On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 3:27:47 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:55:00 PM UTC+2, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > > A common mistake. People buy a too complicated device with features they
> > > > > never use and only complicate matters. Half of the members of my club
> > > > > with a Garmin with navigation capabilities can't even read the map without reading glasses.
> > > > >
> > > > > Lou
> > > > >
> > > > Number of folks I see with really quite high end Garmin/Wahoo/ etc and all
> > > > they do is turn on and ride.
> > > Same here after I disable all the unnecessary crap and set up the basics for them. Our medical half (retired general practitioners and specialists) of our group don't have a clue and don't care. How their patients survived is still a puzzle to me ;-)
> > One day I will figure out how to download route sheets of a century into the 830 for a century I've never done before. Is it better to have the capability and not use it or need the capability and not have it? The major problem is that people that are putting on the century have to know how to generate a Garmin friendly route sheet.
> Route sheets? I think you don’t understand how it works yet. You only need one guy that rides the route and record it to generate a gpx file, hich anyone can download and put it in their Garmin. It is so easy.

I sent my Garmin back to the factory, it was a new one and had 17 numbers or letters in the serial numbers. Yesterday I received back what I assume was supposed to be a repaired older verion which has a serial number consisting of 8 letters and numbers.

I took it out today and it was far worse than the other. The other unit would run for a short time and then freeze up at zero speed. This one had speed entirely unrelated to reality. I would be riding at about 11 or 12 mph and it would show 6 and then jump to 18 mph. At one point while leaving a stop light, it showed that I was going over 30 mph. Finally at 12 miles it too froze at 0.0 mph. The cadence appeared to be operating correctly and the clock seemed to be working as well.

At one point it reported "Lost Satellite". I flipped to the black screen and it showed all green on the GPS.

At the moment I am not feeling very friendly to Garmin. I wonder if they are simply rotating the one's that don't work between people complaining?

On Sunday, June 19, 2022 at 1:10:02 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:59:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 3:27:47 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 2:48:25 PM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, May 28, 2022 at 10:55:00 PM UTC+2, Roger Merriman wrote:
> > > > > Lou Holtman <lou.h...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > > A common mistake. People buy a too complicated device with features they
> > > > > > never use and only complicate matters. Half of the members of my club
> > > > > > with a Garmin with navigation capabilities can't even read the map without reading glasses.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Lou
> > > > > >
> > > > > Number of folks I see with really quite high end Garmin/Wahoo/ etc and all
> > > > > they do is turn on and ride.
> > > > Same here after I disable all the unnecessary crap and set up the basics for them. Our medical half (retired general practitioners and specialists) of our group don't have a clue and don't care. How their patients survived is still a puzzle to me ;-)
> > > One day I will figure out how to download route sheets of a century into the 830 for a century I've never done before. Is it better to have the capability and not use it or need the capability and not have it? The major problem is that people that are putting on the century have to know how to generate a Garmin friendly route sheet.
> > Route sheets? I think you don’t understand how it works yet. You only need one guy that rides the route and record it to generate a gpx file, hich anyone can download and put it in their Garmin. It is so easy.
> I sent my Garmin back to the factory, it was a new one and had 17 numbers or letters in the serial numbers. Yesterday I received back what I assume was supposed to be a repaired older verion which has a serial number consisting of 8 letters and numbers.
>
> I took it out today and it was far worse than the other. The other unit would run for a short time and then freeze up at zero speed. This one had speed entirely unrelated to reality. I would be riding at about 11 or 12 mph and it would show 6 and then jump to 18 mph. At one point while leaving a stop light, it showed that I was going over 30 mph. Finally at 12 miles it too froze at 0.0 mph. The cadence appeared to be operating correctly and the clock seemed to be working as well.
>
> At one point it reported "Lost Satellite". I flipped to the black screen and it showed all green on the GPS.
>
> At the moment I am not feeling very friendly to Garmin. I wonder if they are simply rotating the one's that don't work between people complaining?

