In article <t2ntct$si3$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> >> Apple makes a big deal about electrocution from non-Apple chargers.
> >
> > no they don't.
>
> Yes they do.

no, they do not, as explained in the part you snipped.

apple even sells non-apple chargers in their stores and online.

In article <t2nthb$v0g$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>
> The sales person will make a big deal about electrocution from non Apple
> chargers

no they won't.

> which Apple removed when they put the 20 W charger in the store.

apple never sold no-name non-compliant chargers.

On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

> apple even sells non-apple chargers in their stores and online.

Apple has always played up the electrocution risk of non Apple chargers.
Apple saves BILLIONS of dollars and gains even more billions by doing this.
What non Apple 20W charger is sold in the Apple stores and online?

On 2022-04-07 4:51 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> Apple makes a big deal about electrocution from non-Apple chargers.
>>
>> no they don't.
>
> Yes they do.

No. They really don't.

If you could show them making a "big deal" of it...

....you would have...

....Arlen.

On 2022-04-07 4:53 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> But in-person sales almost certainly result in more sales of chargers
>>> because the buyer doesn't want to appear to be cheaping out by not
>>> buying the suggested genuine accessories.
>>
>> that's quite a stretch, even for you.
>
> The sales person will make a big deal about electrocution from non Apple
> chargers which Apple removed when they put the 20 W charger in the store.

Why must you lie...

....Arlen?

<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HN8E2ZM/A/native-union-smart-charging-hub-pd?fnode=6eddd30eef379a510c74e785d02a7b01a7d8d1d861d0c65adb40749c048ce089a1da7bfee821165942de16910d0e39cd7cc9f55d435aa2b65d5ab83df8260a32f87ea9c24be6001ca7f2e1d28aac34be19f0d0b150a830c737edab9c8339c4c6ac720c50fe8991bf185dce004e6aa99c&fs=f%3Dcharger%26fh%3D458e%252B45d4>

<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HPYU2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-32w?fnode=5ac707722afe06b7708fda6efa98dd5a77c0a51dd368f5dd5a4de46669dc6e591d86fee2153fac142030b6c320a67d6b6a9bdc1d09de8fc03c29e1a966df44b8a07c1b321ad3e7414c0fe0c201dc5436794d9256604944ec804222328c1086c7322f58952fdfe67fc235a7a154c7f0b3&fs=f%3Dcharger%26fh%3D458e%252B45d4>

<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable?fnode=5ac707722afe06b7708fda6efa98dd5a77c0a51dd368f5dd5a4de46669dc6e591d86fee2153fac142030b6c320a67d6b6a9bdc1d09de8fc03c29e1a966df44b8a07c1b321ad3e7414c0fe0c201dc5436794d9256604944ec804222328c1086c7322f58952fdfe67fc235a7a154c7f0b3&fs=f%3Dcharger%26fh%3D458e%252B45d4>

On 2022-04-07 5:03 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>> apple even sells non-apple chargers in their stores and online.
>
> Apple has always played up the electrocution risk of non Apple chargers.

And yet you can't produce a single quote...

> Apple saves BILLIONS of dollars and gains even more billions by doing this.
> What non Apple 20W charger is sold in the Apple stores and online?

<https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable?fnode=5ac707722afe06b7708fda6efa98dd5a77c0a51dd368f5dd5a4de46669dc6e591d86fee2153fac142030b6c320a67d6b6a9bdc1d09de8fc03c29e1a966df44b8a07c1b321ad3e7414c0fe0c201dc5436794d9256604944ec804222328c1086c7322f58952fdfe67fc235a7a154c7f0b3&fs=f%3Dcharger%26fh%3D458e%252B45d4>

In message <070420221958532791%nospam@nospam.invalid> nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> In article <slrnt4ur9j.5te.g.kreme@m1mini.local>, Lewis
> <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote:

>> In message <t2njns$34r$1@dont-email.me> sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>> > you can get the unlocked iPhone 11 for substantially less than the SE3
>> > 2022,
>>
>> You continue to repeat this lie, because you are a liar and a troll.
>>
>> This is NOT TRUE.
>>
>> It was not true then, it is not true now.

> it is if you compare a discounted price for the iphone 11 with full
> retail price for the se.

In that case they are both free. And were both free at the time the SE
2022 was introduced.

> that is of course, a completely bogus comparison.

Yep.

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On 4/7/2022 5:07 PM, Alan wrote:
> On 2022-04-07 5:03 p.m., Nil wrote:
>> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>>
>>> apple even sells non-apple chargers in their stores and online.
>>
>> Apple has always played up the electrocution risk of non Apple chargers.
>
> And yet you can't produce a single quote...
>
>> Apple saves BILLIONS of dollars and gains even more billions by doing
>> this.
>> What non Apple 20W charger is sold in the Apple stores and online?
>
> <https://www.apple.com/ca/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable?fnode=5ac707722afe06b7708fda6efa98dd5a77c0a51dd368f5dd5a4de46669dc6e591d86fee2153fac142030b6c320a67d6b6a9bdc1d09de8fc03c29e1a966df44b8a07c1b321ad3e7414c0fe0c201dc5436794d9256604944ec804222328c1086c7322f58952fdfe67fc235a7a154c7f0b3&fs=f%3Dcharger%26fh%3D458e%252B45d4>

Apple resells a bunch of Belkin stuff, including power-related stuff:
<https://www.apple.com/shop/iphone/accessories/power-cables?fh=458e%2B3233>.

