On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 1:22 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 8:09 am, lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>
>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>
>>> and:
>>>
>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>> people."
>>>
>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>
> Most people from that part of the world are.
>
>
>
ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about 30klms
from Belgrade.

--
Daryl

On 7/1/22 1:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>> lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>
>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>
>>> and:
>>>
>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>> people."
>>>
>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>
>>
>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>
> The conditions that need to be met to enter the country come under
> Federal authority, but I'd personally be putting the blame for this in
> Novak's camp. They're the ones who applied for the visa.
>
>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>
> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>
>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>
> Can't comment on that, but if other people have been kicked out of the
> country for the same issues then he should be too. As Rafael Nadal was
> quoted as saying in this morning's paper, "He could have avoided all
> this by just being vaccinated".
>
>

I heard him say that on the news, he was very diplomatic but he was also
spot on.

--
Daryl

On 7/1/22 11:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 2:29 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>>
>>>>> and:
>>>>>
>>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>>> people."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>>
>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>>
>>>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>>>>
>>> I got the impression he was issued the visa with the proviso he provide
>>> substantive proof on arrival. He was asked for it, he was unable to
>>> supply anything other than a couple of reccomendations.
>>
>> Contradictory media reports only serve to confuse the issue but I
>> would've thought he'd need his visa to be fully approved before he
>> could enter the country.
>>
>> Visas are also a sore point with me as  I'm currently waiting on a
>> subclass 496 visa for a diesel mechanic for which the application was
>> lodged in April 2021 through a solicitor who specialises in visa
>> applications.  Originally told it would normally take three weeks to
>> process but covid has thrown the situation into chaos.
>>
>> In the case of the 496 visa the relevant state government needs to
>> endorse the application but the feds still have issue it... as I'd
>> expect to be the case with Djokovic even if the respective governments
>> are prepared to short circuit the application process for Tennis
>> Australia.
>>
> Most visas that I have had are only the first step, you then have to
> front up to immigration and prove what you said on your application. The
> application is only checked by a computer program, you don't usually
> have to provide proof at that point.

Plenty of people have turned up at a country's airport with a valid visa
and been rejected once they got off the plane. Very common scenario.
They have to match the visa details and, if they don't, it's bye bye.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/1/22 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>
>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>
>>>> and:
>>>>
>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>> people."
>>>>
>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>
>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>
>> The conditions that need to be met to enter the country come under
>> Federal authority, but I'd personally be putting the blame for this in
>> Novak's camp. They're the ones who applied for the visa.
>
> Since when does a visa application allow the applicant to enter the
> country?
> >
>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>
>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>
> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
> needed to get in.

They (the one who issued the visa) could have feed false information.
Apparently his basis for a medical exception was that he had had Covid
6mths ago therefore he didn't need to be vaccinated because he already
had immunity.

--
Daryl

On 7/1/22 3:29 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>
>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>
>>>> and:
>>>>
>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>> people."
>>>>
>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>
>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>
>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>
>>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>>>
>> I got the impression he was issued the visa with the proviso he provide
>> substantive proof on arrival. He was asked for it, he was unable to
>> supply anything other than a couple of reccomendations.
>
> Contradictory media reports only serve to confuse the issue but I
> would've thought he'd need his visa to be fully approved before he
> could enter the country.

Has he technically "entered the country" if he hasn't cleared immigration?
I would think not, he may be on Australian soil but he's not free to go
about his business.

--
Daryl

On 7/1/22 11:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 1:22 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 8:09 am, lindsay wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to
>>>> its knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>
>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>
>>>> and:
>>>>
>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and
>>>> Serbian people."
>>>>
>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>
>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>>
>>
>>
> ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
> Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about 30klms
> from Belgrade.
>
Speaking of not having a clue. Surely you mean *Romanian*.
All these years of marriage and you *still* can't spell her nationality.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 7/01/2022 11:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/1/22 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:

>>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>>
>> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
>> needed to get in.
>
> They (the one who issued the visa) could have feed false information.
> Apparently his basis for a medical exception was that he had had Covid
> 6mths ago therefore he didn't need to be vaccinated because he already
> had immunity.

Which is fucked up, and just him trying to play the authorities here
like mugs if you ask me.

He would have known all this well in advance....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/01/2022 11:13 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 12:34 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>
>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>
> Serbs certainly are look at their recent history of killing anybody they
> didn't like.

Not just Serbs. A lot of Europe actually. Germans hate the French. The
French hate the English. The English, French, Russians and just about
everyone else in Europe hate the Germans :) Greeks and Macedonians hate
each other with a passion, but when you ask either why that is they
can't tell you other than it's been bred into them for generations and
it's expected.

