On 9/10/21 2:53 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 10:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>> Been watching "Car Wizard" videos on Youtube, his most recent video is
>> about a small Buick that had been to a dealership 4 times for the same
>> problems, check engine light on, engine temp all over the place and
>> the alternator light was on sometimes.
>> Dealer changed the engine oil and the serpentine belt and said it was
>> fixed, turned out the fault was a faulty thermostat and a bad battery
>> but the dealer could neither find the faults or fix them.
>> That is just one of hundreds of horror car dealer stories on the
>> internet.
>> If that's the standard of work that "licensed" dealer "technicians" do
>> then I pity car owners who take their car to dealerships for anything
>> more than a basic service.
>>
> Years ago I had an 1800. It started backfiring so I took it to the local
> BMC dealer. Picked it up that evening still backfiring was told to bring
> it back Monday for further diagnosis. I decided to have a look myself,
> it took about 5 minutes to find that the rubber pipe from the PCV valve
> to the inlet manifold had perished. Never went back there again.

Certainly nothing new about poor dealer service.

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On 9/10/21 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>
>
>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second to
>> none
>
> You must be joking, I've known a whole lot of people who were with the
> Yanks in Vietnam, their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are
> about as low as it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one
> engine, one gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They
> threw stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians
> who were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.

My Warrant Officer brother has a low opinion of US Military, "poorly
trained and poorly disciplined", "an Australian Private is better
trained than a US Sargent", "10 Aussie Diggers are worth 100 US GI's".
Only good thing he says about them is that they have the best and latest
equipment and lots of it.

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On 9/10/21 4:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>>>> to none
>>>>
>>>> You must be joking,
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>
>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in Vietnam,
>>>> their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about as low as
>>>> it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one engine, one
>>>> gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They threw
>>>> stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians who
>>>> were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>
>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of stuff
>>> rather than repair it because they have precious few people who can
>>> actually repair anything.
>>>
>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying
>> theory of operation so cockups are frequent.
>
> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US army
> would be second to none"?

LOL.

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On 9/10/21 3:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 10:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good shaking
>>>>>>> before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>>
>>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>>
>>
>> your ignorance is showing. https://www.productreview.com.au/ is the
>> most authoritative site for getting info and opinions about products
>> from consumers. ie. ppl who actually use them. I have done reviews
>> myself. that's the first point. secondly, if most ppl ie. the vast
>> majority, are saying a product is crap, what are the chances that it
>> is? here's a clue.. 99.99% certainty it is!
>
> And how many reviews are actually from ordinary people and not shills
> for the manufacturers?

Those reviews are from people using it to polish metal, nothing there
about using it to polish plastic headlamps.

