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* Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Andy Burnelli
+- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan
+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Chris
|+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Jolly Roger
||`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Rob
|| +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| |`- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Andy Burnelli
|| +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Andy Burnelli
|| |`- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan
|| +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?sms
|| |+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Ken Blake
|| ||+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Joerg Lorenz
|| |||`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Ken Blake
|| ||| `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?sms
|| |||  +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Lewis
|| |||  `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Joerg Lorenz
|| |||   `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Andy Burnelli
|| |||    +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Hank Rogers
|| |||    +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Rob
|| |||    |`- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Andy Burnelli
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|| ||+- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?sms
|| ||+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan Browne
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|| |||  `- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
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|| |+* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| ||`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?knuttle
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|| || ||`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Jolly Roger
|| || || `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?knuttle
|| || ||  +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan
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|| || ||  || |+- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| || ||  || |`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Nil
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|| || ||  || +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| || ||  || |`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Nil
|| || ||  || | `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan
|| || ||  || |  +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?sms
|| || ||  || |  `- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Lewis
|| || ||  || `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?sms
|| || ||  ||  +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| || ||  ||  |`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Nil
|| || ||  ||  | +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Alan
|| || ||  ||  | `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| || ||  ||  |  `* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Nil
|| || ||  ||  |   +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?nospam
|| || ||  ||  |   |`* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Nil
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|| || ||  ||  |   |      +* Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Laughing at Arlen
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|| || ||  ||     | | | +- Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?Why must Arlen lie?
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 by: Hank Rogers - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:14 UTC

Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.
>>
>> as well as many things other smartphones cannot.
>
> The iPhone is antediluvian technology mired in an ancient
> 15-year-old design.
> *The reason isn't the hardware; it's that Apple _cripples_ the
> software.*
>

You should throw your damn iPhones away! They're not good for you.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:34 UTC

On 2022-04-06 9:22 a.m., Andy Burnelli wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>
>>> It can do anything that any other smartphone can do.
>>
>> as well as many things other smartphones cannot.
>
> The iPhone is antediluvian technology mired in an ancient 15-year-old
> design.
> *The reason isn't the hardware; it's that Apple _cripples_ the software.*
>
> For example:
> a. Tell us nospam how that primitive iPhone handles GPS spoofing?

A.a. Not deciding that something is important isn't the same has
"crippling" anything.

> b. Tell us nospam how that archaic iPhone allows icons on any grid?

Making choices about user interface is a good thing.

> c. Tell us nospam how that inept iPhone sets the default messenger app

See A.a.

>   (or any number of default functionalities that _every_ other OS allows)?
> All by its itty bitty self.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:41 UTC

On 2022-04-06 10:10 a.m., Hank Rogers wrote:
> Andy Burnelli wrote:
>> sms wrote:
>>
>>> And of course there are environmental benefits to wireless charging
>>> that offset the tiny extra percentage of electricity used.
>>
>> Steve speaks dogma.
>>
>> Steve is a wacko far-to-the-left Democrat politician, hence it's expected
>> he'd play up only the dogma in his environmental crusade to raise taxes.
>>
>> That's normal for politicians, where the Democrats are _desperate_ to
>> enact
>> an entirely new shockingly huge taxation system (which is their main
>> goal).
>>
>> The Democrats like Steve, will brazenly lie, claiming every environmental
>> happenstance is due to "global warming" (ooops. "Climate Chage") dogma.
>>
>
> Are all democrats also uneducated iKooks? I bet they are.
>
>

You're operating on the assumption that Arlen has the wit to recognize
sarcasm.

I assure you:

He does not.

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 by: Andy Burnelli - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 17:51 UTC

Hank Rogers wrote:

> Are all democrats also uneducated iKooks? I bet they are.

Nobody said all democrats are either uneducated, or iKooks.

Are you stupid?

Every time you post you prove to have the same low IQ as does Alan Baker.

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Subject: Re: Time to charge YOUR phone from dead to full is what?
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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:03 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 1:51 AM, nospam wrote:
>
>> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
>> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
>> often longer.
>
> Just like having credit cards in your pocket, a fast charger is
> convenient when you need it & you don't have all day or all night to
> charge the phone.

Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in this
news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep shipping
those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need them, and
scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they don't have to
add yet another to their collection, and have no need for another.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:13 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 7:00 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at
>> night while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they
>> last all day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging
>> craze is mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need
>> such a thing.
>
> Sometimes you use the iPhone more than you normally do or you forget
> to charge it

Sorry, but I literally can't remember the last time that happened to me.
So the fact that I don't get yet another USB power adapter when I
upgrade to a new device is good for me and the environment. I'm
definitely not alone, so multiply this over millions of people and you
get a significant net energy / environmental savings. I'm sorry if this
bothers you, but again, it's definitely a Good Thing™.

