On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?

You are so unbelievably stupid.
https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests

"On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night. "

Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.

LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)

On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud.
>>>>> Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even
>>>>> Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious
>>>>> fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the
>>>>> election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election,
>>>>> civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is
>>>>> willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the
>>>>> elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal
>>>>> aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line.
>>>>> They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to
>>>>> vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they
>>>>> couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in
>>>>> English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost
>>>>> hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six
>>>>> page ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the
>>>>> vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to
>>>>> drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT
>>>>> counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only
>>>>> what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by
>>>>> Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>
>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>
>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>>
>>
>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>> country.... isn't it?
>>
>
> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID ...

On 1/24/2022 9:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
>
> You are so unbelievably stupid.
> https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
>
> "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night."
>
> Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
>
> LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)

I've considered the possibility that Tom is a left wing "false flag"
operative. He makes dozens and dozens of right wing claims that are so
obviously false! Might he be trying to portray the right as idiotic?

But I rejected the idea. His bike mechanic woes and his spewing of
quasi-technical nonsense indicate it's all just Tom being Tom.

It's pretty sad, really.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 8:48:37 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 9:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
> >
> > You are so unbelievably stupid.
> > https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
> >
> > "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night."
> >
> > Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
> >
> > LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
> I've considered the possibility that Tom is a left wing "false flag"
> operative. He makes dozens and dozens of right wing claims that are so
> obviously false! Might he be trying to portray the right as idiotic?
>
> But I rejected the idea. His bike mechanic woes and his spewing of
> quasi-technical nonsense indicate it's all just Tom being Tom.
>
> It's pretty sad, really.

And as the slimy coward you are you don't want people to know that you haunt a bicycle group and don't ride a bicycle group. I've been reporting my yearly mileages on this group for 10 years. So it is clear that I could have ridden around the world one and a quarter times. You could have ridden down to the corner store once. I've climbed the equivalent of Mt. Everest 50 5imes and you can't even climb on your bicycle.

Frank, from top to bottom you are a complete fake and that jealousy of yours for the simple fact that I have done more than you in every single part of my life drives you wild with fear that you will become known for what you are. Don't worry, I couldn't care less about your supreme ignorance. I leave that to the people that know you best.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:46:14 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
>
> You are so unbelievably stupid.
> https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
>
> "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night. "
>
> Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
>
> LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
Tell us flunky, what military service were you in? Your vast Google knowledge like your act alike fat Johnny have an entire actual knowledge of NOTHING. So read your Google and pretend to everyone that you know something. I was in the Air Force then and I know that the "bombing" of North Vietnam was completely confined to antimissile sites on the North Vietnam border. But I'm sure that you think you're the world's expert on how to Google.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:59:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:25:43 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:03:28 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > >>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
> > > >>>>>> about the
> > > >>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
> > > >>>>>> wire that was hot.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
> > > >>>>> probably wanted to
> > > >>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
> > > >>>>> grey) for the
> > > >>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
> > > >>>>> with yellow
> > > >>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
> > > >>>>> colors except
> > > >>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> > > >>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
> > > >>>> hot. We were
> > > >>>> talking about single phase.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
> > > >>> are hot.
> > > >>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
> > > >>
> > > >> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
> > > >> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
> > > >> that white was hot and black was neutral.
> > > >>
> > > >> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
> > > > two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
> > > > motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
> > > > same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
> > > > travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.
> > > About education:
> > >
> > > None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
> > > initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
> > > they did not receive formal training.
> > >
> > > But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
> > > they need; and who know how and where to look.
> > >
> > > Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
> > > whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
> > > hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
> > > to a guy who graduated from my program.
> > >
> > > I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
> > > there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
> > > completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).
> > >
> > > She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
> > > our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
> > > LEARN."
> > And of course you don't even understand that means that they got nothing from you and had to learn self education.
> Which was clearly stated with " But Krygowski taught us how to LEARN.", right sparky?

Without anyone teaching your anything but route crap from old textbooks they had to learn how to teach themselves. That is something you've never done. You've spent your entire life telling everyone how bright you are.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:48:37 AM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 9:46 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
> >
> > You are so unbelievably stupid.
> > https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
> >
> > "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night."
> >
> > Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
> >
> > LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
> I've considered the possibility that Tom is a left wing "false flag"
> operative. He makes dozens and dozens of right wing claims that are so
> obviously false! Might he be trying to portray the right as idiotic?

