On Mon, 30 May 2022 10:41:17 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 26 May 2022 at 16:58:25 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On 04/05/2022 11:04, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 10:32:40 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> >> >> >> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>> On 04/05/2022 09:28, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >>>> On Wed, 04 May 2022 09:09:19 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org>
>> >> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> On 04/05/2022 08:18, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>> Hey, you're here at 8 in the morning! I got up at 11:30pm, so I'm not
>> >> >> >>>>>> sure what time this is for me. I'll be going to bed late afternoon.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> I was watch-keeping for a large part of my working life. It's no big
>> >> >> >>>>> shakes WHEN one sleeps, but sleep IS necessary!
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I've removed myself from the 24 hour religion of life. I get up when
>> >> >> >>>> ready, and go to sleep when tired, whenever that may be.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> A bit like being retired - like me!
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I'm 46 and have decided to retire now. I can get my pension in 9 years.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I used to sell pension plans. How will you qualify for your at the age
>> >> >> > of just 55?
>> >> >> I thought it was a law. Maybe it's because mine are government plans. 55 with no reason given, even lower if you can prove you're ill.
>> >> >
>> >> > Yes I think that is correct but you can lose quite a bit by taking it so early .
>> >> > Normally it's about 60 is reasonable.
>> >> I haven't checked the amounts, but I assume they assume you will die at a certain age. So if you're taking it over twice as many years, they halve the amount (with adjustments for interest and inflation etc).
>> >
>> > Yes and why some of my slightly younger friends retirment date is 67 or 68
>> That was simply a stupid change in the law to make people work longer despite there being more people than jobs already.
>
> That wasn't the reason it is because pensions not being able to last until death due to the average life expectancy increasing over the years.

Still a stupid idea. If we make people work to a higher age, this raises unemployment, so benefits are paid instead of pensions. What do we gain? Nothing. There's only a certain amount of work that needs done, it should be shared equally among all citizens. Lower the retirement age or lower the working hours, that way every single person works the same amount and everyone is happy.

>> > They use life expectance to calculate such things, same problem the NHS has.
>> How does that change my point? If I take my pension over twice the number of years, I get half the amount per year, I lose nothing, they lose nothing.
>
> But if you live longer than expected then you draw more money than you were expecting.
> It's very simialr in inflation.

Wrong way round.

If I retire at 65 and live to 85, I draw a pension for 20 years.
If I retire early at 45 and live to 85, I draw a pension for twice as long, but they half the amount I get per year, so I get the same amount.

Now consider I live 10 years longer than expected.

If I retire at 65 and live to 95, I draw a pension for 30 years, costing them 50% more than they thought.
If I retire early at 45 and live to 95, I draw a pension for 50 years at half the amount per year and cost them only 25% more than expected.

>> >> >> >>>>>>> I've now installed it on my main computer and will put it on my other
>> >> >> >>>>>>> one shortly. I've also publicised the programme on my Facebook
>> >> >> >>>>>>> timeline
>> >> >> >>>>>>> and the group which I run.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Excellent, thank you. People aren't flocking to it so much now covid
>> >> >> >>>>>> research has declined. People don't seem to care about cancer, which
>> >> >> >>>>>> kills far more.
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> Pay close attention to when you complete the tasks and the "timeout" -
>> >> >> >>>>>> it has a habit of giving slower computers stuff it can't do in
>> >> >> >>>>>> time. If
>> >> >> >>>>>> it passes the timeout it's not the end of the world, but if it gets to
>> >> >> >>>>>> the expiration date the task has been a waste of time.
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Thanks for the warning. I didn't like the way it started to trigger my
>> >> >> >>>>> cooling fans so have 'turned it down' now.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> I doubt you'll complete much in time if it's not maxed out. Fans are
>> >> >> >>>> meant to spin. Most of my fans run at 75% speed.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Understood. Thanks.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> To reduce fan speed, ensure they're dust free for better cooling, a
>> >> >> >> sharp blow from your mouth into it will shift it. Be ready to inhale a
>> >> >> >> lot of dust, or hold the end of a running hoover hose nearby!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Have you ever tried blowing into a 27 inch Apple iMac?!!!
>> >> >> I wouldn't be seen dead near one, so no.
>> >> >
>> >> > This boy obviously has no sense of style ;-)
>> >> A computer is a functional item, not a fucking ornament.
>> >
>> > It can be both. Why buy an ugly, noisy, biege box .
>> Do you buy a certain colour of fridge freezer too? Are you female?
>
> No more than I would with a car or bike or even clothes.

So why with a computer?

>> >> >> > We could connect them together with strong tow bars and operate them
>> >> >> > like a train!
>> >> >> Volvo suggested with their very close speed matching radars they were safer. An impact would be reduced a lot, because you're only a foot away, so you're almost a part of the car in front.
>> >> >
>> >> > That doesn't really much much sense if you take into account breaking distances.
>> >> What?! If you're 1 foot behind the next car, and it jams it's brakes on, you will hit it with a closing speed of about 2mph and do no damage.
>> > What even if yuo're doing 60MPH, I doubt it.
>> How much do you think a car would slow from 60mph in 1 foot?
>
> not by much and that is the problem.

No it isn't. You and the car in front are both going 60mph, 1 foot apart. If he jams his brakes on, by the time you come into contact with him, you will be going 60 and he will be going say 57. So an impact of 3mph or fuck all. But with a bigger gap, the closing speed would have got much more.

>> >> This will make you go "shit!" and jam on your brakes too.
>> > Bit late them with thinking distances let alone with reaction timnes.
>> Reaction times in the highway code are about 3 times longer than any normal person.
>
> I wonder how long it takes to put down the mobile phone or finish reading the latest post before looking up
> and colliding with a stationary vehicle.

On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > geoff
>> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>> >> >
>> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
>> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
>> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
>> >
>> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
>> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
>
> I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
> I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
> having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
> that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
> I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.

Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers.

> If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.

A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

>> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
>> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
>
> that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
> That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.

A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.

> But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.

Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

> You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.

Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.

>> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
>> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
>> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
>> >> >> start off with !
>> >> >
>> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
>> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
>> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
>> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
>> >
>> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
>> > that I heard use aluminium.
>> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.
>
> and shit for charging too.

I don't charge things off my phoneline.

> even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
> Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.

Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.

>> If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.
>
> Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
> If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil.......

It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

>> >> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
>> >> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
>> >> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
>> >
>> > AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
>> All Americans have the mental age of kids.
>
> well most do, not quite all,

There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.

