On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:

> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.

OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.

4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."

If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.

I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack and add a 4mm stackable plug.
I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)

See what prices you can get them for ....

On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
> >> >> >> > they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
> >> >> >> What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
> >> >> Looked like Karaoke to me.
> >> >
> >> > Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
> >> I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.
> >
> > Hope it wasn't too cool.
> Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm.. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!

Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.

> > A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
> > hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
> Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.

I can think of better things to do when naked.

> >> You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?
> >
> > your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.

How , not much room down my trousers for a bottle.
Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.

> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
> >
> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.

That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.

> > No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
> > don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
> Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?

Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.

>
> Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.

I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.

> > I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
> I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.

I doubt you've driven much in london then.

>
> Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.

Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.

> > I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.
>
> Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.

Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
>
> I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.

I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

>> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
>> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
>> >> >
>> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
>> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
>> >
>> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
>> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
>
> I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.

If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

>> And I considered once selling things on Amazon (when I made custom built gaming PCs), the Amazon fees would have been DOUBLE Ebay. There's no wonder the end product costs more.
>> >> >> >> >> > we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
>> >> >> >> >> Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Problems getting them, they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Then get each member of staff or student to buy one each.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > yuo can;t do that as it's open to fiddling and not very efficient.
>> >> >> If it's the only way to get them....
>> >> >
>> >> > If they really need them but they don't normally need the latest tech for an undergrad project even masters and MSc don't need them for a project.
>> >> > One student asked us to buy a 5KV pulse generator and some high octane fuel we sent him back to his supervisor
>> >> > for funding to get a research grant , never heard from him again..
>> >> That sounds like an interesting project! What was he aiming to do?
>> >
>> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
>> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
>> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
>
> Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
> something like that needs a serious risk assessment.

Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

> After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
> Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.

Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

>> > I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
>> > Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
>> > Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
>> > he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
>> > Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
>> LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.
>
> The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.

Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?

>> > He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
>> > I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
>> ROFL!
>> >> And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
>> >> >> > If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
>> >> >> > cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
>> >> >> Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.
>> >> >
>> >> > The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
>> >> > We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
>> >> > on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
>> >> Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
> Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
> We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC

In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.

>> >> >> >> >> But he's a fat fuck.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > and that's being polite about him
>> >> >> >> His policies are wonderful.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
>> >> >> He's far right, which I like.
>> >> >
>> >> > He's a con artist.
>> >> Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....
>> >
>> > It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
>> Probably because all governments are criminal.
>
> It does seem that way.

Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.

>> >> > It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
>> >> So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?
>> >
>> > Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
>> > Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
>> Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.
>
> Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure

People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance. Anyway his family were very well off.

>> > It's a bit more serious than that.
>> Amazing how many got over it.
>
> Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital
> and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.

Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:49:13 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:58:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 01:52:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 17:42:29 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 02:02:19 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:43 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Sun, 26 Jun 2022 02:41:57 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Only been in a speeding car twice once a cab at 3am. about 60 or a 30 road. The police stopped him, but I surprised when they just said oh it's a BMW and then said just don;t do it again and that was it..
>> >> >> >> They let him off because it was a BMW?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's what it sounded like they had trouble catching up catching up, must have been quite a fast acceleration
>> >> >> > as it took them a while, he stopped apologised, said he was a cab and driving up home.
>> >> >> > The road was pretty empty at that time. He wasn't a boy racer I think they could tell.
>> >> >> Cabs have an unwritten rule with the police? Maybe there's a bribe.
>> >> >
>> >> > Didn't see any money handed over, and I'm guessing he was a licensed cab.
>> >> Probably a pre-arranged agreement.
>> >
>> > Doubt that we got the cab from angel islinton to walthamstow .
>> I mean pre-arranged between the cab driver and the police.
>
> Then why did they stop him?
> Fare was about £15, what could the police get from that.

Because he didn't have a taxi sign and they didn't recognise him.

>> >> >> Didn't they notice he was a cab? The sign on the roof is as giveaway.
>> >> >
>> >> > No it;'s wasn't a black cab as such but it was black no idea of the model though.
>> >> They all say taxi on them though.
>> >
>> > No that don't not the ones yuo book from cab offices.
>> Strange, my neighbour's son is private hire only (to avoid some fees or other to be allowed to use taxi ranks), but he still has a taxi sign on the top.
>
> Never seen an uber drive with one, not that I've used them friends have.

Neither have I so I wouldn't recognise one if I saw it. No idea how that system works. Is it different to normal cabs?

>> >> >> >> That's not what happened when I was going a tonne on the motorway and a BMW overtook me about 130.
>> >> >> >> > Thought I might have to walk a mile+ home.
>> >> >> >> The police should have had to give you a lift.
>> >> >> >> > Another time in cornwall which was more scary as it was a single road with hedges on either side
>> >> >> >> > but he was a local so I guess he knew the chances of an oncoming vehicle was low.
>> >> >> >> > But in london your lucky if you can get to 30MPH on most roads
>> >> >> >> I dare you to get a lift off me, I'll scare you shitless. If the tyres don't squeal, you didn't go round the corner fast enough.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Maybe you can do that where you live but around here it;s just not possible to much traffic.
>> >> >> Go round them.
>> >> >
>> >> > No where to go after that. Yet another car in front, maybe you've never driven in london.
>> >> Yes, just avoid the congested bits and the congested times.
>> >
>> > There's this thing called rush hour that states about 7am ends about 10am starts again about 4pm and ends about 7pm.
>> Then don't travel then or go elsewhere.
>
> Not very practical.

Stop living by society's times. Sometimes I get up in the evening and go to bed in the morning.

>> >> >> I once got a long distance bus into London. It was amazing how fast he went. Maybe everyone got out of the way.
>> >> > Into London is not exactly London.
>> >> > I was on a bus on mile end road and heard this loud car noise to was 3 Lamborghini think it they were aventors, a white yellow and a blue one revving in the queue of traffic the bus just went past them in it's bus lane.
>> >> Bus lanes are the stupidest idea ever, half the time it's empty tarmac. Best to buy an old taxi, then you can use the bus lane.
>> >
>> > Hardly anywhere to park in Mile end most places are about £10 a day to park.
>> > The college car park is mostly filled with contractors doing building work.
>> > You have to get there before 6am to get a parking spot.
>> Move house.
>
> and have to leave even earlier my manager lives out in brentwood he has to leave house at 5am to get in by 6am. It;s normally a 1 1/2 hour drive at 7:30am to get in at 9am.
> I get the bus and tube cost £6.70 a day there and back takes between 35min to an hour most days.