Belied by hisown sincerity, unfortunately

>
> But I rejected the idea. His bike mechanic woes and his spewing of
> quasi-technical nonsense indicate it's all just Tom being Tom.
>
> It's pretty sad, really.

More than just sad, pathetic

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:25:52 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:46:14 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
> >
> > You are so unbelievably stupid.
> > https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
> >
> > "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night. "
> >
> > Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
> >
> > LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
>
> Tell us flunky, what military service were you in?

Which has nothing to do with "explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets"

> Your vast Google knowledge like your act alike fat Johnny have an entire actual knowledge of NOTHING. So read your Google and pretend to everyone that you know something.

I _do_ know there were hundreds of vietnam protests during the LBJ presidency, so the claim "explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets" is just as factual as "the north lost every battle before the emancipation proclamation", PWM is used for testing cables" and "light lines is a common term for fiber optics.

> I was in the Air Force then and I know that the "bombing" of North Vietnam was completely confined to antimissile sites on the North Vietnam border.

Which has nothing to do with "explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets"

> But I'm sure that you think you're the world's expert on how to Google.

No, but I'm good enough to not amke an idiot of myself before posting such ridiculous claims as "explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets"

Shut the fuck up tommy.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:27:36 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 5:59:17 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:25:43 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:03:28 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > >> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > > >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > > >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > > > >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > > > >>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
> > > > >>>>>> about the
> > > > >>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
> > > > >>>>>> wire that was hot.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
> > > > >>>>> probably wanted to
> > > > >>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
> > > > >>>>> grey) for the
> > > > >>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
> > > > >>>>> with yellow
> > > > >>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
> > > > >>>>> colors except
> > > > >>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> > > > >>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
> > > > >>>> hot. We were
> > > > >>>> talking about single phase.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
> > > > >>> are hot.
> > > > >>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
> > > > >> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
> > > > >> that white was hot and black was neutral.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
> > > > > two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
> > > > > motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
> > > > > same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
> > > > > travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.
> > > > About education:
> > > >
> > > > None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
> > > > initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
> > > > they did not receive formal training.
> > > >
> > > > But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
> > > > they need; and who know how and where to look.
> > > >
> > > > Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
> > > > whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
> > > > hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
> > > > to a guy who graduated from my program.
> > > >
> > > > I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
> > > > there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
> > > > completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).
> > > >
> > > > She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
> > > > our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
> > > > LEARN."
> > > And of course you don't even understand that means that they got nothing from you and had to learn self education.
> > Which was clearly stated with " But Krygowski taught us how to LEARN.", right sparky?
>
> Without anyone teaching your anything but route crap from old textbooks they had to learn how to teach themselves.

Which was clearly stated with " But Krygowski taught us how to LEARN.", right sparky?. (BTW - the word is 'rote', not 'route', and if you're an example of being self-taught....ugh)

> That is something you've never done.

True, I've never taught rote crap from textbooks.

> You've spent your entire life telling everyone how bright you are.

And millions of internet users who only last week had to replace their irony meters are now kicking themselves for not getting the Kunich Filter option.

Shut the fuck up tommy

On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi
>>> <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi
>>>>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins
>>>>>>>>>>>> by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and
>>>>>>>>>>> telephone
>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County
>>>>>>>>>>> Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the
>>>>>>>>>>> statute on
>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of
>>>>>>>>>>> her son,
>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also
>>>>>>>>>>> conveniently
>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard,
>>>>>>>>>>> clearly,
>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or
>>>>>>>>>>> testimony
>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided.
>>>>>>>>>>> Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations
>>>>>>>>>> across so
>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so
>>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and
>>>>>>>>>> their hirees
>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into
>>>>>>>>>> thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually
>>>>>>>>>> did?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was
>>>>>>>>> heard, no
>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might
>>>>>>>>> expect a
>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence".
>>>>>>>> While it is,
>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and
>>>>>>>> shout "here is
>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show
>>>>>>>> the papers to
>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently
>>>>>>>> that was the
>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was
>>>>>>> denied on
>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures
>>>>>>> (not
>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election
>>>>>>> Commissions) have
>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the
>>>>>>> 14th
>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not
>>>>>>> relevant
>>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been
>>>>>> election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed
>>>>>> by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless
>>>>>> presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are
>>>>>> far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of
>>>>>> the election process. Once the electorate loses faith
>>>>>> in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank
>>>>>> wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges
>>>>>> turned down any suggestions that the elections were
>>>>>> fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS
>>>>>> full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they
>>>>>> all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of
>>>>>> paper with the names they were suppose to vote under.
>>>>>> They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
>>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also
>>>>>> meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to
>>>>>> vote despite them being in English, Spanish and
>>>>>> Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
>>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth
>>>>>> and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and
>>>>>> nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did
>>>>>> they use the vote counting machines. After you filled
>>>>>> out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase
>>>>>> with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on
>>>>>> the site but taken somewhere where they could count
>>>>>> only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry
>>>>>> Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an
>>>>>> overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most
>>>>> corrupt countries
>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a
>>>>> tyrannical
>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is
>>>>> voter fraud
>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing
>>>>> the voting
>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before
>>>>> the courts and
>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt
>>> and unlawful
>>> country.... isn't it?
>>>
>>
>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
>> ID ...
>
> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>
> First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> good idea for America.
>
> Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> to let the government track our movements.
>
>
>