For the 20W charger see
<https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable>

On 7 Apr 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

> For the 20W charger see
> <https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable>

Thanks for the Belken 20W charger as I'm only discussing those fast chargers
which are the correct 20W fast chargers for the iPhone 12 & iPhone 13.

Anything less than the correct 20W fast charger is garbage imho and Apple
will tell the customer NOT to buy any charger that isn't electrically safe.

Apple says to use only /Apple/ chargers or those stamped with the words
/"Made for iPhone"/ in the support page on critical safety information.

https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/important-safety-information-iph301fc905/ios
Charge the iPhone battery using the charging cable (included) and an /Apple/
USB power adapter (sold separately).

You can also charge iPhone with "Made for iPhone" or other third-party
cables and power adapters... Other adapters may not meet applicable safety
standards, and charging with such adapters could pose a risk of death or
injury.

If the charger isn't from Apple and if it doesn't say "Made for iPhone" than
Apple will not recommend it & they will tell customers it can kill them.

Do you know if that 20W non Apple charger you found says "Made for iPhone?"

On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>> The sales person will make a big deal about electrocution from non Apple
>> chargers
>
> no they won't.

Yes they will.
Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).

>> which Apple removed when they put the 20 W charger in the store.
>
> apple never sold no-name non-compliant chargers.

Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.

On 2022-04-07 6:16 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>> For the 20W charger see
>> <https://www.apple.com/shop/product/HPYV2ZM/A/belkin-boost%E2%86%91charge-pro-usb-c-wall-charger-20w-with-cable>
>
> Thanks for the Belken 20W charger as I'm only discussing those fast chargers
> which are the correct 20W fast chargers for the iPhone 12 & iPhone 13.

It is a correct charger for an iPhone 12 or iPhone 13.

>
> Anything less than the correct 20W fast charger is garbage imho and Apple
> will tell the customer NOT to buy any charger that isn't electrically safe.
>
> Apple says to use only /Apple/ chargers or those stamped with the words
> /"Made for iPhone"/ in the support page on critical safety information.

Where does Apple say that

>
> https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/important-safety-information-iph301fc905/ios
> Charge the iPhone battery using the charging cable (included) and an /Apple/
> USB power adapter (sold separately).
>
> You can also charge iPhone with "Made for iPhone" or other third-party
> cables and power adapters... Other adapters may not meet applicable safety
> standards, and charging with such adapters could pose a risk of death or
> injury.
>

"You can also charge iPhone with “Made for iPhone” or other third-party
cables and power adapters that are compliant with USB 2.0 or later and
with applicable country regulations and international and regional
safety standards."

Why did you deliberately leave out " that are compliant with USB 2.0 or
later and with applicable country regulations and international and
regional safety standards."?

> If the charger isn't from Apple and if it doesn't say "Made for iPhone" than
> Apple will not recommend it & they will tell customers it can kill them.

Where do they say that? Not at the only source you've provided.

In fact, they say this:

"Other adapters may not meet applicable safety standards, and charging
with such adapters could pose a risk of death or injury."

Apple says that chargers that don't meet the USB 2.0 standard and safety
standards may not be safe.

That is, in FACT, a correct statement.

>
> Do you know if that 20W non Apple charger you found says "Made for iPhone?"

Apple quite clearly says:

Use charger that meets USB 2.0 AND applicable safety standards.

They do NOT say that using a non-Apple charger that meets those
standards is in any way a danger.

On 2022-04-07 6:27 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> The sales person will make a big deal about electrocution from non Apple
>>> chargers
>>
>> no they won't.
>
> Yes they will.

No. They won't.

>
> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).

That is simply a lie.

In article <t2o31b$ij$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

>
> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).

the charger does *not* need to be made for iphone.

it only needs to be usb compliant, which is nearly all chargers.

only the noname garbage is not, which should never be used with any
device, regardless of who made it or what it does.

> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.

no they didn't.

nospam wrote:
> In article <t2o31b$ij$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
> <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
>> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).
>
> the charger does *not* need to be made for iphone.
>
> it only needs to be usb compliant, which is nearly all chargers.
>
> only the noname garbage is not, which should never be used with any
> device, regardless of who made it or what it does.
>
>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>
> no they didn't.
>

So, how much did it cost them to NOT include the chargers?

On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
>> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).
>
> the charger does *not* need to be made for iphone.

Nobody said that so please read for comprehension.

> it only needs to be usb compliant, which is nearly all chargers.