Change job.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>
>> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
>
> OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.
>
> 4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."
>
> If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.

£21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.

> I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
> Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack

Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

> and add a 4mm stackable plug.
> I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
> but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
> probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)
>
> See what prices you can get them for ....

You can get 30 for a tenner here:
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
Or Ebay is only £7:
https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710

On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
>> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
>> >> >> >> > they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
>> >> >> >> What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
>> >> >> Looked like Karaoke to me.
>> >> >
>> >> > Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
>> >> I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.
>> >
>> > Hope it wasn't too cool.
>> Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!
>
> Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
> A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
> turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
> and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.

ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

>> > A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
>> > hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
>> Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.
>
> I can think of better things to do when naked.

Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.

>> >> You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?
>> >
>> > your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
>> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.
>
> How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.

Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.

> Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
> They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
> If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.

Fucking control freaks.

>> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
>> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
>> >
>> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
>> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.
>
> That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.

It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after 20 years.

> I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
> as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.

I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

>> > No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
>> > don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
>> Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?
>
> Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.

I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

>> Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.
>
> I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
> Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.

You're missing out on the fun of driving.

>> > I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
>> I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.
>
> I doubt you've driven much in london then.

I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.

>> Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.
>
> Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
> I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
> https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1

Ugh, looks like an evil witch. And the song sux.

> I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.
>
>> > I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.
>>
>> Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.
>
> Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.

Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl? Then I'd watch it.

> And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
> doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle

Wozniacki's nice. Makes a cute little orgasmic noise when hitting the ball too.

On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >
> >> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
> >
> > I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.
>
> I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.

We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
of the area coloured in.
We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.

> >> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
> >> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
> >> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
> >> >
> >> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
> >
> > I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
> If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.

Well I believe it when I see it.
ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.

> >> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
> >> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
> >> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
> >
> > Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
> > something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
> Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.

Yep give any loon a gun , that's works out well doesn;t it.
God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
fucking idiots.

You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.

> > After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
> > Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
> Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.

He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.

But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.

On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:37:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> > I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
> >> > Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
> >> > Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
> >> > he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
> >> > Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
> >> LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.
> >
> > The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.
> Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?

No we don;t have reseach technicains anymore, we used to , research technicains are paid for from the grants the college gets
if the grant doesn;t cover the costs...
Two lectures got sacked for that years ago gettingn the public to pay for technicains to work on private reasearch jobs.

I helped him as much as I could but as he is doing a PhD and already has a degree and is being paid more than me he should at least know the basics.
Such as what a 1/4w resistors limits are.

> >> > He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors..
> >> > I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
> >> ROFL!
> >> >> And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
> >> >> >> > If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
> >> >> >> > cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
> >> >> >> Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
> >> >> > We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
> >> >> > on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
> >> >> Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
> > Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
> > We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC
> In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.

Yes they do and they try and we win when we tell them that you can only get this specific kit from this supplier.
Swe had that with our NI elvis kits and with the power gen stuff from Lucus-Nulle, but tehy failed so had to buy from who we told them to.
came to ~140k euros postage alone cost £5K .
Maybe you can find it cheaper on ebay .

> >> >> >> >> >> But he's a fat fuck.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > and that's being polite about him
> >> >> >> >> His policies are wonderful.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
> >> >> >> He's far right, which I like.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > He's a con artist.
> >> >> Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump....
> >> >
> >> > It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
> >> Probably because all governments are criminal.
> >
> > It does seem that way.
> Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.

the reason the tories got in under camooron becatse the smaller party lib dims joined with them.

But then the smaller parties get bigger.
smaller parties also attract the most cluesless.

in the early 1900s thre was NO labour party just cons and libs.

> >> >> > It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
> >> >> So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?
> >> >
> >> > Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
> >> > Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
> >> Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.
> >
> > Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure
> People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance. Anyway his family were very well off.

Not all get carers, allowance and it;'s very low otherwiose everyone would do it.

> >> > It's a bit more serious than that.
> >> Amazing how many got over it.
> >
> > Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital
> > and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.
> Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.

Lots of the weak care for others, the strong tend to just look after themseleves.

On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 00:19:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
> >> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
> >> >> >> >> > they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
> >> >> >> >> What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
> >> >> >> Looked like Karaoke to me.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
> >> >> I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.
> >> >
> >> > Hope it wasn't too cool.
> >> Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!
> >
> > Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
> > A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
> > turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
> > and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
> ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.

Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.

> >> > A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
> >> > hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
> >> Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.
> >
> > I can think of better things to do when naked.
> Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.

Yeah I can't imagine doing that sort of thing in the streets of london.
But OK in a fetish club(s) I've been to but snow isn't needed
not sure I'd like to see a partners parents or my parents frolicing around either.

> >> >> You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?
> >> >
> >> > your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
> >> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.
> >
> > How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.
>
> Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.

It' depends on security a friend of mine used to climb over the fences or go under tham at glastobury
he did that for years during the 90s. Neverv paid to get in.

> > Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
> > They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
> > If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.
> Fucking control freaks.

Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.
> >> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
> >> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
> >> >
> >> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
> >> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.
> >
> > That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
> It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after 20 years.

So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.

> > I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
> > as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
> I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.

A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.

> >> > No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
> >> > don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
> >> Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?
> >
> > Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
> I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.

One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.

> >> Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.
> >
> > I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
> > Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.
> You're missing out on the fun of driving.
> >> > I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
> >> I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.
> >
> > I doubt you've driven much in london then.
> I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.
> >> Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it..
> >
> > Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
> > I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
> > https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
> Ugh, looks like an evil witch.

Well that was the aim these drama students etc..

>And the song sux.
> > I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.
> >
> >> > I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.
> >>
> >> Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.
> >
> > Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
> Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?

