On May 20, John Doe wrote:
>>> They want to cover the Mojave desert with solar panels.
>>> how's that going to affect the earth's albedo? The solar energy
>>> currently bounced out to Mars, is going to stay earthbound.... drive
>>> your car and coffeemaker... and at the end of the day... global
>>> warming, hello!
>
> Interesting point. Doesn't apply to something like solar roofing panels,
> since that heat goes into the surrounding area if the sunlight isn't
> converted into electricity. Reflective roofing panels would be rough on
> aircraft.
>
>>> The fourth law of thermodynamics: in the long run, energy efficiency
>>> is zero, everything thermalizes -
>
>> I will say that it is clear you don't understand what global warming is
>> about. It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the energy
>> conversions required to provide power. It is about the CO2 released in
>> the process.

Let's find salvation in windmills.

Questions:
How much CO2 is released during the construction of the concrete
foundation of the apparatus?
How many Joules does the windmill generate, in its lifetime?
How much CO2 is spewed by the burning of petroleum and gas,
to produce the same quantity of energy?

If the net CO2 footprint of the hydrocarbons is greater than the windmill,
what is the temperature increase due to that extra CO2?
What is the $$ higher operational cost of the windmill, compared to hydrocarbons?
How much is the reduction in warming worth? i.e. what price are you
willing to pay, for that expected reduction?

It's notable that the econazis never address these fundamental questions,
don't even acknowledge them, which overload their brains, and forbidden
by the Thought Police.

--
Rich

mandag den 23. maj 2022 kl. 21.45.20 UTC+2 skrev RichD:
> On May 20, John Doe wrote:
> >>> They want to cover the Mojave desert with solar panels.
> >>> how's that going to affect the earth's albedo? The solar energy
> >>> currently bounced out to Mars, is going to stay earthbound.... drive
> >>> your car and coffeemaker... and at the end of the day... global
> >>> warming, hello!
> >
> > Interesting point. Doesn't apply to something like solar roofing panels,
> > since that heat goes into the surrounding area if the sunlight isn't
> > converted into electricity. Reflective roofing panels would be rough on
> > aircraft.
> >
> >>> The fourth law of thermodynamics: in the long run, energy efficiency
> >>> is zero, everything thermalizes -
> >
> >> I will say that it is clear you don't understand what global warming is
> >> about. It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the energy
> >> conversions required to provide power. It is about the CO2 released in
> >> the process.
> Let's find salvation in windmills.
>
> Questions:
> How much CO2 is released during the construction of the concrete
> foundation of the apparatus?
> How many Joules does the windmill generate, in its lifetime?
> How much CO2 is spewed by the burning of petroleum and gas,
> to produce the same quantity of energy?
>
> If the net CO2 footprint of the hydrocarbons is greater than the windmill,
> what is the temperature increase due to that extra CO2?
> What is the $$ higher operational cost of the windmill, compared to hydrocarbons?
> How much is the reduction in warming worth? i.e. what price are you
> willing to pay, for that expected reduction?
>
> It's notable that the econazis never address these fundamental questions,
> don't even acknowledge them, which overload their brains, and forbidden
> by the Thought Police.

what are you on about?

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/06/whats-the-carbon-footprint-of-a-wind-turbine/

On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.

WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.

I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.

I have spend around $1k for parts so far.