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi
> >>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi
> >>>>>>>> <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> he was
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins
> >>>>>>>>>>>> by a
> >>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and
> >>>>>>>>>>> telephone
> >>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
> >>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
> >>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County
> >>>>>>>>>>> Clerk ran
> >>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the
> >>>>>>>>>>> statute on
> >>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
> >>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of
> >>>>>>>>>>> her son,
> >>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also
> >>>>>>>>>>> conveniently
> >>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard,
> >>>>>>>>>>> clearly,
> >>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or
> >>>>>>>>>>> testimony
> >>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Every ruling
> >>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations
> >>>>>>>>>> across so
> >>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so
> >>>>>>>>>> many
> >>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and
> >>>>>>>>>> their hirees
> >>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
> >>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into
> >>>>>>>>>> thinking Trump
> >>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually
> >>>>>>>>>> did?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
> >>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was
> >>>>>>>>> heard, no
> >>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might
> >>>>>>>>> expect a
> >>>>>>>>> public record, no?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence".
> >>>>>>>> While it is,
> >>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and
> >>>>>>>> shout "here is
> >>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show
> >>>>>>>> the papers to
> >>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently
> >>>>>>>> that was the
> >>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was
> >>>>>>> denied on
> >>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
> >>>>>>> pathetic:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures
> >>>>>>> (not
> >>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election
> >>>>>>> Commissions) have
> >>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
> >>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the
> >>>>>>> 14th
> >>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not
> >>>>>>> relevant
> >>>>>>> to the instant case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been
> >>>>>> election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed
> >>>>>> by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless
> >>>>>> presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are
> >>>>>> far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of
> >>>>>> the election process. Once the electorate loses faith
> >>>>>> in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank
> >>>>>> wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges
> >>>>>> turned down any suggestions that the elections were
> >>>>>> fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS
> >>>>>> full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they
> >>>>>> all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of
> >>>>>> paper with the names they were suppose to vote under.
> >>>>>> They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
> >>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also
> >>>>>> meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to
> >>>>>> vote despite them being in English, Spanish and
> >>>>>> Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
> >>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth
> >>>>>> and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and
> >>>>>> nothing more on a six page ballot.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did
> >>>>>> they use the vote counting machines. After you filled
> >>>>>> out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase
> >>>>>> with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on
> >>>>>> the site but taken somewhere where they could count
> >>>>>> only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry
> >>>>>> Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an
> >>>>>> overwhelming majority in the polls.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most
> >>>>> corrupt countries
> >>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a
> >>>>> tyrannical
> >>>>> government while living in a country where not only is
> >>>>> voter fraud
> >>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing
> >>>>> the voting
> >>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before
> >>>>> the courts and
> >>>>> the court refused to hear them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> How do you stand it?
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt
> >>> and unlawful
> >>> country.... isn't it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
> >> ID ...
> >
> > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> >
> > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> > good idea for America.
> >
> > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> > to let the government track our movements.
> >
> >
> >
> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>
> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>
> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:16:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> > 10th Amendment kinda guy.
> >
> > I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> > identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
> >
> > https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> I don't believe that there should be Federal voter ID, but I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort. Even if it is your driver's license or passport.

Oh no! Unfunded mandates!!

