On 2022-04-05 9:55 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 7:10 AM, sms wrote:
>>
>>> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired
>>> and wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to
>>> 100% which is more in line with actual use.
>>
>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.
>
>
> I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
> to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.
>
>

I find even a large phone too small for reading a book.

My nighttime reading is done on an iPad Mini

On 2022-04-05 9:07 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> sms wrote:
>
>> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast
>> chargers have now dropped the charger.
>
> FACT:
> My _free_ (approx $200 MSRP now) Samsung Galaxy A32-5G came with the fast
> charger, and it seems that _many_ (if not most) Android come with them too.

And you pay more as a result.

And if you think your phone is "free", you're a deluded fool.

On 4/5/2022 9:46 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

<snip>

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

That's fine for leisure travel.

But for business travel it's usually necessary to take along a phone as
well as a laptop. In some cases you can get by with a tablet plus a
keyboard and mouse.

Even for leisure travel I will now take along an iPad as well as a
phone, and sometimes a Windows laptop. With remote-working we can now go
on trips even when we have to do things like Microsoft Teams or Zoom
meetings and these aren't well suited to do on a phone, though it's not
impossible. Bringing along an HDMI adapter lets you use a television in
a hotel room for audio and video, but not for the camera.

If we want to watch videos at night, I can hook my phone up to the TV
and stream Netflix, or use something like a Fire Stick. I can also plug
a USB DVD drive into my Android phone and watch a DVD either on the
phone or on a TV.

On 2022-04-05 8:51 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>
>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>
> In addition, the old charger is almost _never_ the correct fast charger.
>
> Instead of getting a new correctly sized battery in your new iCar, Apple
> tells you that they skimped out on the correctly sized battery.
>
> It's as if Apple tells you that you have plenty of old car batteries.
> Use your old batteries with your shiny new iCar.

I've got news for you, Sunshine:

Chargers are not the same as batteries.

AND

You don't understand a THING about cars and the batteries they use.

On 4/5/2022 10:00 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 9:53 AM, Joerg Lorenz wrote:
>> On 05.04.22 18:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:
>>>> OTOH, one nice thing about USB-PD and QC is that you can reduce the
>>>> number of chargers you have to carry, especially when traveling.
>>>
>>>
>>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone,
>>> which is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want
>>> to travel with multiple devices.
>>
>> Not an option for me. I usually write a lot of text in forums. I use my
>> iPhone as gateway to the web for my laptops. Even these useless tablets
>> are not an option. They are just blown up phones.
>
>
> Yes, we all have different needs. That was my point.

Joerg is wrong of course™.

A good tablet, like an iPad Pro or a Samsung Galaxy S series, is not a
"blown up phone."

They have powerful processors, you can use a Bluetooth keyboard and
mouse, or an active stylus, so they work well for creating
presentations, text editing, e-mail, phone editing, and more.

You can use a USB hub and plug in various peripherals such as disk
drives, and even optical drives (Android only).

The screens are large enough for the tablets to function as a laptop
replacement, and are as good as a laptop for online video meetings.

They also have functions not available on laptops, such as a GPS, and on
Android tablets you can do GPS spoofing so when you're traveling you can
still get geographic-restricted content.

If you really want a "blown up phone" there are some low-end tablets
with cellular connectivity that you can use with a VOIP service like
Google Voice. For $179.99 you can buy a 10.1" tablet with a SIM card
slot with 4G LTE bands 2, 3, 4, 5, 7, 8, 12, 17, & 41.

On 4/5/2022 10:26 AM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-05 9:55 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 8:33 AM, AJL wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 7:10 AM, sms wrote:
>>>
>>>> When I was performing tests of the energy difference between wired
>>>> and wireless charging I did include the times. But I did only 20% to
>>>> 100% which is more in line with actual use.
>>>
>>> I prefer the convenience of a wireless charger.
>>
>>
>> I think I said this here before, but a wireless charger would be useless
>> to me. I usually charge my phone while I am reading a Kindle book in bed.
>>
>>
>
> I find even a large phone too small for reading a book.

Yes, yours is a common point of view. Many others have said the same
thing to me.

But it works for me, and I finding reading on a tablet or an Amazon
Kindle more difficult.

> My nighttime reading is done on an iPad Mini

--
Ken

On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

Recent personal trips (air) we've left the laptop behind and just
brought our phones. Road trips (all one of them in the last 3 years) we
brought a laptop - tethered to the phone for internet access.

--
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half the cabinet are not asses."
-Benjamin Disraeli

On 4/5/2022 11:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
> On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
>> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to
>> travel with multiple devices.
>
> Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
> one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
> working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.

Last month I was at a conference at a Marriott and did connect my phone
to the TV to watch a Zoom meeting. The desk in the room had kind of
docking station with wired Ethernet, VGA, and HDMI connections
<http://www.videonuze.com/editor/assets/MarriottConsole1.jpg> But the
HDMI didn't work (as several other things in the room and the hotel
didn't work) and I connected the HDMI from the phone directly to the TV.
I also had my iPad and a laptop with me since I needed to do some work.