My favourite are Maltese. Not Europe, but fucking whackjobs nonetheless.
A county the size of Ballarat where one half of the population wants to
stab the other half to death on a daily basis.

When I lived in Altona I had two Maltese neighbours. One family right
next door, and one on the other side of them. I got on with both of them
well, but they *hated* each other with a passion. They'd be forever
yelling and screaming at each other, throwing things at each other over
the fence, and just generally carrying on like fuckwits. The best one of
all was after years of fighting and arguing they finally agreed to get a
new colourbond fence between them, and after it went up they argued with
each other for 6 months about it being 2 inches too far over than it
should have been.

So, once Wog A loaded up his caravan and went down to the coast for his
annual trip, Wog B pulled down the entire fence and moved it over onto
Wog A's side by 2 inches :)

Fucking mental. The cunts were smacking each other with shovels when Wog
A came home and saw what he did :)

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--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 7/01/2022 11:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:

>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>
>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>>
>>
>>
> ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
> Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about 30klms
> from Belgrade.

Farking hell. No chance of winning an argument there :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/1/22 12:33 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 11:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>>
>>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
>> Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about 30klms
>> from Belgrade.
>
> Farking hell. No chance of winning an argument there :)
>
>
>
I've long given up trying:-)

--
Daryl

On 8/1/22 12:21 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 7/01/2022 11:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>
>>>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>>>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>>>
>>> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
>>> needed to get in.
>>
>> They (the one who issued the visa) could have feed false information.
>> Apparently his basis for a medical exception was that he had had Covid
>> 6mths ago therefore he didn't need to be vaccinated because he already
>> had immunity.
>
> Which is fucked up, and just him trying to play the authorities here
> like mugs if you ask me.
>

Seems that way when are rules are all easy to find and well documented.

> He would have known all this well in advance....
>
>
No doubt about it, possibly he's so rich that his minions look after
such boring details but its difficult to believe that he didn't know.
Apparently its also been reported that he is an outspoken anti vaxxer in
Serbia.

--
Daryl

keithr0 wrote:
>On 7/01/2022 2:29 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>>
>>>>> and:
>>>>>
>>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>>> people."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>
>>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>>
>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>>
>>>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>>>>
>>> I got the impression he was issued the visa with the proviso he provide
>>> substantive proof on arrival. He was asked for it, he was unable to
>>> supply anything other than a couple of reccomendations.
>>
>> Contradictory media reports only serve to confuse the issue but I
>> would've thought he'd need his visa to be fully approved before he
>> could enter the country.
>>
>> Visas are also a sore point with me as I'm currently waiting on a
>> subclass 496 visa for a diesel mechanic for which the application was
>> lodged in April 2021 through a solicitor who specialises in visa
>> applications. Originally told it would normally take three weeks to
>> process but covid has thrown the situation into chaos.
>>
>> In the case of the 496 visa the relevant state government needs to
>> endorse the application but the feds still have issue it... as I'd
>> expect to be the case with Djokovic even if the respective governments
>> are prepared to short circuit the application process for Tennis
>> Australia.
>>
>Most visas that I have had are only the first step, you then have to
>front up to immigration and prove what you said on your application. The
>application is only checked by a computer program, you don't usually
>have to provide proof at that point.

My own experience with a recent 496 application is that the proof has
to accompany the application. Covid has changed the rules
considerably and I'd be somewhat surprised if that doesn't apply
across the board.

--
John H

Daryl wrote:
>On 7/1/22 3:29 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Xeno wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>>
>>>>> and:
>>>>>
>>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>>> people."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>
>>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>>
>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>>
>>>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>>>>
>>> I got the impression he was issued the visa with the proviso he provide
>>> substantive proof on arrival. He was asked for it, he was unable to
>>> supply anything other than a couple of reccomendations.
>>
>> Contradictory media reports only serve to confuse the issue but I
>> would've thought he'd need his visa to be fully approved before he
>> could enter the country.
>
>Has he technically "entered the country" if he hasn't cleared immigration?
>I would think not, he may be on Australian soil but he's not free to go
>about his business.

The normal procedure is for new arrivals who don't have the
appropriate documentation is to put them on the next plane out.
IOW Djokovic would've needed to have a visa to get past the airport
the validity of which has been contested since it was issued.