I am presently suffering the after effects of covid-19 which is rather extreme exhaustion. I won't ride until Saturday and maybe Sunday depending on how I feel. The book says that these post covid-19 symptoms usually last 4-6 weeks but can go for 10 weeks. Considering the way I feel, I hope that 4-6 weeks is the longest. I definitely won't be climbing so by the time I recover I will have to start training again so that I can climb.

I'm about to leave and go pick up the Type 2 speed and cadence sensors. I won't install these on the bike until after I test them using pure GPS tracking.

My suspicion is that the reason that I've had all of these problems that Lou hasn't is because of the failure mode of the old style Type 1 speed and cadence sensors. So Lou is correct sort of about the older style speed and cadence detectors not working with the newer head units.

On 6/23/2022 1:27 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>
>
> I am presently suffering the after effects of covid-19 which is rather extreme exhaustion. I won't ride until Saturday and maybe Sunday depending on how I feel. The book says that these post covid-19 symptoms usually last 4-6 weeks but can go for 10 weeks. Considering the way I feel, I hope that 4-6 weeks is the longest.

Tom, you've told us for years Covid is fake. By you're own views, Covid
cannot be your problem. You're just getting older and more feeble.

> My suspicion is that the reason that I've had all of these problems that Lou hasn't is because of the failure mode of the old style Type 1 speed and cadence sensors.

Perhaps. But that doesn't explain all your other problems, like
handlebars slipping, bottom brackets that don't fit, shifters that don't
shift, wires that don't wire, bikes that don't sell, jobs that you
couldn't hold onto for more than a year, investments that lose money
when the stock market surges, lawn mowers that chop off toes, and on and
on.

I suspect those problems all have the same root cause.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > >
> > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > >
> > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem.. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> The software engineers at Garmin are morons.

Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.

On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles.. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason.. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different.. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.

In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".

If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.

Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>
>In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>
>If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>
>Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?

And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
software engineering!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked.
>I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>
>Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?

This might help:
<https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/172478/screen-lock>

"Also note that if screen capture is on (system, display, Screen
capture) then pressing the power button will take a screen shot
instead of locking the display"

--
Jeff Liebermann jeffl@cruzio.com
PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >
> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >
> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> software engineering!

Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.

On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:45:23 PM UTC-7, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked.
> >I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >
> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> This might help:
> <https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830/172478/screen-lock>
>
> "Also note that if screen capture is on (system, display, Screen
> capture) then pressing the power button will take a screen shot
> instead of locking the display"

If I hadn't tried doing all of that I wouldn't be asking for assistance. Assuming you have a Garmin 830 why would that be since you don't ride a bike. Assuming you don't have a Garmin 830 why would you be offering advice on it? Is it your belief that after 4 weeks including several hours on the phone with Garmin service that I haven't bothered to read the relevant information?

The unit is working properly as a pure GPS but none of the screens are working for set-up. And adding the Version 2 sensors requires the setup screen.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:41:41 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> > > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> > Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>
> If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>
> Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?

Did you try to hold the on/off button for 10 seconds? You garmin should turn off and turn on again.

Lou

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 9:28:49 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:41:41 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > > > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> > > > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> > > Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> > In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >
> > If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >
> > Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> Did you try to hold the on/off button for 10 seconds? You garmin should turn off and turn on again.
Yes, I've tried that and while it appears to restart none of the buttons do anything. I have to clean up my car for a hopeful sale but after that, I will call Garmin yet again.