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On 9/10/21 3:15 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 2:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 11:49 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> If that's the standard of work that "licensed" dealer "technicians"
>>>> do then I pity car owners who take their car to dealerships for
>>>> anything more than a basic service.
>>>
>>> Yep. They employ automatons who aren't capable of independent thought,
>>
>> Also the system doesn't allow them to have independent thoughts, its
>> do it their way or you are out the door, either way its not a good
>> result for the customer.
>> Not allowed to repair, only allowed to replace.
>> Bit like the problem with the WRX AC, problem was the gap in the AC
>> compressor clutch was out of spec but they couldn't even find any
>> problem, undo one 10mm bolt, remove a shim so the gap is now within
>> spec and problem fixed but despite looking at it 3 times they couldn't
>> even find a fault let alone fix it.
>> The fault is as much to do with car maker mandated systems that
>> dealers must follow as it is with individuals.
>
> It's a complex problem which is not helped by the fact that dealership
> service departments are designed to make as much money as can be
> achieved by turning over as many quick "in and out" service jobs per day
> as possible.
>
> When I was the service manager for a Honda dealership years ago the
> normal procedure for the service department was to avoid as much
> "non-service" work for as long as possible, as it interfered with the
> daily income generation of the department. We had 6 "technicians" and an
> apprentice, and each one of them did between 4 and 6 cars a day each on
> average. Straight in-straight out. It was a very successful department
> that made tonnes of money every single day, and what it *didn't* need
> were jobs that would tie up a technician for hours where they could be
> otherwise turning over a number of basic service jobs where the profit
> margin per hour was significantly higher.
>
> So we would fob people off. If someone had a mechanical problem on an
> older car that wasn't going to be covered under warranty we would try to
> steer them towards someone who could "do it sooner" such as a local
> independent who would give a little kick back for sending work their
> way. Similarly if someone had a warranty issue that needed addressing we
> would have an obligation to do the repair but we would stall them for as
> long as possible because Honda only paid something like 40% of the
> normal retail service rate for warranty work and we would rather be
> doing regular service work for full retail price than cut rate warranty
> repairs for Honda.
>
> That's how it worked. This was policy according to the dealer principal
> and I as the service manager had no say in any of that. Company policy
> was above my pay grade. What my job entailed was to ensure that the
> service department ran exactly as the dealer principal wanted it to, and
> to that end it did. Every other Honda dealership in the country ran the
> same way, and just about every other dealership of *any* marque that I
> visited operated along those lines. They're *all* in it to make money,
> and they all have service departments because that's where the bulk of
> the money is made.
>
> They don't have your interests at heart. They have *theirs*. They know
> they have a largely captive audience with most new car buyers being
> ignorant enough to believe that they have no choice *but* to go to the
> dealer for regular servicing, and the dealer milks the shit out of that
> for all they can get away with.
>
> This is the key difference between dealerships and independents.
> Independents have to earn your custom by looking after you and providing
> you with quality service at a reasonable price. Dealerships have no such
> obligations and treat their clients as cash cows.
>
>
There are a few exceptions but 99% correct.
IMHO its not a good business model, better to make less money, do a good
job at a reasonable price and keep the customers coming back.

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On 9/10/21 4:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>>>> to none
>>>>
>>>> You must be joking,
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>
>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in Vietnam,
>>>> their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about as low as
>>>> it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one engine, one
>>>> gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They threw
>>>> stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians who
>>>> were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>
>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of stuff
>>> rather than repair it because they have precious few people who can
>>> actually repair anything.
>>>
>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying
>> theory of operation so cockups are frequent.
>
> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US army
> would be second to none"?

Point 1, the army training scheme is not an apprenticeship.
Point 2, most *mechanics* in the US just learn *on the job* with
typically no formal training and no apprenticeship as we know it.
Point 3, Some mechanics sign up for courses at private tech colleges.
Point 4, not every mechanic in the US does their mechanical training in
the army. In fact *most* don't.
Point 5, some companies, ie. Chamberlain John Deere, have excellent
training regimes, including in-depth resource material, albeit product
oriented. Used them myself for developing learning resources.
Point 6, army mechanic training resource materials are *very*
comprehensive and cover basic principles such as hydraulics and
electrical very well.
Point 7, If you are OS working in oil or mining, you will find mechanics
from Australia and the UK in abundance. This is because mechanics who
have done a full apprenticeship are much more flexible than US mechanics
who are much more vertically specialised.
Point 8, That US specialisation can be extreme. Ie. a mechanic
specialised on Cummins may not be able to work on GM diesels because
their training only involved a 6 or 12 week course only on the one
engine type and was not readily transferable to other types. My diesel
training, OTOH, covered all types of diesel engines, all types of fuel
systems, all forms of supercharging and all types of governors. Even
included *overhaul*, *testing* and calibration of all types of pumps and
injector systems. Very comprehensive.
Point 9, Because of point 8, most diesel mechanics on rigs are Aussies
and Poms.

