On 4/6/2022 3:16 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <t2ksuk$731$1@dont-email.me>, sms
>> <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>
>>> Yes, I've seen articles that proclaim that as well. But the reality is
>>> that phones exploding or bursting into flames while charging (or while
>>> not charging) is a pretty rare occurrence, at least it has been since
>>> the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Macbook debacles.
>>
>> there was no macbook debacle.
>>

<snip>

>
> Like at a beach party.

nospam is wrong of course™.

"Apple recalls 432,000 MacBook Pro laptops for fire and burn risks"

<https://www.cbsnews.com/news/macbook-recall-apple-recalls-432000-macbook-pro-laptops-due-to-fire-and-burn-risks/>

On 2022-04-06 3:26 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 2:45 PM, sms wrote:
>
>> While it's disappointing that Android manufacturers have stopped
>> including fast chargers, and that Apple never included them, it's
>> understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting
>> chargers.
>
> The OnePlus 9 Pro came out in 2022 and it includes a 65 watt fast charger.
> TomsGuide tested the charge speed from empty to full to be only 30 minutes.
> That's convenient.
>
> Can you get that free 65 watt charger convenience if used on your iPhone?

"Full" isn't the important metric.

Empty to X hours of use is the important metric.

According to Tom's Guide, the OnePlus Pro, they do say that it will
charge from 0 to 99% in 30 minutes with the 65W charger...

....but that only represents (again, according to the same review) about
10 hours 40 minutes of life.

So the question is really:

How many minutes does it take to charge the battery to that level of life?

The current iPhone of equivalent size to the OnePlus 9 is the iPhone 13
Pro Max, and at full charge, Tom's Guide says it will run for 12 hours
16 minutes.

So you don't need to charge the iPhone 13 Pro Max to full to get the
same usage time; how much time does it take to get to (640/736*100) 86%
charge?

If you use a high-powered charger, the answer is:

Not enough longer to fuss about.

On 2022-04-06, knuttle <keith_nuttle@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 2:30 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>
>> Is it really not okay with you that some of us don't need fast
>> charging?
>
> It's fine if you want to do things the way your great grandmother did.

Smartphones weren't even invented back then, dip shit troll. God you're
stupid.

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In article <t2l762$eh2$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> >>>
> >>> Yes, I've seen articles that proclaim that as well. But the reality is
> >>> that phones exploding or bursting into flames while charging (or while
> >>> not charging) is a pretty rare occurrence, at least it has been since
> >>> the Samsung Galaxy Note 7 and Macbook debacles.
> >>
> >> there was no macbook debacle.
> >>
> >

> "Apple recalls 432,000 MacBook Pro laptops for fire and burn risks"

a recall is not a debacle. two very different things.

a lot of products with lithium ion batteries get recalled, including
dell, sony, nikon and many others. it's unfortunate, but it does
happen.

dell had one of the larger recalls:
<https://www.cpsc.gov/Recalls/2006/dell-announces-recall-of-notebook-com
puter-batteries-due-to-fire-hazard>
Dell Announces Recall of Notebook Computer Batteries Due To Fire
Hazard
....
Units: About 2.7 million battery packs (an additional 1.5 million
battery packs were sold outside the U.S.)

the difference with the galaxy note 7 is many of them actually caught
fire, resulting in a ban on commercial airlines and recalled not once,
but *twice* because samsung denied the extent of the problem. that is
very much a debacle.

On 4/6/2022 7:20 PM, Alan wrote:

> The current iPhone of equivalent size to the OnePlus 9 is the iPhone 13
> Pro Max, and at full charge, Tom's Guide says it will run for 12 hours
> 16 minutes.

That's a short run time compared to the run time Toms Guide said the battery
life is for the $250 2021 Moto G Power which ran over a third longer than
that iPhone Pro Max 13 does at over 16 hours in a 2021 Moto G Power review.

On 2022-04-06 5:40 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/6/2022 7:20 PM, Alan wrote:
>
>> The current iPhone of equivalent size to the OnePlus 9 is the iPhone
>> 13 Pro Max, and at full charge, Tom's Guide says it will run for 12
>> hours 16 minutes.
>
> That's a short run time compared to the run time Toms Guide said the
> battery
> life is for the $250 2021 Moto G Power which ran over a third longer than
> that iPhone Pro Max 13 does at over 16 hours in a 2021 Moto G Power review.

