Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> The Real Bev wrote
>> AJL wrote
>>> Carlos E. R. wrote

>>> I always hated the $1 coin. A bill is so much easier to handle.
>>> It was never very popular here, perhaps for that reason.

>> We used to go to yard sales. I carried $1s and quarters, which covered
>> pretty much everything we wanted to buy. I was deeply resentful when
>> I bought stamps from a machine and was given change in $1 coins.
>> What idiot wants to carry $20 in coins in a pocket or purse?

> It should be 1$ coin, 2$ coin, the 5$ bill and 10$ bill. Not 20·1$ coins.

It should take cards and phones.

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
> Your Name wrote
>> On 2021-09-14 23:40:52 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>> On 15/09/2021 01.26, nospam wrote:
>>>> In article <shr9v5$6ql$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>>>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Eventually stores will do away with their mag-stripe readers and then
>>>>> support for Samsung Pay will go away.
>>>>
>>>> not for a *very* long time, since there are cards that only have
>>>> magstripe and will be for the foreseeable future, which means the
>>>> payment terminals must be able to read them.
>>>
>>> I have seen terminals here that can not read magnetic bands. It is
>>> either chip or contactless.
>>
>> Some place still have the old manual carbon copy slider machine
>> (nicknamed a "zip-zap" machine) that require a signature, that's why
>> credit cards still have raised numbers and details. :-)
>
> AFAIK that's credit only.

Not here, but I'm not sure they work anymore.

> No feedback, risky.

On 9/14/2021 8:25 PM, nospam wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> 50-50 [embossed CC] for me. Amex yes, Visa no...

> for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat, whereas
> the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are embossed.

The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.

"American Express®Card security features

1. All American Express account numbers are embossed and start
with “37” or “34” "

>https://www.americanexpress.com/content/dam/amex/hk/en/staticassets/merchant/pdf/support-and-services/useful-information-and-downloads/GuidetoCheckingCardFaces.pdf>

I'm GUESSING that since it's listed under security, embossing is used to
make it harder to fraudulently change the numbers on the face of a card
and not so that it can be used in an ancient rack-rack carbon paper
machine...

Am 15.09.21 um 01:40 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
> On 15/09/2021 01.26, nospam wrote:
>> In article <shr9v5$6ql$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Eventually stores will do away with their mag-stripe readers and then
>>> support for Samsung Pay will go away.
>>
>> not for a *very* long time, since there are cards that only have
>> magstripe and will be for the foreseeable future, which means the
>> payment terminals must be able to read them.
>
> I have seen terminals here that can not read magnetic bands. It is
> either chip or contactless.

About eight years ago European ceased to accept transactions with
magnetic stripes. Only chips are accepted after a massive fraud in
Southern Europe in 2012.

2013 I had a huge issue with American banks down south (From Lousiana to
Georgia) because most of them were not able to deliver cash on chip
cards yet. They only had the old fashioned magnetic-stripe-readers. This
in turn is/was not accepted anymore in the developped world.

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Am 15.09.21 um 02:40 schrieb sms:
> On 9/14/2021 4:40 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> I have seen terminals here that can not read magnetic bands. It is
>> either chip or contactless.
>
> nospam is wrong of course™.
>
> There are almost no credit or debit cards still being issued, and few
> still in use, that don't have an EMV chip. Similarly, most new credit
> cards being issued are also contactless.

Contactless has nothing to do with mag or chip. The container with the
data is on the chip in any case today.

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Am 15.09.21 um 04:24 schrieb sms:
> On 9/14/2021 6:21 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> AFAIK that's credit only. No feedback, risky.
>
> Most credit cards in the US. no longer have raised numbers.

My new Master has like all credit cards here.

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Am 15.09.21 um 04:56 schrieb nospam:
> In article <shrlgg$fp$1@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>> Some place still have the old manual carbon copy slider machine
>>>> (nicknamed a "zip-zap" machine) that require a signature, that's why
>>>> credit cards still have raised numbers and details.  :-)
>>>
>>> AFAIK that's credit only. No feedback, risky.
>>
>> Most credit cards in the US. no longer have raised numbers.
>
> most *do* have raised numbers. the ones that don't are mainly the
> higher end cards, with a scattering of the lower end cards.

Busllhit!
Mine is a Gold Card directly from the issuer.

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Am 15.09.21 um 07:59 schrieb nospam:
> In article <shs1mt$mfa$4@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> most *do* have raised numbers. the ones that don't are mainly the
>>> higher end cards, with a scattering of the lower end cards.
>>
>> Busllhit!
>> Mine is a Gold Card directly from the issuer.
>
> gold from whom?
>
> amex gold is *not* embossed.

