On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:20:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>
>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>
>> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme that a
>> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
>> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>
>Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>
>> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>
>> (or there-abouts)
>
>Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>
>Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>
>> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those four
>> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>
>Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>
>Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.

*IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
With the latest VFT
It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
No boarding/checking time

Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
train and main train continue to minor stations.
No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
Melbourne (vice versa)
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

>2016 [sic]:
> |
> | Trump Stuns U.S. Allies with Terrifying Comments About NATO
> |
> | Experts fear his remarks may have made World War III more
> | likely.
> | ...
><https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2016/07/donald-trump-nato>
>
> --bks
>
>

no

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.

>>> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemed
>>> me that a VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra when
>>> travelling from Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!

>> Makes no sense to stop in Albury.

>>> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney

>>> (or there-abouts)

>> Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.

>> Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.

>> Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.

>>> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trains
>>> to those four stops and would still do the trip quicker!

>> Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.

>> Only takes a bit over an hour for me to fly from my place
>> to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.

> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> With the latest VFT
> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa

Still fuck all time saving at an utterly insane cost.

> No boarding/checking time

Makes much more sense to eliminate that with the flying.

Perfecty possible to do that.

> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregatefrom main train
> and main train continue to minor stations.

But are still stuck with the stupidly slow time to the other towns.

And thet VFT cant just reverse with a driver at each end
and while drop off can work, picking up doesn't.

> No taking on dropping off passengers required,between Sydney Melbourne
> (vice versa)

Yes, but still a stupid cost.

On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 13:35:20 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>
>>>>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>
>>>> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemed
>>>> me that a VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra when
>>>> travelling from Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>
>>> Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>
>>>> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>>> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>>> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>
>>>> (or there-abouts)
>
>>> Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>
>>> Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>
>>> Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>
>>>> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trains
>>>> to those four stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>
>>> Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>
>>> Only takes a bit over an hour for me to fly from my place
>>> to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>
>> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>> With the latest VFT
>> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>
>Still fuck all time saving at an utterly insane cost.
>
Cheaper than badgerys creek airport will be
>
>> No boarding/checking time
>
>Makes much more sense to eliminate that with the flying.
>
Why was it put there in first place?
>
>Perfecty possible to do that.
>
>> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregatefrom main train
>> and main train continue to minor stations.
>
>But are still stuck with the stupidly slow time to the other towns.
>
Not on a VFT track the Rear carriges onnce disingaged become VFT's in
their own right 10 minutes to Canberra, etc.

>And thet VFT cant just reverse with a driver at each end
>and while drop off can work, picking up doesn't.
>
They have no need of drivers, Sydney metro don't use drivers
>
>> No taking on dropping off passengers required,between Sydney Melbourne
>> (vice versa)
>
>Yes, but still a stupid cost.
>
What you think a airport costs?
Estimated between $6 and $8 billion, then there are the costs of road
train links to it
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.

>>>>> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemed
>>>>> me that a VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra when
>>>>> travelling from Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!

>>>> Makes no sense to stop in Albury.

>>>>> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>>>> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>>>> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney

>>>>> (or there-abouts)

>>>> Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.

>>>> Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.

>>>> Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.

>>>>> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trains
>>>>> to those four stops and would still do the trip quicker!

>>>> Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.

>>>> Only takes a bit over an hour for me to fly from my place
>>>> to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.

>>> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>>> With the latest VFT
>>> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa

>> Still fuck all time saving at an utterly insane cost.

> Cheaper than badgerys creek airport will be

Dont need badgerys creek airport to do sydney to melburg.

>>> No boarding/checking time

>> Makes much more sense to eliminate that with the flying.

> Why was it put there in first place?

Some moslems blew up some plane in the usa.

They can obviously blow up VFT trains too, even easier.

>> Perfecty possible to do that.

>>> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate
>>> from main train and main train continue to minor stations.

>> But are still stuck with the stupidly slow time to the other towns.

> Not on a VFT track

Fraid so, there will never be VFT tracks to every town.

> the Rear carriges onnce disingaged become VFT'sin their own right 10
> minutes to Canberra, etc.

Just another silly little fantasy. Makes more sense to stop in
sydney, canberra and melburg like the europeans stupidly do.

>> And thet VFT cant just reverse with a driver at each end
>> and while drop off can work, picking up doesn't.

> They have no need of drivers, Sydney metro don't use drivers

Drivers are irrelevant.

>>> No taking on dropping off passengers required,
>>> between Sydney Melbourne (vice versa)

>> Yes, but still a stupid cost.

> What you think a airport costs?

Its there already at all stops.

> Estimated between $6 and $8 billion,

Ours didn't cost anything like that.

> then there are the costs of road train links to it

Ours didn't cost anything like that. And its there already.

On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 11:59:08 UTC+11, petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:20:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
> >
> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >
> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
> >
> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme that a
> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
> >
> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
> >
> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
> >
> >> (or there-abouts)
> >
> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
> >
> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
> >
> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those four
> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
> >
> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
> >
> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> With the latest VFT
> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
> No boarding/checking time

I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train, average speed was around 210kmph.
Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel, and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the latest maglev that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989 period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m, something that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of CO2 hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will revolutionize travel. Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!

Cheers,
Arindam Banerjee

>
> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
> train and main train continue to minor stations.
> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
> Melbourne (vice versa)
> --
> Petzl
> If in doubt kick them out!
> Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!
>
> Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
> a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
> a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
> the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
> character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
> being accepted by their voters, why not?
>
> ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
> *LAST*, Federal State and Council!

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>> petzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>>> >
>>> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
>>> that a
>>> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
>>> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>>> >
>>> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>>> >
>>> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>>> >
>>> >> (or there-abouts)
>>> >
>>> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>>> >
>>> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>>> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>>> >
>>> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those
>>> four
>>> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>>> >
>>> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>>> >
>>> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>>> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>>> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>>> With the latest VFT
>>> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>>> No boarding/checking time
>>
>
>>>
>>> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
>>> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>>> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>>> Melbourne (vice versa)
>>
>> I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
>> average speed was around 210kmph.
>> Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
>> and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>> As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be
>> wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>> 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates maglev
>> that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>> who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>> I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate
>> change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
>> at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>> The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>> period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>> With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>> I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global
>> warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>> something
>> that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of
>> CO2
>> hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>> The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will revolutionize
>> travel.
>> Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>> I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>>
> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>
> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
> were designed for this.

And it would be FAR cheaper to fix the checkin time at the
airport and FAR qucker than that, just an hour and a half.

And that would fix all the other destination times too.

> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours (Track
> Syd/Mel shortened). The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
> Melbourne

Bullshit and if you are stupid enough to care about purported climate
chance, it makes no sense to move between them physically anyway.

> and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week.

And that is completely stupid.

> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jetfuel a hour, turn it
> into carcinogenic soot.

That is another lie. And you wont be powering
a VFT using solar panel or wind turbines anyway.
So the only sensible way to power it if you are
stupid enough to care about emissions is nukes
which cost even more again.

> Respiratory problems in Sydney's airbasin are off the map because of
> this!

Nope, because of cars, stupid.

> <http://www.condellpark.com/bear/smogbasin.htm>

Just because some fool claims something...