Japan = IQ 106
China = IQ 105
UK = IQ 99
America = IQ 97
Gorilla = IQ 80
Nigerian = IQ 65

Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.

> then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
> against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.

Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > You really are nuts!
> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose..
> >> >
> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
> >
> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!

Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
in a particular directionof choice.
> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
> >
> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.

why would an electric car have a gear box ?

> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
> >
> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
> You live in a city? Why?

Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.

> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
> What weird things to steal!

I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.

> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
> >> >
> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
> >
> > Not all, some dye
> Never seen that.

> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.

Note when it;s done with style.

> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
> >
> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?

Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.

> >> >> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
> >> >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
> >> >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
> >> >> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
> >> >> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
> >> >> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
> >> >
> >> > I do the same with students.
> >> For example?
> >
> > Watch them see what they are trying to do.
> > One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
> > After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
> > Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
> > So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
> > She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
> > But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)
> ROTFPMSL!
> >> >> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).
> >> >
> >> > I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
> >> > I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
> >> I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.
> >
> > We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
> > while I'm eating,
> Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.

I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.

On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> >> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
> >> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
> >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
> >> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
> >> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
> >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
> >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > geoff
> >> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
> >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
> >> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
> >> >
> >> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
> >> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
> >
> > I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
> > I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
> > having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
> > that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
> > I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
> Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers.
> > If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
> A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!

Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
I've never needed to do it.

>
> And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?

No idea never had one.

> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
> >
> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
Most people stand on this planet called earth.

A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.

> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.

But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .

But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.

> > You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
> Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.

That's why we have earth leakage ones.

> >> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> >> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> >> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> >> >> >> start off with !
> >> >> >
> >> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
> >> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
> >> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
> >> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
> >> >
> >> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
> >> > that I heard use aluminium.
> >> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.
> >
> > and shit for charging too.
> I don't charge things off my phoneline.

Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.

> > even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
> > Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB..
> Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.

> >> If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.
> >
> > Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
> > If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil.......
> It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.

I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
unless 'we' take responsibility.

> >> >> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
> >> >> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
> >> >> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
> >> >
> >> > AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
> >> All Americans have the mental age of kids.
> >
> > well most do, not quite all,
> There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.
>
> Japan = IQ 106
> China = IQ 105
> UK = IQ 99
> America = IQ 97
> Gorilla = IQ 80
> Nigerian = IQ 65
>
> Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.
> > then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
> > against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
> Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > You really are nuts!
>> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>> >> >
>> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
>> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
>> >
>> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
>> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
>
> Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
> in a particular directionof choice.

It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.

>> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
>> >
>> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
>> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
>
> why would an electric car have a gear box ?

It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

>> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
>> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
>> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
>> >
>> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
>> You live in a city? Why?
>
> Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.

Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

>> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
>> What weird things to steal!
>
> I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.

Surely just print one?

> would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.

They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.

>> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
>> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
>> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>> >> >
>> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
>> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
>> >
>> > Not all, some dye
>> Never seen that.
>
>> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
>> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
>
> Note when it;s done with style.

No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

>> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
>> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
>> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
>> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
>> >
>> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
>> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?
>
> Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.

I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.

Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

>> >> >> >> I was once at an office xmas lunch in a restaurant, and my (slightly
>> >> >> >> OCD) colleague was opposite me and looked irritated. I turned round to
>> >> >> >> follow his gaze and saw a photo on the wall which was slightly
>> >> >> >> misaligned. I straightened it, and he said thank you. The other
>> >> >> >> colleagues were alarmed and thought we had telepathy.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The greater consciousness of mankind, I call it.
>> >> >> In actual fact I just followed where he was looking, saw something I knew would irritated him, and corrected it.
>> >> >
>> >> > I do the same with students.
>> >> For example?
>> >
>> > Watch them see what they are trying to do.
>> > One girl that was more interested in taking selfies than doing her project, moved from one bench to another taking the glue gun with her.
>> > After another 10mins of posing she put her hand on the glue gun and decdied it wasn't getting warm so unplugged it and plugged it into another socket.
>> > Carried on posing and chatting away on her phone, after anotherb 10mins I went over towards her and asked if everything was OK, she said your glue guns doesn't work it's not heating up.
>> > So I showed her the rocker switch next to the socket and explained that you need to switch that on too, and in about 5mins it'll be hot enough.
>> > She looked really embarresed as she'd been at least 30mins in to her 2 hour allocated time and done nothing.
>> > But I didn't make fun of her, she know she'd did that all on her own :-)
>> ROTFPMSL!
>> >> >> We were once doing some electrical work in a classroom, and found a poster that had been drawn which said "the importance of learing". Neither of us could stop laughing for a full 5 minutes. I have to wonder if the teacher left that there as a punishment for their stupidity, or was too stupid to notice (it was the thickest teacher in the school).
>> >> >
>> >> > I've done similar things I even put a notice on the wall upside down the students were laughing , I asked them what was funny , they said because it's upside down,
>> >> > I said Ah so you've actually read it then , so you know I'm closed for lunch from 1-2pm, so you won't keep knocking on the door now will you.
>> >> I never closed for lunch. In fact lunch was the best time to fix things, when others weren't using the computers.
>> >
>> > We don't close as a lab but we aren't there when going out to get sandwhiches and I don't like students coming up to me asking for things etc
>> > while I'm eating,
>> Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.
>
> I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.

Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > geoff
>> >> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
>> >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
>> >> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
>> >> >
>> >> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
>> >> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
>> >
>> > I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
>> > I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
>> > having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
>> > that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
>> > I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
>> Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers..
>> > If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
>> A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!
>
> Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
> I've never needed to do it.

Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.

>> And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?
>
> No idea never had one.

Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

>> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
>> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
>> >
>> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
>> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
>> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
> Most people stand on this planet called earth.

No, most are on a non-conducting floor, or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.

> A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.

If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.

You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water. They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

>> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
>> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.
>
> But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
> Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
> One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
> Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .

If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

> But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.

The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

>> > You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
>> Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.
>
> That's why we have earth leakage ones.

Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

>> >> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
>> >> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
>> >> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
>> >> >> >> start off with !
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
>> >> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
>> >> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
>> >> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
>> >> >
>> >> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
>> >> > that I heard use aluminium.
>> >> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.
>> >
>> > and shit for charging too.
>> I don't charge things off my phoneline.
>
> Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.

On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.