I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.
>Then I'd watch it.

> > And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
> > doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
> Wozniacki's nice.

I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.

On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >
> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
> >
> > OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.
> >
> > 4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."
> >
> > If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
> £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
What do you mean 'about 10 is that 10 or not.

Didn;t know we already ordered 4 them on 5th and arrived 3pm on 7th.
yep £21 .
Accedmics collecting them today from us.
contacted o'rielly or rielly who ever is that distrbuites and they have quoted ~£18 each if we order 100.

> > I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
> > Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
> Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.

Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.

> > and add a 4mm stackable plug.
> > I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
> > but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
> > probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)
> >
> > See what prices you can get them for ....
> You can get 30 for a tenner here:
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
> Or Ebay is only £7:
> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710

arrive on thrusday if we order today how comes 2-3 days is a week ?

We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
(most DMM probes come in red and black)
https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
£5.63 and free P&P
if we order today they'll be here on Monday

On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 13:34:43 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:

Ordering stuff,

last few things for today
somewhere between 1 & 5 depending on stat of credit card
Antex U8825F0 690D soldering irons

13 of these although we'll need around 25 by spetember. Again depends on student numbers
ARDUINO ABX00021 Development Board, Arduino Uno WiFi Rev2,

No hurry won;t be ordering now until at least Monday :-)

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >
>> >> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
>> >
>> > I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.
>>
>> I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.
>
> We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.

Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

> Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
> of the area coloured in.
> We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
> So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one..
> I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
> A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.

I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

>> >> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
>> >> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
>> >> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
>> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
>> >
>> > I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
>> If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.
>
> Well I believe it when I see it.
> ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.

Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage. I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.

>> >> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
>> >> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
>> >> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
>> >
>> > Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
>> > something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
>> Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.
>
> Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
> God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
> fucking idiots.

At least they can shoot the police.

> You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.

I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.

>> > After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
>> > Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
>> Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.
>
> He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.

That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

> He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
> Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
> All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.
>
> But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.

He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:31:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:37:07 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> > I'm guessing he didn't account for the weight of fuel needed just to get it into orbit.
>> >> > Trouble with some academics they just say go to the teaching labs borrow what you can from them and buy the rest from your project fund, which is normally £100 max, anything else needs to eb paid for by a research grant.
>> >> > Another student wanted some resistors and an LED that worked at 5KV as he was rotating a magnet in a magnetic field, he wanted to stick a probe in close to the magnet rotating at 30K RPM of something
>> >> > he estimated he'd get a few KVs from a coil placed in the field so wanted to touch it with an LED.
>> >> > Again we sent him back to his supervisor to approve any purchases and to add the items to the on-line order form we provide, but he never found a supplier for either a LED or resistor with a 5KV rating.
>> >> LEDs at 5kV? WTF? There must have been things he could have added to that circuit to take the voltage away.
>> >
>> > The he should put it on the order form and we'd get it subject to costs of course.
>> Maybe he wasn't knowledgeable enough to know about such things. Couldn't you have helped him with it?
>
> No we don;t have reseach technicains anymore, we used to , research technicains are paid for from the grants the college gets
> if the grant doesn;t cover the costs...
> Two lectures got sacked for that years ago gettingn the public to pay for technicains to work on private reasearch jobs.
>
> I helped him as much as I could but as he is doing a PhD and already has a degree and is being paid more than me he should at least know the basics.
> Such as what a 1/4w resistors limits are.

Oh come on, no harm in giving him a hand.

That reminds me, I once walked into the physics tech's room at the school and asked for a 1/8th watt resistor. He asked what value and I said it didn't matter. Guess what I wanted it for.

>> >> > He asked me what would happen if he used our standard 1/4w resistors.
>> >> > I said they'd just go open circuit with a big flash and I wouldn't want to be holding a stick with one on.
>> >> ROFL!
>> >> >> And it's hardly laundering, I thought that was someone disposing of some stolen money by buying and selling things with it.
>> >> >> >> > If something is cheaper on ebay we have used it in the past we bought 100 RGB LEDs
>> >> >> >> > cheap and easy to test if woiking the 10% or so they didn't you can just throw away.
>> >> >> >> Ah so you can use Ebay. You were objecting to it earlier.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The college doesn't like it especially for high value items .
>> >> >> > We're allowed about £2k per month and anything over £500 has to be ordered by finance
>> >> >> > on an account which I think they pay 1-3 months later. Most ebayers want the money up front I don't blame them.
>> >> >> Finance departments are a waste of fucking space. You're the one that knows what you need and where the best place to get it is, not them.
>> > Most of their dealing is with hotels and accommodation for academics traveling abroad for conferences.
>> > We tell them where to get the stuff they pay for it, you can't just get a 3D scanner costing almost £60k on a CC
>> In my experience they dictate which suppliers you're allowed to use for common stuff like computers, stationary, etc.
>
> Yes they do and they try and we win when we tell them that you can only get this specific kit from this supplier.
> Swe had that with our NI elvis kits and with the power gen stuff from Lucus-Nulle, but tehy failed so had to buy from who we told them to.
> came to ~140k euros postage alone cost £5K .

The trouble arises when they think you can use something similar which you know to be inferior. They tried to get me to use Hitachi projectors. I bought Optoma ones against their wishes, slightly cheaper, 2 years more warranty, brighter bulb, higher resolution.

> Maybe you can find it cheaper on ebay .

What exactly am I looking for?

>> >> >> >> >> >> But he's a fat fuck.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > and that's being polite about him
>> >> >> >> >> His policies are wonderful.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > He doesn't have any other than to make himself rich.
>> >> >> >> He's far right, which I like.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > He's a con artist.
>> >> >> Don't care, I'm fed up of left wingers. I see trader4 in alt.home.repair is now moaning about Biden after he used to moan about Trump.....
>> >> >
>> >> > It's easy to moan , people get pissed of when they can;t have what they think they should have.
>> >> Probably because all governments are criminal.
>> >
>> > It does seem that way.
>> Because voters are stupid and only vote in Labour or Tory. They're both useless corrupt charletons. We should vote for smaller parties.
>
> the reason the tories got in under camooron becatse the smaller party lib dims joined with them.