Master.

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Am 15.09.21 um 07:59 schrieb nospam:
> In article <shrs0l$1s3i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>>> 50-50 [embossed CC] for me. Amex yes, Visa no...
>>
>>> for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat, whereas
>>> the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are embossed.
>>
>> The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.
>
> they're wrong. they started moving to flat a couple of years ago.

Wisenheimer.

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In article <shs1mt$mfa$4@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
wrote:

> >
> > most *do* have raised numbers. the ones that don't are mainly the
> > higher end cards, with a scattering of the lower end cards.
>
> Busllhit!
> Mine is a Gold Card directly from the issuer.

gold from whom?

amex gold is *not* embossed.

<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/61/97/266197b43b877d679f50467020a28e7
c.jpg>

In article <shrs0l$1s3i$1@gioia.aioe.org>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> >> 50-50 [embossed CC] for me. Amex yes, Visa no...
>
> > for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat, whereas
> > the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are embossed.
>
> The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.

they're wrong. they started moving to flat a couple of years ago.

<https://i.redd.it/0b2o1u56ad861.jpg>
<https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/61/97/266197b43b877d679f50467020a28e7
c.jpg>

and from amex itself:
<https://icm.aexp-static.com/Internet/Acquisition/US_en/AppContent/OneSi
te/category/cardarts/platinum-card.png>

> "American Express®Card security features
>
> 1. All American Express account numbers are embossed and start
> with ³37² or ³34² "
>
>
> >>https://www.americanexpress.com/content/dam/amex/hk/en/staticassets/merchan
> >t/pdf/support-and-services/useful-information-and-downloads/GuidetoCheckingC
> >ardFaces.pdf>

not only does that pdf look old, but the expiration date in the
pictured card is 2009.

> I'm GUESSING that since it's listed under security, embossing is used to
> make it harder to fraudulently change the numbers on the face of a card
> and not so that it can be used in an ancient rack-rack carbon paper
> machine...

a better guess is that the pdf is very much outdated.

Am 15.09.21 um 07:59 schrieb nospam:
> In article <shs1mt$mfa$4@dont-email.me>, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch>
> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> most *do* have raised numbers. the ones that don't are mainly the
>>> higher end cards, with a scattering of the lower end cards.
>>
>> Busllhit!
>> Mine is a Gold Card directly from the issuer.
>
> gold from whom?
>
> amex gold is *not* embossed.

BTW: AMEX is totally unpopular here in Europe anyway. Hardly any places
that accept the cards. Even hotels.

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Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
> On 2021-09-13 11:02:27 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>> On 13/09/2021 10.02, Rob wrote:
>>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>>> On 9/12/2021 12:05 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here, banks (and lots of other businesses) don't care at all about
>>>>> existing customers. Only new customers are important.
>>>>
>>>> Existing customers often become someone's new customers if the wanted
>>>> services are lacking...
>>>
>>> With the banking system as it is here, that is only a small risk.
>>> It is so much effort to move everything to a new bank and new account
>>> number, and the situation will be the same at that other bank.
>>> So most customers stay at the same bank for life.
>>
>> The other day I heard an advert from a bank saying that they would
>> handle *all* the moving.
>
> The problem with changing banks, or providers of other services like
> telecoms, electricity, etc., is that *when* something goes wrong during
> the switchover they both sit around blaming the other without bothering
> to actually fix it, leaving the customer with no service at all. :-\
>
> Plus, you then have to inform everywhere about the new account number
> or phone number (although transferrable phone numbers have taken care
> of that issue).
>
> Realitisically any so-called "savings" you supposedly make by switching
> companies is so minor that it's not usually worth all the effort in the
> first place.

Banks here provide sign-on bonuses of £100-150 which makes it pretty
worthwhile. We also have a guaranteed system which sorts out any blame. The
switch is initiated and managed by the new bank so any issues will be with
them.

On 9/14/2021 10:59 PM, nospam wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>
>>>> 50-50 [embossed CC] for me. Amex yes, Visa no...
>>
>>> for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat,
>>> whereas the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are
>>> embossed.
>>
>> The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.
>
> they're wrong. they started moving to flat a couple of years ago.

The Amex site got it wrong? Could be.

> <https://i.redd.it/0b2o1u56ad861.jpg>

No proof there. Account numbers are blacked out.

> <https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/61/97/266197b43b877d679f50467020a28e7
> c.jpg>

No proof there. No account number and the name looks scratched in, not
embossed with the characters standing out like my card is.