All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
> >> >
> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
> >
> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
> > in a particular directionof choice.
> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
> >> >
> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
> >
> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.

That's not what they are for.

> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
> >> >
> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
> >> You live in a city? Why?
> >
> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.

You mean for those that are to old to live.

> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
> >> What weird things to steal!
> >
> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
> Surely just print one?
I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.

> > would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
> They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.

Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.

>
> Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> >> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
> >> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
> >> >
> >> > Not all, some dye
> >> Never seen that.
> >
> >> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
> >> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
> >
> > Note when it;s done with style.
> No, because they never look 3D like hairs.

They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style

> >> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
> >> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
> >> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
> >> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
> >> >
> >> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
> >> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?
> >
> > Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
> I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.
>
> Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!

She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.

I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.

> >> Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.
> >
> > I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
> Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.

We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
Out of term time it varies but mostly 9-5.
But we might have to close for a couple of weeks in july due to holidays.
Don't open at the weekends unless there's an event, we can't leave the lab just open with £250k+ worth of equipment in it.

On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
> >> >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
> >> >> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
> >> >> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
> >> >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
> >> >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > geoff
> >> >> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
> >> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
> >> >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
> >> >> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
> >> >> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
> >> >
> >> > I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
> >> > I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
> >> > having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
> >> > that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
> >> > I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
> >> Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers.
> >> > If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
> >> A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!
> >
> > Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
> > I've never needed to do it.
> Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.
> >> And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?
> >
> > No idea never had one.
> Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.

Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.

> >> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
> >> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
> >> >
> >> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
> >> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
> >> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
> > Most people stand on this planet called earth.
> No, most are on a non-conducting floor,

Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.

> or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
> If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.

Can be but mostly make things safer.

>
> It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.

It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement..

> And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.

Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.

>
> Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.
That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.

>
> You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.

Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.

>They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.

Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.

> >> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.
> >
> > But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
> > Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
> > One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
> > Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
> If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.

But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.

> > But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
> The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.

Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.

> >> > You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
> >> Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.
> >
> > That's why we have earth leakage ones.
> Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).

On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
> All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.

Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
TWE also has a higher sustained current rating and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail..com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
>> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
>> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
>> >> >
>> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
>> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
>> >
>> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
>> > in a particular directionof choice.
>> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
> I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.

If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

>> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
>> >> >
>> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
>> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
>> >
>> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
>> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.
>
> That's not what they are for.

Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

>> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
>> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
>> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
>> >> >
>> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
>> >> You live in a city? Why?
>> >
>> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
>> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.
>
> You mean for those that are to old to live.

Are you a teenager?

>> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
>> >> What weird things to steal!
>> >
>> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
>> Surely just print one?
> I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.

Most people have a printer. And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!

>> > would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
>> They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.
>
> Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.

Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.

>> Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
>> >> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
>> >> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not all, some dye
>> >> Never seen that.
>> >
>> >> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
>> >> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
>> >
>> > Note when it;s done with style.
>> No, because they never look 3D like hairs.
>
> They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style

Religious claptrap.

>> >> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
>> >> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
>> >> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
>> >> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
>> >> >
>> >> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
>> >> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?
>> >
>> > Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
>> I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.
>>
>> Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!
>
> She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.

She'd look amazing without any of that.

> I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.

I don't like her nose.

>> >> Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.
>> >
>> > I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
>> Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.
>
> We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.

This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

> Out of term time it varies but mostly 9-5.
> But we might have to close for a couple of weeks in july due to holidays.
> Don't open at the weekends unless there's an event, we can't leave the lab just open with £250k+ worth of equipment in it.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Thursday, 2 June 2022 at 12:51:21 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 31 May 2022 12:19:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 31 May 2022 at 02:40:40 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Thu, 26 May 2022 09:45:23 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, 24 May 2022 at 22:09:37 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Tue, 17 May 2022 13:07:33 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Monday, 16 May 2022 at 22:23:18 UTC+1, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On 17/05/2022 9:03 am, geoff wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On 17/05/2022 12:41 am, Whisky-dave wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> Depends how big you see this potential, this is probabbly why most
>> >> >> >> >> >> houses don't have enough sockets
>> >> >> >> >> >> and people have to use extention leads of which the vast majority have
>> >> >> >> >> >> 3 extra sockets to use some have more.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > He he he. When I built my house I ensured that a wall-socket (mostly
>> >> >> >> >> > double) was pretty much within two or three steps from anywhere.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > Still need power strips in several 'intense' areas such as AV setup,
>> >> >> >> >> > computer 'suite', and music room.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > geoff
>> >> >> >> >> Sorry, can't find in the thread where somebody was whinging about
>> >> >> >> >> washing machine stating not to run off a power-strip.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > It was me, but not whinging just stating what was in the instructions,
>> >> >> >> > and it was a 9kg load washer dryer.
>> >> >> >> Bollocks, it was my dad's log splitter.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > why would you not use a log splitter on an extention lead then.
>> >> >> No idea, it worked fine. The instructions said not to.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'd expect it to work OK and my washer dryer works fine on an expention lead too.
>> >> > I think most things I have do. My garden strimmer did too but I got a bit fed up with
>> >> > having to mak sure I didn;t fall over the lead or cut it, or get it tangled up
>> >> > that I bought a cheap battery trimmer that does pretty much the same job and now
>> >> > I don't have to keep skipping over a lead or have to worry about the plug coming out of any socket.
>> >> Never had a problem with that. For example cutting a lawn I simply go up and down working gradually away from the socket so the lead trails behind me. Admittedly if you have flowerbeds all over the lawn you need a battery mower to go round them more easily without breaking the flowers.
>> >> > If I bought a log splitter I'd most likely go for a battery one so wouldn't have the lead problem.
>> >> A battery powered 2.5kW motor ROTFPMSL!
>> >
>> > Doubt I'd need such a thing, why are you cutiing up logs anyway.
>> > I've never needed to do it.
>> Old fireplace, they couldn't be bothered getting someone to replace the fire bricks at the back, so put some fire bricks in front of them, so the fireplace is narrower. Some logs come too large, since they get them cheap from from a local guy who fells trees in big estates, and he doesn't do custom sizes.
>> >> And since a log splitter sits in one place, why is a lead a problem?
>> >
>> > No idea never had one.
>> Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.
>
> Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.

Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

>> >> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
>> >> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
>> >> >
>> >> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
>> >> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
>> >> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
>> > Most people stand on this planet called earth.
>> No, most are on a non-conducting floor,
>
> Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
> Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.

Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

>> or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
>> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
>> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
>> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
>> If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.
>
> Can be but mostly make things safer.

I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?

>> It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.
>
> It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.

A lot of American outlets have no switch!

>> And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.
>
> Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.

No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most likely start up again.

>> Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.
> That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.

Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.

>> You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.
>
> Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.

Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

>> They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.
>
> Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.

On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail..afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
> >> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
> >> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
> >> >
> >> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
> >> > in a particular directionof choice.
> >> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
> > I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
> If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.

Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.

> >> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
> >> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
> >> >
> >> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
> >> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.
> >
> > That's not what they are for.
> Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?

Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.

> >> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
> >> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
> >> >> You live in a city? Why?
> >> >
> >> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
> >> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.
> >
> > You mean for those that are to old to live.
> Are you a teenager?

No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.

> >> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
> >> >> What weird things to steal!
> >> >
> >> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
> >> Surely just print one?
> > I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
> Most people have a printer.

I don't , I rarely need one.

And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!
> >> > would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
> >> They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't..
> >
> > Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.
> Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.

Not that I know of, haven;t seen that for years.
Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside

> >> Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> >> >> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
> >> >> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not all, some dye
> >> >> Never seen that.
> >> >
> >> >> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
> >> >> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
> >> >
> >> > Note when it;s done with style.
> >> No, because they never look 3D like hairs.
> >
> > They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
> Religious claptrap.

what has religion got to do with it ?

> >> >> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
> >> >> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
> >> >> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
> >> >> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
> >> >> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?
> >> >
> >> > Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
> >> I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it..
> >>
> >> Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!
> >
> > She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
> She'd look amazing without any of that.

So why does she do it.

> > I prefer the more siouxsie sioux style and her music too.
> I don't like her nose.
> >> >> Why not? Eating doesn't require much brainpower, might aswell get things done at the same time.
> >> >
> >> > I do my own things, students need to learn discipline too. When we are open and when closed.
> >> Most places don't shut for lunch now, even my pharmacist. It's not productive.
> >
> > We don't shut for lunch open from 9-6 term time for labs.
> This whole conversation was about students interrupting your lunchbreak.

On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 04:55:26 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:

> >> Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.
> >
> > Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.
> Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.

I've seen programes ask for such things they pay from £100-£250

> >> >> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
> >> >> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
> >> >> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
> >> >> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
> >> > Most people stand on this planet called earth.
> >> No, most are on a non-conducting floor,
> >
> > Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
> > Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.
> Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.

More than enough to kill, especailly as it'll contain all sorts of salts in bathwater.

> >> or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
> >> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> >> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> >> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
> >> If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.
> >
> > Can be but mostly make things safer.
> I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?
> >> It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.
> >
> > It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.
> A lot of American outlets have no switch!

Some of ours don't in the lab 2 on each desks don't have a switch they have thier own fuse though and a trip.

> >> And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.
> >
> > Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.
> No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most likely start up again.

Most liikely isn't worth the risk.

> >> Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.
> > That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs..
> Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.
> >> You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.
> >
> > Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.
> Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.

doesn't matter after it sold .

> >> They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.
> >
> > Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.
> It is safe if it's kept away from your head.

If,

> >> >> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
> >> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.
> >> >
> >> > But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
> >> > Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
> >> > One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
> >> > Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
> >> If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.
> >
> > But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.
> So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.

How would that of helped.
But at elast he noticed one of our better student, if he;d walked off and left it while he went for a coffeee then what ?

On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
>> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
>> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
>> All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.
>
> Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.

I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

> TWE also has a higher sustained current rating

Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

> and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.

I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.

On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
> >> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
> >> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
> >> All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.
> >
> > Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
> I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.

Different regulations for Different uses.

> > TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
> Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.

Yep that's the idea.

> > and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
> I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.

and what would happen then ?
And over how many years.

>
> The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
>> >> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
>> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
>> >> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
>> >> >
>> >> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
>> >> > in a particular directionof choice.
>> >> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
>> > I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
>> If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.
>
> Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.

They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

>> >> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
>> >> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
>> >> >
>> >> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
>> >> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.
>> >
>> > That's not what they are for.
>> Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?
>
> Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.

WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

> Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.

You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

>> >> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
>> >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
>> >> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
>> >> >> You live in a city? Why?
>> >> >
>> >> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
>> >> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.
>> >
>> > You mean for those that are to old to live.
>> Are you a teenager?
>
> No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.

Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

>> >> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
>> >> >> What weird things to steal!
>> >> >
>> >> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
>> >> Surely just print one?
>> > I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
>> Most people have a printer.
>
> I don't , I rarely need one.

You never need to print a returns label etc?

> And you just note down the number. Worked for my uni parking badge! Those fools though I'd pay to go to work!
>> >> > would have thought a steering wheel would be difficult to remove, maybe there's was something special about it.
>> >> They're very easy to remove, pull off the airbag cover then undo one nut. Maybe it had all the extras on it for stereo control etc and his didn't.
>> >
>> > Yeah or some sports style. People will nick anything if they think they can sell it.
>> Don't they still steal wheels? Used to be common in cities to see cars on bricks.
>
> Not that I know of, haven;t seen that for years.

Maybe the locking wheelnuts.

> Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside

Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too, I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

>> >> Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
>> >> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
>> >> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
>> >> >> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
>> >> >> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Not all, some dye
>> >> >> Never seen that.
>> >> >
>> >> >> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
>> >> >> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
>> >> >
>> >> > Note when it;s done with style.
>> >> No, because they never look 3D like hairs.
>> >
>> > They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
>> Religious claptrap.
>
> what has religion got to do with it ?

That's why they did it in Egypt.

>> >> >> > I've know some to wear coloured cotact
>> >> >> > lenes, one in particular has green cats eye contacts.
>> >> >> Those can be nice. Still don't look quite right though.
>> >> >> >> They look fucking stupid. It's like painting your car a different colour and forgetting one door.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > depends on the effect you want I guess.
>> >> >> Avoiding looking like a fake would be a desire surely?
>> >> >
>> >> > Fake what exactly, I prefer the more creative types when it comes to looks.
>> >> I prefer someone who's naturally good looking without having to add it.
>> >>
>> >> Mmmmm Miley Cyrus!
>> >
>> > She wears quite a bit of makeup and has lots of tattoes that's hardly natrual.
>> She'd look amazing without any of that.
>
> So why does she do it.

On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
>> The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.
>
> Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.

Best to use petrol.