That didn't make sense, Lib Dem is left wing, Tory is right wing.

> But then the smaller parties get bigger.
> smaller parties also attract the most cluesless.

Incorrect. Labour and Tory are the worst and the biggest.

> in the early 1900s thre was NO labour party just cons and libs.

Weren't they called whigs back then?

>> >> >> > It shouldn't be up to them to look after them that's going back 100s of years .
>> >> >> So you wouldn't look after your ill relative?
>> >> >
>> >> > Look after is one thing, I haven;t the skills to do liver transplants, heart ops or even personal care.
>> >> > Even lifting someone up to go on the toilet can do your back in and dropping them.
>> >> Not asking you to do a transplant, just help them do everyday things.
>> >
>> > Like take a shit while I'm at work or sort out eh pills they have to take when they have dementure
>> People looking after relatives don't work, they get carer's allowance.. Anyway his family were very well off.
>
> Not all get carers, allowance and it;'s very low otherwiose everyone would do it.

But that family was rich.

>> >> > It's a bit more serious than that.
>> >> Amazing how many got over it.
>> >
>> > Not everyone does. That's why they are people on respirators in hospital
>> > and if we in the lab are off sick even with a bad cold we'd have to close the lab.
>> Far too many precautions, let the weak die off and strengthen the gene pool.
>
> Lots of the weak care for others, the strong tend to just look after themseleves.

Why would you say a nurse is weak?

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 00:19:45 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 15:10:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 15:15:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 06 Jul 2022 02:39:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Saturday, 2 July 2022 at 23:06:01 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 30 Jun 2022 03:19:46 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Monday, 27 June 2022 at 17:58:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > The last one I went to was a couple of weeks ago .
>> >> >> >> >> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slvwi-4qkG4
>> >> >> >> >> > they used one of my videos I took at 1:47
>> >> >> >> >> What a load of shite, just people yelling and singing without a tune.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I din;t like most of it. arrived about 9pm and left just before 2am. The band I filmed were the last on it that room there were 3 separate areas yuo could wander round. The bands stopped at 11pm and then it was club night.
>> >> >> >> Looked like Karaoke to me.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Nah that's one think I don't like in a night out.
>> >> >> I was at a Karaoke at a nudist camp once, that was cool.
>> >> >
>> >> > Hope it wasn't too cool.
>> >> Judging by the size of a lifeguard's cock on the beach, it was quite warm. 9 inches flaccid! Swinging all over the place!
>> >
>> > Not sure I'd be that intrested I'm not a beach sort of person.
>> > A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
>> > turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
>> > and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
>> ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.
>
> Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
> Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.

I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?

And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?

>> >> > A Finnish GF told me about going with her parents where they have a sauna them have an ice bath then
>> >> > hit each other with sticks/twigs not my idea of fun.
>> >> Sounds fun to me. You're just a wimp.
>> >
>> > I can think of better things to do when naked.
>> Making a girl shriek in pain is fun. Bury her in the Finnish snow too, make her shiver, shaking muscles is sexy.
>
> Yeah I can't imagine doing that sort of thing in the streets of london.
> But OK in a fetish club(s) I've been to but snow isn't needed
> not sure I'd like to see a partners parents or my parents frolicing around either.

People are far too prudish, we should be fucking in public.

>> >> >> You put the alcohol into bottles of lemonade silly. What are they going to do, sip everyone's drink?
>> >> >
>> >> > your not allowed to take in any bottles of liquid, even unopened ones.
>> >> Then you sneak them in. Use your imagination.
>> >
>> > How, not much room down my trousers for a bottle.
>>
>> Places I go to are outdoors, easy to shove something somewhere.
>
> It' depends on security a friend of mine used to climb over the fences or go under tham at glastobury
> he did that for years during the 90s. Neverv paid to get in.

Yip, too big a place to completely secure.

>> > Sure maybe sneak in a couple of minitures hardly worth the effort.
>> > They frisk you too, check any bags even looked in my camera case last saturday.
>> > If teh club night runs after midnigh then you even have to have photo ID.
>> Fucking control freaks.
>
> Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.

Councils are arseholes.

>> >> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
>> >> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
>> >> >
>> >> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
>> >> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.
>> >
>> > That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
>> It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after 20 years.
>
> So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.

I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

>> > I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
>> > as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
>> I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.
>
> A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
> He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.

At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £50 an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

>> >> > No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
>> >> > don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
>> >> Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?
>> >
>> > Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
>> I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.
>
> One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
> From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.

I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it having had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

>> >> Anyway, in civilised (non-town) society, we don't have regular public transport. Since we can afford cars and can go anywhere we like whenever we want.
>> >
>> > I can pretty much do that with cabs. Don;t have to worry about parking either.
>> > Drop off or pick up outside the cliub or pub.
>> You're missing out on the fun of driving.
>> >> > I don;t know anyone that thinks driving is fun in london.
>> >> I find all driving fun. Think of it as a game not a necessity. All other drivers are your enemy.
>> >
>> > I doubt you've driven much in london then.
>> I've driven through the rush hour in Paris, now that was fucking mental.
>> >> Fucking cool! I'd love to see that played in a local church, the locals would go mental. I don't think most religious nutters would appreciate it.
>> >
>> > Yeah the girl I work with sings in a gospal chior they were on the BBC gospal chior of the year or something before covid struck.
>> > I offered her the option of singing a friends band song called the the fuck up, which she dedicated to one of her exs,
>> > https://youtu.be/8stuqJQOCAA?list=PL_bzmSg_7wz-CjDopzatloJoolP5Rhft1
>> Ugh, looks like an evil witch.
>
> Well that was the aim these drama students etc..

I can't stand big noses. I don't think she added that.

>> And the song sux.
>> > I think that would sound cool I like the sound range of gospal chiors just a pity about teh crap lyrics and lack of guitar an riffs.
>> >
>> >> > I guess so , I'm not really interested in mainstream stuff like sports, never been to a football match.
>> >>
>> >> Neither am I, that's entertainment for the dopey masses.
>> >
>> > Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
>> Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?
>
> I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.

