On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day.. Go team.
> > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > Go team.
> > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> Spanish Bombs
> https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8

Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > > Go team.
> > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > Spanish Bombs
> > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.

Yes, I saw that on the schedule:

https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > > > Go team.
> > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > > Spanish Bombs
> > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
> Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8

Well, there you go. Go team.

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > > > > Go team.
> > > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > > > Spanish Bombs
> > > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> > > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
> > Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
> >
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
>
> Well, there you go. Go team.

Which side are you on?

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:39:05 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > > > > > Go team.
> > > > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > > > > Spanish Bombs
> > > > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> > > > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
> > > Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
> > >
> > > https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome.0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
> >
> > Well, there you go. Go team.
> Which side are you on?

I’m all for teamwork, obviously.

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:11:17 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:39:05 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup.
> > > > > > > > > Go team.
> > > > > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > > > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > > > > > Spanish Bombs
> > > > > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> > > > > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
> > > > Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
> > > >
> > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome.0..69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
> > >
> > > Well, there you go. Go team.
> > Which side are you on?
> I’m all for teamwork, obviously.

Great answer.

🙂

On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:16:54 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:11:17 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:39:05 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
> > > > > > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
> > > > > > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
> > > > > > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
> > > > > > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
> > > > > > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
> > > > > > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup..
> > > > > > > > > > Go team.
> > > > > > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
> > > > > > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
> > > > > > > Spanish Bombs
> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
> > > > > > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
> > > > > Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome..0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
> > > >
> > > > Well, there you go. Go team.
> > > Which side are you on?
> > I’m all for teamwork, obviously.
> Great answer.
>
> 🙂

Go team.

Spam-I-Am wrote:

> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:16:54 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 2:11:17 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:39:05 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:34:49 PM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 1:28:49 PM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:41:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 11:24:02 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:12:22 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 10:07:46 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:55:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:32:22 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:21:53 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:16:24 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:12:17 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 9:06:51 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The mistake Karla Rogers wrote about that applies here.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't think I have to repeat it.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Okay, if you say so. Thanks for your input. Have a nice day. Go team.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > > Have a nice day, Corey.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, of course. That’s nice of you to say.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > I plan to, because that’s just my way,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > when someone says to have a nice day,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > I do. Right now, I’m watching two teams play
>> > > > > > > > > > > > on a football pitch, far, far away,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > and when I say far, I mean Qatar.
>> > > > > > > > > > > I saw you mention that you are watching the World Cup..
>> > > > > > > > > > Go team.
>> > > > > > > > > I saw about thirty seconds of the UGA vs Georgia Tech game yesterday, looked like everyone was having fun.
>> > > > > > > > Well, there you go. Go team. Go sports.
>> > > > > > > Spanish Bombs
>> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/Ul0uJfhywW8
>> > > > > > Spain v. Germany @ 2:00pm EST.
>> > > > > Yes, I saw that on the schedule:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > https://www.google.com/search?q=world+cup&oq=wor&aqs=chrome..0.69i59j46i131i433i512j69i61j69i60j69i65j69i57j69i61j46i131i433i512j0i131i433i512j0i131i433.6740j1j4&client=ms-android-tmus-us-revc&sourceid=chrome-mobile&ie=UTF-8
>> > > >
>> > > > Well, there you go. Go team.
>> > > Which side are you on?
>> > I’m all for teamwork, obviously.
>> Great answer.
>>
>

> Go team.

<Applause>

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> My Father's House
>>>
>>> This is my father's house, although
>>> The man died thirteen years ago.
>>> They said it would be quite all right
>>> To take a drive to see it now.
>>>
>>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
>>> Toiling after each full day's work.
>>> I helped, though I was only six.
>>>
>>> Look, here's the back door I would use
>>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
>>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>>>
>>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>>> To be so many other places.
>>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>>>
>>> Outside, the garden that he grew
>>> Where I would work the summers through,
>>> While watching my friends run and play
>>> Mysterious games I never knew.
>>>
>>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>>> The one chair I was let to sit?
>>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
>>>
>>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
>>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>>> After the meal, to make no noise,
>>> To read or play alone, and then
>>>
>>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
>>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>>>
>>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
>>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
>>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>>> Its flames would light up all the air.
>>>
>>> ~~
>>> George J. Dance
>>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>>
>> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!

> Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.

> The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> over a decade makes that much clearer.

> As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> but I wanted to keep that hidden.