And now you're completely moving the goalposts.

It's what losers do.

On 2022-04-06 22:25:07 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
>>>>>>> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD
>>>>>>> supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I already
>>>>>>> have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>>
>>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>>>>> reality.
>>>>
>>>> Not so quick...
>>>>
>>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>>
>>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>>>>> while they sleep.
>>>>
>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>
>>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>>
>> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
>> aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else at
>> the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything not
>> needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>
> Wow.
>
> How utterly ridiculous?
>
> The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?

I did say where sensible. The fridge, oven, microwave, hot water
cylinder, etc. are not turned off ... although realistically the clock
(as opposed to a timer) on the microwave is pretty useless anyway, so
could easily be turned off - there are at least two other battery wall
clocks nearby.

Things like the TV, the Sky TV box, desktop computer, etc. are all
turned off at night, simply because there's zero point leaving them on
(other than sheer laziness). The Sky TV box is left on during the day
since it is used to record shows, but at night there's no need for it.

On 2022-04-06 22:21:14 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 3:05 p.m., knuttle wrote:
>> On 4/6/2022 2:30 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>>
>>> Is it really not okay with you that some of us
>>> don't need fast charging?
>>
>> It's fine if you want to do things the way your great grandmother did.
>>
>> I prefer the convenience of a (fast) dryer while you're waiting all night
>> for your clothes to dry on the (slow) line and you're complaining about it.
>
> You're not "waiting", you twit:
>
> YOU'RE SLEEPING!

Clothes on a washing line (especially on outdoors one) don't dry very
well at night. You're best to put them there during the day.

On 2022-04-06 22:23:30 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 2:58 p.m., knuttle wrote:
>> On 4/6/2022 9:21 PM, Lewis wrote:
>>>
>>> You keep making very silly comparisons that are not comparisons at all.
>>
>> Washing by hand & hanging up to dry all night is better for the environment.
>> Using a washer & dryer is more convenient.
>
> It's still not a good comparison.
>
> Here is what people really want when they put their phones on to charge
> when they go to bed:
>
> For it to be fully charged when they get up.

The electricity is also often cheaper at night, which is why electric
car makers suggest charging them over night too.

On 2022-04-06 22:20:40 +0000, Alan said:

> On 2022-04-06 3:00 p.m., knuttle wrote:
>> On 4/6/2022 2:13 PM, Jolly Roger wrote:
>>
>>> Meh. If I ever do need one, I'm fine with purchasing it. A few bucks
>>> won't break my bank, and I'm happy to contribute to overall energy and
>>> environmental savings.
>>
>> The difference between a slow charger and a fast charger is the same concept
>> as the difference between drying clothes on a clothes line all night (slow)
>> or putting them in the dryer (fast).
>
> You insist on drawing ridiculous analogies.
>
> Put your clothes in a dryer and they'll definitely be dry in the morning.
>
> Put your clothes on the line, and they may or may not be dry depending
> up on the weather.
>
> Put your phone on a fast or slow charger when you go to bed and it will
> definitely be fully charged in the morning.

Unless the phone bursts into flame while you're alseep. ;-)
Then, not only will the phone not be fully charged in the morning, but
you'll have a lot more to worry about (assuming you woke up and got
out).

On 2022-04-06 6:52 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-04-06 22:25:07 +0000, Alan said:
>> On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>>>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB
>>>>>>>> charger wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a
>>>>>>>> modern USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to
>>>>>>>> USB-C lead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I
>>>>>>>> already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is
>>>>>>>> not true!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not so quick...
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>>>>> charging
>>>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>>>>>> overnight
>>>>>> while they sleep.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>>
>>>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>>>
>>> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
>>> aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else
>>> at the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything
>>> not needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> How utterly ridiculous?
>>
>> The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?
>
> I did say where sensible. The fridge, oven, microwave, hot water
> cylinder, etc. are not turned off ... although realistically the clock
> (as opposed to a timer) on the microwave is pretty useless anyway, so
> could easily be turned off - there are at least two other battery wall
> clocks nearby.
>
> Things like the TV, the Sky TV box, desktop computer, etc. are all
> turned off at night, simply because there's zero point leaving them on
> (other than sheer laziness). The Sky TV box is left on during the day
> since it is used to record shows, but at night there's no need for it.
>
>
>

So... ...why turn off the other things? Why bother?

