"Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"

According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
"Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."

See more extracts from the report at:
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911

Andre Jute
I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.

On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>
> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>
> See more extracts from the report at:
> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>
> Andre Jute
> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>

Well, yes. Duh.
Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197

We're only in the early stages of this.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:18:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >
> > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >
> > See more extracts from the report at:
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >
> Well, yes. Duh.
> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
>
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
>
> We're only in the early stages of this.

The Democrats are in a panic. They know that if they try the election fraud that brought them to the Joe Biden White House that they are likely to be caught and it will be wide spread civil war with them the victims hanging from every tree in the forests.

So they HAVE to somehow limit the Republican/conservatives between now and Nov and what better way than to pen them up and they "accidentally" introduce a deadly disease they can CALL covid-19 variant?

This is why I have attempted to show everyone that covid-19 is far less dangerous than the common seasonal flu. They HAD to put fearful names on it such a covid-19 rather than influenza in order to get people to fear it. Certainly the communists here - flunkmeister, Frank, Russell, John etc. are way past willing to have the government kill Americans for them.

And why do you suppose this is? Communism has been the bane of the world since Marx and Lenin. It made Hitler's treatment of the Jews look harmless with murders on a global scale in the tens of millions. Clearly Frank and Russell believe that their educations should have given them far higher positions than their abilities and work ethic gave them. So of course killing more of the common man while believing that they are killing their positional superiors seems like a fine idea to encompass.

But they won't put themselves in personal danger and in that is the problem that the Democrats WILL be out of power after November. So they better get their licks in now.

Does anyone think that this is going to work?

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >
> > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >
> > See more extracts from the report at:
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >
> Well, yes. Duh.
> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
>
> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
>
> We're only in the early stages of this.
>
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
>
How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
>
That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
>
On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
>
Andre Jute
(1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:36:35 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:18:55 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > >
> > > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > >
> > > See more extracts from the report at:
> > > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > >
> > > Andre Jute
> > > I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > >
> > Well, yes. Duh.
> > Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
> >
> > https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
> >
> > We're only in the early stages of this.
> The Democrats are in a panic. They know that if they try the election fraud that brought them to the Joe Biden White House that they are likely to be caught and it will be wide spread civil war with them the victims hanging from every tree in the forests.
>
> So they HAVE to somehow limit the Republican/conservatives between now and Nov and what better way than to pen them up and they "accidentally" introduce a deadly disease they can CALL covid-19 variant?
>
> This is why I have attempted to show everyone that covid-19 is far less dangerous than the common seasonal flu. They HAD to put fearful names on it such a covid-19 rather than influenza in order to get people to fear it. Certainly the communists here - flunkmeister, Frank, Russell, John etc. are way past willing to have the government kill Americans for them.
>
> And why do you suppose this is? Communism has been the bane of the world since Marx and Lenin. It made Hitler's treatment of the Jews look harmless with murders on a global scale in the tens of millions. Clearly Frank and Russell believe that their educations should have given them far higher positions than their abilities and work ethic gave them. So of course killing more of the common man while believing that they are killing their positional superiors seems like a fine idea to encompass.
>
> But they won't put themselves in personal danger and in that is the problem that the Democrats WILL be out of power after November. So they better get their licks in now.
>
> Does anyone think that this is going to work?
>
Hitler was a piker compared to Joe Stalin, who killed 3.5m peasants by starvation and before the rifles of the prototryads (ad hoc firing squads) in just one of his killing sprees, who saved ammunition and tanks by clearing German minefield by have unarmed Soviet soldiers march through them, etc. Stalin's death toll is difficult to calculate with precision because he didn't keep such good records as the Germans, but 50 or 60 would be a good ballpark, but Mao Tse Tung overshadows Stalin by a factor of at least two or three to one, and some other fanatics, though working on a smaller scale, have made notable entries in the book of genocides, like Pol Pot who killed about 8m, and Ho Chi Minh, whose total the RBT midget will look up for us, together with the precise figures for the others I've pulled out of my memory.
>
But the top killer of women and children and other defenseless innocents aren't these cruel barbarians from the East, it is American environmentalists who, to prove their political muscle, banned harmless DDT on the known lie that it caused cancer, and thereby have killed, the last I counted perhaps a decade ago, 220m of the poorest and hungriest women and children on earth. Rachel Carson, who first told the lie about DDT, is truly the patron saint of the genocides.
>
Andre Jute
No one is as immoral as a left-winger in the grasp of a political passion.