--
John H

Daryl wrote:

>On 7/1/22 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>>> On 7/01/2022 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>>
>>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>>
>>>>> and:
>>>>>
>>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>>> people."
>>>>>
>>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>
>>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>
>>> The conditions that need to be met to enter the country come under
>>> Federal authority, but I'd personally be putting the blame for this in
>>> Novak's camp. They're the ones who applied for the visa.
>>
>> Since when does a visa application allow the applicant to enter the
>> country?
>> >
>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>
>>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>>
>> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
>> needed to get in.
>
>They (the one who issued the visa) could have feed false information.
>Apparently his basis for a medical exception was that he had had Covid
>6mths ago therefore he didn't need to be vaccinated because he already
>had immunity.

The catch being that there is no provision for a medical exemption
(medical exemptions only apply in domestic situations where an
employer has mandated vaccinations). Whoever issued his visa has
overlooked the rules, hence the stuff up.

Is also appears that Tennis Australia, who're now keeping very quiet,
would've advised Djokovic to apply for a visa on the basis of a
medical exemption in spite of being informed by the feds that the
rules were... no vaccination, no entry. They also neglected to tell
the Vic Government about the advice they'd received.

--
John H

F Murtz wrote:

>On 7/1/22 4:38 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 7/1/22 3:29 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 7/1/22 11:32 am, John_H wrote:
>>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Morrison and his like have dared attack Novak to bring Serbia to its
>>>>>> knees," Mr Djokovic said.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "To it's knees"? WTF? But the fruitcake didnt say *why*...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "They're stomping all over Novak to stomp all over Serbia and Serbian
>>>>>> people."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Huh? ramblings of a man with severe issues...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/novak-djokovic-dad-says-deportation-is-politically-motivated/100743158
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Clearly there's been a stuff up at some level of government, whether
>>>>> it be the Vics or the Feds (I'm inclined to suspect the Feds).
>>>>>
>>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nor is it likely to be an isolated case.
>>>>>
>>>> I got the impression he was issued the visa with the proviso he provide
>>>> substantive proof on arrival. He was asked for it, he was unable to
>>>> supply anything other than a couple of reccomendations.
>>>
>>> Contradictory media reports only serve to confuse the issue but I
>>> would've thought he'd need his visa to be fully approved before he
>>> could enter the country.
>>
>> Visa applicants are in a world of pain currently with all the Covid
>> restrictions and delays due to Covid generally.
>>>
>>> Visas are also a sore point with me as  I'm currently waiting on a
>>> subclass 496 visa for a diesel mechanic for which the application was
>>> lodged in April 2021 through a solicitor who specialises in visa
>>> applications.  Originally told it would normally take three weeks to
>>> process but covid has thrown the situation into chaos.
>>
>> Yes, definitely. Have friends here in similar situations - though not
>> related to work visas.
>>>
>>> In the case of the 496 visa the relevant state government needs to
>>> endorse the application but the feds still have issue it... as I'd
>>> expect to be the case with Djokovic even if the respective governments
>>> are prepared to short circuit the application process for Tennis
>>> Australia.
>>>
>>
>>
>I was under the impression that his application was vetted by two
>different teams blind and aproved

You're confusing the "medical exemption" with his visa application.
The visa would've been incorrectly issued on the basis of a medical
exemption certicate the rules don't allow for. To qualify for an
entry visa he should be vaccinated.

--
John H

On 8/01/2022 6:58 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 8/1/22 12:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 11:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>>>
>>>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
>>> Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about
>>> 30klms from Belgrade.
>>
>> Farking hell. No chance of winning an argument there :)
>>
>>
>>
> I've long given up trying:-)
>
Come on, she seemed lovely when I met her. Admittedly I could have been
blinded by the fact she fed a hungry man!! ;-)