>> >> > You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
>> >> Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.
>> >
>> > That's why we have earth leakage ones.
>> Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).
>
> we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.

Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.

> We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.

Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

>> >> >> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
>> >> >> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
>> >> >> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
>> >> >> >> >> start off with !
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
>> >> >> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
>> >> >> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
>> >> >> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
>> >> >> > that I heard use aluminium.
>> >> >> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.
>> >> >
>> >> > and shit for charging too.
>> >> I don't charge things off my phoneline.
>> >
>> > Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
>> I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.
>
> I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.

They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

>> >> > even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
>> >> > Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
>> >> Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
>> > Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
>> I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.
>
> Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.

Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.

>> >> >> If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
>> >> > If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
>> >> It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.
>> >
>> > I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
>> > unless 'we' take responsibility.
>> I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.
>
> They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.

You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

>> Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.
>
> Some people don't or it takes too long .

I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A supply, buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

> we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.

Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

> Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.

Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

>> >> >> >> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
>> >> >> >> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
>> >> >> >> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
>> >> >> All Americans have the mental age of kids.
>> >> >
>> >> > well most do, not quite all,
>> >> There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.
>> >>
>> >> Japan = IQ 106
>> >> China = IQ 105
>> >> UK = IQ 99
>> >> America = IQ 97
>> >> Gorilla = IQ 80
>> >> Nigerian = IQ 65
>> >>
>> >> Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.
>
>> >> > then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
>> >> > against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
>> >> Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.
>> >
>> > Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
>> > they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
>> > That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
>> Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.
>>
>> Trump survived covid.
> He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.

On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:25:13 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Monday, 13 June 2022 at 04:55:26 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Well I haven't fallen over the lead yet, but I did manage to make it fire half a log out of the machine and whack me on the knee. Hit my funnybone or whatever it is there, so I kicked the machine.
>> >
>> > Pity you don't have a video of it would have made me laugh and maybe you some money.
>> Can't make money from stuff like that. But Russian women shivering, those are 70 Euros a video. More than a box office film.
>
> I've seen programes ask for such things they pay from £100-£250

What programs?

>> >> >> >> > Why are a lot of professional power tolls run on 110V ?
>> >> >> >> Safety from electrocution. They're also usually used through an isolating transformer, to negate the dangers of earth. That's the "safe" earth people attach to all their appliances which is actually fucking dangerous as it completes the circuit.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > that's the idea and it blows the fuse removing the dangerous volts from the case of the device they'll you'll be touching.
>> >> >> > That is alos why most devices are earthed. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it wrong.
>> >> >> A circuit is required to cause current to flow. If there is no earth, you cannot get a shock. You need live plus earth/neutral to get the shock.
>> >> > Most people stand on this planet called earth.
>> >> No, most are on a non-conducting floor,
>> >
>> > Bathroom floors usually contain water even if it's only dripping off you when getting out of the bath.
>> > Wet rooms are getting more common too, called wet, I'm guessing because they get wet.
>> Water doesn't conduct anything like what you think it does.
>
> More than enough to kill,

Only with a weak heart.

> especailly as it'll contain all sorts of salts in bathwater.

What salts?

>> >> or are wearing non conductive shoes. When I were a lad, my friend dared me to touch an electric fence. So I did. Nothing happened, until I touched the ground with my other hand. That was funny, I did a mexican wave.
>> >> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower.. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
>> >> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
>> >> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
>> >> If there was no earth in the cable she also wouldn't have got a shock. Earths can be dangerous.
>> >
>> > Can be but mostly make things safer.
>> I find it useful for computers. The earth to my garage came off, when I touched the chassis of the computers I got a tingle. Induced 80V. The computers were still running but I doubt it was good for them. Maybe they don't care? Things like TVs are not earthed, and I've felt the same tingle when I touched the end of a video lead connected to one. A multimeter showed 80V AC at fuck all current, but isn't that bad for electronics?
>> >> It's not likely to be killed by electricity actually. It's why they call it a "shock". In fact I've heard our 240V is safer than the USA 110V, because you jump more and let go.
>> >
>> > It;'s also to do with the types of switched and the plug/socket arrangement.
>> A lot of American outlets have no switch!
>
> Some of ours don't in the lab 2 on each desks don't have a switch they have thier own fuse though and a trip.

Isn't that fucking inconvenient? Switches are useful. It also prevents a flash (which damages the contacts) when you plug something in.

>> >> And as you've said, she felt tingly, so hardly dangerous.
>> >
>> > Would have been if she'd touched the shower head directly.
>> No, even if you get 240V from one hand to the other, chances are you'll just jump. The heart doesn't stop that easily. There are I think 4 or 5 mechanisms to make it beat regularly. Even if you cramp it up, upon letting go of the power, it will most likely start up again.
>
> Most liikely isn't worth the risk.

Very small risk.

>> >> Those earth leakage breakers are useless, my dad still got a shock with one when he unplugged a lamp and the pins weren't sleeved. Live to neutral, no trip. Same with my neighbour working on lighting that someone else then switched on. He flew off the ladder.
>> > That's another reason UK is safer it;s insulating the pins on the plugs.
>> Do the yanks still not do that?! I just had a look and can't find a single one with sleeves. Fucking hell.
>> >> You can buy Chinese shower head with an exposed heating element in the water.
>> >
>> > Apparently you can buy fake rice that is plastic and it;s cheaper than rice so can be mixed in with real rice.
>> Be funny to watch everyone puking it up. I doubt the digestive system would like it very much.
>
> doesn't matter after it sold .

What they don't realise is Ebay has a money back guarantee.

>> >> They do have a safety device, a bit of earth wire under the element to catch some of the power going through the water. They tell you not to use the shower head less than a feet from the top of your head or you might feel tingly.
>> >
>> > Seems strange they'd tell you if it was safe enough.
>> It is safe if it's kept away from your head.
>
> If,

Well it does tell you to do that in the instructions.

>> >> >> > But remmeber it's the sustained current that kills not the voltage.
>> >> >> Oh you're not one of those are you? Look, your car battery has 300 amps and 12 volts, you can't even feel it. Volts are required to cause the fucking current.
>> >> >
>> >> > But with AC the volts reduce, lots of fires are caused by batteries which can be fatal too.
>> >> > Lots of fires are electrical and these are caused by high currents our last 2 fire alarms were set off because of fires caused by low voltage DC.
>> >> > One of our students projects when working on a drone the battery was onl;y 11.1V but capable of 400 amps. Some how they shorted it out the cable melted and caused the fire alarm to go off.
>> >> > Another happened in another lab working on a small scale felectric car note sure of the details .
>> >> If he was working on it he could sound the alarm.
>> >
>> > But he didn't notice until the smoke started to rise which set the alarm off.
>> So he would have noticed the smoke before the alarm did.
>
> How would that of helped.