On 1/16/2022 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
>>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>>>
>>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
>>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>>>
>>> See more extracts from the report at:
>>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>>>
>>> Andre Jute
>>> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
>>>
>> Well, yes. Duh.
>> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
>>
>> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
>>
>> We're only in the early stages of this.
>>
>> --
>> Andrew Muzi
>> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
>> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>>
> Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
>>
> How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
>>
> That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
>>
> On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
>>
> Andre Jute
> (1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.
>

Speaking of lucrative opportunities, I hear the Bolsheviks
are looking for a rope vendor. Again.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 7:45:46 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >>>
> >>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> >>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >>>
> >>> See more extracts from the report at:
> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >>>
> >> Well, yes. Duh.
> >> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
> >>
> >> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
> >>
> >> We're only in the early stages of this.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>
> > Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
> >>
> > How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
> >>
> > That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
> >>
> > On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
> >>
> > Andre Jute
> > (1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.
> >
> Speaking of lucrative opportunities, I hear the Bolsheviks
> are looking for a rope vendor. Again.
> --
> Andrew Muzi
> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
>
Thanks for the tip, Andrew, but helping the wrong people merely because they're willing to pay has never struck me as a plan with a future. -- AJ

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:45:46 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> >>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >>>
> >>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> >>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >>>
> >>> See more extracts from the report at:
> >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >>>
> >>> Andre Jute
> >>> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> >>>
> >> Well, yes. Duh.
> >> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
> >>
> >> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
> >>
> >> We're only in the early stages of this.
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andrew Muzi
> >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> >>
> > Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
> >>
> > How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
> >>
> > That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
> >>
> > On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
> >>
> > Andre Jute
> > (1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.
> >
> Speaking of lucrative opportunities, I hear the Bolsheviks
> are looking for a rope vendor. Again.

Sounds like a lucrative position for flunkmeister.

On 1/16/2022 11:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

It would be really bad if what Andre posted was actually true.
Fortunately, like most of what he posts, it isn't true.

First hint that it's not true is "townhall.com" which has zero credibility.

Second hint is to use Snopes, Politifact or any of the other fact
checking sites.
<https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/13/ron-johnson/johnson-falsely-says-unvaccinated-people-around-wo/>

Third hint is that Andre Jute posted it!

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:25:18 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:45:46 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/16/2022 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> > >> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > >>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > >>>
> > >>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > >>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > >>>
> > >>> See more extracts from the report at:
> > >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > >>>
> > >>> Andre Jute
> > >>> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > >>>
> > >> Well, yes. Duh.
> > >> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
> > >>
> > >> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
> > >>
> > >> We're only in the early stages of this.
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Andrew Muzi
> > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > >>
> > > Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
> > >>
> > > How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
> > >>
> > > That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
> > >>
> > > On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
> > >>
> > > Andre Jute
> > > (1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.
> > >
> > Speaking of lucrative opportunities, I hear the Bolsheviks
> > are looking for a rope vendor. Again.
> Sounds like a lucrative position for flunkmeister.
>
Flunky would beg the Bolshies on his knees to take the rope free of charge if they'd just let him hang a few people. He's permanent scum. The upside is that, as soon as the Bolshies discover that Flunky is permanently disgruntled too, because he can't keep his mouth shut, he'll be on the swinging end of the rope he gave them. --- AJ

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:14:49 PM UTC, sms wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 11:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> It would be really bad if what Andre posted was actually true.
>
Oh, it's true, according to Rasmussen, who oversaw the research. I added zero information, just retiled information from a perfectly respectable source.
>
> Fortunately, like most of what he posts, it isn't true.
>
It may not be received truth to a hick Democrat pol who lies as easily as he breathes, but to rational, thinking people, what Rasmussen discovered about the growing fascism of the Democrat Party under Biden is only too literally true.
>
> First hint that it's not true is "townhall.com" which has zero credibility.
>
Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original at
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated
>
> Second hint is to use Snopes, Politifact or any of the other fact
> checking sites.
> <https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/13/ron-johnson/johnson-falsely-says-unvaccinated-people-around-wo/>
>
You're blowing smoke because you don't have a case, Scharfie. I said nothing about Ron Johnson. I don't even know who he is. And when Politifact gets something right, I'll turn into a monkey with a curly tail. You're dragging in an irrelevance because you're an idiot who always goes further than the facts and then have to depend on your Schmarmie Scarfie manner to save your slack ass.
>
> Third hint is that Andre Jute posted it!
>
When you don't have a foot stand on, and know you can't stand up against someone in debate, issue a generic condemnation of that person. You're despicable, Scharfie, but that isn't news any more.
>
Rasmussen asked Democrats about the unvaccinated, and discovered 45% of Democrats want to lock the unvaccinated up in concentration camps. Go argue with Rasmussen, Scharfie, and see if you have any more luck with them than with me.
>
Andre Jute
Every time I stroke Scharfie because he squirms so prettily to be loved, like an unmannered pup he pisses on me.

>
And it isn't just the rank and file Democrats tending totalitarian, it's their elite spokesmen as well, here trying to jolly Utah Governor Spencer Cox into deploying the National Guard to barricade unvaccinated citizens inside their homes:
>
***
"Were Utah a truly civilized place, the governor’s next move would be to find a way to mandate the kind of mass vaccination campaign we should have launched a year ago, going as far as to deploy the National Guard to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere." -- Editorial Board of The Salt Lake Tribune, January 15, 2022
***
>
Hey, but Scharfie claims it's not true a large part of the active Democrat Party are tending totalitarian.
>
Andre Jute
On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:49:28 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
>
> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
>
> See more extracts from the report at:
> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
>
> Andre Jute
> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.