> or you're out all night or you check into your hotel late and you have
> early meetings the next morning

I won't tell anyone how to live their lives, but being a professional in
my field, you definitely won't find me foolishly partying the night
before any important meetings - I'll definitely get at least 5 hours of
sleep the night before, which is plenty of time to charge my devices in
my hotel room, even with "slow" charging.

> or any of a million things that could prevent you from enjoying your
> full night every night slow charging cycle.

I mean, if that's a regular occurrence for *you*, and you want a fast
charging USB power adapter, I don't see anyone here suggesting you
shouldn't get and use one. But you can rest assured that those of us who
*don't* need one are perfectly happy not to find yet another power
adapter in the box when we upgrade to a new device.

> There's a great amount of convenience to fast charging that's really
> useful.
>
> You don't want that convenience but if you ever needed it, it would be
> nice convenience to have for free.

Meh. If I ever do need one, I'm fine with purchasing it. A few bucks
won't break my bank, and I'm happy to contribute to overall energy and
environmental savings.

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 by: Rob - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:17 UTC

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>
>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>
>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>
> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
> reality.

Not so quick...

>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>> don't already own a fast charger.
>
> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
> while they sleep.

It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
whatever is required to assure your safety.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:19 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/5/2022 11:21 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> There are times you're in a rush
>>
>> No there aren't. You're desperately trying to speak for me and many
>> others due to your bias, but it's clear you know nothing about my use
>> cases.
>
> A quick charger is convenient when you need it

You seem to be unable or unwilling to acknowledge that a whole lot of
people simply do not need it, even when people right here on Usenet tell
you straight to your face. It's really peculiar behavior.

> but if you don't mind waiting all day or all night
> for the phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a quick charger.

Yes, this describes me an many other people.

> What's the disadvantage of the convenience of a quick charger that
> makes you dislike quick chargers so much?

That's a dishonest characterization. Stating I don't need one is not
"disliking" them.

I simply don't need fast charging. And I also know that faster charging
generates more heat, which is detrimental to battery longevity. Not only
would using fast charging be wasted on my use cases, it would also
degrade my batteries faster than without. And the fact that smartphone
makers aren't including USB power adapters in the box is a net benefit
to me and millions of others who don't need yet another one - and also
to the overall environment. I'm simply not interested in having a fast
charge power adapter, nor am I interested in getting yet another power
adapter in the box each time I purchase a new device. I'm sorry if this
bothers you.

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 by: knuttle - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:21 UTC

On 4/6/2022 11:03 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:

> Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
> charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in this
> news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep shipping
> those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need them, and
> scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they don't have to
> add yet another to their collection, and have no need for another.

A washing machine and dryer is also wasteful if you have all night to wash
your clothes in a bathtub and hang them outside all day on a line to dry.

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 by: nospam - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:27 UTC

In article <slrnt4rma4.u4i.nomail@xs9.xs4all.nl>, Rob
<nomail@example.com> wrote:

> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.

no it isn't.

> It could
> catch fire.

that's highly unlikely, but that's what smoke detectors are for.

> Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> whatever is required to assure your safety.

if it did catch fire while sleeping, you would be there, so that bogus
issue is moot.

you're really grasping at straws.

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 by: Alan - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:27 UTC

On 2022-04-06 11:21 a.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 11:03 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
>> charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in this
>> news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep shipping
>> those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need them, and
>> scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they don't have to
>> add yet another to their collection, and have no need for another.
>
> A washing machine and dryer is also wasteful if you have all night to
> wash your clothes in a bathtub and hang them outside all day on a line
> to dry.

Wow.

What an utterly incorrect analogy?

Plugging your phone in just before bed is supposed to be analogous to
hand washing your clothes for hours?

How about...

Plugging in your phone before bed is like running the dishwasher?