Every time I call I get something like "we didn't put that in the manual because everyone should know that" Everyone should know that you have to erase the previous unit from the list, total reset the new unit and wait two hours for the new firmware to load and then place the unit out in the open so that something else will download via GPS? All of this is simple enough but don't you think that should be part of the manual? Garmin have been very patient but I'm getting tired of the unit working correctly until the next update.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:21:58 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 9:28:49 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:41:41 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > > > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > > > > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> > > > > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> > > > Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> > > In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> > >
> > > If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> > Did you try to hold the on/off button for 10 seconds? You garmin should turn off and turn on again.
> Yes, I've tried that and while it appears to restart none of the buttons do anything. I have to clean up my car for a hopeful sale but after that, I will call Garmin yet again.
>
> Every time I call I get something like "we didn't put that in the manual because everyone should know that" Everyone should know that you have to erase the previous unit from the list, total reset the new unit and wait two hours for the new firmware to load and then place the unit out in the open so that something else will download via GPS? All of this is simple enough but don't you think that should be part of the manual? Garmin have been very patient but I'm getting tired of the unit working correctly until the next update.

After they looked at the GPS route that showed 25.7 miles for three rides and then on the fourth trip it showed 23 miles and that didn't download to the computer.

So they wanted it back so they can send me yet another rebuilt 830.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >
>> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >
>> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >
>> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> software engineering!
>
>Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.

Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
thousands, of others use with no problems.

Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:18:34 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >
> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >
> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> software engineering!
> >
> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>
> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

I just replaced a light switch in my house a couple hours ago. Took longer to figure out which circuit breaker turned it off than to do the work. Simple easy work. But the light was on a GFCI breaker for some odd reason. That was the very very very last one I thought to turn off after I had already turned every other one off twice.

On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 21:53:12 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 6:18:34 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >> >
>> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >> >
>> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> >> software engineering!
>> >
>> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
>> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
>> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
>> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
>> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>>
>> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
>> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>I just replaced a light switch in my house a couple hours ago. Took longer to figure out which circuit breaker turned it off than to do the work. Simple easy work. But the light was on a GFCI breaker for some odd reason. That was the very very very last one I thought to turn off after I had already turned every other one off twice.

When tinkering with electrical stuff my policy is to pull the main
breaker as I've had some experience with circuits that I "thought"
were "dead" and my normal procedure is to get all the bits, pieces and
tools organized pull the switch, screw the screws and then turn things
back on.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >
> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >
> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >
> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> software engineering!
> >
> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>
> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"

You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.

On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:50:05 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 12:21:58 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 9:28:49 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 3:41:41 AM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> > > > > > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> > > > > > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> > > > > > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> > > > > > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> > > > > > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> > > > > > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> > > > > Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> > > > In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> > > >
> > > > If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> > > >
> > > > Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> > > Did you try to hold the on/off button for 10 seconds? You garmin should turn off and turn on again.
> > Yes, I've tried that and while it appears to restart none of the buttons do anything. I have to clean up my car for a hopeful sale but after that, I will call Garmin yet again.
> >
> > Every time I call I get something like "we didn't put that in the manual because everyone should know that" Everyone should know that you have to erase the previous unit from the list, total reset the new unit and wait two hours for the new firmware to load and then place the unit out in the open so that something else will download via GPS? All of this is simple enough but don't you think that should be part of the manual? Garmin have been very patient but I'm getting tired of the unit working correctly until the next update.
> After they looked at the GPS route that showed 25.7 miles for three rides and then on the fourth trip it showed 23 miles and that didn't download to the computer.
>
> So they wanted it back so they can send me yet another rebuilt 830.

I am somewhat bothered by the fact that I bought a NEW Garmin 830 directly from Garmin themselves. It didn't work and they exchanged it for a rebuilt one which on the third firmware update stopped working properly and so they are sending me yet another rebuilt instead of new 830. This hardly seems honest to me.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >> >
>> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >> >
>> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >> >
>> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> >> software engineering!
>> >
>> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
>> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
>> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
>> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
>> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>>
>> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
>> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
>
>You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.

Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
"nice".
As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
of 2011.

As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
thing.

I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
caliber.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections.. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> >> software engineering!
> >> >
> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
> >>
> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
> >
> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
> "nice".
> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
> of 2011.
>
> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
> thing.
>
> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
> caliber.