On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:14:49 PM UTC-8, sms wrote:
> On 1/16/2022 11:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> It would be really bad if what Andre posted was actually true.
> Fortunately, like most of what he posts, it isn't true.
>
> First hint that it's not true is "townhall.com" which has zero credibility.
>
> Second hint is to use Snopes, Politifact or any of the other fact
> checking sites.
> <https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/13/ron-johnson/johnson-falsely-says-unvaccinated-people-around-wo/>
>
> Third hint is that Andre Jute posted it!

Scharf believes that you get the true information from communist sources. All of those so-far-left-that-they-make-Joe-Stalin-seem-conservative each and everyone upheld the Donald Trump pee-pee hoax. And Scharf cannot understand why he can't get any votes except from people he promises free access to city coffers.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:49:52 AM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> >
> And it isn't just the rank and file Democrats tending totalitarian, it's their elite spokesmen as well, here trying to jolly Utah Governor Spencer Cox into deploying the National Guard to barricade unvaccinated citizens inside their homes:
> >
> ***
> "Were Utah a truly civilized place, the governor’s next move would be to find a way to mandate the kind of mass vaccination campaign we should have launched a year ago, going as far as to deploy the National Guard to ensure that people without proof of vaccination would not be allowed, well, anywhere." -- Editorial Board of The Salt Lake Tribune, January 15, 2022
> ***
> >
> Hey, but Scharfie claims it's not true a large part of the active Democrat Party are tending totalitarian.
> >
> Andre Jute
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 2:49:28 PM UTC, Andre Jute wrote:
> > "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> >
> > According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >
> > See more extracts from the report at:
> > https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> >
> > Andre Jute
> > I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.

The part that fills me with disgust is that I've shown everyone that only 6,525 people MAY have died from covid-19 since 2/1/2020 which is below the 2015-2019 average and everyone left and right is willing to play along with this sham. It appears to me that everyone want to use this as an excuse to gain and retain power over the populace. Hopefully they will wake up and start hanging people like Scharf and flunkmeister and ALL of the Slime Stream Media. You have a right to free speech until you advocate violence against those who you do not agree with and that is the ENTIRE BIDEN administration and most Democrat run states. We have an entire group here who would applaud concentration camps for all Republicans

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:52:36 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
<fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original at
>https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated
(...)
>Rasmussen asked Democrats about the unvaccinated, and discovered 45% of Democrats want to lock the unvaccinated up in concentration camps. Go argue with Rasmussen, Scharfie, and see if you have any more luck with them than with me.

May I humbly suggest you dig a little deeper. Rasmussen Reports
conducted the survey. Heartland Institute "worked with" Rasmussen to
make sure that the money they paid Rasmussen produced the desired
result.
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute>
<https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute>
They managed to find 1016 "likely voters" who were willing to answer
that question. There's no indication of how many "likely voters" were
contacted in order to obtain those 1016 replies to their survey.
<https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
It's quite difficult for me to guess where Rasmussen Reports obtain
their name list. Townhall offers a clue:
"The survey consisted of both telephone and online
polling of 1,016 likely voters..."
I can see why they might only get the usual 1% response rate for
telephone. Online should have been somewhat better. Still 1016
replies is tiny.

Here are the questions asked:
<https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
The applicable question was:
Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose
or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the spread of the
coronavirus by having federal or state governments require
that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times,
except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19
vaccine?

That's quite different from the:
"Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor
governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in
designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get
a COVID-19 vaccine."
found in the TownHaul article at:
<https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
So, why the change? Possibly some tweaks made to the report by the
Heartland Institute? I don't have any clues or evidence as to what
happened, but I do know that survey results don't change by
themselves.

Note that the survey question asks
"Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat
oppose or strongly oppose..."
Ok, that's 4 choices that can be made. Yet the survey results only
provides two choices; in favor or oppose. Kinda sounds like the
survey just lumped together strongly and somewhat:
strongly favor + somewhat favor = favor
and
somewhat oppose + strongly oppose = oppose
Depending on the distribution, lumping the results together like that
can easily sway the numbers to look like half the Democrats surveyed
were fanatics, either pro or con. In any case, the conclusion(s) in
the Townhaul article do not resemble the questions asked.

Hint: If you're not quite sure of the results or conclusions, just
dig a little and find out who's paying the bills. While Townhall may
not have coerced Rasmussen directly into fudging the result, it's in
Rasmussen's best interests to produce the results that Townhall
expected causing Rasmussen to tweak the results to whatever it takes
to get the next survey contract from Townhall.