On 4/7/2022 2:35 AM, Alan wrote:

> And now you're completely moving the goalposts.

YOU brought up the run time in a thread about charging time, not me.

> It's what losers do.

You changed the goal posts from charging time to run time. Not me.
It's what you losers do.

Buhbye.

On 2022-04-07 02:02:52 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 6:52 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-04-06 22:25:07 +0000, Alan said:
>>> On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
>>>>>>>>> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD
>>>>>>>>> supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I already
>>>>>>>>> have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not so quick...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>>>>>>> while they sleep.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>>>>
>>>> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
>>>> aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else at
>>>> the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything not
>>>> needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>>>
>>> Wow.
>>>
>>> How utterly ridiculous?
>>>
>>> The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?
>>
>> I did say where sensible. The fridge, oven, microwave, hot water
>> cylinder, etc. are not turned off ... although realistically the clock
>> (as opposed to a timer) on the microwave is pretty useless anyway, so
>> could easily be turned off - there are at least two other battery wall
>> clocks nearby.
>>
>> Things like the TV, the Sky TV box, desktop computer, etc. are all
>> turned off at night, simply because there's zero point leaving them on
>> (other than sheer laziness). The Sky TV box is left on during the day
>> since it is used to record shows, but at night there's no need for it.
>
> So... ...why turn off the other things? Why bother?

Why leave them on unneccesarily?? Do you leave you car in the parking
lot with the engine running?? Do you leave the shower running all day??

On 2022-04-06 9:08 p.m., Your Name wrote:
> On 2022-04-07 02:02:52 +0000, Alan said:
>> On 2022-04-06 6:52 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>> On 2022-04-06 22:25:07 +0000, Alan said:
>>>> On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>>>> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB
>>>>>>>>>> charger wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and
>>>>>>>>>> a modern USB-C PD supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to
>>>>>>>>>> USB-C lead.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I
>>>>>>>>>> already have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly
>>>>>>>>>> is not true!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new
>>>>>>>> power adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves
>>>>>>>> to admit that reality.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not so quick...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast
>>>>>>>>> charging
>>>>>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>>>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices
>>>>>>>> overnight while they sleep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to
>>>>>> bed?
>>>>>
>>>>> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc.
>>>>> that aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off
>>>>> everything else at the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we
>>>>> go out, everything not needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>>>>
>>>> Wow.
>>>>
>>>> How utterly ridiculous?
>>>>
>>>> The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?
>>>
>>> I did say where sensible. The fridge, oven, microwave, hot water
>>> cylinder, etc. are not turned off ... although realistically the
>>> clock (as opposed to a timer) on the microwave is pretty useless
>>> anyway, so could easily be turned off - there are at least two other
>>> battery wall clocks nearby.
>>>
>>> Things like the TV, the Sky TV box, desktop computer, etc. are all
>>> turned off at night, simply because there's zero point leaving them
>>> on (other than sheer laziness). The Sky TV box is left on during the
>>> day since it is used to record shows, but at night there's no need
>>> for it.
>>
>> So... ...why turn off the other things? Why bother?
>
> Why leave them on unneccesarily?? Do you leave you car in the parking
> lot with the engine running?? Do you leave the shower running all day??

Leaving something plugged in with it's own power off, but with the power
turned off at the plug wastes... ...how much?

My television for instance. I can turn it on from the remote in the
morning, so it's clearly drawing some power... ...but how much is that
really?

On 2022-04-06 8:38 p.m., knuttle wrote:
> On 4/7/2022 2:35 AM, Alan wrote:
>
>> And now you're completely moving the goalposts.
>
> YOU brought up the run time in a thread about charging time, not me.

I brought it up to put the actual important fact about charging time
into the discussion.

You DO agree that if a phone has a small battery and this reaches full
charge quickly, it isn't the charging time that's important, right?

>
>> It's what losers do.
>
> You changed the goal posts from charging time to run time. Not me.
> It's what you losers do.

Because run time per charge time is the actually important metric.

But you're too stupid to figure that out on your own.