> Recent personal trips (air) we've left the laptop behind and just
> brought our phones.  Road trips (all one of them in the last 3 years) we
> brought a laptop - tethered to the phone for internet access.

The Marriott Wi-Fi was very slow so I tethered for Internet access.

On 4/4/2022 5:19 PM, Andy Burnelli wrote:
> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>
> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
> I ran a test last night and mine took 2-1/4 hours to go from 0 to 100%
> <https://i.postimg.cc/zGvhGxSb/charging13.jpg>
>
> Specs:
> Free 64 GB 8-core Samsung Galaxy A32-5G with a modern 5 Ah battery
> Free 9.0V at 1.67A & 5.0V at 2.0A modern fast charger in the box
> Phone purposefully run all day & night with LED flashlight on
> until phone shut down indicating 1% battery.
> Booted phone at 6:33AM and put on the charger & at 8:45AM today.
> The phone said "*Your battery is half charged*" just one hour later.
> Another hour & fifteen minutes the phone spoke out that it was full
> "*Your battery is now at 100% charge*"
>
> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to full?

No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a full day
of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

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In message <jb3a30F6sjbU1@mid.individual.net> Ken Blake <ken@invalidemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 9:17 AM, sms wrote:

>> [his usual drivel]

> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to travel
> with multiple devices.

sms is under the impression that the things he wants, everyone wants, and
the things that are important to him are important to everyone, that the
things he does, everyone does.

He cannot conceive that most people do not prefer touchID over FaceID,
so he tries to make the claim that TouchID is more secure, which is just
a lie.

He thinks traveling with multiple devices is perfectly normal, when in
fact it is quite rare.

Like all little children, he has no real concept of the world beyond
himself or the fact that he is not the only person in the universe.

--
I poured spot remover on my dog. Now he's gone.

In message <t2hv7k$jsl$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> Joerg is wrong of course™.

EVERYONE 'is wrong' according to sms, because the infantile sms cannot
conceive that other people are not like him and that different people
have different needs.

Compare with your average toddler and you will see the same behaviour.

--
"He uses statistics as a drunken man uses lamp-posts... for support
rather than illumination." - Andrew Lang (1844-1912)

In message <t2i5fs$dnk$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 11:41 AM, Alan Browne wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05 12:46, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>>> Not for me. I used to travel with a laptop, then I switched to a
>>> netbook, which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a tablet,
>>> which was smaller and lighter. Then I switched to a smart phone, which
>>> is smallest and lightest of all. I don't need and I don't want to
>>> travel with multiple devices.
>>
>> Depends on the trip, the purpose, the audience (if any), what other work
>> one intends to do in the Marriott at night ... editing a Powerpoint or
>> working on a spreadsheet on a small laptop is painful enough as it is.

> You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
> use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
> stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.

Complete and utter nonsense.

--
This man was clearly mad, but at the heart of his madness was a cold,
dreadful sanity, a core of pure interstellar ice in the centre of
the furnace. She'd thought him weak under a thin shell of
strength, but it went a lot further than that. Somewhere deep
inside his mind, somewhere beyond the event horizon of
rationality, the sheer pressure of insanity had hammered his
madness into something harder than diamond. --Wyrd Sisters

On 05.04.22 19:45, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 10:00 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> Yes, we all have different needs. That was my point.
>
> Joerg is wrong of course™.
>
> A good tablet, like an iPad Pro or a Samsung Galaxy S series, is not a
> "blown up phone."

It is even less. And it never has the versatility of a laptop or a
desktop computer. Tablets are a niche.

--
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On 4/5/2022 12:44 PM, John McGaw wrote:

<snip>

> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a full
> day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.

I try not to let my phones get below 20%.

When I do charging measurements I let it go from 20% to 100% and I
monitor the AC WH <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RNFQTL9> and a USB-C PD
tester <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000349886468.html>.

In article <slrnt4p8iq.1e99.g.kreme@zephyrus.local>, Lewis
<g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>
> > You could always connect your phone to the TV in the Marriott, and then
> > use a Bluetooth keyboard and mouse, but by the time you brought all that
> > stuff you might as well bring along a laptop.
>
> Complete and utter nonsense.

i use a folding keyboard that's about as big as an iphone and both can
fit in the *same* pocket if i wanted.

On 4/5/2022 4:21 PM, sms wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 12:44 PM, John McGaw wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a full
>> day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.
>
> I try not to let my phones get below 20%.
>
> When I do charging measurements I let it go from 20% to 100% and I monitor
> the AC WH <https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08RNFQTL9> and a USB-C PD tester
> <https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000349886468.html>.

I guess that you have _way_ more curiosity about it than I do then. I've
been a mobile user for, well I don't know how many years exactly but it
goes back to flip-phone and candy bar phones, years but I can't really
remember having a phone die on me when I needed it. In some phones, the
batteries were interchangeable and I usually had a spare. I finally decided
that carrying a battery bank with me when I'm headed out to the wilds of
the Scottish Highlands or wherever else I might be left powerless was a
simple solution. That takes a lot of the stress out of life at the cost of
maybe 12 extra ounces in my backpack.