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> petzl wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed wrote

>>>>> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
>>>>> that a
>>>>> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
>>>>> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>>>> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>>>> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> (or there-abouts)
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>>>>> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those
>>>>> four
>>>>> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>>>>> >
>>>>> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>>>>> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>>>>> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>>>>> With the latest VFT
>>>>> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>>>>> No boarding/checking time
>>>>
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
>>>>> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>>>>> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>>>>> Melbourne (vice versa)
>>>>
>>>> I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
>>>> average speed was around 210kmph.
>>>> Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
>>>> and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>>>> As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be
>>>> wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>>>> 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates maglev
>>>> that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>>>> who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>>>> I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate
>>>> change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
>>>> at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>>>> The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>>>> period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>>>> With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>>>> I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global
>>>> warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>>>> something
>>>> that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of
>>>> CO2
>>>> hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>>>> The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>>>> revolutionize
>>>> travel.
>>>> Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>>>> I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>>>>
>>> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
>>> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>>> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>>>
>>> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
>>> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
>>> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
>>> were designed for this.
>>
>> And it would be FAR cheaper to fix the checkin time at the
>> airport and FAR qucker than that, just an hour and a half.

>> And that would fix all the other destination times too.

> There are check in times for Griffith airport?

Yes, but that is irrelevant to what needs to be done to
fix that stupid time in the main state capital airports.

>>> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
>>> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours (Track
>>> Syd/Mel shortened). The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
>>> Melbourne

>> Bullshit and if you are stupid enough to care about purported climate
>> chance, it makes no sense to move between them physically anyway.

> In Sydney it is important because all of metropolitan Sydney isin a *Air
> basin* that is being chocked by flights from Melbourne!

You can see using FlightRadar24 that is isn't
chocked by flights to and from Melburg.

That is just mindless VFT spruiker bullshit.

> I don't believe in Worldwide Climate change no!

And even if it was true, and it isnt, even if we shut down
all air travel, power generation and cars in this country it
would have no measurable effect on world climate anyway.

Or our own climate either.

>>> and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week.

>> And that is completely stupid.

> Makes a VFT profitable, lobbyists working for Macquarie bankand paying
> Labor coalition oppose an VFT ever happening
> Filling ones minds with media shit to support their deceit!

>>> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jetfuel a hour, turn it
>>> into carcinogenic soot.

>> That is another lie. And you wont be powering
>> a VFT using solar panel or wind turbines anyway.
>> So the only sensible way to power it if you are
>> stupid enough to care about emissions is nukes
>> which cost even more again.
>>
>>> Respiratory problems in Sydney's airbasin are off the map because of
>>> this!
>>
>> Nope, because of cars, stupid.

> Partly right,

Completely right. The smog didn't go away in the worst of
the covid lockdowns which cancelled all passenger flights.

> Trains around Sydney are reducing this.

Not by enough to matter.

> The major polluters are Aircraft landing in Sydney Airport

Bullshit, The smog didn't go away in the worst of the
covid lockdowns which cancelled all passenger flights.

And takeoffs pollute MUCH more than landings anyway.

>>> <http://www.condellpark.com/bear/smogbasin.htm>

>> Just because some fool claims something...

> He is not a fool,

Corse he is.

> he is a professor at Sydney University

Doesn't stop him being a fool.

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 09:38:10 UTC+11, petzl wrote:
> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:46:23 -0800 (PST), Arindam Banerjee
> <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Friday, 11 March 2022 at 11:59:08 UTC+11, petzl wrote:
> >> On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 04:20:38 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> >> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
> >> >
> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >> >
> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
> >> >
> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme that a
> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
> >> >
> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
> >> >
> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
> >> >
> >> >> (or there-abouts)
> >> >
> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
> >> >
> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
> >> >
> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those four
> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
> >> >
> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
> >> >
> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> >> With the latest VFT
> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
> >> No boarding/checking time
> >
>
> >>
> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
> >
> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
> > average speed was around 210kmph.
> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be
> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates maglev
> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate
> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global
> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m, something
> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of CO2
> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will revolutionize travel.
> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
> >
> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.

Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph then accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different from the usual linear motor.
>
> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
> were designed for this.

My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and be a serious rival to air.
7 hours not good enough.

>
> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours (Track
> Syd/Mel shortened).

That would be great.
Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or highly restricted.
The climate in Melbourne became much cooler with the pandemic cutting down on flights.

The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
> Melbourne and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week.
> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jet fuel a hour, turn it
> into carcinogenic soot. Respiratory problems in Sydney's air basin are
> off the map because of this!

Pollution never helps.

> <http://www.condellpark.com/bear/smogbasin.htm>
> --
> Petzl
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>
> Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
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> That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.
>
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> However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
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Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> petzl wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> petzl wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
>> >> >
>> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>> >> >
>> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
>> that a
>> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
>> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>> >> >
>> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>> >> >
>> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>> >> >
>> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>> >> >
>> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>> >> >
>> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those
>> four
>> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>> >> >
>> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>> >> >
>> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>> >> With the latest VFT
>> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>> >> No boarding/checking time
>> >
>>
>> >>
>> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
>> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>> >
>> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
>> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
>> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be
>> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates maglev
>> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate
>> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
>> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global
>> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>> something
>> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of
>> CO2
>> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>> revolutionize travel.
>> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>> >
>> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
>> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>
> Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph then
> accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
> sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
> superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
> which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
> superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different from
> the usual linear motor.

But even more stupidly expensive and wouldnt get a useful time result for
us.

>> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
>> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
>> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
>> were designed for this.
>
> My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and be
> a serious rival to air.

Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.

> 7 hours not good enough.

>> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
>> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours (Track
>> Syd/Mel shortened).
>
> That would be great.
> Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or highly
> restricted.

Not even possible with international travel and even more
insanely stupid priced if it wasnt just for the capital citys.

> The climate in Melbourne became much coolerwith the pandemic cutting
> down on flights.

In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.

> The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
>> Melbourne and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week.
>> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jet fuel a hour, turn it
>> into carcinogenic soot. Respiratory problems in Sydney's air basin are
>> off the map because of this!

> Pollution never helps.

Thats more pig ignorant bullshit. It would if global warming was real.

>> <http://www.condellpark.com/bear/smogbasin.htm>

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 17:05:47 UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > petzl wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> petzl wrote
> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
> >> that a
> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling from
> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto those
> >> four
> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> >> >> With the latest VFT
> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
> >> >> No boarding/checking time
> >> >
> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
> >> >
> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could be
> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates maglev
> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting climate
> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or global
> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
> >> something
> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud of
> >> CO2
> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
> >> revolutionize travel.
> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
> >> >
> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
> >
> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph then
> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different from
> > the usual linear motor.
> But even more stupidly expensive and wouldnt get a useful time result for
> us.
If the Japanese can, we can, if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.
Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.
One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.
> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
> >> were designed for this.
> >
> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and be
> > a serious rival to air.
> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
All would use it including the Luddite fools.