I'm very suspicious of surveys and studies where the raw data is not
made available for inspection. That's usually an indication that
there has been some tampering to accomodate an agenda, such as
disqualifying survey results that are not aligned with the desired
result.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:02:40 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:52:36 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
><fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original at
>>https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated
>(...)
>>Rasmussen asked Democrats about the unvaccinated, and discovered 45% of Democrats want to lock the unvaccinated up in concentration camps. Go argue with Rasmussen, Scharfie, and see if you have any more luck with them than with me.
>
>May I humbly suggest you dig a little deeper. Rasmussen Reports
>conducted the survey. Heartland Institute "worked with" Rasmussen to
>make sure that the money they paid Rasmussen produced the desired
>result.
><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute>
><https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute>
>They managed to find 1016 "likely voters" who were willing to answer
>that question. There's no indication of how many "likely voters" were
>contacted in order to obtain those 1016 replies to their survey.
><https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
>It's quite difficult for me to guess where Rasmussen Reports obtain
>their name list. Townhall offers a clue:
> "The survey consisted of both telephone and online
> polling of 1,016 likely voters..."
>I can see why they might only get the usual 1% response rate for
>telephone. Online should have been somewhat better. Still 1016
>replies is tiny.
>
>Here are the questions asked:
><https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
>The applicable question was:
> Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose
> or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the spread of the
> coronavirus by having federal or state governments require
> that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times,
> except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19
> vaccine?
>
>That's quite different from the:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor
> governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in
> designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get
> a COVID-19 vaccine."
>found in the TownHaul article at:
><https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
>So, why the change? Possibly some tweaks made to the report by the
>Heartland Institute? I don't have any clues or evidence as to what
>happened, but I do know that survey results don't change by
>themselves.
>
>Note that the survey question asks
> "Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat
> oppose or strongly oppose..."
>Ok, that's 4 choices that can be made. Yet the survey results only
>provides two choices; in favor or oppose. Kinda sounds like the
>survey just lumped together strongly and somewhat:
> strongly favor + somewhat favor = favor
>and
> somewhat oppose + strongly oppose = oppose
>Depending on the distribution, lumping the results together like that
>can easily sway the numbers to look like half the Democrats surveyed
>were fanatics, either pro or con. In any case, the conclusion(s) in
>the Townhaul article do not resemble the questions asked.
>
>Hint: If you're not quite sure of the results or conclusions, just
>dig a little and find out who's paying the bills. While Townhall may
>not have coerced Rasmussen directly into fudging the result, it's in
>Rasmussen's best interests to produce the results that Townhall
>expected causing Rasmussen to tweak the results to whatever it takes
>to get the next survey contract from Townhall.
>
>I'm very suspicious of surveys and studies where the raw data is not
>made available for inspection. That's usually an indication that
>there has been some tampering to accomodate an agenda, such as
>disqualifying survey results that are not aligned with the desired
>result.

I had a good friend who made a business of market surveys in Thailand
mainly for various businesses that were looking into expanding, or
instituting a new service, and he told me once that he could design a
survey to "prove" anything that you wanted. From memory, he said
something like, "tell me what you want and I'll make a survey to prove
it".

For what's it's worth, he explained that it isn't the question, per
se, but rather how the question is worded that is the give away.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:02:40 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>Here are the questions asked:
><https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
>The applicable question was:
> Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose
> or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the spread of the
> coronavirus by having federal or state governments require
> that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times,
> except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19
> vaccine?
>
>That's quite different from the:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor
> governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in
> designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get
> a COVID-19 vaccine."
>found in the TownHaul article at:
><https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
>So, why the change? Possibly some tweaks made to the report by the
>Heartland Institute? I don't have any clues or evidence as to what
>happened, but I do know that survey results don't change by
>themselves.

Oops. I goofed and missed the applicable question. From the survey
contents at:
<https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat
oppose or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the
spread of the coronavirus by having federal or state
governments require that citizens temporarily live
in designated facilities or locations if they refuse
to get a COVID-19 vaccine?

This is exactly the same as the Townhall article. Therefore, the
questions didn't change. My apologies for the screwup. However, the
rest of my comments, on the small population and the lumping of
responses in small categories, are still valid.