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>
> >> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
> >> ID ...
> >
> > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> >
> > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> > good idea for America.
> >
> > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> > to let the government track our movements.
> >
> >
> >
> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>
> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>
> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html

In principle, I don't have much problem with a photo ID system, if such a thing could be equitably applied.

But gross inequality seems to be a fundamental feature of America, much more than it is in the more
prosperous countries of Europe. So the default voter ID is probably a driver's license, but those who can't
afford to drive don't get those. Ditto those whose physical capabilities preclude driving. But those people
do have a right to vote.

So they can apply ahead of time, jumping through whatever hoops are necessary to get whatever ID is deemed necessary.
That might include showing up at some remote office with - what? A birth certificate? A passport? I suppose it
depends how the laws are written. But for the people we're typically discussing, those documents may not be
available. In fact, transportation to (say) the Board of Elections may be tricky to arrange. The project is something
they need to start weeks before the election.

So low income people and handicapped people are the ones most likely to not automatically have mandated IDs,
and those same people are more likely to face difficulties acquiring mandated IDs. It's just not an issue for, say,
upper class suburban Republicans. They show up in their SUV and flash their driver's license. The poor old guy
walking with a cane is the guy most likely affected - the guy who has to take the bus to vote, stand in line for an hour,
(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!) then be told "Well, you should have started the process a month ago,
by applying for an ID" .

And why is this now such an important issue, and overwhelmingly in states controlled by Republicans? Because five or
six poor folks are going to critically ruin an election? There's no evidence of that; in fact, most of the cases of individual
election fraud seem to be people mistakenly or dishonestly voting Republican. ISTM that the reason is strategists know
that poor people lean toward voting Democratic, and poor people are statistically less likely to have easy IDs.

BTW, I read that Japan has some kind of electronic bar code system that identifies every voter plus their residence and
other data. How would that go over with the "Keep government out of my Social Security" crowd?

- Frank Krygowski

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:34:30 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:16:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> > > 10th Amendment kinda guy.
> > >
> > > I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> > > identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
> > >
> > > https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> > I don't believe that there should be Federal voter ID, but I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort. Even if it is your driver's license or passport.
> Oh no! Unfunded mandates!!
So to you, showing the same ID it takes to show a cop on the street if he questions you is an "unfunded mandate". And yet another pile of horseshit from the mouth full of it. You should be really happy after November. I can hardly wait.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 3:21:27 PM UTC-5, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>
> > >> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
> > >> ID ...
> > >
> > > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> > > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> > > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> > > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> > > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> > >
> > > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> > > good idea for America.
> > >
> > > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> > > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> > > to let the government track our movements.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> > 10th Amendment kinda guy.
> >
> > I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> > identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
> >
> > https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> In principle, I don't have much problem with a photo ID system, if such a thing could be equitably applied.
>
> But gross inequality seems to be a fundamental feature of America, much more than it is in the more
> prosperous countries of Europe. So the default voter ID is probably a driver's license, but those who can't
> afford to drive don't get those. Ditto those whose physical capabilities preclude driving. But those people
> do have a right to vote.
>
> So they can apply ahead of time, jumping through whatever hoops are necessary to get whatever ID is deemed necessary.
> That might include showing up at some remote office with - what? A birth certificate? A passport? I suppose it
> depends how the laws are written. But for the people we're typically discussing, those documents may not be
> available. In fact, transportation to (say) the Board of Elections may be tricky to arrange. The project is something
> they need to start weeks before the election.
>
> So low income people and handicapped people are the ones most likely to not automatically have mandated IDs,
> and those same people are more likely to face difficulties acquiring mandated IDs. It's just not an issue for, say,
> upper class suburban Republicans. They show up in their SUV and flash their driver's license. The poor old guy
> walking with a cane is the guy most likely affected - the guy who has to take the bus to vote, stand in line for an hour,
> (oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!) then be told "Well, you should have started the process a month ago,
> by applying for an ID" .