On 2022-05-21, Commander Kinsey <CK1@nospam.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 21 May 2022 18:35:10 +0100, Lasse Langwadt Christensen <langwadt@fonz.dk> wrote:
>
>> lørdag den 21. maj 2022 kl. 19.02.46 UTC+2 skrev Commander Kinsey:
>>> On Sat, 21 May 2022 17:26:37 +0100, rbowman <bow...@montana.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 05/21/2022 08:15 AM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 16:16:23 +0100, Ricky
>>> >> <gnuarm.del...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>> On Sunday, May 15, 2022 at 9:58:52 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>>> >>>> On Sun, 15 May 2022 10:09:18 +0100, whit3rd <whi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> > On Saturday, May 14, 2022 at 10:26:57 PM UTC-7, Commander Kinsey
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> >> As Lithium runs out, the prices will skyrocket.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Nonsense, but of course someone selling you an investment
>>> >>>> opportunity won't tell
>>> >>>> > you that.
>>> >>>> >
>>> >>>> > Lithium is mined from dried-up sea beds, because some of the dried
>>> >>>> salts have useful
>>> >>>> > concentrations of that element There's lots of those, and the most
>>> >>>> economic are being
>>> >>>> > mined now, while the next-most-economic will be mined in a decade.
>>> >>>> The metal isn't
>>> >>>> > rare, and the price will disappoint investors who buy today at a
>>> >>>> big premium.
>>> >>>> I quote er.... you, with "the most economic are being mined now" -
>>> >>>> it's gonna get very hard soon to mine it, so the price will shoot up.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> How can one person be so stupid? When stupidity was being handed out,
>>> >>> I think he took the ration of a hundred others.
>>> >>
>>> >> Whoosh! So again.... "the most economic are being mined now", so what
>>> >> does that make the others..... er.... let me see.... LESS economic.
>>> >
>>> > The question is how less economic.
>>> The amount of Lithium required to run every single car in the world is enormous. It's a rare element.
>>
>> Lithium is not a rare element ....
>
> The approximate amount of lithium on earth is between 30 and 90 million tons.
>
> Cars require 20 million tons. Rather close.... so can we really mine two thirds of it, and then recycle 100% of that forever more?

The sea is 0.2ppm lithium and weighs over 10^18 tonnes,
so there's more than a thousand times more lithium on Earth than that
just in the sea water.

--
Jasen.

On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
>> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
>> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
>> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
>
>I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
>
>I have spend around $1k for parts so far.

That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible
transportation.

--

If a man will begin with certainties, he shall end with doubts,
but if he will be content to begin with doubts he shall end in certainties.
Francis Bacon

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> >
> >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> >
> >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.

40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.

EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.

On Mon, 16 May 2022 18:58:30 +0100, ke...@kjwdesigns.com <keith@kjwdesigns.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
>> On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:
>> >
>> My 1986 F150 doesn't need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
>> going to last 36 years?
>
> Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don't last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.

Then the US must keep on crashing them. In the UK we last 20 years.

A battery wouldn't last either of those.

On Tue, 17 May 2022 03:55:22 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:

> On 05/16/2022 11:58 AM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
>>> On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:
>>>>
>>> My 1986 F150 doesn't need a new engine. Do you really think a battery is
>>> going to last 36 years?
>>
>> Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don't last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.
>>
>> Accident damage or some major failure (such as engine!) often results in a costly repair that causes it to be scrapped.
>>
>> My last BMW was a great car until it was about 8 years old when failures started to become annoying and expensive.
>>
>> kw
>>
>
> My Audi became annoying long before that. Admittedly it was a 100LS and
> Volkswagen hadn't figured out front engine, front wheel drive, water
> cooled vehicles yet.

I have found nothing but good things to say about Audis. Although they are just VWs with a higher price tag.

"Commander Kinsey" <CK1@nospam.com> wrote in
news:op.1movwvr7mvhs6z@ryzen.lan:

> I have found nothing but good things to say about Audis. Although
> they are just VWs with a higher price tag.
>

You are an idiot. Though owned by VW, they have their own engine
design engineers and it shows in the higher priced product. So they
are not "just a VW with a higher price tag." you fucking retard.

You are almost as stupid as John Dope is... almost.

On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 13:15:34 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> ...
> > Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don't last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.
>
> Then the US must keep on crashing them. In the UK we last 20 years.
....
Not according to this.