On 2022-04-07 04:29:42 +0000, Alan said:
> On 2022-04-06 9:08 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>> On 2022-04-07 02:02:52 +0000, Alan said:
>>> On 2022-04-06 6:52 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>>> On 2022-04-06 22:25:07 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>> On 2022-04-06 2:37 p.m., Your Name wrote:
>>>>>> On 2022-04-06 19:34:40 +0000, Alan said:
>>>>>>> On 2022-04-06 11:17 a.m., Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-05, sms <scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 4/5/2022 6:58 AM, Rob wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Well, there is quite a big difference between a classic USB charger
>>>>>>>>>>> wired via a USB-A to USB-C lead to a USB-C phone, and a modern USB-C PD
>>>>>>>>>>> supply wired to a USB-C phone via a USB-C to USB-C lead.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When you do not want to believe that, fine with me.  But "I already
>>>>>>>>>>> have a charger so no need to buy a new one" certainly is not true!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You're correct, and Jolly Roger is wrong of course™.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Nope, I'm right that many people including me don't need a new power
>>>>>>>>> adapter. You dip shit trolls just can't bring yourselves to admit that
>>>>>>>>> reality.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not so quick...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Most people upgrading their iPhone to one that supports fast charging
>>>>>>>>>> don't already own a fast charger.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Most people don't need a fast charge power adapter when they have
>>>>>>>>> existing power adapters that they use to charge their devices overnight
>>>>>>>>> while they sleep.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.  It could
>>>>>>>> catch fire.  Always make sure you are there to notice that and do
>>>>>>>> whatever is required to assure your safety.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you unplug every electrical device in your home when you go to bed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Except for a few things like the fridge, the aircon system, etc. that
>>>>>> aren't possible/sensible to turn off, we do turn off everything else at
>>>>>> the wall socket when we go to bed. Even when we go out, everything not
>>>>>> needed is turned off at the wall socket.
>>>>>
>>>>> Wow.
>>>>>
>>>>> How utterly ridiculous?
>>>>>
>>>>> The microwave; with it's clock? Do you reset it every morning?
>>>>
>>>> I did say where sensible. The fridge, oven, microwave, hot water
>>>> cylinder, etc. are not turned off ... although realistically the clock
>>>> (as opposed to a timer) on the microwave is pretty useless anyway, so
>>>> could easily be turned off - there are at least two other battery wall
>>>> clocks nearby.
>>>>
>>>> Things like the TV, the Sky TV box, desktop computer, etc. are all
>>>> turned off at night, simply because there's zero point leaving them on
>>>> (other than sheer laziness). The Sky TV box is left on during the day
>>>> since it is used to record shows, but at night there's no need for it.
>>>
>>> So... ...why turn off the other things? Why bother?
>>
>> Why leave them on unneccesarily?? Do you leave you car in the parking
>> lot with the engine running?? Do you leave the shower running all day??
>
> Leaving something plugged in with it's own power off, but with the
> power turned off at the plug wastes... ...how much?
>
> My television for instance. I can turn it on from the remote in the
> morning, so it's clearly drawing some power... ...but how much is that
> really?

I never said they we turned things off to purposely save
electricity/money. With most modern devices the amount saved is of
course negligible, although over a long time it could add up to the
price of, for example, a new cheap printer.

Do you turn your car off in the parking lot because it saves petrol or
even lessens pollution? Do you turn the shower off to save water?
Probably not, you do it because it's common sense and habit.

The same could also be said for time. Does it really matter if it takes
your TV (for example) a few extra seconds to startup from off instead
of just standby mode? Realistically, no.

Rob wrote:
> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.

Silly advice.

> It could catch fire. Always make sure you are there to
> notice that and do whatever is required to assure your
> safety.

Any phone can catch fire at any time, whether it's charged,
overheated in bright sunlight, or used by your mother-in-law.
And even it you're charging it while you're not asleep, you
may be charging it without you being in the neighbourhood.

-p

Piet <www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:
> Rob wrote:
>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.
>
> Silly advice.

https://www.legebatterijen.nl/actueel/blog/is-het-slecht-om-je-telefoon-snachts-op-te-laden-het-antwoord/
https://www.zeelandveilig.nl/nieuws/waarom-je-nooit-je-telefoon-onder-je-kussen-moet-leggen-tijdens-het-opladen
https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/editienl/artikel/54796/waarschuwing-brandweer-telefoon-bed-opladen-levensgevaarlijk
etc etc
Lots of places where it is recommended not to do this.