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On 9/10/21 4:37 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/10/21 3:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 10:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good
>>>>>>>> shaking before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>>>
>>>
>>> your ignorance is showing. https://www.productreview.com.au/ is the
>>> most authoritative site for getting info and opinions about products
>>> from consumers. ie. ppl who actually use them. I have done reviews
>>> myself. that's the first point. secondly, if most ppl ie. the vast
>>> majority, are saying a product is crap, what are the chances that it
>>> is? here's a clue.. 99.99% certainty it is!
>>
>> And how many reviews are actually from ordinary people and not shills
>> for the manufacturers?
>
>
> Those reviews are from people using it to polish metal, nothing there
> about using it to polish plastic headlamps.
>
If it won't polish metal, why would it polish polycarbonate any better?
FWIW, part of the Brasso polishing regime is due to acidic action on the
metal. Is that a good thing to have going on with *polycarbonate*?

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On 9/10/2021 4:44 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/10/21 3:15 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> This is the key difference between dealerships and independents.
>> Independents have to earn your custom by looking after you and
>> providing you with quality service at a reasonable price. Dealerships
>> have no such obligations and treat their clients as cash cows.
>>
>>
> There are a few exceptions but 99% correct.
> IMHO its not a good business model, better to make less money, do a good
> job at a reasonable price and keep the customers coming back.

This is precisely the point. They *already* have the people there
because the overwhelming majority of new car owners think they're
obligated to go to the dealer for logbook serving in order to maintain
their warranty. Of course, you and I know that they don't, but dealers
will never tell you that. In fact, some will go out of their way to give
the impression that you *have* to return to the dealership for all your
servicing needs despite this not being the case.

I don't blame the dealerships, as I'm quite sure any other business that
had such a captive audience would behave in exactly the same way, but it
is people's own ignorance that creates the situation of the very place
they *think* they need to take their car to be serviced is the worst
place they can go.

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On 9/10/2021 4:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>>>> to none
>>>>
>>>> You must be joking,
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>
>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in Vietnam,
>>>> their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about as low as
>>>> it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one engine, one
>>>> gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They threw
>>>> stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians who
>>>> were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>
>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of stuff
>>> rather than repair it because they have precious few people who can
>>> actually repair anything.
>>>
>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying
>> theory of operation so cockups are frequent.
>
> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US army
> would be second to none"?

Yeah, but that was before. Now he's changing the goalposts as usual :)

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On 9/10/2021 4:31 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 9/10/21 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>> to none
>>
>> You must be joking, I've known a whole lot of people who were with the
>> Yanks in Vietnam, their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are
>> about as low as it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one
>> engine, one gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They
>> threw stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians
>> who were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>
>
> My Warrant Officer brother has a low opinion of US Military, "poorly
> trained and poorly disciplined", "an Australian Private is better
> trained than a US Sargent", "10 Aussie Diggers are worth 100 US GI's".
> Only good thing he says about them is that they have the best and latest
> equipment and lots of it.

Once again Clasener shows that his desire to mouth off about any given
subject is not limited by his lack of knowledge of that subject.

Brake system check anyone? :)

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 12:27:50 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 8/10/2021 10:58 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/8/2021 9:14 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> and from your other post ..
>>>
>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>
>>> let's see jonzie try and dig him out of this one!  :)
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Dig 'im out?, of where? and why should I?...  :):):)
>
> Indeed. The only people needing to be "dug out" here are the FLC
> fucktards who made complete cunts out of themselves and who are *now&*
> moving the goalposts in creating an irrelevant argument to try to wipe
> some of that egg off their face.
>
> Whether Brasso has changed it's formula and/or is no longer an effective
> metal polish has nothing whatsoever to do with the topic of polishing
> polycarbonate headlights. Brasso may or may not be effective at
> polishing metal these days and I couldn't tell you as I don't use it for
> that. However what I *can* tell you is that the current liquid variety
> is *very* effective as a plastic polish, and unlike the FLC loudmouths
> doing all the irrelevant screaming I can tell you that from experience :)
>
> They really don't need any help in making themselves look like utter
> spastics, do they? :)