"The average age of a car at scrappage in 2015 reached 13.9 years"

https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/sustainability/average-vehicle-age/

kw

On 05/24/2022 02:15 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 17 May 2022 03:55:22 +0100, rbowman <bowman@montana.com> wrote:
>
>> On 05/16/2022 11:58 AM, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
>>> On Sunday, 15 May 2022 at 22:25:13 UTC-7, rbowman wrote:
>>>> On 05/15/2022 02:22 PM, ke...@kwdes...com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> My 1986 F150 doesn't need a new engine. Do you really think a
>>>> battery is
>>>> going to last 36 years?
>>>
>>> Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don't
>>> last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is
>>> about 15 years.
>>>
>>> Accident damage or some major failure (such as engine!) often results
>>> in a costly repair that causes it to be scrapped.
>>>
>>> My last BMW was a great car until it was about 8 years old when
>>> failures started to become annoying and expensive.
>>>
>>> kw
>>>
>>
>> My Audi became annoying long before that. Admittedly it was a 100LS and
>> Volkswagen hadn't figured out front engine, front wheel drive, water
>> cooled vehicles yet.
>
> I have found nothing but good things to say about Audis. Although they
> are just VWs with a higher price tag.

One annoyance was the plug wires. At around 15k miles the car wouldn't
start. It didn't run rough or exhibit any problems until the day it
wouldn't go. I assumed an over zealous computer decided the wires were
out of spec. I always carried spares.

Then there was the day the wipers wouldn't turn off. I was in the middle
of nowhere and had to call the shop to find which relay to pull.

The finish had problems and the transaxles had problems eventually. My
wife got the Audi when we split and she traded it in on a Rabbit and got
almost nothing for it.

It certainly wasn't the car's fault but it wasn't geared to cruise at 55
when yet another idiot president passed a national speed limit.

The first gen wasn't that great. I'd went in to but a Porsche 914,
decided they didn't come in my size, and got the Audi. The 914's were no
prize either.

On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
>
> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.

Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your garage while tinkering with it.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:08:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> > >
> > >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> > >
> > >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> > That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.
> 40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.
>
> EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.

As I pointed out, you can't depend upon the range to exhaustion. What happens if you only get 39 miles? Pushing that car even one mile would be a good feat for the Strongest Man Contest.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:02:09 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:08:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> > > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > > >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > > >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> > > >
> > > >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> > > >
> > > >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> > > That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.
> > 40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.
> >
> > EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.
> As I pointed out, you can't depend upon the range to exhaustion. What happens if you only get 39 miles? Pushing that car even one mile would be a good feat for the Strongest Man Contest.

I got towing service, or just to jump charge from another vehicle. Charging from a good 12V source gets 2 to 3 miles per hour.

Flyguy <soar2morrow@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:6b493d73-b77f-4d63-a1b9-3594ebbbebd4n@googlegroups.com:

> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
>> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any
>> > > > chemistry is o
> f much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
>> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000
>> > > miles.
> Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
>> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY
>> > FOUR MIL
> ES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!!
> Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to
> replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
>> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the
>> OBC (On
> Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the
> OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self
> charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping
> energy from the auxiliary battery.
>>
>> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
>
> Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your
> garage while tinkering with it.
>

Oh boy! Look at the tinkertards talk about their retarded
decisions on what to tinker with and when and where.

So instead of buying a new battery, you spend $1k on stupid shit to
keep the failing old battery "working". I am sure the efficacy and
energy use on that is great. A waning battery takes more juice to
charge and gets you less output.

So your miles per kWh pumped in is significantly less.

Not the most intelligent use of one's brain. Still stuck on "I use
electric, so I have a smaller carbon footprint". Not if you are
using an outdated waning battery. Your carbon footprint got bigger
while you stood around mentally masturbating as you claimed to be
more environmentally friendly.

Take an EE course. Better to spend $1k or more on learning the most
basic power in, power out rules. Maybe learn where losses occur.

Just as bad a drill motor guy using a unit so old that he is on
NiCad battery packs which give the drill minutes of use after hours
of charging.

Not very bright logic there either. Modern battery operated power
tools are quite inexpensive compared to those of yesteryear and even
line powered devices. Pitch out the old and upgrade to the new.

A $100 cordless Dremel tool has a huge amount of technology
incorporated into them. In the NiCad years, they did not even bother
getting in that market.