> > 7 hours not good enough.
>
> >> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
> >> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours (Track
> >> Syd/Mel shortened).
> >
> > That would be great.
> > Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or highly
> > restricted.
> Not even possible with international travel and even more
> insanely stupid priced if it wasnt just for the capital citys.
Stopping international jet air travel is a very good idea as it creates global warming and imbalances.
To save the world it must be banned, and the pandemic clearly shows the benefits of outing jet travel.
It is necesary to have hydrogen fuel for engines, pending my new class of motors also running on hydrogen.
Jet engines are criminal.

>
> > The climate in Melbourne became much coolerwith the pandemic cutting
> > down on flights.
>
> In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.

No idiot, less flights meant less carbon dioxide to increase heat, so there was cooling with cleaner, clearer air. Just as cloudless nights are cooler, as most know.
Other effects are always there.
The weather in Melboutne became much cooler after covid shut down flights.
The CO2 cloud is much more prominent in the Northern hemisphere so they are much more stuffed. The greenhouse effect is so much there with heavy CO2 at 12000m acting like an invisible cloud.

> > The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
> >> Melbourne and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week.
> >> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jet fuel a hour, turn it
> >> into carcinogenic soot. Respiratory problems in Sydney's air basin are
> >> off the map because of this!
>
> > Pollution never helps.
> Thats more pig ignorant bullshit. It would if global warming was real.
Luddite fools will never learn.
Jet engines belching out pollution cannot but create global warming with sudden drastic sideeffects.
The problem is that jet engines are not getting blamed for the elites use them to get around.
So they attack coal and fossil fuel.
The CO2 from them fal back to the ground and gets absorbed.
But the bosses have to pretend to do something and place the blame somewhere.
>
> >> <http://www.condellpark.com/bear/smogbasin.htm>

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > petzl wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> petzl wrote
>> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote

>> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
>> >> that a
>> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
>> from
>> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
>> those
>> >> four
>> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>> >> >> With the latest VFT
>> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>> >> >> No boarding/checking time
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
>> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>> >> >
>> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
>> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
>> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could
>> be
>> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
>> maglev
>> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
>> climate
>> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
>> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
>> global
>> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>> >> something
>> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud
>> of
>> >> CO2
>> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>> >> revolutionize travel.
>> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>> >> >
>> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
>> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>> >
>> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph
>> then
>> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
>> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
>> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
>> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
>> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different
>> from
>> > the usual linear motor.

>> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time result
>> for us.

> If the Japanese can, we can,

Nope, our situation is quite different.

> if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.

> It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.

Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.

> Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.

Pity about the stupid cost of that.

> One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.

It is no different to a plane, stupid.

>> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
>> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
>> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
>> >> were designed for this.
>> >
>> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and
>> be
>> > a serious rival to air.
>> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
>> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.

> All would use it

How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.

> including the Luddite fools.

See above.

>> > 7 hours not good enough.
>>
>> >> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
>> >> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours
>> (Track
>> >> Syd/Mel shortened).
>> >
>> > That would be great.
>> > Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or >
>> highly restricted.

>> Not even possible with international travel and even more
>> insanely stupidly priced if it wasn't just for the capital citys.

> Stopping international jet air travel is a very good idea

Not even possible.

> as it creates global warming and imbalances.

Wrong, as always.

And there is no way that we will have just ships again, you watch.

> To save the world it must be banned,

Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.

> and the pandemic clearly shows the benefits of outing jet travel.

> It is necesary to have hydrogen fuel for engines, pendingmy new class
> of motors also running on hydrogen.

Just another of your pathetic little insane fantasys.

> Jet engines are criminal.

You are brain dead.

>>> The climate in Melbourne became much cooler
>>> with the pandemic cutting down on flights.

>> In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.

> No idiot, less flights meant less carbon dioxide to increase heat, so
> there was cooling with cleaner, clearer air. Just as cloudless nights
> are cooler, as most know.

You'll see in the next La Nina once covid no longer restricts aircraft,

> Other effects are always there.
> The weather in Melboutne became much cooler after covid shut down
> flights.

Nope, La Nina happened and won't last forever.

> The CO2 cloud is much more prominent in the Northernhemisphere so they
> are much more stuffed.

How odd that they didn't get the rain we did.

> The greenhouse effect is so much there with heavy CO2 at 12000m acting
> like an invisible cloud.

How odd that no one in the northern hemispere saw it any cooler.

On Saturday, 12 March 2022 at 19:54:08 UTC+11, Rod Speed wrote:
> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> > Rod Speed wrote
> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> > petzl wrote
> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >>> petzl wrote
> >> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
> >> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
>
> >> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
> >> >> that a
> >> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
> >> from
> >> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
> >> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
> >> those
> >> >> four
> >> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
> >> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
> >> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> >> >> >> With the latest VFT
> >> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
> >> >> >> No boarding/checking time
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
> >> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
> >> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
> >> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
> >> >> >
> >> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
> >> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
> >> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
> >> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
> >> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could
> >> be
> >> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
> >> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
> >> maglev
> >> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
> >> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
> >> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
> >> climate
> >> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
> >> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
> >> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
> >> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
> >> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
> >> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
> >> global
> >> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
> >> >> something
> >> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud
> >> of
> >> >> CO2
> >> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
> >> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
> >> >> revolutionize travel.
> >> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
> >> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
> >> >> >
> >> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
> >> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
> >> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
> >> >
> >> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph
> >> then
> >> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
> >> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
> >> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
> >> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
> >> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different
> >> from
> >> > the usual linear motor.
> >> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time result
> >> for us.
>
> > If the Japanese can, we can,
> Nope, our situation is quite different.

Idiot, that is not the point.
Point was that it is not stupidly expensive as the Japanese did it, and are doing it even better. It should be of course evaluated for cost-effectiveness like any new technology. That using reason and honesty, strong mathematical methods, knowledge of technical and business issues, etc. as opposed to stupid hand-waving with moronic comments.
Luddite fools like you will always oppose something new, for they are incurably stupid and pigheaded. Diseased, no doubt.
Giving them undue prominence leads to disaster.

> > if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
>
> > It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.
> Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
> our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.

Luddite fools are just have enough wit to put up money reasons to obstruct progress.
One can do that for any new work.
Or/And they are sinister elements out to preserve the status quo, for that benefits them.
Or some political angle.

However good governments always have the future to consider.
A VFT just between Melbourne and Sydney is an excellent idea, to replace foul polluting air travel which is tiring as well.

> > Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.
> Pity about the stupid cost of that.

Luddite fools are just have enough wit to put up money reasons to obstruct progress.
One can do that for any new work.
Or they are sinister elements out to preserve the status quo, for that benefits them.
However good governments always have the future to consider.
A VFT just between Melbourne and Sydney is an excellent idea, if only to replace foul polluting air travel which is tiring as well.

> > One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.
> It is no different to a plane, stupid.

Idiot, it is always more comfortable in a train. One gets business class comfort for a much cheaper price. You can do work, move around, eat in restaurants, see the scenery.
Only the biggest fool - or someone who has never flown before - will prefer a plane to a train, provided the overall times are comparable.
It is a question of timing.
After the hydrogen economy takes off, lots of money will be there to spend on non-polluting infrastructure.