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:28 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 12:33 PM, Lewis wrote:
>
>>> A quick charger is convenient when you need it because the phone is
>>> charged in no time flat, but if you don't mind waiting all day or
>>> all night for the phone to slowly charge, then you don't need a
>>> quick charger.
>>
>> You're being an idiot.
>
> You don't consider saved time a convenience?
>
>> It does not take all day nor all night to charge a phone.
>
> How long does it take to slow charge that phone of yours

Not that long. My current iPhone 13 Pro will charge from empty to full
in around 1 hour 30 minutes - and note that's with Apple slowing down
the charge rate towards the last ~30% of capacity to reduce the heat
generated, preserving overall battery life. If you consistently find
yourself needing to fully charge your devices faster, then you should
definitely get and use a fast charger. But for most of us, that's simply
not necessary. And there is a slew of folks who don't need yet another
power adapter when they upgrade to a new device. That's just how it is.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:30 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 1:51 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>> overnight while they sleep.
>
> The fast charger is just like more memory, more RAM, faster refresh
> rates & faster cpu's in that you can always use faster and better
> charging speeds.

You're ignoring that fast charging increases heat and degrades overall
battery life. Adding more RAM or a faster CPU doesn't degrade my
computer's lifespan. Is it really not okay with you that some of us
don't need fast charging?

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:32 UTC

On 2022-04-06, Andy Burnelli <spam@nospam.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>>> The only reason Apple...
>>
>> Blah blah blah. Arlen can't address the point, so he tries to derail
>> the thread instead. Lame troll.
>
> The iPhone is so primitive

Arlen still can't address the point, so he goes off on his repetitive,
obnoxious, and utterly boring anti-Apple rants. He's a broken record.
Sad.

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 by: sms - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:33 UTC

On 4/6/2022 9:03 AM, sms wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 12:25 AM, Alan wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> He and you are absolutely wrong.
>
> Yes, they are wrong.
>
> The problem some people have is that they don't look at the data or the
> big picture when it comes to the total worldwide electricity consumption
> versus the small amount of extra electricity consumed by wireless charging.
>
> Total world electricity consumption is about 24,000 trillion KWH per
> year. The extra electricity, if every mobile device was charged
> wirelessly instead of wired, would be 8-10 billion KWH per year. That
> sounds like a lot of KWH, but it's around 0.000003 percent to 0.000004
> percent of total world electricity consumption.

Sorry, my mistake, it's 0.00000000341 percent to 0.00000000421 percent.
I was off by a factor of 1000.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:37 UTC

On 2022-04-06, Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> In misc.phone.mobile.iphone Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, John McGaw <Nobody@Nowh.ere> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How long does it take _you_ to charge your phone from dead to
>> >> full?
>> >
>> > No idea. I've never had my Pixel 6 Pro get below maybe 40% after a
>> > full day of use and I can't see any reason to drain it on purpose.
>
>> Same with my iPhones for the past several years. I charge them at
>> night while I sleep, they are fully charged when I wake up, and they
>> last all day every day without needing a recharge. The fast charging
>> craze is mostly overblown hype to those of us who rarely if ever need
>> such a thing.
>
> I have to charge my old, used iPhones (6 + and 4S) and new 12 mini. I
> use them a lot! Also, it doens't help when cellular coverage is really
> bad here even if I disable cellular data. :(

Disabling only data isn't going to help when the signal is weak, because
your device will still ramp up the radio power to get the best cellular
connection possible for non-data connectivity. That will also cause
faster-than-normal battery drain, BTW.

Turning cellular off completely would help - or investing in a cellular
signal booster. You may want to ask your cellular provider for
assistance with that.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:44 UTC

On 2022-04-06, Joerg Lorenz <hugybear@gmx.ch> wrote:
> On 06.04.22 00:51, nospam wrote:
>> In article <t2ifs9$u7o$1@dont-email.me>, knuttle
>> <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>
>>>> most people don't need a fast charger. they charge overnight, where
>>>> how long it takes does not matter.
>>>
>>> If you paid dearly for a fancy iPhone that can fast charge why
>>> wouldn't you want your fancy iPhone to charge at the fast speeds you
>>> already paid for?
>>
>> because most of the time, fast charging is not needed, for any phone,
>> not just iphones. charge it overnight and it lasts at least a day,
>> often longer.
>
> I disagree. Sometimes it is very convenient

LOL... Do you ever read what you write? Can you distinguish between
these two phrases?:

"most of the time"

....and...

"Sometimes"

What people keep saying in this thread is that most of the time, most
people do not need fast charging. And no, you don't disagree - your
statement says it all. *Sometimes* (not most times, and not all of the
time) you find it convenient. You guys seem to have a *really* hard time
acknowledging that many people exist in this world who do not need fast
charging.

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 by: sms - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:45 UTC

On 4/6/2022 11:21 AM, knuttle wrote:

<snip>

> A washing machine and dryer is also wasteful if you have all night to
> wash your clothes in a bathtub and hang them outside all day on a line
> to dry.