> and from amex itself:
> <https://icm.aexp-static.com/Internet/Acquisition/US_en/AppContent/OneSi
> te/category/cardarts/platinum-card.png>

No proof there. Same reason.

>> "American Express®Card security features
>>
>> 1. All American Express account numbers are embossed and start with
>> 37 or 34 "

>> https://www.americanexpress.com/content/dam/amex/hk/en/staticassets/merchan
>> t/pdf/support-and-services/useful-information-and-downloads/GuidetoCheckingC
>> ardFaces.pdf>

> not only does that pdf look old, but the expiration date in the
> pictured card is 2009.

So the official 2021 Amex site got its own security page wrong? Could be.

>> I'm GUESSING that since it's listed under security, embossing is
>> used to make it harder to fraudulently change the numbers on the
>> face of a card and not so that it can be used in an ancient
>> rack-rack carbon paper machine...

> a better guess is that the pdf is very much outdated.

Could be. But I'd also GUESS your current proof is lacking...

In article <shs4cs$mmk$1@gioia.aioe.org>, AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

> >>> for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat,
> >>> whereas the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are
> >>> embossed.
> >>
> >> The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.
> >
> > they're wrong. they started moving to flat a couple of years ago.
>
> The Amex site got it wrong? Could be.

the link you gave is very outdated and now wrong.

> > <https://i.redd.it/0b2o1u56ad861.jpg>
>
> No proof there. Account numbers are blacked out.

nope. the name is blacked out.

embossed card numbers are across the *middle* of the card and there are
none there.

> > <https://i.pinimg.com/originals/26/61/97/266197b43b877d679f50467020a28e7
> > c.jpg>
>
> No proof there. No account number and the name looks scratched in, not
> embossed with the characters standing out like my card is.

engraved. it's a metal card.

> > and from amex itself:
> > <https://icm.aexp-static.com/Internet/Acquisition/US_en/AppContent/OneSi
> > te/category/cardarts/platinum-card.png>
>
> No proof there. Same reason.

now compare it to the everyday card:

<https://icm.aexp-static.com/Internet/Acquisition/US_en/AppContent/OneSi
te/category/cardarts/amex-everyday.png>

AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
> On 9/14/2021 1:52 PM, Carlos E. R. wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 22.14, sms wrote:
>
>>> It would make sense to follow Canada's lead and drop the penny
>
> I haven't routinely carried any change for a long long time.
>
>>> and drop the $1 bill,
>
> I still use the $1 bill for tips. A $5 tip for an $8 car wash is a bit
> much. And I haven't seen a $2 bill in a long time. Also small cash is
> handy for the tip jars in many fast food places. However some of the
> them now allow me to tip on the credit card screen so the tip jar
> itself may become history...
>
>>> and get the $1 coin into wider circulation,
>
> I always hated the $1 coin. A bill is so much easier to handle. It was
> never very popular here, perhaps for that reason.

Not for the blind it isn't. I still don't understand why all your bills are
exactly the same size. It must be nightmare for people with poor vision.

We got rid of £1 notes a long time ago as they wore out so quickly they
were too expensive to keep. They were considering doing the same with the
£5 note, but now with plastic notes they last much longer.

>>> There was a push by vending machine companies for wider use of $1
>>> coin because of the hassle of paper money receptors, but this went
>>> nowhere.
>
> Most of the vending machines in my area handle paper money (and not just
> $1 bills) just fine. Also many now take credit cards. And maybe phones?
>
>> Yeah, having 1$ bills is strange. The smaller we have is the 5€ bill.
>> There was talk of removing the cent, but several countries refused. I
>> agree with keeping the cent, removing it would cause prices to rise a
>> bit.
>
> Our local zoo has 25 cent vending machines where you can buy food
> pellets to feed the animals (fish, monkeys, giraffes, etc). Quite a
> racket, a penny's worth of food for a quarter. Very popular though. And
> the zoo being no fool has a bill taking machine that produce quarters by
> the dozens nearby...

Zoos are very expensive businesses to run and $0.25 is cheap by anyone's
standards.

In article <shs5mp$et6$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I still don't understand why all your bills are
> exactly the same size.

better fit in wallets.

> It must be nightmare for people with poor vision.

if their vision is bad enough to where they can't read the money, then
they likely aren't shopping alone.

Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> wrote:
>> On 2021-09-13 11:02:27 +0000, Carlos E. R. said:
>>> On 13/09/2021 10.02, Rob wrote:
>>>> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 9/12/2021 12:05 PM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here, banks (and lots of other businesses) don't care at all about
>>>>>> existing customers. Only new customers are important.
>>>>>
>>>>> Existing customers often become someone's new customers if the wanted
>>>>> services are lacking...
>>>>
>>>> With the banking system as it is here, that is only a small risk.
>>>> It is so much effort to move everything to a new bank and new account
>>>> number, and the situation will be the same at that other bank.
>>>> So most customers stay at the same bank for life.
>>>
>>> The other day I heard an advert from a bank saying that they would
>>> handle *all* the moving.
>>
>> The problem with changing banks, or providers of other services like
>> telecoms, electricity, etc., is that *when* something goes wrong during
>> the switchover they both sit around blaming the other without bothering
>> to actually fix it, leaving the customer with no service at all. :-\
>>
>> Plus, you then have to inform everywhere about the new account number
>> or phone number (although transferrable phone numbers have taken care
>> of that issue).
>>
>> Realitisically any so-called "savings" you supposedly make by switching
>> companies is so minor that it's not usually worth all the effort in the
>> first place.
>
> Banks here provide sign-on bonuses of £100-150 which makes it pretty
> worthwhile. We also have a guaranteed system which sorts out any blame. The
> switch is initiated and managed by the new bank so any issues will be with
> them.

Banks here make you pay for their services, including the service
to put your money there. And they all follow eachother. So there
is no such gain to be made.
(there are some people who have moved their bank account abroad)

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> The Real Bev <bashley101@gmail.com> wrote
>> AJL wrote
>>> Carlos E. R. wrote
>>>> sms wrote
>
>>>>> It would make sense to follow Canada's lead and drop the penny
>
>>> I haven't routinely carried any change for a long long time.
>
>> I need quarters for the Aldi shopping carts.
>
> Our Aldi handed out free things that go on your
> key ring with a clip that release the trolley instead
> of a coin. And still sell them for peanuts in the stores.

Here they give them for free when you go to the info desk or
a cashier asking to change money into a suitable coin.
Sort of defeats the entire purpose of having the coin lock...

Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>> The Real Bev wrote
>>> AJL wrote
>>>> Carlos E. R. wrote
>
>>>> I always hated the $1 coin. A bill is so much easier to handle.
>>>> It was never very popular here, perhaps for that reason.
>
>>> We used to go to yard sales. I carried $1s and quarters, which covered
>>> pretty much everything we wanted to buy. I was deeply resentful when
>>> I bought stamps from a machine and was given change in $1 coins.
>>> What idiot wants to carry $20 in coins in a pocket or purse?
>
>> It should be 1$ coin, 2$ coin, the 5$ bill and 10$ bill. Not 20·1$ coins.
>
> It should take cards and phones.

We can print our own stamps at home. You get a barcode you can print
on a label or on the envelope. You can even write the digits of the
code on the envelope by hand. No need to go to a machine or store
for that.

On 9/14/2021 11:51 PM, nospam wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>>>>> for amex, it depends on the card. gold & platinum are flat,
>>>>> whereas the more popular amex everyday and partner cards are
>>>>> embossed.
>>>>
>>>> The Amex site says ALL their cards are embossed.
>>>
>>> they're wrong. they started moving to flat a couple of years ago.

> the link [snipped] you gave is very outdated and now wrong.

Official Amex site outdated?? Apparently yes.

>>> <https://i.redd.it/0b2o1u56ad861.jpg>
>> No proof there. Account numbers are blacked out.

> nope. the name is blacked out.

> embossed card numbers are across the *middle* of the card and there are
> none there.

Wonder why Amex doesn't have any problems showing embossed card examples
with account numbers showing side by side with non-embossed card
examples with no account numbers showing? Anyway, I found your winning
link for you:

<https://www.americanexpress.com/us/credit-cards/category/no-annual-fee/>

So Amex (not me) is sorry for its out of date site causing someone to
cast aspersions on your post and concedes the point. Bedtime. See y'all
tomorrow...

On 9/15/2021 12:00 AM, Chris wrote:
> AJL <noemail@none.com> wrote:

>> I always hated the $1 coin. A bill is so much easier to handle. It
>> was never very popular here, perhaps for that reason.

> Not for the blind it isn't. I still don't understand why all your
> bills are exactly the same size. It must be nightmare for people with
> poor vision.

I have a blind cousin. She used to have her family separate bills for
her before she left. But now credit cards make things much easier.

>> Our local zoo has 25 cent vending machines where you can buy food
>> pellets to feed the animals (fish, monkeys, giraffes, etc). Quite
>> a racket, a penny's worth of food for a quarter.