And in related news, Donald Trump today repeated his claim to have won the
2020 election...

alvey

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On 9/10/2021 4:00 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 9/10/21 4:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be
>>>>>> second to none
>>>>>
>>>>> You must be joking,
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>>
>>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in
>>>>> Vietnam, their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about
>>>>> as low as it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one
>>>>> engine, one gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that.
>>>>> They threw stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the
>>>>> Australians who were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>>
>>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of
>>>> stuff rather than repair it because they have precious few people
>>>> who can actually repair anything.
>>>>
>>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying
>>> theory of operation so cockups are frequent.
>>
>> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US
>> army would be second to none"?
>
> Point 1, the army training scheme is not an apprenticeship.
> Point 2, most *mechanics* in the US just learn *on the job* with
> typically no formal training and no apprenticeship as we know it.
> Point 3, Some mechanics sign up for courses at private tech colleges.
> Point 4, not every mechanic in the US does their mechanical training in
> the army. In fact *most* don't.
> Point 5, some companies, ie. Chamberlain John Deere, have excellent
> training regimes, including in-depth resource material, albeit product
> oriented. Used them myself for developing learning resources.
> Point 6, army mechanic training resource materials are *very*
> comprehensive and cover basic principles such as hydraulics and
> electrical very well.
> Point 7, If you are OS working in oil or mining, you will find mechanics
> from Australia and the UK in abundance. This is because mechanics who
> have done a full apprenticeship are much more flexible than US mechanics
> who are much more vertically specialised.
> Point 8, That US specialisation can be extreme. Ie. a mechanic
> specialised on Cummins may not be able to work on GM diesels because
> their training only involved a 6 or 12 week course only on the one
> engine type and was not readily transferable to other types. My diesel
> training, OTOH, covered all types of diesel engines, all types of fuel
> systems, all forms of supercharging and all types of governors. Even
> included *overhaul*, *testing* and calibration of all types of pumps and
> injector systems. Very comprehensive.
> Point 9, Because of point 8, most diesel mechanics on rigs are Aussies
> and Poms.

Very interesting but nothing to do with "The training regime for
tradespeople in the US army would be second to none".

On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 13:59:12 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>
>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be
>> second to none
>
> You must be joking, I've known a whole lot of people who were with the
> Yanks in Vietnam, their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are
> about as low as it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one
> engine, one gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They
> threw stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians
> who were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.

Overheard in the playground today, "My experience is bigger than your
experience! Nyahhh nyahh."

alvey
Noting that the Yanks left/fled Vietnam nearly 50 years ago.

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:18:55 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>
>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second to
>>> none
>>
>> You must be joking,
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
> clueless he actually is :)
>
>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the
>> Yanks in Vietnam, their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are
>> about as low as it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one
>> engine, one gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They
>> threw stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians
>> who were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>
> Heard similar stories from people.

Great Big Lol!

That'd be "hearsay" Fraudster. Do you remember your absolutely hilarious
attempt to debunk someone's contrary claim to yours by braying that it was
"hearsay"? Almost certainly not, but I sure do. Here ya go Buffo! Read and
savour your impression of Rumpole of the Bailey. In your instance, better
known as Bumhole of Bumhole (Vic).

Der Der: For something to be considered "factual" it needs to be able to be
demonstrated to be true, and that doesn't apply in this case as the
"evidence" has not been demonstrated to everyone. The evidence has only
been demonstrated to *some* people, and their "say so" is being used as
confirmation of it being true.
In legal terms, this is called "hearsay".

alvey: At base, "hearsay" is repeating something that someone told you.
People giving an opinion on what they personally witnessed is, "in legal
terms", evidence. June 2018.
Just brilliant! You should be proud Der Der. Stupidity of this quality is
immortal.

alvey
As ever, using nothing more than the simple words of a *really* simple man.