Proper matches?

>> Then I'd watch it.
>
>> > And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
>> > doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
>> Wozniacki's nice.
>
> I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.

No, the Danish one: https://wallpapers0079.blogspot.com/2014/08/caroline-wozniacki-danish-professional.html

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >
>> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
>> >
>> > OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.
>> >
>> > 4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."
>> >
>> > If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
>> £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
>well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.

What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

> What do you mean 'about 10 is that 10 or not.

It means I didn't take the effort to count exactly.

> Didn;t know we already ordered 4 them on 5th and arrived 3pm on 7th.
> yep £21 .
> Accedmics collecting them today from us.
> contacted o'rielly or rielly who ever is that distrbuites and they have quoted ~£18 each if we order 100.

I think they're a publisher? Yes they should do bulk discounts.

>> > I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
>> > Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
>> Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.
>
> Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.

I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

>> > and add a 4mm stackable plug.
>> > I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
>> > but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
>> > probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)
>> >
>> > See what prices you can get them for ....
>> You can get 30 for a tenner here:
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
>> Or Ebay is only £7:
>> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710
>
> arrive on thrusday if we order today how comes 2-3 days is a week ?

Some sellers are quicker at posting than others, and Royal Mail are in severe difficulty at the moment with strikes. Ebay gives you an average, I almost always get it a couple of days before then.

> We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
> we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
> (most DMM probes come in red and black)
> https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
> £5.63 and free P&P
> if we order today they'll be here on Monday

Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 16:58:53 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 13:34:43 UTC+1, Whisky-dave wrote:
>
> Ordering stuff,
>
> last few things for today
> somewhere between 1 & 5 depending on stat of credit card
> Antex U8825F0 690D soldering irons
>
> 13 of these although we'll need around 25 by spetember. Again depends on student numbers
> ARDUINO ABX00021 Development Board, Arduino Uno WiFi Rev2,
>
>
> No hurry won;t be ordering now until at least Monday :-)

Credit card?

On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
> >> >
> >> > I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.
> >>
> >> I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.
> >
> > We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
> Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!

Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.

> > Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
> > of the area coloured in.
> > We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
> > So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
> > I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
> > A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
> I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.

Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.

> >> >> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
> >> >> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
> >> >> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
> >> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
> >> >
> >> > I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
> >> If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.
> >
> > Well I believe it when I see it.
> > ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
> Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.

Never seems to be a problem whehn we order.

> I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
> >> >> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
> >> >> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
> >> >> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
> >> >
> >> > Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
> >> > something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
> >> Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.
> >
> > Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
> > God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
> > fucking idiots.
> At least they can shoot the police.
Like on jan 6th good idea.

> > You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
> I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
couldn;t care less myself.

> >> > After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
> >> > Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
> >> Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.
> >
> > He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
> That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.

That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.

> > He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
> > Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
> > All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.
> >
> > But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
> He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,m I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died
you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.

Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
Like the footballer in the light aircraft .

On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> > A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
> >> > turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
> >> > and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
> >> ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.
> >
> > Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
> > Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
> I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.

Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)

>
> Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?

yes that's how I know about it as he said he;s seeing a doctor about it, but I;ve no idea if it got sorted lost contact after he moved to canada.

>
> And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?

Not much point haven't a larger cock if yuo can;t use it.

> >
> > Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.
> Councils are arseholes.

Yes most seem to be made up of arseholes.

> >> >> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
> >> >> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
> >> >> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.
> >> >
> >> > That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
> >> It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after 20 years.
> >
> > So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
> I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)

Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)

On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> > I gave my mordan short 80W speakers, twop old dysons, and quite a bit of other stuff to the british heart foundation , they didn;t want my old computers
> >> > as it'd take them too long to erase discs, finding pucka sotfware and get them working.
> >> I used to know a postgrad student how did that as a hobby, he took old computers and did them up to give to charity. He used to come to me for a few spare parts to complete them. I gave him stuff for free that was too old for any research use.
> >
> > A friend did that bought cheap items tested them on his Macs and if they worked he then sold them on ebay as working on Mac OS
> > He made a bit of money but he just lovered doing it for a year or so then got bored.
> At the school I found a cupboard full of antique stuff, including two Domesday machines I got working and loads of Mac Classics. My predecessor shoved them in there to avoid the £20 per item disposal fee. I put everything on Ebay at an average of £50 an item and made a couple of grand. I got to keep the money, the school was happy to get an empty cupboard and not pay the disposal fee.

That's how I got my SE-30 as the SIMM holders went brittle and snapped so you could have any more than 4MB installed.

That's handy we used to have someone an any old iron bloke called Tom the Tutt he used to collect all our scape stuff .
I wished we'd kept some of that stuff would be worth quite a bit now.
I wanted to keep the jabobs ladder that was lent out to the film set for young frankiestien the one that sting was in.
Loads of old meters dating from the 60s in bakolite cases.
3 phases varaics with control wheels the size of car stearing wheels.
1.5 KW loads although those were the size of a washing macine and had asbestos panels in them.

We had 6.6MV van der graff and a 10ft diameter fly wheel that was used to keep it going.
We used to to test for lightning strikes on the concorde fuselage and filmed it using a 20 FPS camera
this was just before my time here think it was ealry 70s.
Also had lots of high power high voltage stuff
Large oil filed transformers. Lots of interesting bits and pieces but all thrown out.

I have a ledger book with some things listed
125uF 3.5KV capacitor £35 in may 1964 in todays money that's about £700 !
Model 7 AVO £16 june 1957 in todays money that's about £400 !

> >> >> > No problem for me, even the night bus is every 15mins, 30-45 mins from the club,
> >> >> > don;t have to worry about drinking to much either.
> >> >> Doesn't the bus driver refuse to let you on when you keep falling over?
> >> >
> >> > Which I don't. Getting out in the iopen air sort of sobers me up enough to be able to walk the few 100 metres to teh bus stop.
> >> I'm very good at being drunk. I can be 5 times over the legal limit and the police don't even notice. Once I was completely stoned too, all I got was a fine for not wearing a seatbelt. Stupid fuckers.
> >
> > One thing I've always wondered about is how far over the legal limit I'd be but I've never been tested.
> > From being a bit merry to telling crap jokes to falling over and ending up comatosed on the floor and not being able to get to bed.
> I don't get that drunk, but I do consume a very large amount, since I use it all the time and have got used to it. Even as a teenager, the first time I ever had drink, my friend got utterly pissed and couldn't stand up and I could hardly feel it having had the same amount. His girlfriend though it was funny when he started a fight with me and planted his face into the ground when I stepped to one side.