True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.

> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> >> >> software engineering!
>> >> >
>> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
>> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
>> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
>> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
>> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>> >>
>> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
>> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
>> >
>> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
>> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
>> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
>> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
>> "nice".
>> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
>> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
>> of 2011.
>>
>> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
>> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
>> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
>> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
>> thing.
>>
>> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
>> caliber.
>
>True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.

I once worked as an Electrical Supervisor on a project to maintain the
USAF base at Udorn Thailand. I sent a Thai crew out to wire a one room
addition to one of the Air Force's buildings and when the Air Force
Inspector checked the work he "gigged" us because one of the light
switches was "Installed upside down". So... I told the Thai Foreman to
go out and turn the switch the other way "up". He looked at me for a
moment and replied, "but the light works." (:-)
--
Cheers,

On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 12:56:55 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior.. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> >> >> software engineering!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> >> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> >> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> >> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> >> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
> >> >>
> >> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> >> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
> >> >
> >> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
> >> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
> >> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
> >> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
> >> "nice".
> >> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
> >> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
> >> of 2011.
> >>
> >> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
> >> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
> >> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
> >> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
> >> thing.
> >>
> >> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
> >> caliber.
> >
> >True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.
> I once worked as an Electrical Supervisor on a project to maintain the
> USAF base at Udorn Thailand. I sent a Thai crew out to wire a one room
> addition to one of the Air Force's buildings and when the Air Force
> Inspector checked the work he "gigged" us because one of the light
> switches was "Installed upside down". So... I told the Thai Foreman to
> go out and turn the switch the other way "up". He looked at me for a
> moment and replied, "but the light works." (:-)
> --
> Cheers,
>
> John B.

On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 23:20:12 -0700 (PDT), "russellseaton1@yahoo.com"
<ritzannaseaton@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 12:56:55 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
>> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
>> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
>> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
>> >> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
>> >> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
>> >> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
>> >> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
>> >> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
>> >> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
>> >> >> >> software engineering!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
>> >> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
>> >> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
>> >> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
>> >> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
>> >> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
>> >> >
>> >> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
>> >> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
>> >> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
>> >> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
>> >> "nice".
>> >> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
>> >> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
>> >> of 2011.
>> >>
>> >> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
>> >> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
>> >> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
>> >> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
>> >> thing.
>> >>
>> >> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
>> >> caliber.
>> >
>> >True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.
>> I once worked as an Electrical Supervisor on a project to maintain the
>> USAF base at Udorn Thailand. I sent a Thai crew out to wire a one room
>> addition to one of the Air Force's buildings and when the Air Force
>> Inspector checked the work he "gigged" us because one of the light
>> switches was "Installed upside down". So... I told the Thai Foreman to
>> go out and turn the switch the other way "up". He looked at me for a
>> moment and replied, "but the light works." (:-)
>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> John B.
>
>True. Just like on an outlet you can attach the white/negative wire to the gold/brass screw, and the black/positive wire to the silver screw. Outlet still works just fine.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 4:02:25 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections.. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware.
> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >> >
> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> >> software engineering!
> >> >
> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
> >>
> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
> >
> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
> "nice".
> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
> of 2011.
>
> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
> thing.
>
> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
> caliber.

So you're admitting you lied about you bringing your wife to the US and her not liking it. She of course preferred a Thai open air market with flies covering the produce rather than an air conditioned supermarket with food that people don't have to wonder if it will poison them or not.

John, every posting you make allows the world to see just how sick you are. You and Liebermann are two of a kind. But Jeff probably isn't blowing young Thai boys like you are. Jeff didn't tell us all that he had never collected his military retirement. And Jeff, as crazy as he is believing that he can test for cancer using home test kits, at least makes a slight attempt to Google things that MIGHT be true and then presents them as absolute truth.