He could have put it out or pressed the fire alarm button.

> But at elast he noticed one of our better student, if he;d walked off and left it while he went for a coffeee then what ?

A scorched desk is probably all.

On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
> >> >> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
> >> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
> >> >> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
> >> >> > in a particular directionof choice.
> >> >> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
> >> > I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
> >> If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.
> >
> > Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
> They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.

I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.

> >> >> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
> >> >> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
> >> >> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.
> >> >
> >> > That's not what they are for.
> >> Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?
> >
> > Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
> WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.

Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer

> > Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
> You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.

Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say nthey aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?
Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.
You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.

> >> >> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
> >> >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
> >> >> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
> >> >> >> You live in a city? Why?
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
> >> >> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.
> >> >
> >> > You mean for those that are to old to live.
> >> Are you a teenager?
> >
> > No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
> Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?

Both depending how I feel.
I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.

I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.
Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
Wow what a life.

> >> >> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
> >> >> >> What weird things to steal!
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
> >> >> Surely just print one?
> >> > I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
> >> Most people have a printer.
> >
> > I don't , I rarely need one.
> You never need to print a returns label etc?

No I do it at work.
I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.

> > Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
> Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,

Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.

>I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.

why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
Seems a simple solution to me.

> >> >> Stealing VW badges used to be the in thing.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Seems a newspaper boy was prosecuted for claiming he couldn't go
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> over
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> 16mph on his bicycle!
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Haha! :-D
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> I've done 39mph on my mountain bike, but this was using God's force,
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>>> gravity.
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>> OY! I saw that! You capitalised god! You edited MY sentence!
> >> >> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> >> >>> Just checking to see if you are paying attention to detail! :-D
> >> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> >> I wasn't, but my subconscious notices everything.
> >> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >> > You are nearly as bright as me!
> >> >> >> >> >> [titter] So what bright things have you done in your life?
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > and was she a natural blonde or fake blonde
> >> >> >> >> Easy to spot, they're too thick to dye their eyebrows.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Not all, some dye
> >> >> >> Never seen that.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > some shave and use eyebrow pencil.
> >> >> >> Drawn on eyebrows look ridiculous.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Note when it;s done with style.
> >> >> No, because they never look 3D like hairs.
> >> >
> >> > They aren't meant to, I'm thinking egyptian style
> >> Religious claptrap.
> >
> > what has religion got to do with it ?
> That's why they did it in Egypt.

On Thursday, 16 June 2022 at 07:45:17 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:34:35 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:18:48 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > But EVs typically rub on 400V peolpe managed to site in them without getting electrucuted.
> >> The batteries are sealed just incase you go through a ford and kill all the fish or a dog/person wading across. Pathetic health and softy but I guess it also means you don't bust the car.
> >
> > Best to have such things sealed, some nasty chemicals in them too.
> Best to use petrol.

until it runs out

> >> >> > You're more likely to be killed by holding on to a 110V than from a 230V that breaks a connection via a fuse or breaker.
> >> >> Bullshit, absolute bullshit. The fuse or breaker (assuming you mean a current one, not an earth leakage one) will blow when over 13 amps or whatever flows. That's way more than will go through you as you have a fair bit of resistance, so it will never trip.
> >> >
> >> > That's why we have earth leakage ones.
> >> Those are a pest, they trip when you run a microwave, or turn on several computers at once (filter capacitors).
> >
> > we have them and they aren't a problem but it depends which type I guess.
> Yeah some are stupidly sensitive, not sure what the over the top regs are in unis, but in schools they want them to trip faster than in houses, because magically the kids are more sensitive when they're not at home.
Maybe being smaller kids ahve lower resistance and genallry wetter snd snottier or whatever.

> > We can typically turn on 48 computers all at once. Most are in banks of 12.
> Try actually plugging them in all at once. As in turning them on together with a power strip or three. The filter caps in the PSUs can trip the earth leakage breakers, because well those caps are supposed to conduct a bit to earth!

Bad design, to save money.

> >> >> >> >> >> This is because of extra contact resistance causing heat/burning, and
> >> >> >> >> >> potentially (ha ha) poor grounding/earthing.
> >> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >> They are also of very variable quality and can degenerate (contacts wear
> >> >> >> >> >> or become less tight) with use. Many cheap ones are extremely crappy to
> >> >> >> >> >> start off with !
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> > yes I've noticed that about some really cheap ones. I have a few where even the rocker switch
> >> >> >> >> > doesn;t always swith off the individual socket like it should, but I only use these ones for chargers
> >> >> >> >> > cerainly wouldn't put a heater, kettle or anyhting about about 1kw on it.
> >> >> >> >> I have an expensive professional strip stolen from a network cabinet and the switch died on that. Ok I was running it at 4kW....
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Wonder what made it expensive maybe the cable contained thick copper strands rather than some cheap £1 shop
> >> >> >> > that I heard use aluminium.
> >> >> >> Aluminium was only cheaper for a short time in the long distant past, which is why some phone cables are aluminium, which makes them shit for broadband.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > and shit for charging too.
> >> >> I don't charge things off my phoneline.
> >> >
> >> > Most charge their phones via a USB cable, I do.
> >> I've never had a USB cable that refused to charge my phone.
> >
> > I've had a few, it's the only ones the students leave in the lab, they rarley leave anything decent behind.
> They've probably snapped the conductors inside. Who knows what they get up to when drunk.

Few of our students are drunk, it's not like the olde days of univs.