It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:

https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>
> >>> My Father's House
> >>>
> >>> This is my father's house, although
> >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> >>> They said it would be quite all right
> >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> >>>
> >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> >>>
> >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >>>
> >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >>> To be so many other places.
> >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >>>
> >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> >>> While watching my friends run and play
> >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> >>>
> >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >>>
> >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> >>> To read or play alone, and then
> >>>
> >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >>>
> >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> >>>
> >>> ~~
> >>> George J. Dance
> >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >>
> >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
>
> > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
>
> > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > over a decade makes that much clearer.
>
> > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
>
> https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M

Daddy’s Home
https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > George J. Dance wrote:
> >
> > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> My Father's House
> > >>>
> > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > >>>
> > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > >>>
> > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > >>>
> > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > >>> To be so many other places.
> > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > >>>
> > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > >>>
> > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > >>>
> > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > >>>
> > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > >>>
> > >>> ~~
> > >>> George J. Dance
> > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > >>
> > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> >
> > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> >
> > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> >
> > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> Daddy’s Home
> https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/

Good show, I watched the DVD collection.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> My Father's House
> > > >>>
> > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ~~
> > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > >>
> > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > >
> > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > >
> > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > >
> > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in..
> > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > Daddy’s Home
> > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> Good show, I watched the DVD collection.

This is the first I’ve heard of it.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> ~~
> > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > >
> > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > >
> > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > Daddy’s Home
> > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> This is the first I’ve heard of it.

Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:

https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > >
> > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > >
> > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
>
> https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg

The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.

George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > >
> > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.

Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.

No doubt.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > > > >
> > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> No doubt.

So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> > No doubt.
> So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?

I explained that in my original post.

HTH and HAND.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> > > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> > > No doubt.
> > So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?
> I explained that in my original post.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Spam-I-Am wrote:

> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> > > > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
>> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
>> > > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
>> > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
>> > > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
>> > > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
>> > > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
>> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
>> > > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
>> > > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
>
> > > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

> https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

>> > > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
>> > > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
>> > > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
>> > > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
>> > > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
>> > > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
>> > > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
>> > > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
>> > > No doubt.
>> > So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?
>> I explained that in my original post.
>>
>> HTH and HAND.

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:06:01 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Spam-I-Am wrote:
>
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> >> > > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> >
> > > > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >> > > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> >> > > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> >> > > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> >> > > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> >> > > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> >> > > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> >> > > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> >> > > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> >> > > No doubt.
> >> > So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?
> >> I explained that in my original post.
> >>
> >> HTH and HAND.
>
> > No, you didn’t
> Yes, I did.
>
> See above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:20:58 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:06:01 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> >
> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >
> > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> >
> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >> > > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > >> > > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > >> > > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > >> > > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > >> > > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > >> > > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > >> > > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > >> > > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> > >> > > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> > >> > > No doubt.
> > >> > So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?
> > >> I explained that in my original post.
> > >>
> > >> HTH and HAND.
> >
> > > No, you didn’t
> > Yes, I did.
> >
> > See above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> I DON'T CARE

On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:26:47 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:20:58 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 9:06:01 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:47:53 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:42:46 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >> > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:33:38 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:14:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >> > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:07:21 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 8:02:59 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:52:45 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:40:45 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 7:36:30 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 6:10:56 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 1:16:44 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > George J. Dance wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > On 2022-11-26 4:02 p.m., Zod wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> My Father's House
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> This is my father's house, although
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The man died thirteen years ago.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> They said it would be quite all right
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To take a drive to see it now.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Toiling after each full day's work.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I helped, though I was only six.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Look, here's the back door I would use
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To be so many other places.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Outside, the garden that he grew
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I would work the summers through,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> While watching my friends run and play
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Mysterious games I never knew.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> The one chair I was let to sit?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> After the meal, to make no noise,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> To read or play alone, and then
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> Its flames would light up all the air.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> ~~
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> George J. Dance
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> Read twice, outstanding work of poetry....!
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Zod. It's a poem I'm proud of. I wrote the first draft quickly,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I spent several years tweaking it before it went into a book.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > The big revision here is the rewrite to L2. In the original discussion,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > one of the people trying to cut it to shreds was a poet, and amongst her
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > complaints she had a criticism I thought valid: it's not clear that the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > speaker is the child of the poem now grown up. And I think realizing tht
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > is essential to appreciating the thing. Having the father been dead for
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > over a decade makes that much clearer.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As well, it makes certain things more ambiguous, and I think that's a
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > plus as well. By taking out the old L2, it's no longer clear whether the
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > house this guy is walking around in is abandoned, or still lived in.
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > It's also unclear who "they" are; my hidden idea was that the speaker
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > was under psychiatric care, ant "they" were the ones looking after him,
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > but I wanted to keep that hidden.
> > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It reminds me of a scene from Boardwalk Empire:
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > >
> > > > https://youtu.be/m_VG3je3U-M
> > >
> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > Daddy’s Home
> > > >> > > > > > > > > > https://fikklefame.com/daddys-home-ep-1-7-boardwalk-empire/
> > > >> > > > > > > > > Good show, I watched the DVD collection.
> > > >> > > > > > > > This is the first I’ve heard of it.
> > > >> > > > > > > Most or all of the series is available through YouTube, I see:
> > > >> > > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > > https://youtu.be/qRpqQsdU-dg
> > > >> > > > > > The similarity between George Dance’s story of childhood abuse and Nucky’s is striking. Pun intended.
> > > >> > > > > George Dance wrote his poem several years before Boardwalk Empire was created.
> > > >> > > > Okay. So, what? I’m sure there are many survivors of abuse with similar stories, before and since.
> > > >> > > No doubt.
> > > >> > So, what point were you trying to make about George’s poem?
> > > >> I explained that in my original post.
> > > >>
> > > >> HTH and HAND.
> > >
> > > > No, you didn’t
> > > Yes, I did.
> > >
> > > See above ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > I DON'T CARE
> So why are you yelling about it?
>
> 🙂