Noddy wrote:
>On 7/01/2022 4:08 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> The conditions that need to be met to enter the country come under
>>> Federal authority, but I'd personally be putting the blame for this in
>>> Novak's camp. They're the ones who applied for the visa.
>>
>> Since when does a visa application allow the applicant to enter the
>> country?
>
>I think it largely depends on what visa he applies for.
>
>>>> Djokovic Senior's rant isn't going to elicit much sympathy from the
>>>> locals, lest they be Serbs, but I'd be far more interested in finding
>>>> out who issued a visa that didn't meet the entry requirements when
>>>> Novak's camp had obviously been led to believe it did.
>>>
>>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>>
>> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
>> needed to get in.
>
>Not according to the media.
>
>According to reports in todays Herald-Sun in his initial application for
>a medical exception to play at the Oz Open he cited two letters from
>doctors claiming that he had legitimate medical grounds to not be
>vaccinated. The report didn't go into detail as to what those grounds
>were, other than to say that he was "medically exempt", and the review
>panel of Tennis Australia and subsequent independent review panel
>accepted his application and granted him an exemption to play.
>
>However on his Visa application he also put down "medically exempt" but
>upon arrival here in Melbourne he had no documentation to support that
>claim and instead cited the fact that as he had contracted Covid within
>the last 6 months making him "immune" and also exempt from being
>vaccinated, he was therefore not bound by the rule of needing to be
>vaccinated to enter the country.
>
>Border control rejected his the basis that they *don't* accept
>previously having had Covid as sufficient grounds to provide a medical
>exempetion to the vaccination requirements one needs to comply with in
>order to enter the county, and he is now in detention awaiting the
>outcome of an appeal.
>
>Djokovic would have known all this in advance, or at least should have
>been made aware by his "people" given all the media hype that's been
>going on about his atendence here for weeks now, and if what the media
>is saying is true then he lied in making his application and should be
>deported in my opinion.
>
>>> Can't comment on that, but if other people have been kicked out of the
>>> country for the same issues then he should be too. As Rafael Nadal was
>>> quoted as saying in this morning's paper, "He could have avoided all
>>> this by just being vaccinated".
>>
>> Of course he could've but the real issue remains as to who let him in
>> without being vaccinated! It also appears that others have been
>> allowed in on the basis of similar applications initiated by Tennis
>> Australia, for which final approval needs to come from whoever's
>> responsible within the federal government. If whoever polices it
>> happens to disagree it then becomes a matter of which Ministers' heads
>> need banging together but don't expect that to happen anytime soon.
>
>My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>control requirements.

They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
Djokovic's....
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226

Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
you've assumed. In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>
>This whole incident also opens up an interesting can of worms in the
>form of why both the Tennis Australia and Independent Review Panel
>considered him to be legitimately medically exempt, but not Border
>control. Given that he seems to have provided different "evidence" to
>Border Control than he did the review panels, I can't help but wonder if
>he knew in advance what the outcome of the review panels would be and
>simply needed to provide "documentation" in order to make it look
>official, but was aware that said documentation wouldn't cut it with
>Border Control and thought it best to rely on something else to satisfy
>that requirement.

Once again any evidence as to their medical exemption status is
irrelevant since it was never a valid reason to begin with.
>
>Either way, it's all turned to shit and couldn't have happened to a more
>deserving "champion" :)

Except he's been set up by Tennis Australia, with the buck ultimately
stopping with an incompetent federal government department!

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John H

On 8/01/2022 9:04 am, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:

>>>> Novak's camp has had *months* to get this sorted, and after all the
>>>> media attention and speculation they've *still* managed to fuck it up.
>>>
>>> As I see it the fuck up is down to whoever issued the visa he would've
>>> needed to get in.
>>
>> They (the one who issued the visa) could have feed false information.
>> Apparently his basis for a medical exception was that he had had Covid
>> 6mths ago therefore he didn't need to be vaccinated because he already
>> had immunity.
>
> The catch being that there is no provision for a medical exemption
> (medical exemptions only apply in domestic situations where an
> employer has mandated vaccinations). Whoever issued his visa has
> overlooked the rules, hence the stuff up.

It would depend on the information they were fed at the time the
application was made.

> Is also appears that Tennis Australia, who're now keeping very quiet,
> would've advised Djokovic to apply for a visa on the basis of a
> medical exemption in spite of being informed by the feds that the
> rules were... no vaccination, no entry. They also neglected to tell
> the Vic Government about the advice they'd received.

Front page of this morning's Herald-Sun claims that Tennis Australia
furnished players with "advice" in December stating that they could
legally enter Australia unvaccinated if they could show themselves as
having had Covid within 6 months of their arrival, which is in direct
contrast to the advice issued to Tennis Australia from Border Security.

The Herald-Sun is claiming this letter is a "smoking gun" and clearly
laying the blame for this fiasco at the feet of Tennis Australia,
however if you read the letter it does *not* say that having had a dose
of Covid in the last 6 months will definitely grant you a medical
exemption. It simply says that it "may". This is clearly wrong according
to the advice Border Security supplied to Tennis Australia, but it's not
the "smoking gun" the media is making it out to be as far as I'm concerned.

You can read the letter here:

> https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/tennis/novak-djokovic-fiasco-leaked-tennis-australia-letter-damning-for-organisation/news-story/909bf5eb52ae0cc530b5a60371361f77

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/01/2022 10:29 am, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>> My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>> for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>> in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>> control requirements.
>
> They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
> Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
> as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
> Djokovic's....
> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226
>
> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
> you've assumed. In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
> someone in the federal government has fallen for it

Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.