> >> >> > even thin copper isn't best for charging, the longer the cable the more shitty it usually is unless.
> >> >> > Which is why almost any cable as a lenght limit including mains and USB.
> >> >> Never come across a length prpblem apart from when I connected up my own solar panels. Running 12V from the garage roof to the house was annoying, as I would drop a couple of volts easily.
> >> > Happens in boats t a friend had this problem he couldn't start the engine, he thought he could save money by using old mains cable from the battery to the started motor.
> >> I was told I had to run very thick cable for my 6kW car stereo. My friend fitted a huge capacitor in the boot of his car. I just added a second battery in the back.
> >
> > Different usage those capacitors are to support the high current drawn when the bass kicks in.
>
> Same idea, it allows a huge current draw for a short time, saving you on an enormous cable. Mind you they probably wouldn't power a starter for long enough to get the engine fired up.
> >> >> >> If you want to see cheap, do what I did and buy an 18650 battery charger for 99p including postage from China. The plug actually had PLASTIC pins, PAINTED to conduct! It worked though, until the exceedingly thin wire through a bit of tugging through normal use shorted out. When I plugged it in the other day there was a big flash as the very thin wire evaporated. Oh well it charges batteries ok, I just need to put a wire and plug on it.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Wate money on expensive wire, just use the silver foil from kit-kat wrappers.
> >> >> > If it's good enough for junkies, instead of buying expensive bacofoil......
> >> >> It's amazing the shit people try to sell on Ebay, I just bought a phone protective cover advertised as a full cover for both sides made of silicone (soft, absorbs shock). But no, one side was cheap hard plastic, which he just tried to convince me protected the phone better. I guess he doesn't understand crumple zones. Well guess who's paying for the return postage.
> >> >
> >> > I rarely use ebay for this sort of reason, not worth my time pissing about with it. I thinbk this is why the college doesnt; allow us to use ebay
> >> > unless 'we' take responsibility.
> >> I used Ebay all the time at the school, got everything about a third of the price of the "correct" suppliers. I was collecting a couple of grand a month from petty cash.
> >
> > They won't allow us to use petty cash, everything has to have some for of paper or perhaps PDF trail.
> You need to go to a procurement meeting and point out they're buying from the wrong sources. They tend not to like it when you point out they're receiving back handers from the suppliers.

Well they try to stop it, but when you're boss is the one doing the fiddling .

> >> Who cares if some stuff is shit, you just get your money back.
> >
> > Some people don't or it takes too long .
> I have loads of free stuff from China which is good enough for what I need, but not what they advertised, so they pay me 100% refund, and the postage costs too much to send it back so they just let me keep it. For example, if you want a 12V 4A supply, buy a 12V 8A supply. A Chinese amp is about two normal amps. You can get 4A out of it, but when you tell them it can't do 8, you get it for free.

Not worth the effort and I doubt that would happen if we bought 50 , which was the last large purchases of 5Amp PSU's
China but from a reputable source.

> > we're having problems getting raspberry Pi 4s at the moment.
> Problems getting them at all, or problems getting them at a reasonable price?

Problems getting them , they filter though 1 per customer from some suppliers.

> > Most of the stuff we buy isn't cheaper on ebay anyway.
> Some stuff is, some stuff isn't. I don't understand some sellers, when you subtract what they must pay for postage and Ebay fees, they end up with 50p. So unless they're stealing the goods, that's not a profit.

could be for currency.

> >> >> >> >> > It's also to clear the washing machine manufacture if a fire is caused by the washing machine.
> >> >> >> >> > If you've not followed the instructions then the warrenty can also be void and insurance.
> >> >> >> >> This blame bullshit should have stayed in childish America.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > AS we know they even allow kids to buy guns in america.
> >> >> >> All Americans have the mental age of kids.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > well most do, not quite all,
> >> >> There might be the odd scientist with intelligence, but they're most likely Oriental and not actual Americans.
> >> >>
> >> >> Japan = IQ 106
> >> >> China = IQ 105
> >> >> UK = IQ 99
> >> >> America = IQ 97
> >> >> Gorilla = IQ 80
> >> >> Nigerian = IQ 65
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes, seriously, Gorillas are officially cleverer than Niggers.
> >
> >> >> > then ther;es trump supporters which might be able to win and IQ contest
> >> >> > against the contents of a cat littler tray btu I wouldn't bet on it.
> >> >> Trump supporters are the bright ones. Right wing = common sense, left wing = theives.
> >> >
> >> > Common sense to drink bleach to cure covid, there;s a reason why so many trump supports died of covid
> >> > they believe God would protect them from covid, but they still need to buy guns because obviously God can't protect them.
> >> > That canadians burned the white house, and there were airports in the 17th century.
> >> Anyone who believes in god after covid is a moron.
> >>
> >> Trump survived covid.
> > He needed a dozen doctors and was injected with large amounts of certain drugs that aren't availble to everyone.
> But he's a fat fuck.

On Tue, 14 Jun 2022 09:54:39 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Tuesday, 14 June 2022 at 04:53:42 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 14:40:37 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 21:27:53 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 11:23:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > A friend of mine said she kept feeling tiggly when in the shower. So I went over and found that the boidger had installed the shower
>> >> > using twin and earth and that the Live had shorted to the earth making the shower head live, and the flat wasn;t earthed.
>> >> > She';s lucky she wasn't killed, if it had been earthed the fuse would have blown.
>> >> All showers and everything in houses are fitted using twin and earth. No idea why, flex is easier to work with and within regulations. And safer too, it's not stiff so doesn't snap at the connection, and you don't have that stupid unsleeved earth.
>> >
>> > Some of it's due to how long it will last the type of pastic used for flex insulation persishes quicker than the less flexable used for twin and earth.
>> I doubt it or it wouldn't pass the regulations.
>
> Different regulations for Different uses.

No, you are allowed to use flex for running a ring main for example.

>> > TWE also has a higher sustained current rating
>> Bullshit. Both have varying ratings depending on how thick the conductors are, you buy what's appropriate.
>
> Yep that's the idea.

So your statement is meaningless. TWE does not have a higher current rating. Both types have any current rating.

>> > and I think the TwE insulation is less likely to melt at the temerature that a flex might start to melt at.
>> I doubt it. Try leaving the flex for your table lamp against a hot central heating radiator.
>
> and what would happen then ?
> And over how many years.

Here is TWE being overloaded:
https://youtu.be/bBYHtBPbBJE?t=363
Notice he says it's rated to 70C, about the temperature of a central heating radiator, which flex is fine leaning against.
Continue watching, or fastforward, to see it catastrophically fail.
Apologies for the Queen's English.

>> The reason flex is flexible isn't a different insulation, the same stuff could be used, it's because the conductors are thick instead of many fine strands.
> The thinkness of the insulation also has an effect.

It's similar thickness. The copper is what stiffens it. In fact if you strip some of it the insulation is quite flexible, while the copper remains stiff.