You are showing yourself as a clown with each posting. You are a low IQ type who really would like to present yourself as smart. There was nothing at all wrong with being yourself but you want to be more than that. And so you show a level of ignorance that is shocking to normal people. You even make Russell look smart and THAT is really hard to do.

On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 11:50:45 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 23:20:12 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Thursday, June 30, 2022 at 12:56:55 AM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 16:48:58 -0700 (PDT), "russell...@yahoo.com"
> >> <ritzann...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Wednesday, June 29, 2022 at 6:02:25 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> >> >> On Wed, 29 Jun 2022 08:15:30 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >On Tuesday, June 28, 2022 at 4:18:34 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> On Tue, 28 Jun 2022 07:52:13 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >On Monday, June 27, 2022 at 7:35:07 PM UTC-7, John B. wrote:
> >> >> >> >> On Mon, 27 Jun 2022 18:41:38 -0700 (PDT), Tom Kunich
> >> >> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> >On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 5:04:19 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> On Sunday, June 26, 2022 at 10:12:11 AM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 11:38:03 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 8:24:58 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 10:56:08 AM UTC-7, Lou Holtman wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > On Wednesday, May 25, 2022 at 7:04:38 PM UTC+2, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > On Wednesday, May 11, 2022 at 2:08:53 PM UTC-7, Tom Kunich wrote:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Well, I have been bothered by my Garmin 830 reporting "Laps" of 5 miles each. These are absolutely worthless but I have yet to discover a way of turning this off. When I flip the Laps notation "off" it still continues with this distraction.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > More serious is it turning off at the strangest moments and for no reason. Yesterday, on that 38 mile ride, it turned off after 21 miles. I think that there was a small indicator that showed it was off but not very noticeable until I reached the top of the climb and started down and got to fairly easy descent from the 12% top descent. This means that I cut 10 miles off of my 38 mile recording. Luckily I did this exact route a month ago and so could get the climb and length off of it. But the new Shamal wheels which had a remarkable effect on my flats speed didn't show any true average speed.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > This happened more commonly in the past but it had more or less stopped doing this with the last firmware update. Well, they updated it again and it looks like it is back.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > I was also having trouble with my 830 finding the speed/cadence sensor but I figured that one out - they have a class of Cadence sensor and another Speed/Cadence sensor. They are different and apparently have different identification codes. Once discovered, easily fixed.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > >
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > > Now I have to watch for the unit shutting off for some reason. I think that occurs when I come to a stop for more than 10 seconds like when I stopped to take a leak along the road. The distance to that point is about correct for the stopped mileage.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > The garminhas carried on with its piculiar behavior. I think that it was the last firmware update that did it in. The immediately followed that by yet another firmware update. So hopefully that wil correct the problem. It shows the route when you get to the end of the ride and connect it with Garmin Express, but it shows zero mileage for these sections. The last time the Garmin switched off at 5 miles into a 30 mile ride leaving me to guess at distances.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > That are strange problems. My brother uses an edge 830 for a couple of years now without those problems. He had issues when the unit came out but all that was solved by the first couple of updates. Garmin and software is not a great combination. Have you consulted the Garmin forum:
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > > https://forums.garmin.com/sports-fitness/cycling/f/edge-830
> >> >> >> >> >> > > > It appears that a lot of people are having trouble with either the same or related problems. Tomorrow I'll be taking anoter ride and start early and hope the wind and weather aren't too bad or hot. If it fails yet again after I've reset it, I'll have to call Service again. The last problem I had he sent me a non-released version of firmware that fixed all of the problems. I think I'll carry the 810 in my back pocket so that I don't have to guess at distances anymore. The 830 is smaller and lighter but DAMN are a lot of people having problems with it.