Like the republicans fucking care about the lower income demographic

https://twitter.com/rbrown0504/status/1002351425014226944/photo/1

>
> And why is this now such an important issue, and overwhelmingly in states controlled by Republicans? Because five or
> six poor folks are going to critically ruin an election? There's no evidence of that; in fact, most of the cases of individual
> election fraud seem to be people mistakenly or dishonestly voting Republican. ISTM that the reason is strategists know
> that poor people lean toward voting Democratic, and poor people are statistically less likely to have easy IDs.
>
> BTW, I read that Japan has some kind of electronic bar code system that identifies every voter plus their residence and
> other data. How would that go over with the "Keep government out of my Social Security" crowd?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:37:02 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 16:53:39 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Nope. I currently haunt the bicycle newsgroups to ruin what's left of
> >> your credibility, to point out your mistakes, to fact check your lies,
> >> and satisfy your insatiable appetite for self aggrandizement. In my
> >> spare time, I try to answer peoples questions. At one time, it was
> >> possible to learn something about bicycle maintenance, but that ended
> >> when you returned to RBT.
> >Jeff, I was pulling your leg when I said that you weren't an engineer.
> You lie. If you only said that once, I might forgive you for lying.
> However, you have accused me of not being a diploma carrying engineer
> numerous times over a span of several years. That does not seem like
> a joke.
>
> I have pointed out numerous times that your online resume shows you to
> be a firmware programmer. Nothing more, nothing less. That is a
> respectable position and something to be proud of. Lacking any proof
> of your employment in any other capacity or position, I prefer to take
> the default position and assume that you are lying unless you
> demonstrate otherwise. Would you believe me if I suddenly declared
> that my previous assaults on your credibility were "pulling your leg"
> or just a joke? I don't think so.
> >RF and marine radios all have a commercial place in this society.
> >But you have to admit that you can't say that you were in the same
> >category as my work.
> No, I don't "have to admit" anything. It's you who needs to prove
> everything claim. Saying nice things about my work isn't going to
> prove that you're an engineer or have accomplished amazing feats of
> engineering.
> >HIV, Heart/lung machine, cancer treatment devices as well as liquid
> >and gas chromatographs that are the basic units of analysis for all
> >biological and chemical laboratories. Dozens of lesser products like
> >the NASA communication converter or the poison gas detector for the
> >military to protect our troops in Desert Storm?
> It doesn't matter if you can't spell the names of the companies which
> you allegedly have worked. I haven't bothered to investigate your
> employment history, but if you continue to lie, I might be tempted.
> For example, NASA makes it fairly easy for you to prove that you were
> employed:
> <https://searchpub.nssc.nasa.gov/servlet/sm.web.Fetch/Employment_Verification.pdf?rhid=1000&did=5857460&type=released>
> (They will also verify former employment. I'm not sure how far back
> they have the records).
>
> Here's your chance to demonstrate that you're telling the truth. Just
> prove that you worked for LLNL, LBNL, NASA, Analog, or any other
> company or organization that is still in existence. It's not my job
> to prove it for you.
> >If you think this is wasted time I will ask you again - why are you
> >doing it?
> It would seem that you don't read, but only write. I answered that
> question in my previous reply. Repeating again:
> I currently haunt the bicycle newsgroups to ruin
> what's left of your credibility, to point out
> your mistakes, to fact check your lies, and satisfy
> your insatiable appetite for self aggrandizement.
> In my spare time, I try to answer peoples questions.
> At one time, it was possible to learn something about
> bicycle maintenance, but that ended when you returned
> to RBT.
> >You certainly aren't saying anything you haven't said a thousand
> >times. And no one is listening except me and you certainly aren't
> >having any effect on someone that is rich and getting richer.
> You lie, as usual. I could be evil and obtain your credit score by
> unethical means. For example:
> "Check someone's credit score. No fee to run a credit score on another
> person"
> <https://connect.experian.com/credit-score/>
> However, I like to treat people that way I expect to be treated and
> won't do that just to prove a point. Same with contacting the Aeolian
> Yacht Club to determine your membership status. Anyway, it would be
> easier if you proved that you were "rich and getting richer". No, the
> credit score from your bank is insufficient. Incidentally, my FICO
> score is currently 805. 850 is the maximum.
>
> [ 45 minutes wasted

Since you've never worked in much of a business you wouldn't understand anything and you show it with each posting. The poison gas detector for the military was subcontracted to ETEC and the communications converter card for NASA was subcontracted to Datum or Tality. But for some reason you want me to remember an almost invisible project that required five times as long to document it than to design and program it. It seems to hurt you that I don't spell some company or another correctly but there are people who actually do things and people who are documenters. Apparently you are confined to the second.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:34:30 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:16:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> > > > 10th Amendment kinda guy.
> > > >
> > > > I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> > > > identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
> > > >
> > > > https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> > > I don't believe that there should be Federal voter ID, but I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort. Even if it is your driver's license or passport.
> > Oh no! Unfunded mandates!!
>
> So to you, showing the same ID it takes to show a cop on the street if he questions you is an "unfunded mandate".