> >> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
> >> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours..
> >> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
> >> >> were designed for this.
> >> >
> >> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and
> >> be
> >> > a serious rival to air.
> >> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
> >> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
>
> > All would use it
> How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.

On Sunday, 13 March 2022 at 13:20:59 UTC+11, petzl wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 19:54:01 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> > petzl wrote
> >>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> >>> petzl wrote
> >>> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
> >>> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
> >>> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
> >
> >>> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it seemedme
> >>> >> that a
> >>> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
> >>> from
> >>> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
> >>> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
> >>> those
> >>> >> four
> >>> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
> >>> >> >> >
> >>> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
> >>> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
> >>> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
> >>> >> >> With the latest VFT
> >>> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
> >>> >> >> No boarding/checking time
> >>> >> >
> >>> >>
> >>> >> >>
> >>> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from main
> >>> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
> >>> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
> >>> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
> >>> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
> >>> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our hotel,
> >>> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
> >>> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I could
> >>> be
> >>> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
> >>> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
> >>> maglev
> >>> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
> >>> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
> >>> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
> >>> climate
> >>> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are emitted
> >>> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
> >>> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
> >>> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
> >>> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
> >>> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
> >>> global
> >>> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
> >>> >> something
> >>> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen cloud
> >>> of
> >>> >> CO2
> >>> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
> >>> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
> >>> >> revolutionize travel.
> >>> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
> >>> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
> >>> >> >
> >>> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5 mi)
> >>> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
> >>> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
> >>> >
> >>> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph
> >>> then
> >>> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
> >>> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
> >>> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
> >>> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
> >>> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different
> >>> from
> >>> > the usual linear motor.
> >
> >>> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time result
> >>> for us.
> >
> >> If the Japanese can, we can,
> >
> >Nope, our situation is quite different.
> >
> Well Japans population is 126 million Australia is 20 million but can
> make a VFT profitable providing a better deal than Air travel from
> MEL/SYD get now!
>
> Just SYD/MEL VFT (300 MPH)has already been audited as profitable.
> The killer has been Macquarie bank lobbyists who don't want it so they
> pushed for political stops at barnyard towns in that made it
> uneconomic. In fact even before leaving Sydney there were a number of
> suburbs demanding VFT stops Campbelltown one of them!
> >
> >> if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
> >
> >> It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.
> >
> >Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
> >our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.
> >
> MEL/SYD will be far quicker/cheaper and take you to MEL/SYD city
> centres! plus remove A LOT OF Sydney smog from our struggling air
> basin!
> Major polluter of noise and pollution are domestic MEL/SYD air routes.
> >
> >> Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.
> >
> >Pity about the stupid cost of that.
> >
> 300 mph and faster is already available and cheaper than a XPT
> The real cost is the track
> >
> >> One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.
> >
> >It is no different to a plane, stupid.
> >
> That's not true. You dropped of some people in Sydney then went back
> by train the comfort would not be a problem the time it took yes.
> >
> >>> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle present
> >>> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11 hours.
> >>> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if tracks
> >>> >> were designed for this.
> >>> >
> >>> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off and
> >>> be
> >>> > a serious rival to air.
> >>> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
> >>> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
> >
> >> All would use it
> >
> >How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.
> >
> ?
> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
> they do have the population to feed them.
> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
> >
> >> including the Luddite fools.
> >
> >See above.
> >
> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
> they do have the population to feed them.
> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
> >
> >>> > 7 hours not good enough.
> >>>
> >>> >> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can do at
> >>> >> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours
> >>> (Track
> >>> >> Syd/Mel shortened).
> >>> >
> >>> > That would be great.
> >>> > Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or >
> >>> highly restricted.
> >
> >>> Not even possible with international travel and even more
> >>> insanely stupidly priced if it wasn't just for the capital citys.
> >
> >> Stopping international jet air travel is a very good idea
> >
> >Not even possible.
> >
> Not really a problem yet
> >
> >> as it creates global warming and imbalances.
> >
> >Wrong, as always.
> >
> The problem for Sydney is flights from Syd/Mel are killing hundreds a
> year.
> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aac02a
> >
> >And there is no way that we will have just ships again, you watch.
> >
>
> >
> >> To save the world it must be banned,
> >
> >Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
> >
> Big problem for Europe
> https://flight-radar.eu
> >
> >> and the pandemic clearly shows the benefits of outing jet travel.
> >
> >> It is necesary to have hydrogen fuel for engines, pendingmy new class
> >> of motors also running on hydrogen.
> >
> >Just another of your pathetic little insane fantasys.
> >
> >> Jet engines are criminal.
> >
> >You are brain dead.
> >
> Turning ten tonne of Jet Fuel (kerosene/toluene) into carcinogenic
> soot every hour, over high density populations is a criminal act
> <https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_04/textonly/s01txt.html>
> https://tinyurl.com/yx348s3v
> >
> >>>> The climate in Melbourne became much cooler
> >>>> with the pandemic cutting down on flights.
> >
> >>> In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.
> >
> >> No idiot, less flights meant less carbon dioxide to increase heat, so
> >> there was cooling with cleaner, clearer air. Just as cloudless nights
> >> are cooler, as most know.
> >
> >You'll see in the next La Nina once covid no longer restricts aircraft,
> >
> El Niño (warmer) is usually more common for Australia
> >
> >> Other effects are always there.
> >> The weather in Melboutne became much cooler after covid shut down
> >> flights.
> >
> >Nope, La Nina happened and won't last forever.
> >
> Covid did also, but do believe CO causing climate change a scam

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> > petzl wrote
>>>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> petzl wrote
>>>> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote

>>>> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it
>>>> seemedme
>>>> >> that a
>>>> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
>>>> from
>>>> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little..
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel..
>>>> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
>>>> those
>>>> >> four
>>>> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>>>> >> >> >
>>>> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>>>> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>>>> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>>>> >> >> With the latest VFT
>>>> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>>>> >> >> No boarding/checking time
>>>> >> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from
>>>> main
>>>> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>>>> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>>>> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast train,
>>>> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>>>> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our
>>>> hotel,
>>>> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>>>> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I
>>>> could
>>>> be
>>>> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>>>> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
>>>> maglev
>>>> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>>>> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>>>> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
>>>> climate
>>>> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are
>>>> emitted
>>>> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>>>> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>>>> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>>>> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>>>> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
>>>> global
>>>> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>>>> >> something
>>>> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen
>>>> cloud
>>>> of
>>>> >> CO2
>>>> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>>>> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>>>> >> revolutionize travel.
>>>> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>>>> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177.5
>>>> mi)
>>>> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>>>> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>>>> >
>>>> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph
>>>> then
>>>> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on both
>>>> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
>>>> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage their
>>>> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
>>>> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different
>>>> from
>>>> > the usual linear motor.
>>
>>>> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time result
>>>> for us.
>>
>>> If the Japanese can, we can,

>> Nope, our situation is quite different.

> Well Japans population is 126 million Australia is 20 million

And Australia is vastly bigger than Japan.

> but can make a VFT profitable providing a betterdeal than Air travel
> from MEL/SYD get now!

Nope, the immense cost would never allow it to be profitable.
And when the fares cover the cost of building it, only the
climate change nut cases would be silly enough to pay a lot
more than flying would cost for a much slower trip.