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--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/1/22 11:07 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 8/01/2022 10:29 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>>> for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>>> in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>>> control requirements.
>>
>> They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
>> Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
>> as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
>> Djokovic's....
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226
>>
>>
>> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
>> you've assumed.  In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
>> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
>> someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>
> Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
> comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
> unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
> Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.

There's no question about it, it didn't and that's why it was rejected,
albeit at a very late stage.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy wrote:
>On 8/01/2022 10:29 am, John_H wrote:
>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>>> for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>>> in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>>> control requirements.
>>
>> They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
>> Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
>> as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
>> Djokovic's....
>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226
>>
>> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
>> you've assumed. In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
>> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
>> someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>
>Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
>comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
>unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
>Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.

It doesn't and never did. The only exceptions I'm aware of are for
Australian citizens (who don't need a visa to return home) and
children.

Medical exemptions only apply to local residents who aren't
vaccinated. I would've thought Hunt's letter to Tennis Australia
makes that perfectly clear.... https://tinyurl.com/frkdt435

What it doesn't do is exonerate the government department that issued
the visas.

--
John H

On 8/01/2022 12:50 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>>> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
>>> you've assumed. In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
>>> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
>>> someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>>
>> Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
>> comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
>> unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
>> Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.
>
> It doesn't and never did. The only exceptions I'm aware of are for
> Australian citizens (who don't need a visa to return home) and
> children.
>
> Medical exemptions only apply to local residents who aren't
> vaccinated. I would've thought Hunt's letter to Tennis Australia
> makes that perfectly clear.... https://tinyurl.com/frkdt435

There is certainly some confusion surrounding this. The Australian
Department of Health website states that you must be vaccinated to both
enter and leave Australia, unless you have a medical exemption:

> https://www.health.gov.au/health-alerts/covid-19/international-travel/proof-of-vaccination

--

> What it doesn't do is exonerate the government department that issued
> the visas.

The jury's still out on whether they've done anything wrong.....

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 8/1/22 7:58 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 8/1/22 12:33 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 7/01/2022 11:48 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 7/1/22 1:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> Looks like all the mental asylums in Serbia are already full:-)
>>>>> That bloke is a certifiable lunatic.
>>>>
>>>> Most people from that part of the world are.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>> ROTFL, tell me about it, my wife is technically Serbian:-)
>>> Her ancestry are Rumanian but she was born in Serbia only about
>>> 30klms from Belgrade.
>>
>> Farking hell. No chance of winning an argument there :)
>>
>>
>>
> I've long given up trying:-)
>
No prizes for guessing who wears the pants in your household.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Xeno wrote:
>On 8/1/22 11:07 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 8/01/2022 10:29 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>>>> for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>>>> in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>>>> control requirements.
>>>
>>> They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
>>> Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
>>> as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
>>> Djokovic's....
>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226
>>>
>>>
>>> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
>>> you've assumed.  In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
>>> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
>>> someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>>
>> Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
>> comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
>> unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
>> Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.
>
>There's no question about it, it didn't and that's why it was rejected,
>albeit at a very late stage.

The application wasn't rejected!

Djokovic's visa (along with others) was cancelled by Border Force
after he'd entered the country. The pertinent point being that it
should never have been issued in the first place.

--
John H

On 8/1/22 1:24 pm, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 8/1/22 11:07 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 8/01/2022 10:29 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> My understanding is that there are currently 6 players who have applied
>>>>> for and received medical exemptions to both enter the country and play
>>>>> in the OZ open. Djokovic is the only one who hasn't met the border
>>>>> control requirements.
>>>>
>>>> They were all issued with visas when they shouldn't have been, same a
>>>> Djokovic (there is no provision in the rules for a medical exemption
>>>> as you're assuming). Those visas are also being cancelled, same as
>>>> Djokovic's....
>>>> https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-01-07/australian-open-renata-vorackova-visa-border-force/100745226
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nor is it a case of Djokovic, or anyone else, pulling a fast one, as
>>>> you've assumed.  In point of fact they were all incorrectly advised by
>>>> Tennis Australia to apply on the basis of a medical exemption and
>>>> someone in the federal government has fallen for it
>>>
>>> Not being privy to his, or anyone else's, application details I can't
>>> comment on that other than to say that there are indeed exemptions for
>>> unvaccinated people to enter the country. The question would be whether
>>> Djokovic's application fell into any of those categories.
>>
>> There's no question about it, it didn't and that's why it was rejected,
>> albeit at a very late stage.
>
> The application wasn't rejected!

It was, *after* issuance but before entry. As I said, at a very late stage.
>
> Djokovic's visa (along with others) was cancelled by Border Force
> after he'd entered the country. The pertinent point being that it
> should never have been issued in the first place.
>
Indeed it shouldn't have been.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)