no, you little fascist creep, a cop demanding my ID is unconstitutional without probably cause. You'd be the first one to whimper about it if it happened to you, but some minority that gets the shit kicked out of him for refusing to allow a "stop and frisk" is perfectly acceptable to you. In case you hadn't heard, walking or driving while black is _not_ probably cause.This of course, brings us to your abhorrent reading comprehension (clearly why you flunked high school) the unfunded mandate is "I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort." You'd love a law like that, until you figured out it has to be pad for - but hey, if someone below the poverty line can't afford to buy the ID, they don't deserve to vote, right sparky?

> And yet another pile of horseshit from the mouth full of it. You should be really happy after November. I can hardly wait.

Why, do you plan on dying in november? That would make me happy.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:

> Since you've never worked in much of a business you wouldn't understand anything and you show it with each posting. The poison gas detector for the military was subcontracted to ETEC and the communications converter card for NASA was subcontracted to Datum or Tality.

Funny how someone responsible for programming a poison gas detector somehow got exposed to the gas that permanently disabled him. I'm guessing his involvement was more along the lines of a crash test dummy than someone on the design team (no, tommy, they don't have the design engineers actually test the products)

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 12:21:27 PM UTC-8, frkr...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>
> > >> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
> > >> ID ...
> > >
> > > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
> > > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
> > > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
> > > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
> > > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
> > >
> > > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
> > > good idea for America.
> > >
> > > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
> > > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
> > > to let the government track our movements.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
> > 10th Amendment kinda guy.
> >
> > I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
> > identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
> >
> > https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
> In principle, I don't have much problem with a photo ID system, if such a thing could be equitably applied.
>
> But gross inequality seems to be a fundamental feature of America, much more than it is in the more
> prosperous countries of Europe. So the default voter ID is probably a driver's license, but those who can't
> afford to drive don't get those. Ditto those whose physical capabilities preclude driving. But those people
> do have a right to vote.
>
> So they can apply ahead of time, jumping through whatever hoops are necessary to get whatever ID is deemed necessary.
> That might include showing up at some remote office with - what? A birth certificate? A passport? I suppose it
> depends how the laws are written. But for the people we're typically discussing, those documents may not be
> available. In fact, transportation to (say) the Board of Elections may be tricky to arrange. The project is something
> they need to start weeks before the election.
>
> So low income people and handicapped people are the ones most likely to not automatically have mandated IDs,
> and those same people are more likely to face difficulties acquiring mandated IDs. It's just not an issue for, say,
> upper class suburban Republicans. They show up in their SUV and flash their driver's license. The poor old guy
> walking with a cane is the guy most likely affected - the guy who has to take the bus to vote, stand in line for an hour,
> (oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!) then be told "Well, you should have started the process a month ago,
> by applying for an ID" .
>
> And why is this now such an important issue, and overwhelmingly in states controlled by Republicans? Because five or
> six poor folks are going to critically ruin an election? There's no evidence of that; in fact, most of the cases of individual
> election fraud seem to be people mistakenly or dishonestly voting Republican. ISTM that the reason is strategists know
> that poor people lean toward voting Democratic, and poor people are statistically less likely to have easy IDs.
>
> BTW, I read that Japan has some kind of electronic bar code system that identifies every voter plus their residence and
> other data. How would that go over with the "Keep government out of my Social Security" crowd?

You can't make it through a single day without some blatantly racist comments can you? Do you also believe that the "Jews" are still trying to take over the world? Your unshakeable belief that blacks and Hispanics and Asians aren't smart enough to cash their own paychecks without you holding their hand and showing them how shows your charter membership to the Democrat Party. Rather than coming out and using politically incorrect term you label them as "poor"

By the way poor people overwhelmingly elected Trump https://fivethirtyeight..com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

Of course to people like flunky, he much prefers lies to the truth.