On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:44:12 PM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> news:6b493d73-b77f-4d63...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any
> >> > > > chemistry is o
> > f much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> >> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000
> >> > > miles.
> > Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> >> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY
> >> > FOUR MIL
> > ES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!!
> > Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to
> > replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> >> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the
> >> OBC (On
> > Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the
> > OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self
> > charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping
> > energy from the auxiliary battery.
> >>
> >> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> >
> > Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your
> > garage while tinkering with it.
> >
> Oh boy! Look at the tinkertards talk about their retarded
> decisions on what to tinker with and when and where.
>
> So instead of buying a new battery, you spend $1k on stupid shit to
> keep the failing old battery "working". I am sure the efficacy and
> energy use on that is great. A waning battery takes more juice to
> charge and gets you less output.

Wrong. It takes the same amount of energy to charge and gets the same amount of output. Waning battery just hold less energy, but exactly same amount going in and out.

Ed Lee <edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote in
news:87d06285-f583-42b1-b74b-aa016c054fe2n@googlegroups.com:

> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:44:12 PM UTC-7,
> DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
>> Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:6b493d73-b77f-4d63...@googlegroups.com:
>> > On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> >> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
>> >> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> >> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any
>> >> > > > chemistry is o
>> > f much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
>> >> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after
>> >> > > 80,000 miles.
>> > Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
>> >> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand
>> >> > FORTY FOUR MIL
>> > ES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!!
>> > Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to
>> > replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
>> >> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to
>> >> the OBC (On
>> > Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick
>> > the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy
>> > self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but
>> > pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
>> >>
>> >> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
>> >
>> > Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your
>> > garage while tinkering with it.
>> >
>> Oh boy! Look at the tinkertards talk about their retarded
>> decisions on what to tinker with and when and where.
>>
>> So instead of buying a new battery, you spend $1k on stupid shit
>> to keep the failing old battery "working". I am sure the efficacy
>> and energy use on that is great. A waning battery takes more
>> juice to charge and gets you less output.
>
> Wrong. It takes the same amount of energy to charge and gets the
> same amount of output. Waning battery just hold less energy, but
> exactly same amount going in and out.
>

This from a dope that just admitted battery degradation at the same
time he denies it.

You ain't real bright, child.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:34:57 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:87d06285-f583-42b1...@googlegroups.com:
> > On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:44:12 PM UTC-7,
> > DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> >> Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> >> news:6b493d73-b77f-4d63...@googlegroups.com:
> >> > On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> >> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> >> >> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> >> >> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any
> >> >> > > > chemistry is o
> >> > f much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> >> >> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after
> >> >> > > 80,000 miles.
> >> > Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> >> >> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand
> >> >> > FORTY FOUR MIL
> >> > ES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!!
> >> > Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to
> >> > replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> >> >> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to
> >> >> the OBC (On
> >> > Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick
> >> > the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy
> >> > self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but
> >> > pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> >> >>
> >> >> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> >> >
> >> > Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your
> >> > garage while tinkering with it.
> >> >
> >> Oh boy! Look at the tinkertards talk about their retarded
> >> decisions on what to tinker with and when and where.
> >>
> >> So instead of buying a new battery, you spend $1k on stupid shit
> >> to keep the failing old battery "working". I am sure the efficacy
> >> and energy use on that is great. A waning battery takes more
> >> juice to charge and gets you less output.
> >
> > Wrong. It takes the same amount of energy to charge and gets the
> > same amount of output. Waning battery just hold less energy, but
> > exactly same amount going in and out.
> >
> This from a dope that just admitted battery degradation at the same
> time he denies it.

You have reading and learning disabilities. I said that the 24kwh main traction battery is degraded to 60%, which is same as a new 15kwh. They require the same amount of energy to charge and can discharge the same. Adding 10kwh auxiliary traction battery in parallel with the main will restore it to spec, except with the additional weight (750 pounds) and volume (5 cu.ft.). However, the ECU will not recognize beyond 24kwh and additional storage should be pumped in via OBC.

