost of lay-offs. The company is
> >> clearly in trouble.
> >
> > Today's news was about a 10% RIF at Tesla.
> >
> > Sales are up, profit is up, so why RIF?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I think he's trying to get ahead of a recession. Pare the deadwood now
> and tighten up. In theory the laid off workers can get work, at least
> for the time being.

Watch the M2M on BTC.

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>
>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>
>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>
>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>
>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>
>>>> kw
>>>>
>>>
>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>
>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>
>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>
>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>> underground.
>>
>
> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
> State College north of Ball.

I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo

On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whit3rd@gmail.com>
wrote:

>On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>> >> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>> >> chemicals, ...
>
>> >Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
>> >galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
>
>> Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
>> when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
>
>JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of 'a pipeline',
>and ignores the other one. As long as he's on this planet, the
>other end IS his concern, just one he's neglected for decades.

I'm in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don't ignore this stuff; I
appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.

Fossil fuels are lifting the world out of miserable poverty. Net Zero,
if that crazy idea ever could happen, would kill billions and set the
world back centuries.

But be as afraid as you want to be. Some people live in fear by
nature. There are hilarious youtubes of neurotic terrified young
airheads who have despaired on life because AGW will destroy all human
life soon.

Some things that have revolutionized agricultural yield are
ammonia-based fertilizers, farm machinery, pumped watering, transport,
and more CO2. All from fossil fuels.

Well, the CO2 increase was probably mostly natural.

--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 08:00:34 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
<CK1@nospam.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>
>>>>> kw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>
>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>
>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>
>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>> underground.
>>>
>>
>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>> State College north of Ball.
>
>I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo

The greenies would eliminate one and have us eat the other.

--

Anybody can count to one.

- Robert Widlar

On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
>>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>
>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>
>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>
>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> kw
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>
>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>
>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>
>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>> underground.
>>>
>>
>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>> State College north of Ball.
>
> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
> a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo

Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
miles off the road. Rather eerie.

I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming and
all, you know.

On 06/04/2022 08:54 AM, jlarkin@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 08:00:34 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
> <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not involve digging holes.
>>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kw
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>>
>>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>>
>>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>>> underground.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
>>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>>> State College north of Ball.
>>
>> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
>
> The greenies would eliminate one and have us eat the other.
>
>
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSO1gPxyRAw

Grasshoppers are good! Reese has went mainstream in their selections but
in the '50 they had an attack of weird:

https://reesespecialtyfoods.com/about/unheard-delicacies

Cans of grasshoppers, whale, chocolate covered ants, and so forth would
appear at parties and the adults would cajole the kids into playing
guinea pig. There was alcohol involved. The grasshoppers did taste a bit
like chips and the whale was heavy on the teriyaki sauce.

Some of the indigenous tribes liked grasshopper. Harvesting didn't
involve nets. You set fire to the field and when the flames died down
you gathered the hoppers; the annoying legs and wings would be burned
off leaving a tasty toasted hopper.

It's not as far fetched as it sounds. There's a lot of good eating on a
Carolina grasshopper.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissosteira_carolina

On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 7:52:06 AM UTC-7, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 16:07:54 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> >> >> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> >> >> chemicals, ...
> >
> >> >Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
> >> >galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
> >
> >> Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
> >> when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
> >
> >JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of 'a pipeline',
> >and ignores the other one. As long as he's on this planet, the
> >other end IS his concern, just one he's neglected for decades.

> I'm in a warm house, in front of a computer drinking hot Peets coffee.
> All that thanks to fossil fuel. I don't ignore this stuff; I
> appreciate it all the time, as I have for decades.

Okay, and I'm in a warm house, computer, Peets coffee (Big Bang)
but my electricity is hydroelectric, and I'm not a shortsighted jackass.
The next decades do not have to replicate previous ones. Design
them for improvement, and ditch the insistence on familiarity: there's
THREE terms in a PID control, and it works because it acknowledges a
plausible future. You need to dial down the integral term, or it'll kill the regulation.

On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 5:05:01 PM UTC-4, whit3rd wrote:
> On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>
> > Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> > and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> > chemicals, ...
>
> Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
> galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!

Sometimes I just have to laugh. I don't know if the idiot is just an idiot, or if he posts such clearly silly things, just to get a response, which is not at all unlike him, by his own admission. But even funnier is that we all keep playing along, giving him the attention he craves.