On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
>>>> ID ...
>>>
>>> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
>>> their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
>>> Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
>>> Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
>>> valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>>>
>>> First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
>>> good idea for America.
>>>
>>> Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
>>> from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
>>> to let the government track our movements.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
>> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>>
>> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
>> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>>
>> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
>
> In principle, I don't have much problem with a photo ID system, if such a thing could be equitably applied.
>
> But gross inequality seems to be a fundamental feature of America, much more than it is in the more
> prosperous countries of Europe. So the default voter ID is probably a driver's license, but those who can't
> afford to drive don't get those. Ditto those whose physical capabilities preclude driving. But those people
> do have a right to vote.
>
> So they can apply ahead of time, jumping through whatever hoops are necessary to get whatever ID is deemed necessary.
> That might include showing up at some remote office with - what? A birth certificate? A passport? I suppose it
> depends how the laws are written. But for the people we're typically discussing, those documents may not be
> available. In fact, transportation to (say) the Board of Elections may be tricky to arrange. The project is something
> they need to start weeks before the election.
>
> So low income people and handicapped people are the ones most likely to not automatically have mandated IDs,
> and those same people are more likely to face difficulties acquiring mandated IDs. It's just not an issue for, say,
> upper class suburban Republicans. They show up in their SUV and flash their driver's license. The poor old guy
> walking with a cane is the guy most likely affected - the guy who has to take the bus to vote, stand in line for an hour,
> (oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!) then be told "Well, you should have started the process a month ago,
> by applying for an ID" .
>
> And why is this now such an important issue, and overwhelmingly in states controlled by Republicans? Because five or
> six poor folks are going to critically ruin an election? There's no evidence of that; in fact, most of the cases of individual
> election fraud seem to be people mistakenly or dishonestly voting Republican. ISTM that the reason is strategists know
> that poor people lean toward voting Democratic, and poor people are statistically less likely to have easy IDs.
>
> BTW, I read that Japan has some kind of electronic bar code system that identifies every voter plus their residence and
> other data. How would that go over with the "Keep government out of my Social Security" crowd?
>
> - Frank Krygowski

>"... driver's license, but those who can't afford to drive don't get those..."
Every State offers equivalent ID card to non-drivers. AFAIK
at zero or minimal cost. It's more about liquor and tobacco
than voting but it's a policy of long standing.

> " So they can apply ahead of time,..."
So what? We used to require a citizen to drag his ass to the
County Clerk's office 30+ days before an election to
register as a voter. I have no problem with that and in fact
it was a better system, less prone to the many and various
anomalies we now suffer.

> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run
for Georgia Assembly or State Senate.

in re gratuitous besmirching of some States over others:
Go review New York or Delaware election law as compared to
Georgia. You may well be surprised.

in re Japan:

Although I look favorably to Japan and respect the general
system of Singapore, I could not live comfortably in either
place. For the same reason I haven't been even near a US
airport since the middle of the Clinton administration; I
would likely be arrested for one thing or another.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/24/2022 2:42 PM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 3:31:34 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 11:34:30 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 2:16:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
>>>>> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
>>>>> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
>>>> I don't believe that there should be Federal voter ID, but I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort. Even if it is your driver's license or passport.
>>> Oh no! Unfunded mandates!!
>>
>> So to you, showing the same ID it takes to show a cop on the street if he questions you is an "unfunded mandate".
>
> no, you little fascist creep, a cop demanding my ID is unconstitutional without probably cause. You'd be the first one to whimper about it if it happened to you, but some minority that gets the shit kicked out of him for refusing to allow a "stop and frisk" is perfectly acceptable to you. In case you hadn't heard, walking or driving while black is _not_ probably cause.This of course, brings us to your abhorrent reading comprehension (clearly why you flunked high school) the unfunded mandate is "I do believe that there should be a Federal law that states MUST issue voter ID's of some sort." You'd love a law like that, until you figured out it has to be pad for - but hey, if someone below the poverty line can't afford to buy the ID, they don't deserve to vote, right sparky?
>
>> And yet another pile of horseshit from the mouth full of it. You should be really happy after November. I can hardly wait.
>
> Why, do you plan on dying in november? That would make me happy.
>
>

'Probable cause' covers a wide range of real and imagined
situations. Judges will look more kindly toward the officer
than toward you. Also, many localities have vagrancy
ordinances specifically citing lack of ID as a violation. If
fake ID were not so cheap and common this would be a serious
issue.