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 5:02:49 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 03:52:36 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiul...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original at
> >https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated
> (...)
> >Rasmussen asked Democrats about the unvaccinated, and discovered 45% of Democrats want to lock the unvaccinated up in concentration camps. Go argue with Rasmussen, Scharfie, and see if you have any more luck with them than with me.
> May I humbly suggest you dig a little deeper. Rasmussen Reports
> conducted the survey. Heartland Institute "worked with" Rasmussen to
> make sure that the money they paid Rasmussen produced the desired
> result.
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartland_Institute>
> <https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Heartland_Institute>
> They managed to find 1016 "likely voters" who were willing to answer
> that question. There's no indication of how many "likely voters" were
> contacted in order to obtain those 1016 replies to their survey.
> <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
> It's quite difficult for me to guess where Rasmussen Reports obtain
> their name list. Townhall offers a clue:
> "The survey consisted of both telephone and online
> polling of 1,016 likely voters..."
> I can see why they might only get the usual 1% response rate for
> telephone. Online should have been somewhat better. Still 1016
> replies is tiny.
>
Bullshit. A 1000 replies in a rolling social study is not only more than sufficient if the sample is correctly structured, it is generous. Do you understand that a 100% legitimate sample of the entire US population is just over 3000? You should stick to what you know, Jeff. Schmarmie Scharfie isn't replying because he knows Rasmussen is right.
>
> Here are the questions asked:
> <https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
> The applicable question was:
> Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose
> or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the spread of the
> coronavirus by having federal or state governments require
> that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times,
> except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19
> vaccine?
>
> That's quite different from the:
> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor
> governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in
> designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get
> a COVID-19 vaccine."
> found in the TownHaul article at:
> <https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
> So, why the change?
>
What change? I don't see any change. You haven't read carefully enough. "May I humbly suggest you dig a little deeper." Christ, you're one to talk.
>
>Possibly some tweaks made to the report by the
> Heartland Institute? I don't have any clues or evidence as to what
> happened, but I do know that survey results don't change by
> themselves.
>
Nah, you're just stirring the pot, hoping something will float to the surface, or give the other monkeys an edge to claw onto.
>
> Note that the survey question asks
> "Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat
> oppose or strongly oppose..."
> Ok, that's 4 choices that can be made. Yet the survey results only
> provides two choices; in favor or oppose. Kinda sounds like the
> survey just lumped together strongly and somewhat:
> strongly favor + somewhat favor = favor
> and
> somewhat oppose + strongly oppose = oppose
> Depending on the distribution, lumping the results together like that
> can easily sway the numbers to look like half the Democrats surveyed
> were fanatics, either pro or con. In any case, the conclusion(s) in
> the Townhaul article do not resemble the questions asked.
>
So what? It's standard practice in executive summaries to lump categories together. If you want a finer division, offer to pay Rasmussen to do the research over with a sample of 3000 plus and as many fine categories as you want. It'll cost you a million or three and I'll come giggle at your results adding up to the same as Rasmussen reported the first time.
>
> Hint: If you're not quite sure of the results or conclusions, just
> dig a little and find out who's paying the bills. While Townhall may
> not have coerced Rasmussen directly into fudging the result, it's in
> Rasmussen's best interests to produce the results that Townhall
> expected causing Rasmussen to tweak the results to whatever it takes
> to get the next survey contract from Townhall.
>
Is this omnidirectional spraying of conspiracy theories supposed to be an argument? It's crap. Save it for the likeminded RBT monkeys. A research firm that wants to survive doesn't fudge numbers, sport.
>
> I'm very suspicious of surveys and studies where the raw data is not
> made available for inspection. That's usually an indication that
> there has been some tampering to accomodate an agenda, such as
> disqualifying survey results that are not aligned with the desired
> result.
>
Same answer as above. Offer to pay for a survey, and you can inspect the questions up front (and watch the researcher stalk out when you try to massage the questions too obviously), try to massage the sample (ditto), try to group unlikely categories together (ditto).
>
Like I said above, stick to what you know.
>
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
You shoulda let Scharmie Scharfie hoe his own row, Jeff.
>
Andre Jute
Statistics are easy to do right, but very difficult to cook without being caught out.