>> It could catch fire. Always make sure you are there to
>> notice that and do whatever is required to assure your
>> safety.
>
> Any phone can catch fire at any time, whether it's charged,
> overheated in bright sunlight, or used by your mother-in-law.
> And even it you're charging it while you're not asleep, you
> may be charging it without you being in the neighbourhood.
>
> -p
>

Rob wrote:
> Piet wrote:
>> Rob wrote:
>>> It is discouraged to charge your phone while you sleep.
>>
>> Silly advice.
>
> https://www.legebatterijen.nl/actueel/blog/is-het-slecht-om-je-telefoon-snachts-op-te-laden-het-antwoord/
> https://www.zeelandveilig.nl/nieuws/waarom-je-nooit-je-telefoon-onder-je-kussen-moet-leggen-tijdens-het-opladen
> https://www.rtlnieuws.nl/editienl/artikel/54796/waarschuwing-brandweer-telefoon-bed-opladen-levensgevaarlijk
> etc etc
> Lots of places where it is recommended not to do this.

Of course. Personal opinion brought as "facts", fake news,
all sort of bullshit, you don't have to look far to find it.

And "charge while you sleep" is NOT the same as charge with
the phone under your pillow or blanket. That's exactly the
issue of "overheating" that you left out in your quote.

Also note that from 1-7-2022 smoke detectors are mandatory
in Dutch homes and they may already be mandatory elsewhere.

-p

In article <t2mach$1nfb$1@gioia.aioe.org>, Piet
<www.godfatherof.nl/@opt-in.invalid> wrote:

> Any phone can catch fire at any time, whether it's charged,
> overheated in bright sunlight, or used by your mother-in-law.

the last one sounds like a feature.

On 4/6/2022 9:29 PM, Alan wrote:

<snip>

> My television for instance. I can turn it on from the remote in the
> morning, so it's clearly drawing some power... ...but how much is that
> really?

Actually for a TV it's more than you might think, nearly 15W for my
Samsung 43" TV.

I did measure the power drawn by some cell phone chargers when the
charger is not plugged into the phone. I also measured some other stuff.

For a USB-only adapter it was 0.11 watts (0.96 KWH/year)
For USB plus a Qi wireless charger it was 0.55 watts (4.82 KWH/year)
For a Qi charger with its own AC power adapter it was 0.35 watts (3.07
KWH/year).
For a 4 port USB-PD + QC charger it was 0.13 watts (1.14 KWH/year).

I also checked my Samsung 43" television and it actually draws quite a
bit of power when turned off, about 15 watts. For all five devices
plugged into the power strip that the TV plugs into it was 28.5 watts
(TV, DVD/Blu-Ray, Roku, Speaker Bar, Sub-Woofer), and this would amount
to over $62 per year in savings at 25¢/KWH. Just unplugging the TV would
save about $32 per year.

So while unplugging unused chargers saves only a tiny amount of
electricity, disconnecting things like TVs saves a fair amount.

I included this data at the bottom of the spreadsheet "Electricity
Consumption, Wireless versus Wired Charging" at
<https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1G6yMOgpGtSYB-3VYcK2LFPpjSSkhkJtTgDWD3YdxSEM/>.

On 6 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:

>> and that Apple never included them,
>
> yes they did with some models.

Which iPhone model came with a fast charger?

>> it's
>> understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting chargers.
>
> they're not making more money by omitting it.

Yes they are. Lots. But it's not how you think.

On 2022-04-07 9:07 a.m., Nil wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> and that Apple never included them,
>>
>> yes they did with some models.
>
> Which iPhone model came with a fast charger?
>
>>> it's
>>> understandable that they are able to make more money by omitting chargers.
>>
>> they're not making more money by omitting it.
>
> Yes they are. Lots. But it's not how you think.

And you won't explain...

On 4/7/2022 9:07 AM, Nil wrote:
> On 6 Apr 2022, nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote in
> misc.phone.mobile.iphone,comp.mobile.android:
>
>>> and that Apple never included them,
>>
>> yes they did with some models.
>
> Which iPhone model came with a fast charger?

iPhone 11 Pro and 11 Pro Max came with an 18W USB-C PD fast charger and
the appropriate USB-C to Lightning cable.

In article <t2n289$lvo$1@dont-email.me>, Nil
<rednoise9@REMOVETHIScomcast.net> wrote:

> >> and that Apple never included them,
> >
> > yes they did with some models.
>
> Which iPhone model came with a fast charger?

iphone 11 pro