People do have differnt tolerancies alsot deoends on speed of drinking and whether you've had anything to eat.

>
> It's daft they go by blood alcohol percentage, when the same number can affect people by different amounts. It's also been shown that being tired has precisely the same effect on driving as being drunk, but you don't lose your license for that.

Yeah or looking in the mirror to do makeup.
I used to drive better at caremggedon after a few drinks back from the pub ......
>
> Anyway I drive better when drunk because I know I'm drunk and pay more attention.

Would like to be able to myself in such circumstances.

> >> > Yep, although I did watch a bit of womens football last night.
> >> Why don't they all play naked? In mud? Take it less seriously and end up in a brawl?
> >
> > I've seen videos of such thing back in the 80s.
> Proper matches?

Like WWF wrestling you mean ?

I've no idea.

> >> Then I'd watch it.
> >
> >> > And some of the women tennis players are cute, but doubt I';ll ever get the chance to meet any
> >> > doubt I'll see them in the clubs I go to and proabbly even less likely to see them in my local aldi or lidle
> >> Wozniacki's nice.
> >
> > I thought he was the one that worked with steve jobs on the Macs in the mid 80s.
> No, the Danish one: https://wallpapers0079.blogspot.com/2014/08/caroline-wozniacki-danish-professional.html

oh right she's OK

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
>> >> >
>> >> > I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.
>> >>
>> >> I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay.. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.
>> >
>> > We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
>> Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!
>
> Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.

Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

>> > Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
>> > of the area coloured in.
>> > We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
>> > So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
>> > I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
>> > A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
>> I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.
>
> Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.

I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

>> >> >> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
>> >> >> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
>> >> >> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
>> >> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
>> >> If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.
>> >
>> > Well I believe it when I see it.
>> > ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
>> Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.
>
> Never seems to be a problem when we order.

Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

>> I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
>> >> >> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it.. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
>> >> >> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
>> >> >> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
>> >> >
>> >> > Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
>> >> > something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
>> >> Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.
>> >
>> > Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
>> > God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
>> > fucking idiots.
>> At least they can shoot the police.
> Like on jan 6th good idea.

Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

>> > You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
>> I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
> couldn;t care less myself.

I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone..

>> >> > After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
>> >> > Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
>> >> Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.
>> >
>> > He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
>> That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.
>
> That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.

Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

>> > He should even been putting them down the sink in the first place.
>> > Maybe he couldn't read, maybe he didn't give a shit. Maybe he though it wasn't his reposonsibity to lok aafter the equipment he's been given.
>> > All very basic stuff but for most things if yuo are doing something that could be dangerous to have someone around that can help.
>> >
>> > But who's paying for the costs of the rebuild and his hospital costs, yes you the tax payer.
>> He should. You see the trouble with your way is someone higher up takes responsibility for "not teaching him" or "not supervising him". Just blame the person that did it.
>If it'd been my lab he wouldn't be allowed in there after 5pm.
> Would you allow someone to drive your car that couldn't drive,

Yes of course.

> I'm guess you would and if he crashed it and died you'd lose the car, but who would you blame.

Him, he crashed it. I'd expect money from his assets.

> Great idea but sometimes they end up dead who do you blame then.
> Like the footballer in the light aircraft .

This?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-46966424

"even the most fit person would only survive for a few hours in the water." - Bullshit, fit people can swim for more than a few hours. Even I'm happy at 3 hours.

On Saturday, 9 July 2022 at 14:52:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:34:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 22:29:20 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 14:17:14 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
> >> >
> >> > OK, here's a couple of things I'm looking to buy.
> >> >
> >> > 4 of these "Make: Electronics, 3e: Learning by Discovery: A Hands-On Primer for the New Electronics Enthusiast."
> >> >
> >> > If supervisor likes them as they have in previous years will be ordering 100-200 depending on how many students sign up for the course in september.
> >> £21 paperback Amazon and Ebay. Ebay has about 10 in stock, I couldn't work out how to see the stock level in Amazon as their web page is an unintuitive piece of shit.
> >well 30 as that's how far you could scroll down , when ordering before I;ve notice that's how they do things.
> What are you talking about "as far as you can scroll down"?

When you click on the number yuo can scroll down to enter the number yuo want to order it went to 30 and stopped.

> > What do you mean 'about 10 is that 10 or not.
> It means I didn't take the effort to count exactly.

well most places give you the number in stock and most of our suppliers tell you what's in stock and when more stock will arrive.
I'm ordering caps and resistors and stuff .
such as 2N3904 I'm ordering 300 to start with
Order in multiples of 10
10,740 in Stock, despatched same day
Additional quantity lead time 5 months

> > Didn;t know we already ordered 4 them on 5th and arrived 3pm on 7th.
> > yep £21 .
> > Accedmics collecting them today from us.
> > contacted o'rielly or rielly who ever is that distrbuites and they have quoted ~£18 each if we order 100.
> I think they're a publisher? Yes they should do bulk discounts.

Yes and that gets sent to finance to pay for.

> >> > I need to make up better leads for the DMMs, the path of least hassle for me is to buy sets of these :-
> >> > Sealey Jumper Test Lead Set 5 Pairs (or similar) cut in half so 20 per pack
> >> Ugh, I've got those, don't try to put more than an amp through them or they melt.
> >
> > Well for DMMs we don't need much current we try to aviod using them to measure current.
> I often measure current. An amp or so. Difficult to get leads that like that, especially without dropping many volts.

Yes that's the disadvantage of measuring amps.
Most things run on volts , which is why I hope they'll tech students about current limits on our PSU.
Most things they do run on less that 1amp.