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 5:39:10 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 2:34:57 AM UTC-7, DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > Ed Lee <edward....@gmail.com> wrote in
> > news:87d06285-f583-42b1...@googlegroups.com:
> > > On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 11:44:12 PM UTC-7,
> > > DecadentLinux...@decadence.org wrote:
> > >> Flyguy <soar2...@yahoo.com> wrote in
> > >> news:6b493d73-b77f-4d63...@googlegroups.com:
> > >> > On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 9:02:35 PM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > >> >> On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > >> >> > On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > >> >> > > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any
> > >> >> > > > chemistry is o
> > >> > f much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > >> >> > > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after
> > >> >> > > 80,000 miles.
> > >> > Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > >> >> > WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand
> > >> >> > FORTY FOUR MIL
> > >> > ES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!!
> > >> > Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to
> > >> > replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> > >> >> I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to
> > >> >> the OBC (On
> > >> > Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick
> > >> > the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy
> > >> > self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but
> > >> > pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> > >> >
> > >> > Sounds like a DIY fire bomb. Suggestion: don't park it in your
> > >> > garage while tinkering with it.
> > >> >
> > >> Oh boy! Look at the tinkertards talk about their retarded
> > >> decisions on what to tinker with and when and where.
> > >>
> > >> So instead of buying a new battery, you spend $1k on stupid shit
> > >> to keep the failing old battery "working". I am sure the efficacy
> > >> and energy use on that is great. A waning battery takes more
> > >> juice to charge and gets you less output.
> > >
> > > Wrong. It takes the same amount of energy to charge and gets the
> > > same amount of output. Waning battery just hold less energy, but
> > > exactly same amount going in and out.
> > >
> > This from a dope that just admitted battery degradation at the same
> > time he denies it.
> You have reading and learning disabilities.
You have to write in language he understand. DecadentLinux is simply an ignorant stupid jerk, FFF and CCC.

On Tue, 24 May 2022 21:28:42 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
<edward.ming.lee@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:02:09 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
>> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:08:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
>> > > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
>> > > >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
>> > > >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
>> > > >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
>> > > >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
>> > > >
>> > > >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
>> > > >
>> > > >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
>> > > That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.
>> > 40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.
>> >
>> > EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.
>> As I pointed out, you can't depend upon the range to exhaustion. What happens if you only get 39 miles? Pushing that car even one mile would be a good feat for the Strongest Man Contest.
>
>I got towing service, or just to jump charge from another vehicle. Charging from a good 12V source gets 2 to 3 miles per hour.

OK, I was wrong, it's not a fun hobby.

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On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 3:45:20 PM UTC-4, RichD wrote:
> On May 20, John Doe wrote:
> >>> They want to cover the Mojave desert with solar panels.
> >>> how's that going to affect the earth's albedo? The solar energy
> >>> currently bounced out to Mars, is going to stay earthbound.... drive
> >>> your car and coffeemaker... and at the end of the day... global
> >>> warming, hello!
> >
> > Interesting point. Doesn't apply to something like solar roofing panels,
> > since that heat goes into the surrounding area if the sunlight isn't
> > converted into electricity. Reflective roofing panels would be rough on
> > aircraft.
> >
> >>> The fourth law of thermodynamics: in the long run, energy efficiency
> >>> is zero, everything thermalizes -
> >
> >> I will say that it is clear you don't understand what global warming is
> >> about. It has nothing to do with the efficiency of the energy
> >> conversions required to provide power. It is about the CO2 released in
> >> the process.
> Let's find salvation in windmills.
>
> Questions:
> How much CO2 is released during the construction of the concrete
> foundation of the apparatus?
> How many Joules does the windmill generate, in its lifetime?
> How much CO2 is spewed by the burning of petroleum and gas,
> to produce the same quantity of energy?

You count the CO2 produced in the construction of the windmills, but not the carbon produced in the construction of the coal/gas plant, not the carbon released during the drilling, mining, transportation and refining of fossil fuels. There's no small amount of carbon released to get the fossil fuel from the ground to the facility that burns it. Why only count the burning of the fossil fuel itself? That's like only counting the mass of the payload in figuring the the fuel needed to achieve orbit, ignoring the fuel required to get the various stages of rockets off the ground.