He reminds me of a guy who used to post in the radio groups, I say "used to" because I don't read them anymore. I can't recall his name anymore, but he would respond to everything anyone said, including countless arguments. The guy became rather famous and any time he entered a new group, he very quickly was spotted and pointed out.

Larkin is a bit more highly functioning, but he still has various self destructive tendencies. I'm just surprised that people here continue to rise to the bait with him.

Whatever...

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On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 9:04:59 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 00:07:54 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 2:11:48 PM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >> On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:04:57 -0700 (PDT), whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >> >On Friday, June 3, 2022 at 11:04:42 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> >> >> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> >> >> chemicals, ...
> >
> >> >Huh? One hundred percent chemical product, guy! Byproducts
> >> >galore, so much pollution the weather is taking notice!
> >
> >> Go live in a tent. Forage for food. Burn rushes for light. Wear fur
> >> when it's cold. Cook over dung. Walk everywhere. Enjoy.
> >
> > JL is so shortsighted, he only sees the input end of 'a pipeline',
> > and ignores the other one. As long as he's on this planet, the
> > other end IS his concern, just one he's neglected for decades.
> Fuck off treehugger.

Well said, indeed! I can't recall a more erudite retort!

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:01:34 AM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
> On 06/03/2022 09:48 AM, jla...@highlandsniptechnology.com wrote:
> > On Fri, 3 Jun 2022 14:11:45 +1000, Clifford Heath <no....@please.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> On 3/6/22 04:09, John Larkin wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 12:52:41 -0700 (PDT), RichD
> >>> <r_dela...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Today the electric cars are the quickest on the road.
> >>>> The classic petrol muscle cars are vying for the silver medal.
> >>>>
> >>>> Was it obvious to the designers, from day one,
> >>>> that this would be the case? Is it simply a power/weight calculation?
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm congenitally leery of simple explanations -
> >>>
> >>> Elon is a hoot. He just told his employees to physically return to
> >>> work, or pretend to work somewhere else.
> >>
> >> It's a way of downsizing without the cost of lay-offs. The company is
> >> clearly in trouble.
> >
> > Today's news was about a 10% RIF at Tesla.
> >
> > Sales are up, profit is up, so why RIF?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> I think he's trying to get ahead of a recession. Pare the deadwood now
> and tighten up. In theory the laid off workers can get work, at least
> for the time being.

We will see how that works for him. A 10% reduction has to impact Tesla production rates. That cuts into the bottom line. I suppose they can make it up by raising prices again.

The insane part is, there's no reason to think a recession will hurt Tesla sales, not unless it is large. To me, it makes no sense, unless there is some other limiting factor, such as a material shortage, that would require a lay off anyway. There's certainly no reason to "get ahead" of a recession by cutting factory output at a time of booming sales. That is very much like leaning into a left hook.

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On Saturday, June 4, 2022 at 12:58:23 PM UTC-4, rbowman wrote:
> On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
> >>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
> >>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
> >>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
> >>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
> >>>>>>> involve digging holes.
> >>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> kw
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Then there are the minor miners:
> >>>>
> >>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
> >>>
> >>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
> >>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
> >>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
> >>>
> >>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
> >>> underground.
> >>>
> >>
> >> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
> >> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
> >> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
> >> State College north of Ball.
> >
> > I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
> > a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
> Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
> Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
> miles off the road. Rather eerie.
>
> I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming and
> all, you know.

Better to burn it than to release it. But then anyone who is paying attention knows that.

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rbowman wrote:
> On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
>>>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kw
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>>
>>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>>
>>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>>> underground.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
>>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>>> State College north of Ball.
>>
>> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
>> a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
>
> Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
> Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
> miles off the road. Rather eerie.
>
> I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming and
> all, you know.

A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
like 70%, which is a big win.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>> On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
>>>>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kw
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>>>
>>>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>>>> underground.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>>>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones you
>>>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>>>> State College north of Ball.
>>>
>>> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and not
>>> a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
>>
>> Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
>> Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
>> miles off the road. Rather eerie.
>>
>> I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
>> and all, you know.
>
> A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
> powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
> like 70%, which is a big win.

After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has picked
up again.

https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/

That article claims

EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which was
“more than enough to supply every home in Texas.”