Please read for comprehension the link I gave you for what Apple said.
> only the noname garbage is not, which should never be used with any
> device, regardless of who made it or what it does.

Apple has played up for years the risk of using old & non Apple chargers.

Using damaged cables or chargers, or charging when moisture is present, can
cause fire, electric shock, injury, or damage to iPhone or other property.
>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>
> no they didn't.

Yes they did.
You can deny that it you want but you'd be wrong every time you deny it.

Look it up.
Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.

On 7 Apr 2022, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>>
>> no they didn't.
>>
>
> So, how much did it cost them to NOT include the chargers?

Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.

On 2022-04-07 7:36 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
>>> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).
>>
>> the charger does *not* need to be made for iphone.
>
> Nobody said that so please read for comprehension.
>
>> it only needs to be usb compliant, which is nearly all chargers.
>
> Please read for comprehension the link I gave you for what Apple said.

You mean where you lied about what Apple said.

>
>> only the noname garbage is not, which should never be used with any
>> device, regardless of who made it or what it does.
>
> Apple has played up for years the risk of using old & non Apple chargers.

And yet you cannot produce a reference.

>
> Using damaged cables or chargers, or charging when moisture is present, can
> cause fire, electric shock, injury, or damage to iPhone or other property.

Yes. And?

>
>>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>>
>> no they didn't.
>
> Yes they did.
> You can deny that it you want but you'd be wrong every time you deny it.
>
> Look it up.
> Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.

No. YOU produce your evidence.

On 2022-04-07 7:37 p.m., Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>>>
>>> no they didn't.
>>>
>>
>> So, how much did it cost them to NOT include the chargers?
>
> Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.

And look:

The goalposts get moved AND you still produce no evidence!

Nil wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>>>
>>> no they didn't.
>>>
>>
>> So, how much did it cost them to NOT include the chargers?
>
> Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.
>

Was that calculated using apple's overpriced retail price tags on
the items removed, or their *actual* cost that they would have had
to pay the chinese to manufacture the junk for them?

In message <t2o2d3$l6q$1@dont-email.me> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> If the charger isn't from Apple and

No, not 'and', OR.

> if it doesn't say "Made for iPhone" than Apple will not recommend it &
> they will tell customers it can kill them.

Because bad chargers have, in point o fact, killed people.

> Do you know if that 20W non Apple charger you found says "Made for iPhone?"

Apple sells legitimate, tested, certified, and safe chargers, you
dumbass. Not just their own, but others as well.

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In message <t2o31b$ij$1@dont-email.me> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>>> The sales person will make a big deal about electrocution from non Apple
>>> chargers
>>
>> no they won't.

> Yes they will.
>
> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).

Nope, that is not at all what Apple has said. You are lying.

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In message <t2o75r$f97$1@dont-email.me> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>>>> Apple made BILLIONS by not including the charger.
>>>
>>> no they didn't.
>>>
>>
>> So, how much did it cost them to NOT include the chargers?

> Apple made $6.5 billion by removing the charger & EarPods from the iPhones.

I'd love to see a citation for that, but you are incapable of that,
trollboi.

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In message <t2o733$drq$1@dont-email.me> Nil <rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:
> On 7 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>>> Apple has always said either use ONLY Apple chargers or ONLY chargers that
>>> say "Made for iPhone" (which is a very tiny percentage of USB-C chargers).
>>
>> the charger does *not* need to be made for iphone.

> Nobody said that so please read for comprehension.

Oh, we read it. We understood it. You, on the otherhand, seem to have a
processing problem.

>> it only needs to be usb compliant, which is nearly all chargers.

> Please read for comprehension the link I gave you for what Apple said.

Yes, you really should read what Apple said this time try reading *all*
the words.

>> only the noname garbage is not, which should never be used with any
>> device, regardless of who made it or what it does.

> Apple has played up for years the risk of using old & non Apple chargers.

No. Apple has told people that using counterfeit or uncertified chargers
is dangerous, because it is. And using them may cause serious injury or
death because THEY HAVE.

> Yes they did.

You repeatedly saying "yes they like" like a 4yo doesn't male you right
no matter how firmly you stamp your widdle feet.

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On 8 Apr 2022, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

> Apple sells legitimate, tested, certified, and safe chargers, you
> dumbass. Not just their own, but others as well.

Apple does NOT include any legitimate, tested, certified, and safe chargers
in the iPhone box and you likely don't have an unused correct charger since
it never came with any iPhone, so how is it good for the environment that
you have to go out and purchase that correct fast charger now?

Apple reportedly made 6.5 billion dollars out of removing the charger &
earpods from the iPhone box. And you still think it was for the environment?

On 8 Apr 2022, Lewis <g.kreme@kreme.dont-email.me> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

> Apple has told people that using counterfeit or uncertified chargers
> is dangerous, because it is. And using them may cause serious injury or
> death because THEY HAVE.

At least you're not too stupid to know that Apple always says that.