> >> >> >> >> >> > > The software engineers at Garmin are morons.
> >> >> >> >> >> > Well, one of the help line guys suggested that I disconnect the 830 from the old version 1 speed/cadence sensor and I did that running purely on GPS and it operated perfectly. I will try it again today and then change it over to the version 2 speed and cadence sensors which I think are different. If this works I will let the Garmen people know that they have a big fat bug sitting in the middle of their Version 1 sensor firmware..
> >> >> >> >> >> Again it operated perfectly so I will ad a version 2 Cadence and speed sensor and see it that fits the problem.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >In an attempt to hook up the Version 2 speed and cadence sensors, I discovered that the 830 acts as it all of the screens are locked. I cannot get into adding a sensor screen because pushing the 3 lines has absolutely no effect. Fooling around with the power button gets me into a power screen at the top of which is an item that says "Lock Screens" pushing that has no effect either, as does pushing the buttons below it saying "power off" or "go to sleep".
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >If I turn the timer on, the timer starts running but it shows speed while sitting in my computer room. It you turn the timer off, it asks you if you want to save the recording. But the X for NO also doesn't work.
> >> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> >Does anyone have any idea about how to get this to work?
> >> >> >> >> And thus speaks the chap with, by his own admission, 50 years of
> >> >> >> >> software engineering!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Thus speaks a moron that knows absolutely nothing about firmware or the difference between it and software. But he can run his mouth off for things other than blowing off little Thai boys.
> >> >> >> Nice one Tommy, but you are the one who brags about all your
> >> >> >> experience designing exotic medical equipment and now you need help in
> >> >> >> turning on a simple electronic device that hundreds, probably
> >> >> >> thousands, of others use with no problems.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Tell us Tommy, do you also have problems with light switches in your
> >> >> >> house? "Lets see.... is it up or down?"
> >> >> >
> >> >> >You're so stupid you cannot tell the difference between turning something on and it working properly. One can only wonder how you can put your own socks on. Or is that why you married a Thai woman whom you claim doesn't want to live in America with large Thai populations.
> >> >> Socks? Nobody wears socks with sandals.
> >> >> As for my wife, I'm not claiming, she did visit the U.S, and she did
> >> >> state that she would never want to live there as the people weren't
> >> >> "nice".
> >> >> As for the "large" Thai populations... well the U.S. Migration Policy
> >> >> Institute has it that there are 239,942 Thai's living in the U.S. as
> >> >> of 2011.
> >> >>
> >> >> As for you I can only repeat my previous comment that even a very
> >> >> small child, or even a puppy dog, will learn if you slap it on the
> >> >> arse and shout NO! when it misbehaves. But you've been slapped on the
> >> >> arse, documented for at least 16 years, and you haven't learned a
> >> >> thing.
> >> >>
> >> >> I think the light switch may be too complicated for one of your mental
> >> >> caliber.
> >> >
> >> >True. A light switch does have an ON and an OFF position. Depending on how you install it, the ON can be either up or down. Way too many decisions to be made and information to be analyzed for Tommy boy. He had better stick to toolbox carrying.
> >> I once worked as an Electrical Supervisor on a project to maintain the
> >> USAF base at Udorn Thailand. I sent a Thai crew out to wire a one room
> >> addition to one of the Air Force's buildings and when the Air Force
> >> Inspector checked the work he "gigged" us because one of the light
> >> switches was "Installed upside down". So... I told the Thai Foreman to
> >> go out and turn the switch the other way "up". He looked at me for a
> >> moment and replied, "but the light works." (:-)
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >>
> >> John B.
> >
> >True. Just like on an outlet you can attach the white/negative wire to the gold/brass screw, and the black/positive wire to the silver screw. Outlet still works just fine.
> Yup, alternating current works both ways (:-)
>
> By the way, in AC house wiring there is no plus and negative there is
> a "hot" wire and a "Neutral" and sometimes a 3rd wire" ground".
>
> While the Neutral is usually grounded at the "entrance" to the
> building this should not be assumed to be true as the system will work
> whether grounded or not.