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:05:47 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>>>> to none
>>>>
>>>> You must be joking,
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>
>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in Vietnam,
>>>> their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about as low as it
>>>> gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one engine, one gun,
>>>> one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They threw stuff
>>>> away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians who were
>>>> long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>
>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of stuff
>>> rather than repair it because they have precious few people who can
>>> actually repair anything.
>>>
>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying theory
>> of operation so cockups are frequent.
>
> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US army
> would be second to none"?

Newsflash keith. There are tradespeople in America who *aren't* in the
armed forces.

alvey

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 16:33:12 +1100, Daryl wrote:

> On 9/10/21 4:05 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 3:01 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 9/10/21 3:18 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 2:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 9/10/2021 8:19 am, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> The training regime for tradespeople in the US army would be second
>>>>>> to none
>>>>>
>>>>> You must be joking,
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> I'll bet you he's deadly serious, which only serves to highlight how
>>>> clueless he actually is :)
>>>>
>>>>> I've known a whole lot of people who were with the Yanks in Vietnam,
>>>>> their opinions of the skills of US maintainers are about as low as
>>>>> it gets. Basically they were trained on one thing, one engine, one
>>>>> gun, one radio and were totally lost outside of that. They threw
>>>>> stuff away rather than fix it, which was gold to the Australians who
>>>>> were long on fixing skills but short on supplies.
>>>>
>>>> Heard similar stories from people. Americans tend to dispose of stuff
>>>> rather than repair it because they have precious few people who can
>>>> actually repair anything.
>>>>
>>> That's because they don't have an apprenticeship system to speak of.
>>> They all like you - no clear cut understanding of the underlying
>>> theory of operation so cockups are frequent.
>>
>> Didn't you just say "The training regime for tradespeople in the US army
>> would be second to none"?
>
> LOL.

Bigger LOL.

alvey
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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:49:48 +1100, Noddy wrote:

snip sameold buffoonery from someone whose "major achievements" are lies.

Way to go Fraudster!

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On 9/10/2021 11:53 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 8/10/2021 10:34 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>> Been watching "Car Wizard" videos on Youtube, his most recent video is
>> about a small Buick that had been to a dealership 4 times for the same
>> problems, check engine light on, engine temp all over the place and
>> the alternator light was on sometimes.
>> Dealer changed the engine oil and the serpentine belt and said it was
>> fixed, turned out the fault was a faulty thermostat and a bad battery
>> but the dealer could neither find the faults or fix them.
>> That is just one of hundreds of horror car dealer stories on the
>> internet.
>> If that's the standard of work that "licensed" dealer "technicians" do
>> then I pity car owners who take their car to dealerships for anything
>> more than a basic service.
>>
> Years ago I had an 1800. It started backfiring so I took it to the local
> BMC dealer. Picked it up that evening still backfiring was told to bring
> it back Monday for further diagnosis. I decided to have a look myself,
> it took about 5 minutes to find that the rubber pipe from the PCV valve
> to the inlet manifold had perished. Never went back there again.

They most likely never even looked at it that day.

On 9/10/2021 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> nothing could be more stupid than someone who blocks posters,

Like Tommy? I agree he's stupid, but you wont win any points calling him
such...

Oh, I dunno Felix.. maybe try those that you "put you on partial ignore"
and then on "full ignore", those who have been in and out of your
infamous seine net killfile, I think i'm up to five times, and probably
# six after you read this, but "nothing could be more stupid than
someone who blocks posters".. :-D The hypocrisy is strong in this one,
too... Have you, in your dotage, forgotten your very own efforts?

You know Felix, your hokey pokey killfile: "you put Noddy in, you put
Noddy out, you grab a fellow Flc'c cock and shake it all about...

> what could be more stupid than that!