> Zoos are very expensive businesses to run and $0.25 is cheap by
> anyone's standards.

Yep. The entrance fee is very high. A family can easily spend a hundred
bucks just getting in. The restaurants also have a captive audience with
their high prices. So the 25 cent pellets are the icing on the cake...

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 14/09/2021 23.52, Rob wrote:
>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>> Yeah, having 1$ bills is strange. The smaller we have is the 5€ bill.
>>> There was talk of removing the cent, but several countries refused. I
>>> agree with keeping the cent, removing it would cause prices to rise a bit.
>>
>> The 1 and 2 cent coins are rarely used here, all total amounts are
>> rounded to 5 cent in most stores (when paying cash).
>
> Yes, shops do that.
>
> However, there are other things that are adjusted to the cent. For
> example, gasoline today is 1.487€/litre at a nearby station. A person
> can purchase 10 litres of gasoline and pay in cash 14 euros and 87 cents
> exactly. If he pays 15€ exact, he can demand be given back the exact
> change to the cent.
>
> Thus they must have the cash available on the box. It is the law, they
> can not adjust to the 5 cents, unless they do so in favour of the
> client, paying him the excess *always*, which results in loses for the
> station.

Ok, here the law is that while individual items have to be priced
to the cent (or in case of "liter of gasoline" it can even be .1 cent),
the total amount in a purchase can be rounded to 5 cents (up/down)
by the shop and you have to accept that, but only when paying cash.

But stores *are* allowed to not do that rounding and return 1c/2c coins.
So when you buy 1 item priced 99c in most stores you have to pay
1 euro, but in some (very few) stores you would get 1c back.

I hate it when that happens, because the returned coins are often
not usable elsewhere (almost nobody does this) and they accumulate
in my wallet. Sure it is possible to give 5 1c coints when 5c has
to be paid, but the shops don't like it and you only get rid of them
when you frequently pay small amounts ending in .05
So more than once I have just discarded them.

On 15/09/2021 10.06, Rob wrote:
> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 14/09/2021 23.52, Rob wrote:
>>> Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>>>> Yeah, having 1$ bills is strange. The smaller we have is the 5€ bill.
>>>> There was talk of removing the cent, but several countries refused. I
>>>> agree with keeping the cent, removing it would cause prices to rise a bit.
>>>
>>> The 1 and 2 cent coins are rarely used here, all total amounts are
>>> rounded to 5 cent in most stores (when paying cash).
>>
>> Yes, shops do that.
>>
>> However, there are other things that are adjusted to the cent. For
>> example, gasoline today is 1.487€/litre at a nearby station. A person
>> can purchase 10 litres of gasoline and pay in cash 14 euros and 87 cents
>> exactly. If he pays 15€ exact, he can demand be given back the exact
>> change to the cent.
>>
>> Thus they must have the cash available on the box. It is the law, they
>> can not adjust to the 5 cents, unless they do so in favour of the
>> client, paying him the excess *always*, which results in loses for the
>> station.
>
> Ok, here the law is that while individual items have to be priced
> to the cent (or in case of "liter of gasoline" it can even be .1 cent),
> the total amount in a purchase can be rounded to 5 cents (up/down)
> by the shop and you have to accept that, but only when paying cash.
>
> But stores *are* allowed to not do that rounding and return 1c/2c coins.
> So when you buy 1 item priced 99c in most stores you have to pay
> 1 euro, but in some (very few) stores you would get 1c back.
>
> I hate it when that happens, because the returned coins are often
> not usable elsewhere (almost nobody does this) and they accumulate
> in my wallet. Sure it is possible to give 5 1c coints when 5c has
> to be paid, but the shops don't like it and you only get rid of them
> when you frequently pay small amounts ending in .05
> So more than once I have just discarded them.

I just return them in a purchase when I feel like that, and as they give
me cents when they want, they can not complain. In fact, sometimes when
the price was adjusted to the cent, I have been asked "don't you have
that cent"? because they don't like to pay 5.

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On 15/09/2021 09.24, nospam wrote:
> In article <shs5mp$et6$1@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I still don't understand why all your bills are
>> exactly the same size.
>
> better fit in wallets.
>
>> It must be nightmare for people with poor vision.
>
> if their vision is bad enough to where they can't read the money, then
> they likely aren't shopping alone.

nospam is wrong of course™.

Here, you can see them selling a state raffle run by the blind people
organization (ONCE), and they are alone. They take bills and coins.

I don't remember if they take cards.

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