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 6:04:58 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Jan 2022 21:02:40 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >Here are the questions asked:
> ><https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
> >The applicable question was:
> > Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat oppose
> > or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the spread of the
> > coronavirus by having federal or state governments require
> > that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times,
> > except for emergencies, if they refuse to get a COVID-19
> > vaccine?
> >
> >That's quite different from the:
> > "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor
> > governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in
> > designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get
> > a COVID-19 vaccine."
> >found in the TownHaul article at:
> ><https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911>
> >So, why the change? Possibly some tweaks made to the report by the
> >Heartland Institute? I don't have any clues or evidence as to what
> >happened, but I do know that survey results don't change by
> >themselves.
> Oops. I goofed and missed the applicable question. From the survey
> contents at:
> <https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/questions_heartland_covid_january_5_2022>
> Would you strongly favor, somewhat favor, somewhat
> oppose or strongly oppose a proposal to limit the
> spread of the coronavirus by having federal or state
> governments require that citizens temporarily live
> in designated facilities or locations if they refuse
> to get a COVID-19 vaccine?
>
> This is exactly the same as the Townhall article. Therefore, the
> questions didn't change. My apologies for the screwup. However, the
> rest of my comments, on the small population and the lumping of
> responses in small categories, are still valid.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
Duh. You're wasting my time, man. You now owe me an hour of electronics advice, about which you clearly know more than I do, even if you have to look up what I need to know.
>
Any time you want to know something about opinion and other social research, feel free to ask me.
>
Andre Jute
Things not dreamed of in thy firmament, Horatio -- what Shakespeare shoulda said.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 5:41:59 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 9:25:18 PM UTC, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:45:46 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 1/16/2022 12:47 PM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 3:18:55 PM UTC, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >> On 1/16/2022 8:49 AM, Andre Jute wrote:
> > > >>> "Poll Reveals Astonishing Percentage Of Democrats Support Unparalleled Covid Tyranny For Unvaccinated"
> > > >>>
> > > >>> According to the respected pollster Rasmussen:
> > > >>> "Forty-five percent (45%) of Democrats would favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine."
> > > >>>
> > > >>> See more extracts from the report at:
> > > >>> https://townhall.com/tipsheet/scottmorefield/2022/01/15/rasmussen-poll-reveals-astonishing-percentage-of-democrats-support-unparalleled-covid-tyranny-for-the-unvaccinated-n2601911
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Andre Jute
> > > >>> I was born in South Africa, where the British invented the Concentration Camp. I'm therefore familiar with the deep, generations-long societal scars such a policy would create.
> > > >>>
> > > >> Well, yes. Duh.
> > > >> Unfortunately most of that iceberg is under the water line:
> > > >>
> > > >> https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/the-great-reset-glenn-beck/1140278197
> > > >>
> > > >> We're only in the early stages of this.
> > > >>
> > > >> --
> > > >> Andrew Muzi
> > > >> <www.yellowjersey.org/>
> > > >> Open every day since 1 April, 1971
> > > >>
> > > > Well, yes, while we heard this dangerous nonsense about concentration camps explicitly only from Scharfie, who quivers like a puppy dog to be loved so he piss on you the moment you pick him up and stroke him, and who's always mouthing off something outrageous, I thought it was only a troll, Scharfie stirring up the RBT purselips.
> > > >>
> > > > How people who claim to be superior because of their education can contemplate anything so dumb and, as Tom points out, sure to be dangerous to themselves, is entirely beyond me, and, as y'all know by now, it isn't often my imagination fails me.
> > > >>
> > > > That such self-lacerating stupidity could become "Duh" is in itself a disturbing sign about how far advanced a probably irreparable split in American society is.
> > > >>
> > > > On the upside, as an authority on insurrections (1) it looks like I'll be able to make a buck as a consultant when American society implodes.
> > > >>
> > > > Andre Jute
> > > > (1)That's one of the reasons the apartheid regime twice sent assassins after me, that they claimed a pseudonymous novel I wrote was a "handbook for the terrorists of the ANC", to which "it's a novel, morons" was no answer the trigger-fingers would accept since the book was used as a prescribed text in courses taught at Exeter University by Major-General Richard Clutterbuck to senior frontline army and police officers and policy-level civil servants.
> > > >
> > > Speaking of lucrative opportunities, I hear the Bolsheviks
> > > are looking for a rope vendor. Again.
> > Sounds like a lucrative position for flunkmeister.
> >
> Flunky would beg the Bolshies on his knees to take the rope free of charge if they'd just let him hang a few people.

Funny you talking about others being on their knees when every post of yours is blatant worship at tommys feet. I've never kissed a ring, andre, but you kiss tommy's ring with every post, and I don't mean the one on his finger.

> He's permanent scum.

Says the lying piece of shit trying to lead us from:
federal or state governments require that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times > 45% favor governments requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations > 45% of Democrats want Concentration Camps for Unvaccinated

> The upside is that, as soon as the Bolshies discover that Flunky is permanently disgruntled too, because he can't keep his mouth shut, he'll be on the swinging end of the rope he gave them.

We give deceitful little shits like you and tommy enough rope to hang yourselves, and you do it every time with no help from anyone but each other. Any irony meters that some how survived your last claims of tommy being a victim have succumbed to _you_ - of all people - complaining that some else can't keep their mouth shut.

AJ proving once again that his life serves no purpose, and has no value, if not trolling a cycling newsgroup with off topic lies.

On Monday, January 17, 2022 at 6:52:38 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Sunday, January 16, 2022 at 11:14:49 PM UTC, sms wrote:
> > On 1/16/2022 11:45 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > It would be really bad if what Andre posted was actually true.
> >
> Oh, it's true, according to Rasmussen, who oversaw the research. I added zero information, just retiled information from a perfectly respectable source.

except that you changed 'home confinement' to 'concentration camps' and claim 'town hall' is reputable. other than that......

> >
> > Fortunately, like most of what he posts, it isn't true.
> >
> It may not be received truth to a hick Democrat pol who lies as easily as he breathes, but to rational, thinking people, what Rasmussen discovered about the growing
> fascism of the Democrat Party under Biden is only too literally true.

yeah, it's the democrats we have to worry about. https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/589831-justice-department-faces-challenges-with-oathkeepers-case (that means their coming for tommy "oathkeeper" kunich, andre. Be happy they likely won't issue an extradition order for you)

> >
> > First hint that it's not true is "townhall.com" which has zero credibility.
> >
> Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original at
> https://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/partner_surveys/jan_2022/covid_19_democratic_voters_support_harsh_measures_against_unvaccinated

Sure thing skippy. The Rasmussen question was " federal or state governments require that citizens remain confined to their homes at all times, except for emergencies". Town hall changed that to " requiring citizens to temporarily live in designated facilities or locations". WE know you're not that stupid, your misdirection is deliberate. Tommy simply swallows what ever load the ringwing media spurts in his general direction.

> >
> > Second hint is to use Snopes, Politifact or any of the other fact
> > checking sites.
> > <https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/13/ron-johnson/johnson-falsely-says-unvaccinated-people-around-wo/>
> >
> You're blowing smoke because you don't have a case, Scharfie. I said nothing about Ron Johnson. I don't even know who he is.