> Just SYD/MEL VFT (300 MPH)has already been audited as profitable.

Bullshit it has.

> The killer has been Macquarie bank lobbyists who don't want itso they
> pushed for political stops at barnyard towns in that made it
> uneconomic.

Non stop or just Canberra as a mid stop would never be profitable.

> In fact even before leaving Sydney there were a number of
> suburbs demanding VFT stops Campbelltown one of them!

>>> if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.

>>> It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.

>> Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
>> our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.

> MEL/SYD will be far quicker/cheaper

Nope on both counts than flying.

> and take you to MEL/SYD city centres! plus remove ALOT OF Sydney smog
> from our struggling air basin!

Fuck all in fact. Given that the vast bulk of it is from cars.

> Major polluter of noise and pollution are domestic MEL/SYD air routes.

That is more pig ignorant bullshit.

>>> Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.

>> Pity about the stupid cost of that.

> 300 mph and faster is already available

Yes, but at a stupid cost.

> and cheaper than a XPT

That's a lie.

> The real cost is the track

And Santa won't be paying for that
and so has to be included in the fare

>>> One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.

>> It is no different to a plane, stupid.

> That's not true.

Corse it is.

> You dropped of some people in Sydney then went back bytrain the comfort
> would not be a problem the time it took yes.

Try that again in english, even google translate doesn't do gobbledegook
yet.

>>>> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle
>>>> present
>>>> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11
>>>> hours.
>>>> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if
>>>> tracks
>>>> >> were designed for this.
>>>> >
>>>> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off
>>>> and
>>>> be
>>>> > a serious rival to air.
>>>> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
>>>> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
>>
>>> All would use it
>>
>> How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> petzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> Rod Speed wrote
>> >>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> > petzl wrote
>> >>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> >>> petzl wrote
>> >>> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >>> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> >>> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
>> >
>> >>> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it
>> seemedme
>> >>> >> that a
>> >>> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
>> >>> from
>> >>> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>> >>> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
>> >>> those
>> >>> >> four
>> >>> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>> >>> >> >> >
>> >>> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>> >>> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>> >>> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>> >>> >> >> With the latest VFT
>> >>> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>> >>> >> >> No boarding/checking time
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> >>
>> >>> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from
>> main
>> >>> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>> >>> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>> >>> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast
>> train,
>> >>> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>> >>> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our
>> hotel,
>> >>> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>> >>> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I
>> could
>> >>> be
>> >>> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>> >>> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
>> >>> maglev
>> >>> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>> >>> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>> >>> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
>> >>> climate
>> >>> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are
>> emitted
>> >>> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>> >>> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the
>> 1989
>> >>> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather.
>> >>> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt..
>> >>> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
>> >>> global
>> >>> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at
>> 12000m,
>> >>> >> something
>> >>> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen
>> cloud
>> >>> of
>> >>> >> CO2
>> >>> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>> >>> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>> >>> >> revolutionize travel.
>> >>> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>> >>> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km
>> (177.5 mi)
>> >>> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>> >>> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using
>> Maglev.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at
>> 160kmph
>> >>> then
>> >>> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on
>> both
>> >>> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
>> >>> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage
>> their
>> >>> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
>> >>> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion.
>> Different
>> >>> from
>> >>> > the usual linear motor.
>> >
>> >>> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time
>> result
>> >>> for us.
>> >
>> >> If the Japanese can, we can,
>> >
>> >Nope, our situation is quite different.
>> >
>> Well Japans population is 126 million Australia is 20 million but can
>> make a VFT profitable providing a better deal than Air travel from
>> MEL/SYD get now!
>>
>> Just SYD/MEL VFT (300 MPH)has already been audited as profitable.
>> The killer has been Macquarie bank lobbyists who don't want it so they
>> pushed for political stops at barnyard towns in that made it
>> uneconomic. In fact even before leaving Sydney there were a number of
>> suburbs demanding VFT stops Campbelltown one of them!
>> >
>> >> if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
>> >
>> >> It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.
>> >
>> >Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
>> >our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.
>> >
>> MEL/SYD will be far quicker/cheaper and take you to MEL/SYD city
>> centres! plus remove A LOT OF Sydney smog from our struggling air
>> basin!
>> Major polluter of noise and pollution are domestic MEL/SYD air routes..
>> >
>> >> Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.
>> >
>> >Pity about the stupid cost of that.
>> >
>> 300 mph and faster is already available and cheaper than a XPT
>> The real cost is the track
>> >
>> >> One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines.
>> >
>> >It is no different to a plane, stupid.
>> >
>> That's not true. You dropped of some people in Sydney then went back
>> by train the comfort would not be a problem the time it took yes.
>> >
>> >>> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle
>> present
>> >>> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11
>> hours.
>> >>> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if
>> tracks
>> >>> >> were designed for this.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take off
>> and
>> >>> be
>> >>> > a serious rival to air.
>> >>> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
>> >>> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
>> >
>> >> All would use it
>> >
>> >How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.
>> >
>> ?
>> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
>> they do have the population to feed them.
>> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
>> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
>> >
>> >> including the Luddite fools.
>> >
>> >See above.
>> >
>> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
>> they do have the population to feed them.
>> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
>> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
>> >
>> >>> > 7 hours not good enough.
>> >>>
>> >>> >> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can
>> do at
>> >>> >> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours
>> >>> (Track
>> >>> >> Syd/Mel shortened).
>> >>> >
>> >>> > That would be great.
>> >>> > Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned or
>> >
>> >>> highly restricted.
>> >
>> >>> Not even possible with international travel and even more
>> >>> insanely stupidly priced if it wasn't just for the capital citys.
>> >
>> >> Stopping international jet air travel is a very good idea
>> >
>> >Not even possible.
>> >
>> Not really a problem yet
>> >
>> >> as it creates global warming and imbalances.
>> >
>> >Wrong, as always.
>> >
>> The problem for Sydney is flights from Syd/Mel are killing hundreds a
>> year.
>> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aac02a
>> >
>> >And there is no way that we will have just ships again, you watch.
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >> To save the world it must be banned,
>> >
>> >Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>> >
>> Big problem for Europe
>> https://flight-radar.eu
>> >
>> >> and the pandemic clearly shows the benefits of outing jet travel.
>> >
>> >> It is necesary to have hydrogen fuel for engines, pendingmy new class
>> >> of motors also running on hydrogen.
>> >
>> >Just another of your pathetic little insane fantasys.
>> >
>> >> Jet engines are criminal.
>> >
>> >You are brain dead.
>> >
>> Turning ten tonne of Jet Fuel (kerosene/toluene) into carcinogenic
>> soot every hour, over high density populations is a criminal act
>> <https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_04/textonly/s01txt.html>
>> https://tinyurl.com/yx348s3v
>> >
>> >>>> The climate in Melbourne became much cooler
>> >>>> with the pandemic cutting down on flights.
>> >
>> >>> In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.
>> >
>> >> No idiot, less flights meant less carbon dioxide to increase heat, so
>> >> there was cooling with cleaner, clearer air. Just as cloudless nights
>> >> are cooler, as most know.
>> >
>> >You'll see in the next La Nina once covid no longer restricts aircraft,
>> >
>> El Niño (warmer) is usually more common for Australia
>> >
>> >> Other effects are always there.
>> >> The weather in Melboutne became much cooler after covid shut down
>> >> flights.
>> >
>> >Nope, La Nina happened and won't last forever.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> > Rod Speed wrote
>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> > petzl wrote
>> >> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >>> petzl wrote
>> >> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>> >> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> >> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
>>
>> >> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it
>> seemedme
>> >> >> that a
>> >> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra whentravelling
>> >> from
>> >> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>> >> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so little.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air travel.
>> >> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal' trainsto
>> >> those
>> >> >> four
>> >> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>> >> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>> >> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>> >> >> >> With the latest VFT
>> >> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>> >> >> >> No boarding/checking time
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate from
>> main
>> >> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>> >> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between Sydney
>> >> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast
>> train,
>> >> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>> >> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our
>> hotel,
>> >> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>> >> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I
>> could
>> >> be
>> >> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>> >> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the lates
>> >> maglev
>> >> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>> >> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>> >> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
>> >> climate
>> >> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are
>> emitted
>> >> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>> >> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the 1989
>> >> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet weather..
>> >> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>> >> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change or
>> >> global
>> >> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at 12000m,
>> >> >> something
>> >> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen
>> cloud
>> >> of
>> >> >> CO2
>> >> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>> >> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>> >> >> revolutionize travel.
>> >> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>> >> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km (177..5
>> mi)
>> >> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to Osaka.
>> >> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using Maglev.
>> >> >
>> >> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at 160kmph
>> >> then
>> >> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on
>> both
>> >> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
>> >> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage
>> their
>> >> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
>> >> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion. Different
>> >> from
>> >> > the usual linear motor.
>> >> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time result
>> >> for us.
>>
>> > If the Japanese can, we can,