At home I just put the phone on the bedside wireless charger every night
and forget about it until I get up in the morning and almost never look at
the battery level. The only reason I am more aware now is that I've
installed "Energy Ring" and it makes the relative battery level more visible.

--
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On 5 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>> don't already own a fast charger.
>
> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
> long it takes does not matter.

If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?

On 2022-04-05, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> They also don't come with a charger.
>>
>> Technically, the charger is built into the device. And they all come
>> with a USB charge cable.
>>
>> What newer smartphones no longer come with is a USB *power adapter*.
>> And since you can plug the USB charge cable into any USB power
>> source, that isn't nearly as big of a deal as some people seem to
>> desperately want to make it. The fact is many people already have USB
>> power adapters, USB ports on computers, and existing USB charge
>> cables that they continue to use even after purchasing a new
>> smartphone, which means for many people shipping a USB power adapter
>> with a new smartphone is wasteful.
>>
>> As I sit here typing this, I have twp USB charge cables, three
>> available USB-C ports, and four available USB-A ports, all within
>> easy reach. If I were sitting on the couch in my living room, I would
>> have two USB charge cables and a third USB power port available
>> within reach. And if I were laying in bed, I'd have yet another USB
>> charge cable within reach. I have a USB port and charge cable in the
>> car as well.
>>
>> And I'm not alone. Many people simply have no need for yet another
>> USB power adapter. Those who do need one can still purchase one - and
>> it doesn't have to be the same brand as the smartphone, since Anker
>> and others make perfectly good ones that you can purchase, often at
>> cheaper prices.
>
> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C
> PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.

Meh. They all charge my iPhone, which is what actually matters. I don't
need more USB power adapters, and I'm definitely not in the minority.
Sorry if that ruffles your sensitive feathers, but it's a fact you can't
refute no matter how loud you scream about it.

> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.

It seems the disbelief is coming from your side, Robby Boy. : )

> But "I already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly
> is not true!

It's absolutely true, Robby. And nothing you can say will change it.

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On 2022-04-05 3:29 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>
>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
>> long it takes does not matter.
>
> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
> want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?

Again.

The only question that matters is:

"Does it charge fast enough for the ways in which I use it?"

Jolly Roger wrote:

> Meh. They all charge my iPhone, which is what actually matters.

The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy is to
remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.

Frog. Boiling. Water. === Apple. Customer. iPhone.

In article <t2ifs9$u7o$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
<keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> >> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> >> don't already own a fast charger.
> >
> > most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where how
> > long it takes does not matter.
>
> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why wouldn't you
> want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you already paid for?

because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
often longer.

On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>
>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>
> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.

Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
reality.

> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
> don't already own a fast charger.

Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
while they sleep.

> They either will continue with slow charging or purchase a fast charger.

Yep, many will just continue to use their existing power adapters, which
equates to a net environmental savings when smartphone companies don't
include power adapters in the box. You trolls HATE this fact with a
passion, and you'll do everything you can to downplay it.

> If they're buying a phone in a store, the salesperson will likely
> suggest that they purchase a fast charger.

I call bullshit. No salesperson has suggested that I purchase a fast
charger for any of the smartphones I have purchased in the past decade.

> Once someone is paying hundreds of dollars (or more than a thousand
> dollars) for a new phone then the cost of a fast charger isn't
> significant and they'll probably buy one.

Unless you are going to provide actual statistics for this claim, I call
bullshit on it too.

[remainder of useless drivel rightfully ignored]

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On 2022-04-05, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 5 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>
>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where
>> how long it takes does not matter.
>
> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why
> wouldn't you want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you
> already paid for?

Because faster charging generates more heat, which lessens the overall
lifespan of a battery. And if my routine is already to charge my device
while I sleep, there's literally no benefit in needlessly decreasing the
overall lifespan of my battery simply "because I can". Also, I'd have
to spend money on a fast charge power adapter for no real gain. No
thanks.

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On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 1:39 AM, Chris wrote:
>> Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
>>> How long does it take to charge your phone from completely dead to
>>> completely full using the charger that came free with the phone?
>>
>> Impossible now that many/most phones don't come with a charger.
>>
>>> All modern phones nowadays have huge batteries and mine is no exception.
>>
>> They also don't come with a charger.
>
> Correct, even the lower-end phones that used to come with fast chargers
> have now dropped the charger.

Stop calling USB power adapters "chargers". You aren't fooling anyone.
The charge cable is still included in the box, and it can be connected
to any USB power adapter or port.

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In article <t2ih3o$1tta$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Andy Burnelli
<spam@nospam.com> wrote:

> The only reason Apple removed the charger is because Apple's strategy is to
> remove a key functionality each year from the entire iPhone model lineup.

exactly correct. it's widely known among insiders that after a few
years, apple will eventually remove the ability to make and receive
calls and change the name to just the letter i. no more 'phone' in the
name.

one key benefit of not needing to print the additional letters of the
product name on the box and other materials is a dramatic savings on
ink, which also has a key effect on global warming.