Well actually it's not really much more work to hang the clothes on a
clothesline to dry, and it's not like a phone where you really need to
use all those clothes at the same time. The money I save by buying less
natural gas is actually measurable.

Washing your clothes in a tub is probably not an efficient use of water,
just as washing dishes in a sink, versus using a dishwasher, is not an
efficient use of water.

While it's disappointing that Android manufacturers have stopped
including fast chargers, and that Apple never included them, it's
understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting chargers.

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 by: nospam - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 18:50 UTC

In article <t2kn3s$dtu$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> While it's disappointing that Android manufacturers have stopped
> including fast chargers,

not really. those that need one can get one. most do not.

> and that Apple never included them,

yes they did with some models.

> it's
> understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting chargers.

they're not making more money by omitting it.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:00 UTC

On 2022-04-06, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>
> One minor annoyance I noticed when going from my 6s Plus to my Xr was
> the loss of the battery percentage indicator in the top-right corner of
> the screen

There's still a graphical battery meter up there. And a quick swipe from
the top-right corner displays the percentage in the Control Center.

Relevant article:

The constant stress of the battery meter
<https://www.theverge.com/tldr/2018/8/17/17716330/battery-meter-stress-nomophobia>
---
Imagine if at the beginning of the day, a clock started counting down
the time until some fundamental part of you stopped functioning. The
clock was in your field of vision most of the day, even though it almost
never actually got to zero.

I'm vastly exaggerating the stakes, but that's very much the type of
stress I feel every time I click on my phone and see the battery
percentage at the top right corner, like the slowest lit fuse in the
world.

This information is designed to be helpful. It's not. Instead, it's
enough to send us into tiny hysterias throughout the day: Do I need to
top off my battery before heading out for the night? Have I used too
much this morning?

Researchers are actually looking into the anxiety of phone separation

For me — and I'm sure I'm not alone — the stress kicks in before my
battery ever gets low. It's all in seeing the warning, not truly knowing
what it means. At least when my battery actually starts to fade, I know
what I need to do.

Turning off the battery percentage is one of the first things I do when
I get a new phone. But recently, after I updated my Pixel to Android
Pie, I've found that questionably precise counter to be unavoidable: the
new OS displays the battery percentage on my phone's lock screen no
matter what. And I keep finding myself glancing back at it — was that a
1 or a 7? — concerned that I'm missing some critical data that I
absolutely need to know.

Over the past decade, researchers have started looking into something
known as “nomophobia” that's supposed to describe the concern of
becoming disconnected from your phone. In May, The Wall Street Journal
reported finding 15 papers published on the subject in the past four
years.

<https://www.wsj.com/articles/your-phone-is-almost-out-of-battery-remain-calm-call-a-doctor-1525449283>

Some of that research has measured subjects' physical response to phone
cues — the Journal describes one that monitored heart rate after hearing
a text message tone. Many of other studies have come from self-reported
surveys, often of college students. It should come as no surprise that
today's college students, who have highly irregular schedules and grew
up with smartphones, are often concerned about becoming disconnected.

Even to me, as a person who finds something to stress about in a battery
gauge, this doesn't seem like a major problem. Being without a phone
means being without human contact, help lines, and entertainment. Yes,
we've lived without on-demand access to these things in the past — but
that's the past. They're normal now. Naturally, we'd worry about not
having them, just as we'd worry about the phone or TV going out a decade
ago, or simply how we still dislike missing out on a social event.
(Nomophobia and FOMO often seem to go hand in hand.)

Phones and accessories are evolving to address the problem

Most experts don't think nomophobia is a crucial problem, but it speaks
to a kind of anxiety. Like this year's trend to make our time using
phones “well spent,” phone makers will continually be pressed to address
this problem, be it with extended battery life or ways of stay connected
even once most of our phone stops functioning. To an extent, they
already are, with features like wireless charging that make it easier to
add a few extra percentage points to your phone while waiting at
Starbucks, or with LTE-connected smartwatches (another thing to keep
charging) that can keep going without your phone.

An entire industry of case and battery companies have also sprung forth
to save us from this concern. There are wildly different estimates, but
research firms see these companies booming, growing into businesses that
represent anywhere from $10 billion to more than $40 billion in revenue
in the next several years. There is, without question, a demand for
keeping our phones alive.