> >> > and add a 4mm stackable plug.
> >> > I'll try one pack for now work out how long it'll take me and if it's cheaper than buying the pre-made 4mm to Croc clip leads we had in the past
> >> > but the croc clips were too large and bulking for small devices so I replaced them with mini shrouded croc clips.
> >> > probbaly make up at least 50 pairs if noit more , hopefully we'll get a work experience person to do them :-)
> >> >
> >> > See what prices you can get them for ....
> >> You can get 30 for a tenner here:
> >> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Elegoo-Leads-Alligator-Double-end-Jumper/dp/B073QGMY1V
> >> Or Ebay is only £7:
> >> https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/383938523710
> >
> > arrive on thrusday if we order today how comes 2-3 days is a week ?
> Some sellers are quicker at posting than others, and Royal Mail are in severe difficulty at the moment with strikes. Ebay gives you an average, I almost always get it a couple of days before then.

Yes my leads were odered after 6pm on friday.
Today got an email saying they have been despatched , which usually means they'll arrive before 3pm tomorrow.

> > We buy quite a bit of Elegoo stuff
> > we are going to try these even cheaper as we really only want just black and red (maybe green if we had to) to encourage the students to colour code.
> > (most DMM probes come in red and black)
> > https://www.rapidonline.com/r-tech-524603-pk-of-20-croc-leads-10-red-10-black-460mm-52-4603
> > £5.63 and free P&P
> > if we order today they'll be here on Monday
> Yes I used Rapid and CPC/Farnell a lot, much cheaper than RS. I just used RS for difficult to get things. I got mains plugs from CPC for 20p each!

Mains plugs who buys them I've over 200 IEC leads and if we put a plug on anything college says it needs a PAT test cert which is £1.39
but have to wait until someone comes and does the test, it;s been 4 years since the last tests

On Monday, 11 July 2022 at 14:42:35 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:48:29 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 19:20:18 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 12:08:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 7 July 2022 at 15:36:56 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 07 Jul 2022 01:41:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Wednesday, 6 July 2022 at 14:20:49 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Perhaps your finance department wasn't so corrupt. Universities are more privatised (therefore accountable) than schools.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I guess so, there's lines of responsibility as the cost of anything goes up you have to get supervisor approval and then it goes to the course organiser , then head of school then head of department, then to the principle for things like the laser PCB maker which is £250k.
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm sure my council had backhanders. There was a "study" that showed inkjet printers cost 14p a page to print in colour, so we were told to use the rented Xerox colour photocopier at 6p a page. I pointed out we were using Brother printers with fake ink at 1p a page. Then I find out the study was conducted by..... Xerox! And using HP (the most expensive shite) with genuine (WTF?) cartridges. Never got them to back down, but they turned a blind eye to my Brother printer and ink purchases on Ebay. The staff certainly preferred not having to walk right across the building to fetch printouts. I even made a stack of them (we got some square ones with scanners on top), I piled 6 high and plugged them into the same machine, got them all running at once to do big jobs of thousands of pages like the school calender. Wonderful things, an LED came on on anything that ran out of paper or ink and I just slotted a new cartridge in the front.
> >> >
> >> > We're using HP printers they are pretty good quality prints , good enough for most photos , cost about ~12p per page 3p for monochrome.
> >> Try Brother or Epson and get cheap fake cartridges, or better yet an official or unofficial continuous ink supply system. At home I get the equivalent of 13p a cartridge!
> >
> > Nothing to do with me or even the department , we just print and that's it. It's a college wide system.
> Your department doesn't have it's own printers?

No why would we. Only research, if they need a specific printer for a specific reason, such as one inkjet that was specailly desgined for using with conductive ink.
and the few poster printers we have. They just replace the printers after 2-3 years
Presently a Pagewide Managed color MFP E77660 and a Pagewide Managed color MFP E58650.
All controlled by college IT services , they keep counts of how many prints the students do , students can use a card to pay for credits to print more..
But they don;t print much, course work is mainly emailed in as PDF instructions and labsheets sent to them as PDFs.
We sometimes print out help sheets and some basic labs sheets.
Why would we need our own printers ?

> >> > Calcucting costs is difficult but when printing almost full page colour it does use more ink, I did the calcualtions years ago and in the days when we used inkjet it cost about 25p per A4 page for photos or graphs which had more than 75%
> >> > of the area coloured in.
> >> > We use access cards to print and so do all students and members off staff we don;t send our prints to a printer they go to a server and I can go almost anywhere on campus and use almost any printer.
> >> > So if a printer is out of action or consumables just go to another one.
> >> > I never have to fill them with paper or toner as that's included, the printer just sends a message to someone and within a day they come and replace or fill them.
> >> > A3 and A4 500 sheet capacity I keep a ream or 2 of paper for emergencies though plus some photo quality paper.
> >> I've never used a printer where the ink costs more than the paper.
> >
> > Well the cheap stadard papper is OK for most things. But if you want a print to last you need better paper. We have a few large format printers for posters and stuff, up to A0 I think.
> I thought it was the ink that mattered for longevity. Immunity to UV for example.

No it;s the paper too how much ink it soaks up, glossy matt, pearl stipple depending on effect.
differnt papper abosrb diffenert amounts of ink and sometimes the cheap inks aren;t colourfast.
If you want the best you don't use standard ink anyway you use dye sublimation ink

> >> >> >> >> >> > we bought 50 of these Bench Top Linear Power Supply, 0-30V 5A with Twin Outputs.
> >> >> >> >> >> These? Did you drop a link?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > was from onecall but the site was down for maintenance, seemed more expensive on ebay when we looked and only had a couple and weighing about 5-6KG each P&P was expensive .
> >> >> >> >> Occasionally it's cheaper elsewhere, but I always start with Ebay, and if the price looks too much I have a search elsewhere. And absolutely never used overpriced Amazon. That's just Ebay with less choices and more cost.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > That's not my experience , the dd thing is cheaper on ebay but not by much.
> >> >> >> Every single thing, I did some random tests to check. Just think of a few things, find them on both. Ebay is always a lot less.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I'll let you know the next thing(s) we are looking for.
> >> >> If it's something specialist you might find it's cheaper on CPC etc, but Ebay is always less than Amazon. It's because the seller fees are much higher (double!) on Amazon.
> >> >
> >> > Well I believe it when I see it.
> >> > ebays trick is not to include P&P in the price, amazon always include P&P as long as you spend more than £20.
> >> Other way round. On Ebay the results clearly show postage, and if you sort by price it includes the postage in the calculation. Amazon is all over the place with postage.
> >
> > Never seems to be a problem when we order.
>
> Every time I look at Amazon I can't tell what the postage will be.