On Thu, 16 Jun 2022 13:53:27 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisky.dave@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Wednesday, 15 June 2022 at 09:19:30 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> On Mon, 13 Jun 2022 13:10:25 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > On Saturday, 11 June 2022 at 01:59:32 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> On Thu, 09 Jun 2022 13:38:40 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > On Tuesday, 7 June 2022 at 19:42:10 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 06 Jun 2022 10:49:44 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, 1 June 2022 at 04:29:38 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 16 May 2022 14:49:43 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> > On Friday, 13 May 2022 at 02:05:22 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Thu, 05 May 2022 14:01:01 +0100, Whisky-dave <whisk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> > On Thursday, 5 May 2022 at 12:24:55 UTC+1, Commander Kinsey wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >> On Wed, 04 May 2022 23:16:42 +0100, David Brooks <D...@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> >> > You really are nuts!
>> >> >> >> >> >> What do you use your handbrake for? It really does serve no purpose.
>> >> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> > I thought it's main use was for when you park on a hill.
>> >> >> >> >> It would have to be a fucking steep hill,
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > we even have some of those in London, thought you'd have some in scotland too.
>> >> >> >> Not often I park on them. Can always turn the wheel to the kerb, instead of relying on a brake which is operated by something very similar to a bicycle brake cable!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Seems to work for most people I didn;t think turning the steering wheel would stop a car moving I thought that was how you made it go
>> >> >> > in a particular directionof choice.
>> >> >> It stops it when the wheels rest against the kerb obviously, everyone knows that.
>> >> > I guess all the roads you stop on have kerbs, even I;'ve had to stop on a hill where there was no kerb at that's in London.
>> >> If there's no kerb, there's usually something uneven about it. Anyway you only need that on a steep hill. Putting it in gear should normally be enough.
>> >
>> > Strange thatcars still have handbrakes if they are not needed.
>> They are if you live in a steep area, or are too thick to be able to do a hill start with the footbrake.
>
> I thought cars could be used for traveling around and even visiting places you don't live.
> Been strange to see a car without a handbrake and there's a warning sticker saying not to be driven to places where you don't live or where there are steep hills.
> I know F1 cars dont; have them but it;s not exactly a large market for such cars.

It needs to be a very steep hill to need the handbrake. I've only ever encountered two.

>> >> >> >> >> I just use the gears or turn the wheels into the kerb. I did once park on a steep hill without turning the wheels to the kerb. A passerby shouted to me "your car is dancing!" It was trying to start the engine and jumping back a few inches at a time in gear.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > I wonder how Electric cars get around this, as I didn;t think they had gears in the same way.
>> >> >> >> Shorted motor? Or the same as an automatic petrol car, a bolt through the gearbox.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > why would an electric car have a gear box ?
>> >> >> It could go through something else. And sports one sometimes do, but usually not as it's hard to make one that can take that much power.
>> >> >
>> >> > That's not what they are for.
>> >> Not what what are for? Gearboxes or stopping pins?
>> >
>> > Hand brakes aren't for power stopping.
>> WTf do you mean "power" stopping. I'm talking about preventing movement when parked.
>
> Yes that was what they are for but yuo seem to think they aren;t needed beacuse you can use steering of just not stoping on slopes is the answer

If it's a town road with a kerb, then yes you can use the kerb like a chock.

>> > Youy don;t use the handbrake for an emergency stop.
>> You do when the footbrake fails. I had a car for 6 months with zero footbrakes, I used gears and the handbrake to come to a stop.
>
> Lucky they yuo had a handbrake in yuor world you say nthey aren;t needed so how would you have stopped the car ?

I would have fixed one of foot/handbrake.

> Oh yes using stearing to the kerb of driving up steep hills to slow down.

Why would I need to slow down when going uphill?

> You sound like something from a Mr Bean sketch.

I must give you a lift sometime, you'll be grabbing things for dear life. I once gave a lift to three colleagues. The one in the front seat found it amusing when I went more than double the speed limit over speedbumps, causing the women in the back to bash their heads off the roof.

>> >> >> >> >> > Or tan attempt to make yuor car difficult to be stolen or moved
>> >> >> >> >> > without the drivers or owners permission.
>> >> >> >> >> Handbrakes are very weak, that wouldn't stop anyone. You just put the car onto a tow truck anyway.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > Little chance of getting a tow truck for such a thing near me, cars parked to close together.
>> >> >> >> You live in a city? Why?
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Same reason most people do, can't really imagine living out in the sticks what do people do all day and night.
>> >> >> Drove 10 miles to what you do. Or not do nightclubs that are for teenagers.
>> >> >
>> >> > You mean for those that are to old to live.
>> >> Are you a teenager?
>> >
>> > No, do you think only teenages go to nightclubs.
>> Yes, and those who never grew up. Which are you?
>
> Both depending how I feel.
> I'm not ready for teh local retirement home, not even ready to book my place as you obviously are.

I can be a childish arsehole too, but not with social shit like nightclubs.

> I guess if Miley Cyrus asked you to go to a nightclub you'd say no because you're both too old.

I'd prefer to go somewhere more quiet with her. You can't exactly fuck someone in the middle of a nightclub.

> Have a nice cup of tea and an iced bun and share a bag or werthers originals.
> Wow what a life.

I'm the exact opposite of that.

>> >> >> >> > Last two breakins of cars near me where 2 BMWs one had it's steering wheel stolen and the other had the disabled parking badge stolen.
>> >> >> >> What weird things to steal!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I can understand the parking badge quick and easy, and there's a market for them apparently.
>> >> >> Surely just print one?
>> >> > I thought they had some sort of ID or serial number, anyway doubt the person that stole it had a printer.
>> >> Most people have a printer.
>> >
>> > I don't , I rarely need one.
>> You never need to print a returns label etc?
>
> No I do it at work.
> I've only had to do that once in teh last 10 years too.
> I aviod buying faulty or crap stuff that needs sending back.

Then you waste money.

And don't you ever sell anything?

>> > Most thefts seems to be amazon boxes left outside
>> Why do Amazon do that? Hermes do too,
>
> Because the people aren't in seems a reasonable reason.

One left a package the other day, he knocked then placed it on the doorstep. Ok, my car was in the driveway, but is that a guarantee I'm in?

And why the fuck can't they use the doorbell?! A banging noise could be anything.

>> I found a parcel at my front door that had been in the rain for hours.
>
> why not make a box leave it with an unlocked padlock and tell anyone to leave the pacels in and lock it.
> Seems a simple solution to me.

I have a shed with CCTV. And a notice saying to put things in it. Half of them can't be arsed. They want to do their round as fast as possible.