The anxiety has roots in reality; my phone only ever seems to die when I
need it most — navigating a new city, trying to hail a cab, having an
emotional breakdown in New Jersey. For me, the concern is less my
phone's death, and more the unknown as to what these numbers even mean:
we need to know the state of our phone's battery, but we need to be told
it in a more useful way that lets us know how to act, instead of just
stressing and guessing.

Fortunately, our phones are starting to get smarter about handling their
battery. In Android Pie, the OS will send you a notification when your
battery gets low, not just telling you what percentage you have left,
but telling you exactly what time of day it expects the battery to last
until. Apple hasn't made iOS quite that proactive, but it has removed
the exact battery percentage from beside the icon on most screens of the
iPhone X. And both operating systems now offer a low-power mode, which
dramatically lowers the stakes of actually crossing below whatever
battery threshold seems too low to you.

These are encouraging steps. But I hope for the day when I don't have to
see that icon at all. Knowing our battery percentage should be like
knowing our processor speed: unless it's about to crash or catch fire, I
don't want to see it.

As for the stress, I can't fault anyone for it. It's easy to dismiss it
as a generation of kids unable to detach themselves from a new toy; but
really, we're seeing people who want to stay in touch to friends and
family. Smartphones are a link to your community — no wonder people
don't want to feel disconnected.
---

> but that went away beginning with the X and apparently was related t
> the loss of screen real estate due to the notch.

Yep, that's when the change happened. As I said, though, you can still
see the percentage in the Control Center with a quick swipe. So it's a
minor inconvenience at worst, and may be an actual benefit considering
overall stress levels.

> As the notch shrinks in future iPhones, perhaps that indicator will
> come back.

Doubtful. Not only is it unnecessary, but it's also just an estimate
anyway, and I have no doubt most people are just fine with a graphical
representation of the charge level.

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 by: nospam - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:05 UTC

In article <jb66arFn2l5U9@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
<jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:

> > As the notch shrinks in future iPhones, perhaps that indicator will
> > come back.
>
> Doubtful. Not only is it unnecessary, but it's also just an estimate
> anyway, and I have no doubt most people are just fine with a graphical
> representation of the charge level.

relatively few people enabled the percentage option.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:15 UTC

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 11:03 AM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Fast charging is both unnecessary and wasteful for the millions who
>> charge their devices overnight while they sleep, yet some trolls in
>> this news group adamantly claim smartphone makers should just keep
>> shipping those fast charge USB power adapters to those who don't need
>> them, and scoff whenever someone mentions that they are glad they
>> don't have to add yet another to their collection, and have no need
>> for another.
>
> A washing machine and dryer is also wasteful if you have all night to
> wash your clothes in a bathtub and hang them outside all day on a line
> to dry.

Jesus Christ. That's such a stupid analogy I'm not even going to bother
responding to it. You guys are just fucking dumb.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:23 UTC

On 2022-04-06, Rob <nomail@example.com> wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
>>>> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern
>>>> USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>
>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already
>>>> have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>
>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>
>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit
>> that reality.
>
> Not so quick...

Too late - already said it.

>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>> charging don't already own a fast charger.
>>
>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>> overnight while they sleep.
>
> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.

By whom, exactly? And why should the millions of people who do charge
their devices overnight while they sleep pay any attention to whoever
said this?

> It could catch fire.

So could all of the other electronic devices in my house, many of which
are battery-powered including UPS power backups with huge batteries, and
so on. Should I power down and unplug everything electronic in my house
each night before I sleep on the off chance one of them might burst into
flames? I mean, I've only been using battery-powered electronic devices
for a few decades now without any such incidents, but who knows, right?

> Always make sure you are there to notice that and do whatever is
> required to assure your safety.

I'm pretty sure I have been there this entire time.

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 by: Jolly Roger - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:28 UTC

On 2022-04-06, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <jb66arFn2l5U9@mid.individual.net>, Jolly Roger
><jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>>> As the notch shrinks in future iPhones, perhaps that indicator will
>>> come back.
>>
>> Doubtful. Not only is it unnecessary, but it's also just an estimate
>> anyway, and I have no doubt most people are just fine with a
>> graphical representation of the charge level.
>
> relatively few people enabled the percentage option.

I'm sure that's the case. And I'm certain Apple has internal metrics to
back that up. : )

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 by: Alan - Wed, 6 Apr 2022 19:34 UTC

On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger wired
>>>> via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD supply
>>>> wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>
>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me. But "I already have
>>>> a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>
>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>
>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>> reality.
>
> Not so quick...
>
>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>
>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>> while they sleep.
>
> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep. It could
> catch fire. Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
> whatever is required to assure your safety.

Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?

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