Heaps.!

those who think a single engined light plane can land on 100m of runway
missing a wing
those who ask if a video, apparently from a game, showing a massive
truck drive around a snail trail cliff face, is real....
those who drive their Sprite Mk2a down Geelong Rd, went past an accident
with 2 wheels on the grass at 100kmh, and survived...
those who suggested their shitheap EK could do 90mph in 2nd gear
those who dont know what a cd-r is in relation to stereo (like your
Monster cable drible...)

Those who squeal "Oh Xeno, when are you ever wrong!" Lick Lick.

Of course not to forget your love of Muslims, the solar panels killing
the sun fiasco....

But the pièce de résistance....

"I sometimes don't bother to think things thru before I post, that's all"

Nothing's changed, huh?

> what could be more stupid than that!

Lots! Obviously!!

On 9/10/2021 3:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 2:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 3:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 10:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good
>>>>>>>>> shaking before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns
>>>>>>> out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> your ignorance is showing. https://www.productreview.com.au/ is the
>>>> most authoritative site for getting info and opinions about
>>>> products from consumers. ie. ppl who actually use them. I have done
>>>> reviews myself. that's the first point. secondly, if most ppl ie.
>>>> the vast majority, are saying a product is crap, what are the
>>>> chances that it is? here's a clue.. 99.99% certainty it is!
>>>
>>> And how many reviews are actually from ordinary people and not
>>> shills for the manufacturers?
>>
>>
>> 99%. manufacturers reps won't be posting negative reviews will they
>>
>>
> Depends on which manufacturer they are shilling for.

sure but I don't expect many (any) makers will have an army of shills
just to bag competitors products and skew the reviews

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 15:15:28 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 9/10/2021 2:20 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 9/10/21 11:49 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> If that's the standard of work that "licensed" dealer "technicians"
>>>> do then I pity car owners who take their car to dealerships for
>>>> anything more than a basic service.
>>>
>>> Yep. They employ automatons who aren't capable of independent thought,
>>
>> Also the system doesn't allow them to have independent thoughts, its do
>> it their way or you are out the door, either way its not a good result
>> for the customer.
>> Not allowed to repair, only allowed to replace.
>> Bit like the problem with the WRX AC, problem was the gap in the AC
>> compressor clutch was out of spec but they couldn't even find any
>> problem, undo one 10mm bolt, remove a shim so the gap is now within spec
>> and problem fixed but despite looking at it 3 times they couldn't even
>> find a fault let alone fix it.
>> The fault is as much to do with car maker mandated systems that dealers
>> must follow as it is with individuals.
>
> It's a complex problem which is not helped by the fact that dealership
> service departments are designed to make as much money as can be
> achieved by turning over as many quick "in and out" service jobs per day
> as possible.
>
> When I was the service manager for a Honda dealership

Annnd off into Fantasyland we go.

Of course you could prove me wrong about this recurring claim of yours
Fraudster by publishing some proof, but, like all the other bullshit claims
you've made, you'd rather run away and hide in Castle Killfail than stump
up. Why is that Fraudster?

snip another enormous load of bullshit.

alvey
Also recalling the free trip to Japan to look at the new Prelude. Chuckle
snort.

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On 9/10/2021 6:22 pm, lindsay wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 12:45 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> nothing could be more stupid than someone who blocks posters,
>
> Like Tommy? I agree he's stupid, but you wont win any points calling him
> such...
>
> Oh, I dunno Felix.. maybe try those that you "put you on partial ignore"
> and then on "full ignore", those who have been in and out of your
> infamous seine net killfile, I think i'm up to five times, and probably
> # six after you read this, but "nothing could be more stupid than
> someone who blocks posters".. :-D  The hypocrisy is strong in this one,
> too... Have you, in your dotage, forgotten your very own efforts?
>
> You know Felix, your hokey pokey killfile: "you put Noddy in, you put
> Noddy out, you grab a fellow Flc'c cock and shake it all about...