>> Nope, our situation is quite different.

> Idiot, that is not the point.

We'll see...

> Point was that it is not stupidly expensive as the Japanese did it,

The point is that Japan is MUCH smaller than Australia and so it would
be stupidly expensive for us, even if we just did between the capital
citys.

> and are doing it even better. It should be of course evaluated for
> cost-effectiveness like any new technology.

And it never will be compared with flying here.

In spades with between the non capital citys.

> That using reason and honesty, strong mathematical methods, knowledge of
> technical and business issues, etc. as opposed to stupid hand-waving
> with moronic comments.

Yours are the moronic hand waving comments.

> Luddite fools like you will always oppose something new,

I don't oppose VFTs where they make sense like
in Japan, part of China and western europe.

> for they are incurably stupid and pigheaded. Diseased, no doubt.
> Giving them undue prominence leads to disaster.

>> > if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
>>
>> > It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.

>> Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
>> our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.

> Luddite fools are just have enough wit to put up money reasons to
> obstruct progress.

It isnt progress to fuck up the land where the VFT
goes to produce a longer travel time than flying.

> One can do that for any new work.
> Or/And they are sinister elements out to preserve the status quo, for
> that benefits them.
> Or some political angle.

More of your mindless bullshit.

> However good governments always have the future to consider.

And thats why we haven't been stupid enough to go for any VFT.

> A VFT just between Melbourne and Sydney is an excellent idea,

Bullshit it is given the stupid cost and fucking over where it goes.

> to replace foul polluting air travel

More of your mindless bullshit.

> which is tiring as well.

More of your mindless bullshit given that it takes longer than flying.

>> > Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.

>> Pity about the stupid cost of that.