I guess it depends on what you order but we've never seem to have a problem as we don;t have prime either.
The only time we don;t know is if teh total is below £20 then it says at the top add £xxxx for free P&P.
Even when we had £19.99 it said £0.01p for free P&P
I find ebay more confusing as you don;t know which carrier they'll be using.
tried to order 300 2N3904 on ebay what a pain first supllier only had 140 in stock, another only had 200,
and non seem to be cheaper than rapid .

> >> I have to almost buy each product to find out the postage.
> >> >> >> > Some sort of fast propulsion drive for probes to other planets he claimed it was faster than anything NASA had, he wanted to prove it. Not sure we could do that in a lab.
> >> >> >> > Can you image the problems using a 5KV pulse generator to ignite high octane fuel :-0
> >> >> >> I assume you have some outdoor areas?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not really and you'd need people there in case of any accidents and to take responsibility
> >> >> > something like that needs a serious risk assessment.
> >> >> Get to fuck. Why can't people take responsibility for themselves? This isn't fucking America. We're better than that.
> >> >
> >> > Yep give any loon a gun, that's works out well doesn;t it.
> >> > God protects them from covid but they still need a gun because God won;t prodect them from fellow americans.
> >> > fucking idiots.
> >> At least they can shoot the police.
> > Like on jan 6th good idea.
> Armor piercing bullets is the answer, called "cop killers". Don't let them control us.

Ours don't control us.

> >> > You claimed to have been on a beach with a liffe guard why are they needed if you can't swim you shouldn't go in the water.
> >> I can swim and there shouldn't be life guards.
> > couldn;t care less myself.
> I do when one tells me off for swimming outside his precious little zone.

That's what happened to an idiot who died after swimming in a quarry.
and some before him.

> >> >> > After the last incident a couple of years ago when someone was working after 6pm flushed some chemicals down the sink and there was an explosion took out quite a few windows and wreck the room the police turned up with the bomb squad before anyone really knew what happened.
> >> >> > Lots of questions on why the student wasn't being supervised, he got quite badly burnt from what I heard.
> >> >> Which is entirely the student's fault and nobody is to blame but him. He's not a child.
> >> >
> >> > He obviously didn't know which chemicals shouldn;t be mixed that's why there's safety rules and notices and training given.
> >> That's fucking pathetic. People are such pansies nowadays, they think tiny risks are important.
> >
> > That's how yuo leanr the problem comes when yuo're standing close to some idiot and you get injured.
> Too unlikely to happen for me to care.

On Mon, 11 Jul 2022 13:55:50 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Friday, 8 July 2022 at 22:50:27 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Fri, 08 Jul 2022 13:07:59 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > A friend of a frind had an 8.5" but when he got a hard on he got a bad nose bleed which didn;t exacly
>> >> > turnn his lady friend on, felt quite sorry for him but couldnt; resist laughing when he told me ,
>> >> > and everytime I saw him chat a girl up.
>> >> ROTFPMSL! Why on earth would a stiffy be connected with nosebleeds? Nosebleeds are usually high blood pressure, maybe the pressure goes up when excited and is enough to burst the blood vessels in his nose.
>> >
>> > Yes that's exactly what happens , and why when people get angry their blood pressure goes up and they go red.
>> > Blood vessels can burst too which adds to the effect.
>> I went to school with a girl who could make her whole face go bright red at will. Didn't seem too wise to me.
>
> Maybe it was a 'special' school for unwise kids ;-)

Her brother took karate. Somehow he got into a fight with 10 of his classmates and lost.

>> Surely a doctor could fix his problem? Otherwise how is he going to enjoy sex? Or even anything that gives him an erection?
>
> yes that's how I know about it as he said he;s seeing a doctor about it, but I;ve no idea if it got sorted lost contact after he moved to canada.

Not sure if moving to Canada will help.

>> And why is this anything to do with him having a larger than average cock?
>
> Not much point haven't a larger cock if yuo can;t use it.

Maybe its larger when flaccid too?

>> > Islington council threatened to clsoe them down if they didnl' keep records, even some of the pubs do it.
>> Councils are arseholes.
>
> Yes most seem to be made up of arseholes.

They're people who can't get jobs in private companies.

>> >> >> >> > Know anyone that wants to buy a 4x CD RW SCSI, a SCSI flatbed scanner , a G3 tower , Macplus, mac SE/30, LC475. 2 zip drives. I can;t be bothered making sure they all work , then taking photos etc...
>> >> >> >> Sounds like a bunch of old junk, just list the whole lot and shove it on freecycle.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > One day, I'd like to get them all working in a room but haven't got the space.
>> >> >> I've got addicted to that. I have a total of 3 smartphones, 9 CPUs, and 13 graphics cards running 24/7 doing a lot of science research. Alzheimers today. They're studying a certain protein that makes some people completely immune to it. I have a couple of neighbours with it so I'm doing my bit.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's good but how effienct is the old kit for number crunching, is it really worth the cost of the electricity.
>> >> It heats the house anyway. And yeah I could buy new stuff to use less power, but newer stuff is very expensive at the moment. I also like running stuff into the ground. I don't give a shit if my car gets fuck all mpg for example, it's still going after 20 years.
>> >
>> > So is my mac still like to play the odd game of starcraft on it.
>> I just repaired a 17 year old monitor. Just needed three capacitors. I put some low ESR ones in, they should last longer than 17 years :-)
>
> Is it top of the range SVGA ;-)

17" 1280*1024 LCD. Got it for free a few years ago.