It wouldn't have helped the infrastructure problems but it's ironic that
during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were warm
and cozy.

rbowman wrote:
> On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>> rbowman wrote:
>>> On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making fun
>>>>>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than miners.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kw
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just comes up
>>>>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>>>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>>>>> underground.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>>>>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the ones
>>>>> you
>>>>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>>>>> State College north of Ball.
>>>>
>>>> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc and
>>>> not
>>>> a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
>>>
>>> Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
>>> Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
>>> miles off the road. Rather eerie.
>>>
>>> I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
>>> and all, you know.
>>
>> A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
>> powered by a much smaller amount of gas.  IIRC the yield is something
>> like 70%, which is a big win.
>
> After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has picked
> up again.
>
> https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/
>
>
> That article claims
>
> EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
> of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which was
> “more than enough to supply every home in Texas.”
>
>
> It wouldn't have helped the infrastructure problems but it's ironic that
> during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were warm
> and cozy.

The stranded gas problem has been around for a long time.

Cheers

Phil Hobbs

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Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
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http://hobbs-eo.com

On 06/04/2022 09:08 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
> rbowman wrote:
>> On 06/04/2022 03:40 PM, Phil Hobbs wrote:
>>> rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 06/04/2022 01:00 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2022 05:06:15 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 06/03/2022 12:04 PM, John Larkin wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thu, 2 Jun 2022 22:06:25 -0600, rbowman <bowman@montana.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 06/02/2022 02:18 PM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 21:55:55 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You said "minors" meaning young people, nothing about mining.
>>>>>>>>>> OCD fuckwit. I actually spelt it like that for a laugh, making
>>>>>>>>>> fun
>>>>>>>>>> of our fucked up language. Anyway minors are more fun than
>>>>>>>>>> miners.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unusual sense of humour.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How are we supposed to know what you mean?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It could mean either in the context of the conversation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And most Lithium is "mined" using brine extraction, it does not
>>>>>>>>>>> involve digging holes.
>>>>>>>>>> https://champ4mt.com/the-dangers-of-lithium-mining-and-how-to-do-something-about-it.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kw
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then there are the minor miners:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://allthatsinteresting.com/child-miners#27
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Oil and gas are great. Once you drill a well, the stuff just
>>>>>>> comes up
>>>>>>> and flows into a pipeline. No dust, no miners, no crushers, no
>>>>>>> chemicals, no trucks, no tailings. Nobody even needs to be there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fracking needs a little more attention, but the action is still deep
>>>>>>> underground.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I always get a kick out of those grasshoppers out in the middle of
>>>>>> nowhere doing there thing. I get even a bigger kick out of the
>>>>>> ones you
>>>>>> stumble over in the middle of Anaheim. iirc there were a couple off
>>>>>> State College north of Ball.
>>>>>
>>>>> I take it you mean a https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcykqOwDvyc
>>>>> and not
>>>>> a https://youtu.be/NfJQx8ZEr54?t=50 or a https://youtu.be/yMFqyabMJTo
>>>>
>>>> Yup. The other part of it is the flares. You'd be driving through
>>>> Wyoming at night in the middle of nowhere and there would be flares
>>>> miles off the road. Rather eerie.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know if the still burn the gas off oil wells, gorbal warming
>>>> and all, you know.
>>>
>>> A lot of stranded gas is now liquefied using thermoacoustic fridges
>>> powered by a much smaller amount of gas. IIRC the yield is something
>>> like 70%, which is a big win.
>>
>> After a little reading the volume dropped off for a while but has
>> picked up again.
>>
>> https://www.naturalgasintel.com/permian-methane-flaring-venting-said-still-stubbornly-high/
>>
>>
>> That article claims
>>
>> EDF said other satellite data indicates Permian operators sent 280 Bcf
>> of gas worth about $420 million up their flare stacks in 2019, which
>> was “more than enough to supply every home in Texas.”
>>
>>
>> It wouldn't have helped the infrastructure problems but it's ironic
>> that during the Big Freeze last year the varmints in the Permian were
>> warm and cozy.
>
> The stranded gas problem has been around for a long time.
>
> Cheers
>
> Phil Hobbs
>

Russia has it big time. Assuming the ever build the Alaska gas pipeline
the logical path from the Siberian fields would be across the Bering and
hook into the Alaskan pipe, not that that will ever happen. The Bakken
isn't much better. For that matter while the Marcellus play isn't
technically stranded no way are they going to build a pipeline to get it
to New England, where they've been known to import LNG from Russia.
(Thank you, Jones Act).