> Luddite fools are just have enough wit to put up money reasons to
> obstruct progress.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> wrote
>>> petzl wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> >>> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> > petzl wrote
>>>> >>> >> Arindam Banerjee <banerjee...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> >>> petzl wrote
>>>> >>> >>>> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> >>> >> >> >Daniel65 <dani...@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >>> No chance. Not even with say Sydney/Melburg.
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >> For over 25 years, I lived just outside Wodonga and it
>>>> seemedme
>>>> >>> >> that a
>>>> >>> >> >> >> VFT that stopped at just Albury and Canberra
>>>> whentravelling
>>>> >>> from
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Melbourne to Sydney would be a reasonable trip!
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >Makes no sense to stop in Albury.
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Melbourne to Albury.
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Albury to Canberra
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Hour and a half - Canberra to Sydney
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >> (or there-abouts)
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >Still stupidly expensive to reduce the travel time so
>>>> little.
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >Makes more sense to reduce the boarding time with air
>>>> travel.
>>>> >>> >> >> >Perfectly possible to do that for FAR less money.
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >> Other townships along the way could have 'normal'
>>>> trainsto
>>>> >>> those
>>>> >>> >> four
>>>> >>> >> >> >> stops and would still do the trip quicker!
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >Makes much more sense for them to fly, as they do now.
>>>> >>> >> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >> >Only takes a bit over and hour for me to fly from my place
>>>> >>> >> >> >to Sydney or Melburg, half a fucking day by train.
>>>> >>> >> >> *IF* the latest VFT track Sydney to Melbourne were to happen
>>>> >>> >> >> With the latest VFT
>>>> >>> >> >> It would then take 2 hours to Melbourne and vice versa
>>>> >>> >> >> No boarding/checking time
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >>
>>>> >>> >> >>
>>>> >>> >> >> Albury Canberra The latest VFT train carriages segregate
>>>> from
>>>> main
>>>> >>> >> >> train and main train continue to minor stations.
>>>> >>> >> >> No taking on dropping off passengers required, between
>>>> Sydney
>>>> >>> >> >> Melbourne (vice versa)
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> >I travelled from St Petersburg to Moscow by their superfast
>>>> train,
>>>> >>> >> > average speed was around 210kmph.
>>>> >>> >> >Great experience, no stops. The station was just opposite our
>>>> hotel,
>>>> >>> >> > and our tour bus was waiting in Moscow.
>>>> >>> >> > As I remember it took about 5 hours. From 10am to 3pm, but I
>>>> could
>>>> >>> be
>>>> >>> >> > wrong here. Very pleasant journey.
>>>> >>> >> > 2 hours as you say sounds optimistic, unless you have the
>>>> lates
>>>> >>> maglev
>>>> >>> >> > that Japan has. Goes at 500 kmph, as per one of the designers
>>>> >>> >> > who gave a talk in the SMART2015 conference.
>>>> >>> >> > I am sure it will be a hit, and will help greatly in fighting
>>>> >>> climate
>>>> >>> >> > change. Most bad happens when CO2 and other heavy gases are
>>>> emitted
>>>> >>> >> > at 12000m, and take a long while to come down to Earth.
>>>> >>> >> > The pandemic has brought back Melbourne weather back to the
>>>> 1989
>>>> >>> >> > period when I came here, and really enjoyed the sweet
>>>> weather.
>>>> >>> >> > With more flights, it will become bad again, I have no doubt.
>>>> >>> >> > I have long said that the main culprit behind climate change
>>>> or
>>>> >>> global
>>>> >>> >> > warming is constant pollution by jet engine exhausts, at
>>>> 12000m,
>>>> >>> >> something
>>>> >>> >> > that never happened before. Right now we have like an unseen
>>>> cloud
>>>> >>> of
>>>> >>> >> CO2
>>>> >>> >> > hovering above, creating the greenhouse effect.
>>>> >>> >> > The only way out is the Internal Force Engine, which will
>>>> >>> >> revolutionize travel.
>>>> >>> >> > Ultrafast, in near space, no exhausts.
>>>> >>> >> > I am glad to say, I am making progress on that front!
>>>> >>> >> >
>>>> >>> >> The Japanese Maglev was designed in 2011 travel a 285.6 km
>>>> (177.5 mi)
>>>> >>> >> (Shinagawa–Nagoya) track, but are building track Tokyo to
>>>> Osaka.
>>>> >>> >> presently 6 hours with existing train will be 1 hour using
>>>> Maglev.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > Amazing, their technology. The train lifts off tge track at
>>>> 160kmph
>>>> >>> then
>>>> >>> > accelerates using electromagnetic forces. There are barriers on
>>>> both
>>>> >>> > sides containing metal wires in a certain shape. The verh high
>>>> >>> > superconducting currents whose magnetic fiekd induce a voltage
>>>> their
>>>> >>> > which in turn creates a magnetic field interacting with the high
>>>> >>> > superconducting current causing both lift and propulsion.
>>>> Different
>>>> >>> from
>>>> >>> > the usual linear motor.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> But even more stupidly expensive andwouldn't get a useful time
>>>> result
>>>> >>> for us.
>>>> >
>>>> >> If the Japanese can, we can,
>>>> >
>>>> >Nope, our situation is quite different.
>>>> >
>>>> Well Japans population is 126 million Australia is 20 million but can
>>>> make a VFT profitable providing a better deal than Air travel from
>>>> MEL/SYD get now!
>>>>
>>>> Just SYD/MEL VFT (300 MPH)has already been audited as profitable.
>>>> The killer has been Macquarie bank lobbyists who don't want it so they
>>>> pushed for political stops at barnyard towns in that made it
>>>> uneconomic. In fact even before leaving Sydney there were a number of
>>>> suburbs demanding VFT stops Campbelltown one of them!
>>>> >
>>>> >> if we don't listen to Luddite cretins.
>>>> >
>>>> >> It will totally replace time wasting and polluting air travel.
>>>> >
>>>> >Nope, it is FAR too expensive even between
>>>> >our capital citys, let alone everywhere else.
>>>> >
>>>> MEL/SYD will be far quicker/cheaper and take you to MEL/SYD city
>>>> centres! plus remove A LOT OF Sydney smog from our struggling air
>>>> basin!
>>>> Major polluter of noise and pollution are domestic MEL/SYD air routes.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Going at 500 kmph will be some experience.
>>>> >
>>>> >Pity about the stupid cost of that.
>>>> >
>>>> 300 mph and faster is already available and cheaper than a XPT
>>>> The real cost is the track
>>>> >
>>>> >> One can even do good work there, not being cramped like sardines..
>>>> >
>>>> >It is no different to a plane, stupid.
>>>> >
>>>> That's not true. You dropped of some people in Sydney then went back
>>>> by train the comfort would not be a problem the time it took yes.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> >> But just upgrading existing Sydney/Melbourne track to handle
>>>> present
>>>> >>> >> trains speed, the existing trains 900 km, at present takes 11
>>>> hours.
>>>> >>> >> XPT is rated for 160 km/h which brings time down to 7 hours if
>>>> tracks
>>>> >>> >> were designed for this.
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > My gut feeling is that it should take 4 hours at most to take
>>>> off
>>>> and
>>>> >>> be
>>>> >>> > a serious rival to air.
>>>> >>> Still wouldnt be given the fact that the fares would have to be
>>>> >>> more than the air fare and only the climate fools would use it.
>>>> >
>>>> >> All would use it
>>>> >
>>>> >How odd that that doesnt happen in europe.
>>>> >
>>>> ?
>>>> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
>>>> they do have the population to feed them.
>>>> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
>>>> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
>>>> >
>>>> >> including the Luddite fools.
>>>> >
>>>> >See above.
>>>> >
>>>> All trains in UK-France, Germany. are VFT and very well patronized but
>>>> they do have the population to feed them.
>>>> <https://www.trenitalia.com/en/frecce/frecciarossa.html>
>>>> MEL/SYD have this capacity too.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> > 7 hours not good enough.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> >> Yes *IF* CO2 emissions are a concern a VFT a real one that can
>>>> do at
>>>> >>> >> least twice the speed 320 km/h would bring time down to 3 hours
>>>> >>> (Track
>>>> >>> >> Syd/Mel shortened).
>>>> >>> >
>>>> >>> > That would be great.
>>>> >>> > Air travel as is now with polluting jet engines must be banned
>>>> or
>>>> >
>>>> >>> highly restricted.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Not even possible with international travel and even more
>>>> >>> insanely stupidly priced if it wasn't just for the capital citys.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Stopping international jet air travel is a very good idea
>>>> >
>>>> >Not even possible.
>>>> >
>>>> Not really a problem yet
>>>> >
>>>> >> as it creates global warming and imbalances.
>>>> >
>>>> >Wrong, as always.
>>>> >
>>>> The problem for Sydney is flights from Syd/Mel are killing hundreds a
>>>> year.
>>>> https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1748-9326/aac02a
>>>> >
>>>> >And there is no way that we will have just ships again, you watch.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> >
>>>> >> To save the world it must be banned,
>>>> >
>>>> >Even sillier than you usually manage and that's saying something.
>>>> >
>>>> Big problem for Europe
>>>> https://flight-radar.eu
>>>> >
>>>> >> and the pandemic clearly shows the benefits of outing jet travel..
>>>> >
>>>> >> It is necesary to have hydrogen fuel for engines, pendingmy new
>>>> class
>>>> >> of motors also running on hydrogen.
>>>> >
>>>> >Just another of your pathetic little insane fantasys.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Jet engines are criminal.
>>>> >
>>>> >You are brain dead.
>>>> >
>>>> Turning ten tonne of Jet Fuel (kerosene/toluene) into carcinogenic
>>>> soot every hour, over high density populations is a criminal act
>>>> <https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_04/textonly/s01txt.html>
>>>> https://tinyurl.com/yx348s3v
>>>> >
>>>> >>>> The climate in Melbourne became much cooler
>>>> >>>> with the pandemic cutting down on flights.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> In fact that was swamped by La Nina, stupid.
>>>> >
>>>> >> No idiot, less flights meant less carbon dioxide to increase heat,
>>>> so
>>>> >> there was cooling with cleaner, clearer air. Just as cloudless
>>>> nights
>>>> >> are cooler, as most know.
>>>> >
>>>> >You'll see in the next La Nina once covid no longer restricts
>>>> aircraft,
>>>> >
>>>> El Niño (warmer) is usually more common for Australia
>>>> >
>>>> >> Other effects are always there.
>>>> >> The weather in Melboutne became much cooler after covid shut down
>>>> >> flights.
>>>> >
>>>> >Nope, La Nina happened and won't last forever.
>>
>>>> Covid did also, but do believe CO causing climate change a scam
>>>
>>> yes, it is a scam when they are talking about emissions on the ground.
>>> At 10000m, another matter, about which the great-great chaps are quiet.
>>
>>>> Explained very well with "Yes prime minister"
>>>> https://vimeo.com/231081036
>>>> Yes Prime Minister Global Warming etc Part 2
>>>> Part 1 is good also
>>>> https://player.vimeo.com/video/124391891
>>>> Yes Prime Minister Global Warming etc Part 1 - Vimeo
>>>> >
>>>> >> The CO2 cloud is much more prominent in the Northernhemisphere so
>>>> they
>>>> >> are much more stuffed.
>>>> >
>>>> >How odd that they didn't get the rain we did.
>>>> >
>>>> Since they started Sydney's Desal plant the rain hasn't stopped!
>>>> As I said it would
>>>> Turn it off drought begins
>>>> >
>>>> >> The greenhouse effect is so much there with heavy CO2 at 12000m
>>>> acting
>>>> >> like an invisible cloud.
>>>> >
>>>> >How odd that no one in the northern hemispere saw it any cooler.
>>>> >
>>>> ? haven't they?
>>>> >
>>>> >>> > The busiest air route in the world is Sydney
>>>> >>> >> Melbourne and vice versa is normally over 500 flights a week..
>>>> >>> >> Each or these jet aircraft burn 10 tonnes of jet fuel a hour,
>>>> turn it
>>>> >>> >> into carcinogenic soot. Respiratory problems in Sydney's air
>>>> basin
>>>> >>> are
>>>> >>> >> off the map because of this!
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> > Pollution never helps.
>>>> >
>>>> >>> Thats more pig ignorant bullshit. It would if global warming was
>>>> real.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Luddite fools will never learn.
>>>> >
>>>> >Yep, you clowns actually are that stupid.
>>>> >
>>>> >> Jet engines belching out pollution cannot but createglobal warming
>>>> with
>>>> >> sudden drastic sideeffects.
>>>> >
>>>> >How odd that we aren't seeing any warming now
>>>> >that the planes are back to normal again.
>>>> >
>>>> Never happened to begin with.
>>>> But the air became breathable
>>>> >
>>>> >> The problem is that jet engines are not gettingblamed for the
>>>> elites
>>>> >> use them to get around.
>>>> >
>>>> >It isnt just the elites that use them, stupid.
>>>> >
>>>> >> So they attack coal and fossil fuel.
>>>> >> The CO2 from them fal back to the ground and gets absorbed.
>>>> >
>>>> >Just as true of jet engines, stupid.
>>>> >
>>>> Jets just make very fine soot particals
>>>> >
>>>> >> But the bosses have to pretend to do somethingand place the blame
>>>> >> somewhere.
>>>> >
>>>> >And fools like you believe that there never was any moon
>>>> >landing, even tho we can still see what was left there.
>>>> >
>>>> Pope Saint Paul VI saw the landing from the Vaticans telescope.
>>>> Actually he saw the Apollo 11 Command Module leaving 24 July 1969.
>>>> 26th in Australia
>>
>>> Holy people have visions denied others.
>>
>> Pathetic.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Nope, our situation is quite different.