And yet you claim to be qualified to argue on the subject. Arguing from ignorance is tommy's shtick. Sad to see you degraded to his level.

> And when Politifact gets something right, I'll turn into a monkey with a curly tail.

And just like that, "POOF", Andre became a monkey with a curly tail.

> You're dragging in an irrelevance because you're an idiot who always goes further than the facts and then have to depend on your Schmarmie Scarfie manner to save your slack ass.
> >
> > Third hint is that Andre Jute posted it!
> >
> When you don't have a foot stand on, and know you can't stand up against someone in debate, issue a generic condemnation of that person. You're despicable, Scharfie, but that isn't news any more.

"[you] issue a generic condemnation of that person"

followed by

"You're despicable" (and of course preceded by "He's permanent scum")

If there were any irony meters left functioning, that did it.

> >
> Rasmussen asked Democrats about the unvaccinated, and discovered 45% of Democrats want to lock the unvaccinated up in concentration camps.
> Go argue with Rasmussen, Scharfie, and see if you have any more luck with them than with me.

Prove that the Rasmussen poll said anything about concentration camps (and this on the heels of "Prove that Townhall said a single thing in the article I referred you to that wasn't in the Rasmussen original". Here's a hint skippy, tommy is the only person in this forum as stupid as tommy. the rest of us see right through you.)

> Andre Jute
> Every time I stroke Scharfie because he squirms so prettily to be loved, like an unmannered pup he pisses on me.

Ah, what's the matter andre, stroking tommy to get him to piss on you isn't enough?

On 1/17/2022 10:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:

<snip>

> This is exactly the same as the Townhall article. Therefore, the
> questions didn't change. My apologies for the screwup. However, the
> rest of my comments, on the small population and the lumping of
> responses in small categories, are still valid.

In 1985: "The Los Angeles Times Poll found that 51 percent of the
respondents supported a quarantine of acquired immune deficiency
syndrome patients, 48 percent would approve of identity cards for those
who have taken tests indicating the presence of AIDS antibodies and 15
percent supported tattooing those with AIDS."

I suspect that a high percentage of that 51% would oppose quarantining
those with active Covid cases.

This was for a virus that was not spread through the air, and where a
quarantine would have had little effect on the population not at risk.

Since 1983, AIDS has killed 36.3 million people, that's in about 38
years, or about 1 million people per year. Since 2020, Covid has killed
about 5.5 million people, that's about 2.25 million people per year.
Covid doesn't care about your sexual preferences, whether or not you're
an IV drug user, or how many or how few sexual partners you have.

Of course quarantining for Covid is already happening by many countries
when people arrive by air or ship and test positive.

A better approach is for airlines, hotels, stores, restaurants, movie
theaters, and other venues open to the public, to require proof of
vaccination, not with a card, that is easily forged, but with what many
states are doing, a QR code that the place can scan to confirm that the
person is who they say they are, and that they've been vaccinated.

The equipment for vaccination verification is not expensive, just a
phone with a QR code reader, but it would require that an employee check
people as they enter. Still, in areas with high vaccination rates, it
would probably be a net positive for many businesses. A lot of cautious
people have given up on going out to restaurants, given up flying, etc.,
and many of those would be willing to be less cautious about venturing
out if they knew that unvaccinated individuals were not permitted to be
in the same place as regular people.

On 1/18/2022 9:43 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/17/2022 10:04 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> This is exactly the same as the Townhall article.
>> Therefore, the
>> questions didn't change. My apologies for the screwup.
>> However, the
>> rest of my comments, on the small population and the
>> lumping of
>> responses in small categories, are still valid.
>
> In 1985: "The Los Angeles Times Poll found that 51 percent
> of the respondents supported a quarantine of acquired immune
> deficiency syndrome patients, 48 percent would approve of
> identity cards for those who have taken tests indicating the
> presence of AIDS antibodies and 15 percent supported
> tattooing those with AIDS."
>
> I suspect that a high percentage of that 51% would oppose
> quarantining those with active Covid cases.
>
> This was for a virus that was not spread through the air,
> and where a quarantine would have had little effect on the
> population not at risk.
>
> Since 1983, AIDS has killed 36.3 million people, that's in
> about 38 years, or about 1 million people per year. Since
> 2020, Covid has killed about 5.5 million people, that's
> about 2.25 million people per year. Covid doesn't care about
> your sexual preferences, whether or not you're an IV drug
> user, or how many or how few sexual partners you have.
>
> Of course quarantining for Covid is already happening by
> many countries when people arrive by air or ship and test
> positive.
>
> A better approach is for airlines, hotels, stores,
> restaurants, movie theaters, and other venues open to the
> public, to require proof of vaccination, not with a card,
> that is easily forged, but with what many states are doing,
> a QR code that the place can scan to confirm that the person
> is who they say they are, and that they've been vaccinated.
>
> The equipment for vaccination verification is not expensive,
> just a phone with a QR code reader, but it would require
> that an employee check people as they enter. Still, in areas
> with high vaccination rates, it would probably be a net
> positive for many businesses. A lot of cautious people have
> given up on going out to restaurants, given up flying, etc.,
> and many of those would be willing to be less cautious about
> venturing out if they knew that unvaccinated individuals
> were not permitted to be in the same place as regular people.