On 2022-11-27 7:09 a.m., Spam-I-Am wrote:
> On Sunday, November 27, 2022 at 6:39:31 AM UTC-5, Spam-I-Am wrote:
>> On Saturday, November 26, 2022 at 3:49:07 PM UTC-5, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> My Father's House
>>>
>>> This is my father's house, although
>>> The man died thirteen years ago.
>>> They said it would be quite all right
>>> To take a drive to see it now.
>>>
>>> Dad laid those grey foundation blocks
>>> And built the whole thing (from a box),
>>> Toiling after each full day's work.
>>> I helped, though I was only six.
>>>
>>> Look, here's the back door I would use
>>> And here's where I'd remove my shoes
>>> To enter; there I'd leave my things
>>> And, when allowed, climb up these stairs.
>>>
>>> In this room I'd wash many a dish,
>>> Gaze out this window, and I'd wish
>>> To be so many other places.
>>> (Wishy-washy? Oh, I guess!)
>>>
>>> Outside, the garden that he grew
>>> Where I would work the summers through,
>>> While watching my friends run and play
>>> Mysterious games I never knew.
>>>
>>> That room's all changed; oh, where is it,
>>> The one chair I was let to sit?
>>> (For boys can be such filthy things.)
>>> Which, the corner where boys were put?
>>>
>>> Oh ... down that hall there is a room
>>> Where I'd be shut (as in a tomb)
>>> After the meal, to make no noise,
>>> To read or play alone, and then
>>>
>>> Lights out: in bed by nine each night,
>>> Some nights wanting to pee with fright,
>>> Face and pyjama bottoms down
>>> As for my father's belt I'd wait.
>>>
>>> Oh, if I were a millionaire
>>> I'd buy my father's house, and there
>>> I'd build a bonfire, oh so high
>>> Its flames would light up all the air.
>>>
>>> ~~
>>> George J. Dance
>>> from Logos and other logoi, 2021
>> Okay, so the poem tells a story of remembered abuse.
>> The extent to which the story in the poem reflects the
>> true story of your life and memory is fundamentally
>> irrelevant to the reader except to the extent that your
>> life experience informs your ability to write emotionally
>> convincing stories that are of interest to other people.
>> When you say “My” father’s house, “By” George J. Dance,
>> people are going to think you’re talking about yourself.
>
> Therefore, “my” recommendation is to change the title of “your” poem from
> “My Father’s House” to “Our Father’s House”, and all of the relevant pronouns
> from singular to plural possessive. “Our” Father’s House allows “you” to represent
> and speak for “your” kin, those who identify with the speaker, and also provides a
> subtle religious connotation, “Our Father, who art in heaven…”, that “My” does not.
>

Thanks for giving it so much thought and effort. I have to acknowledge
that.

Pluralizing all the pronouns would change the poem considerably, but one
thing it wouldn't change is the confusion you mentioned. If someone
thought this was a poem about my own father and childhood because it was
titled "My Father's House," they'd be just as likely to think that if it
were titled "Our Father's House".

Except, of course, for that religious connotation; some might think it
was a poem about God. But it's not a poem about God, and that's an
interpretation I wouldn't want to encourage.

> Lose the parentheses.

I like them. They're both interruptions in the speaker's thought process.