>>> Idiot, that is not the point.

>> We'll see...

>>> Point was that it is not stupidly expensive as the Japanese did it,

>> The point is that Japan is MUCH smaller than Australiaand so it would
>> be stupidly expensive for us, even if wejust did between the capital
>> citys.

And even if we just did Sydney Melburg.

>>> and are doing it even better. It should be of courseevaluated for
>>> cost-effectiveness like any new technology.

>> And it never will be compared with flying here.

>> In spades with between the non capital citys.

> Japan is very long country distance between Tokyoto Hiroshima (812 km)
> is near the same as Sydney toMelbourne by car 878 km, by Train 1125 km .

And has vastly more people to use their VFTs.

> Leave Tokyo at 8am and you are in Hiroshima by lunch (12pm) quicker

That is mindless bullshit. Sydney Melburg is only 90 mins by air.

> and cheaper than by Air.

That would not be true here either.

> The train is very profitable,

And wouldn't be here given that only climate nut cases
would actually be stupid enough to pay much more and
for the trip to take much longer than when flying.

> comfortable, plenty of excellent food and drink available

Don't need either with a 90 minute flight.

> and Thats from city to city.

> Not a airport another 4 hours away.

Melberg isn't 4 hours away.

> As will be the case for the $20 billion airport at Badgerys Creek NSW,

> another $20 billion if they build one like it, in Melbourne's outskirts.

Not needed there.

Rod Speed wrote on 14/3/22 12:15 pm:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

<Snip>

>> As will be the case for the $20 billion airport at Badgerys Creek
>> NSW,
>
>> another $20 billion if they build one like it, in Melbourne's
>> outskirts.
>
> Not needed there.

Not needed there .... as Tullamarine Airport *IS* already on Melbourne's
outskirts!!

It used to be 'out in the sticks'!!
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> As will be the case for the $20 billion airport at Badgerys Creek NSW,

>>> another $20 billion if they build one like it, in Melbourne's
>>> outskirts.

>> Not needed there.

> Not needed there .... as Tullamarine Airport *IS* already on
> Melbourne's outskirts!!

And because Melburg won't need another any time soon.

> It used to be 'out in the sticks'!!

- snip-

The below statement by Rod Speed depicts that extraordinary arsehole's belated self-realization.

> Pathetic.

It takes all sorts, so we have Rod That creature has its uses. So, used it.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> As will be the case for the $20 billion airport at Badgerys Creek
>>>> NSW,

>>>> another $20 billion if they build one like it, in Melbourne's
>>>> outskirts.

>>> Not needed there.

>> Not needed there .... as Tullamarine Airport *IS* already on Melbourne's
>> outskirts!!

>> It used to be 'out in the sticks'!!

> So was Mascot when it was built!

> Melbourne Cbd and Tullamarine Airport 23 min (20.7 km) via M2
> Sydney cbd from Badgerys Creek 47 min (53.1 km) via M4
> Both are by car routes

What matters is the time from where a person lives, not from the CBD.

Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> spewed
just the usual pathetic shit that is all that it can ever manage.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@eternal-september.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>>>> As will be the case for the $20 billion airport at Badgerys Creek
>>>>>> NSW,

>>>>>> another $20 billion if they build one like it, in Melbourne's
>>>>>> outskirts.

>>>>> Not needed there.

>>>> Not needed there .... as Tullamarine Airport *IS* already on
>>>> Melbourne's outskirts!!

>>>> It used to be 'out in the sticks'!!

>>> So was Mascot when it was built!

>>> Melbourne Cbd and Tullamarine Airport 23 min (20.7 km) via M2
>>> Sydney cbd from Badgerys Creek 47 min (53.1 km) via M4
>>> Both are by car routes

>> What matters is the time from where a person lives, not from the CBD.

> Not for Sydney,

Fraid so.

> a survey some years ago found most, 80% of those using
> Sydney Airport were from North shore for Business reasons.

That is complete and utter mindless bullshit. And even when it
is for business reasons, they mostly go from their house to the
airport anyway, not via the CBD and most businesses are no
longer in the CBD anyway.