ROTFL :)

>> what could be more stupid than that!
>
> Heaps.!
>
> those who think a single engined light plane can land on 100m of runway
> missing a wing
> those who ask if a video, apparently from a game, showing a massive
> truck drive around a snail trail cliff face, is real....
> those who drive their Sprite Mk2a down Geelong Rd, went past an accident
> with 2 wheels on the grass at 100kmh, and survived...
> those who suggested their shitheap EK could do 90mph in 2nd gear
> those who dont know what a cd-r is in relation to stereo (like your
> Monster cable drible...)

Difficult to imagine anyone genuinely being this stupid really :)

> Those who squeal "Oh Xeno, when are you ever wrong!"  Lick Lick.
>
> Of course not to forget your love of Muslims, the solar panels killing
> the sun fiasco....

Lol :)

> But the pièce de résistance....
>
> "I sometimes don't bother to think things thru before I post, that's all"
>
> Nothing's changed, huh?
>
> > what could be more stupid than that!
>
> Lots! Obviously!!

He's far and away the *stupidest* human being I've ever come across.

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On Sat, 9 Oct 2021 11:54:08 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>
>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>
> Let me know when any of them posts anything relevant to polishing
> polycarbonate headlights,

Oh Der Der! You're still not fooling ***ANYONE***. ***EVERYONE*** knows
that you read every post.

alvey

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On 9/10/2021 12:24 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 2:21 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 9/10/2021 3:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 10:57 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good
>>>>>>>>> shaking before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> your ignorance is showing. https://www.productreview.com.au/ is the
>>>> most authoritative site for getting info and opinions about products
>>>> from consumers. ie. ppl who actually use them. I have done reviews
>>>> myself. that's the first point. secondly, if most ppl ie. the vast
>>>> majority, are saying a product is crap, what are the chances that it
>>>> is? here's a clue.. 99.99% certainty it is!
>>>
>>> And how many reviews are actually from ordinary people and not shills
>>> for the manufacturers?
>>
>>
>> 99%. manufacturers reps won't be posting negative reviews will they
>>
>>
> Depends on which manufacturer they are shilling for.

In the case of Brasso the Brasso shills are easy to spot, they are the
very few that give the product 5 stars when everyone else has the same
complaints.

Plus the reviews for Brasso turned sour after they changed the
formula... do you think that is just a coincidence?
Buy hey it and try it for yourself... you'll soon find that it no longer
works.

On 9/10/2021 12:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 9/10/2021 3:11 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 10/9/2021 11:57 AM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 9/10/2021 11:19 am, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 10/8/2021 9:09 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 8/10/2021 8:37 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 11:29 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 8/10/2021 1:09 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, 6 October 2021 at 19:39:34 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually no, the new Brasso is pretty much liquid and doesn't
>>>>>>>>> work at all.
>>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>>>>   Brasso has *always* been a liquid, that requires a good
>>>>>>>> shaking before use. However, a liquid it was/is!.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And it works just fine. Windscreen boy has no fucking idea.....
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It *doesn't* work anymore. The reviews back this up as it turns out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.productreview.com.au/listings/brasso-metal-polish
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Way to go "All Imperial Jeep" boy, you're wrong again!
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>  It`s *on line* so it *must* be a *fact*....UH-HUH!.
>>>
>>>
>>> your ignorance is showing. https://www.productreview.com.au/ is the
>>> most authoritative site for getting info and opinions about products
>>> from consumers. ie. ppl who actually use them. I have done reviews
>>> myself. that's the first point. secondly, if most ppl ie. the vast
>>> majority, are saying a product is crap, what are the chances that it
>>> is? here's a clue.. 99.99% certainty it is!
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> as usual..
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> From lil' echo. (as usual)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> so spake noddy's echo server lol
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  All my *own* opinion cletus. No prizes for second, especially when
>> you steal other ppl`s turn of phrase.
>>
>
>
> you ARE his echo server. the ONLY person who echos posts for him.
>
>

He's never had an original thought in his life, always just a "me too"
echo in gibberish.