Verificatio of an ineffective shot, or four shots, achieves
what, in terms of medicine/epidemiology, exactly?

https://www.hngn.com/articles/240064/20220118/israel-still-pushes-2nd-booster-shot-research-enough-prevent-omicron.htm

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bc-ml-virus-outbreak-israel_n_61e69b74e4b0c6802eeb95ef

https://nypost.com/2022/01/18/fourth-covid-vaccine-still-doesnt-stop-omicron-israeli-study/
--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Am 18.01.2022 um 16:54 schrieb AMuzi:
> On 1/18/2022 9:43 AM, sms wrote:

>> A better approach is for airlines, hotels, stores,
>> restaurants, movie theaters, and other venues open to the
>> public, to require proof of vaccination, not with a card,
>> that is easily forged, but with what many states are doing,
>> a QR code that the place can scan to confirm that the person
>> is who they say they are, and that they've been vaccinated.
>>
>> The equipment for vaccination verification is not expensive,
>> just a phone with a QR code reader, but it would require
>> that an employee check people as they enter. Still, in areas
>> with high vaccination rates, it would probably be a net
>> positive for many businesses. A lot of cautious people have
>> given up on going out to restaurants, given up flying, etc.,
>> and many of those would be willing to be less cautious about
>> venturing out if they knew that unvaccinated individuals
>> were not permitted to be in the same place as regular people.
>
> Verificatio of an ineffective shot, or four shots,  achieves what, in
> terms of medicine/epidemiology, exactly?
>
> https://www.hngn.com/articles/240064/20220118/israel-still-pushes-2nd-booster-shot-research-enough-prevent-omicron.htm

In Germany, we have this in place:
In order to go to restaurants, you need either a shot within the last 3
months, or two shots in the past plus a current test.

This requirement appears to be intrumental to having R = 1.1 rather than
the explosion of cases in France and Spain.

Even with Omicron being less severe, an incidence of 3,000 per week as
in Paris brings hospitals to a grinding halt, an incidence just below
1,000 as in most German places seems to be an infection rate our
hospitals can just about cope with.

Rolf

On Tuesday, January 18, 2022 at 4:01:51 PM UTC, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 18.01.2022 um 16:54 schrieb AMuzi:
> > On 1/18/2022 9:43 AM, sms wrote:
>
> >> A better approach is for airlines, hotels, stores,
> >> restaurants, movie theaters, and other venues open to the
> >> public, to require proof of vaccination, not with a card,
> >> that is easily forged, but with what many states are doing,
> >> a QR code that the place can scan to confirm that the person
> >> is who they say they are, and that they've been vaccinated.
> >>
> >> The equipment for vaccination verification is not expensive,
> >> just a phone with a QR code reader, but it would require
> >> that an employee check people as they enter. Still, in areas
> >> with high vaccination rates, it would probably be a net
> >> positive for many businesses. A lot of cautious people have
> >> given up on going out to restaurants, given up flying, etc.,
> >> and many of those would be willing to be less cautious about
> >> venturing out if they knew that unvaccinated individuals
> >> were not permitted to be in the same place as regular people.
> >
> > Verificatio of an ineffective shot, or four shots, achieves what, in
> > terms of medicine/epidemiology, exactly?
> >
> > https://www.hngn.com/articles/240064/20220118/israel-still-pushes-2nd-booster-shot-research-enough-prevent-omicron.htm
> In Germany, we have this in place:
> In order to go to restaurants, you need either a shot within the last 3
> months, or two shots in the past plus a current test.
>
> This requirement appears to be intrumental to having R = 1.1 rather than
> the explosion of cases in France and Spain.
>
> Even with Omicron being less severe, an incidence of 3,000 per week as
> in Paris brings hospitals to a grinding halt, an incidence just below
> 1,000 as in most German places seems to be an infection rate our
> hospitals can just about cope with.
>
> Rolf
>
The government in Ireland, and I assume governments elsewhere in the EU, issued all their vaccinated citizens with a sheet of paper with vaccination details plus a scannable graphic that can be checked against some kind of computerized record and instructions on folding it. It's still a large piece of bumf that trebled the size of my "wallet", previously a couple of cards bracketing a hundred bucks in two folded fifties as emergency money, held together with a wide elastic and carried in a shirt pocket. I've recently been to my optician, my doctor and my bank, and waited for my driver to come pick me up on the concourse of a shopping mall, and haven't been asked for it, though I commented to my wife when I got home that everyone appeared to be wearing the useless cloth masks. But it may be I wasn't asked because everyone knows me and also knows that all people my age were vaccinated in the impressive rolling vaccination program the government organized. Many restaurants and bars sell takeaway food and drink but aren't open -- as far as I know -- for indoors service. -- AJ