> If the net CO2 footprint of the hydrocarbons is greater than the windmill,
> what is the temperature increase due to that extra CO2?
> What is the $$ higher operational cost of the windmill, compared to hydrocarbons?
> How much is the reduction in warming worth? i.e. what price are you
> willing to pay, for that expected reduction?

Price to pay for renewables compared to fossil fuels? Isn't that a negative number at this point? The cost of renewable energy is dropping while fossil fuel costs continue to climb.

> It's notable that the econazis never address these fundamental questions,
> don't even acknowledge them, which overload their brains, and forbidden
> by the Thought Police.

Of course those who promote renewable energy address all the questions. You just aren't listening. I don't see you attempting to answer any of the questions you've asked. I take it you've found you don't like the answers?

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 1:08:39 PM UTC-4, Ed Lee wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> > >
> > >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> > >
> > >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> > That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.
> 40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.
>
> EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.

LOL!!! What you drive is a DIY BEV. No one else on earth, with any sense at least, is doing what you are doing. Meanwhile, literally millions of BEVs are sold each year and the numbers are rising exponentially for now.

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On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 5:13:40 PM UTC-4, ke...@kjwdesigns.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 13:15:34 UTC-7, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> > ...
> > > Probably not - but the great majority of conventional vehicles don't last that long either. The average lifetime of cars in the US is about 15 years.
> >
> > Then the US must keep on crashing them. In the UK we last 20 years.
> ...
> Not according to this.
>
> "The average age of a car at scrappage in 2015 reached 13.9 years"
>
> https://www.smmt.co.uk/industry-topics/sustainability/average-vehicle-age/

Averages are very poor numbers to use for this. Much more realistic is the median. A car can only be scrapped at 0 years at a minimum, while there is no maximum. If half the cars are toast after, say 12 years, it would only take a few reaching 20 years plus, to push the average to 15 years.

As to the life of the battery, Tesla guarantees the batteries to 8 years. How many engines or transmissions are warrantied to 8 years? In the US, the average annual miles driven are 14,000 or 112,000 miles. Tesla batteries have reached over 200,000 miles, just as ICE cars have reached those numbers.

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On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 12:02:09 AM UTC-4, Flyguy wrote:
> On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 10:08:39 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > On Tuesday, May 24, 2022 at 9:48:51 AM UTC-7, John Larkin wrote:
> > > On Mon, 23 May 2022 21:02:30 -0700 (PDT), Ed Lee
> > > <edward....@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >On Monday, May 23, 2022 at 8:30:22 PM UTC-7, Flyguy wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, May 22, 2022 at 7:47:12 AM UTC-7, Ed Lee wrote:
> > > >> > > You won't get that from a battery. No battery of any chemistry is of much use after 5 years, used a lot or not.
> > > >> > My 10 years old Leaf battery is still 60% usable after 80,000 miles. Mine is outside the "no battery" range.
> > > >> WOW! That means your range to total discharge is a grand FORTY FOUR MILES (which you don't dare use, so 30 miles is more realistic)!! Your trips will have to be within a 15 mile radius. The cost to replace the battery is roughly $5k, more than the car is worth.
> > > >
> > > >I have another 10kwh battery siting in the car, connected to the OBC (On Board Charger) output. Still trying to figure out how to trick the OBC to enable the output. Look like i need to build a dummy self charger, which is charging from the vehicle battery, but pumping energy from the auxiliary battery.
> > > >
> > > >I have spend around $1k for parts so far.
> > > That may be a fun hobby, but it doesn't sound like sensible transportation.
> > 40 miles are enough 90% of the time. For long distance, I can stuff extra batteries in. I think i can stuff in 30 to 50 kwhr eventually.
> >
> > EVs are not for everyone. EV/ICE will have to co-exist.
> As I pointed out, you can't depend upon the range to exhaustion. What happens if you only get 39 miles? Pushing that car even one mile would be a good feat for the Strongest Man Contest.

One of the significant differences is BEVs tell you how far you can drive, pretty much to the mile. You want to leave a few miles to spare, not because of the car, but because stuff happens. You may need to route around an accident or any number of things that mean you need a few extra miles.

Any car with a 40 mile range is absurd.

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