Note I'm not advocating one thing or another but 'ID for
random police check' is a weak argument IMHO.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 11:08:39 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud.
>>>>>> Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even
>>>>>> Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious
>>>>>> fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the
>>>>>> election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election,
>>>>>> civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is
>>>>>> willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the
>>>>>> elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal
>>>>>> aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line.
>>>>>> They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to
>>>>>> vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because
>>>>>> most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they
>>>>>> couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in
>>>>>> English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in
>>>>>> translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost
>>>>>> hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six
>>>>>> page ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the
>>>>>> vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to
>>>>>> drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT
>>>>>> counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only
>>>>>> what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by
>>>>>> Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>>> country.... isn't it?
>>>
>>
>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID ...
>
> From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to their citizens
>by the governments of all European Economic Area (EEA) member states
>except Denmark, Iceland and Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport
>card which is a valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>
>First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a good idea
>for America.
>
>Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say, from the
>people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse to let the
>government track our movements.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 09:25:51 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 6:46:14 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:15:22 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> > Can someone explain why there were no protests during the rein of a Democrats but when Nixon was elected and actually began the process of getting out of there, protests and riots shook campuses and streets?
>>
>> You are so unbelievably stupid.
>> https://www.history.com/topics/vietnam-war/vietnam-war-protests
>>
>> "On October 21, 1967, one of the most prominent anti-war demonstrations took place, as some 100,000 protesters gathered at the Lincoln Memorial; around 30,000 of them continued in a march on the Pentagon later that night. "
>>
>> Spring Mobe was created in 1966 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Mobilization_Committee_to_End_the_War_in_Vietnam), and was largely responsible for the riots at the 1968 Democratic National convention in Chicago - before Nixon was elected. There were literally hundreds of protests before nixon was elected you nattering old fool.
>>
>> LBJ was president then, you fucking idiot. But then, you're the deluded old twit that thinks the economy was in great shape when Obama took office (never never dared to explain how that was possible when Bush signed TARP legislation before the election even occurred.)
>Tell us flunky, what military service were you in? Your vast Google knowledge like your act alike fat Johnny have an entire actual knowledge of NOTHING. So read your Google and pretend to everyone that you know something. I was in the Air Force then and I know that the "bombing" of North Vietnam was completely confined to antimissile sites on the North Vietnam border. But I'm sure that you think you're the world's expert on how to Google.

"I know that the "bombing" of North Vietnam was completely confined to
antimissile sites on the North Vietnam border."???

Ah yes, the Great Military tool box carrier. From your own posts the
Air Force didn't even let you get near an airplane without someone to
watch over you.

As for bombing ONLY N. Vietnam anti aircraft sites? Well

Operation "Pierce Arrow" which was conducted on 5 August 1964 which
attacked "the torpedo boat bases of Hon Gai, Loc Chao, Quang Khe, and
Phuc Loi, and the oil storage depot at Vinh.

And described as, "This was the start of U.S. air operations over
North Vietnam and Southeast Asia, attempting to destroy the
infrastructure, war material, and military units needed by North
Vietnam to prosecute the guerrilla war in the South. The air
operations following Pierce Arrow would swell so that by war's end,
the United States bombing campaign was the longest and heaviest in
history. The 7,662,000 tons of bombs dropped in Southeast Asia during
the Vietnam War nearly quadrupled the 2,150,000 tons the U.S. had
dropped during World War II.

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Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:21:26 -0800 (PST), Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 10:18:39 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/24/2022 10:08 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > On 1/23/2022 7:29 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> >>
>> >> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter
>> >> ID ...
>> >
>> > From WikiPedia: "National identity cards are issued to
>> > their citizens by the governments of all European Economic
>> > Area (EEA) member states except Denmark, Iceland and
>> > Ireland. Ireland however issues a passport card which is a
>> > valid document in the EEA and Switzerland..."
>> >
>> > First, let's convince everyone that a citizen's ID card is a
>> > good idea for America.
>> >
>> > Somehow, I think there will be resistance, don't you? Say,
>> > from the people who claimed the COVID vaccine is just a ruse
>> > to let the government track our movements.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> I made no statement about a Federalized ID system. I'm a
>> 10th Amendment kinda guy.
>>
>> I notice that you tried to conflate lack of voter
>> identification into a totalitarian national ID argument.
>>
>> https://www.realclearinvestigations.com/articles/2021/06/01/the_us_is_a_voter_photo_id_outlier_theyre_the_rule_in_europe_and_elsewhere_778714.html
>
>In principle, I don't have much problem with a photo ID system, if such a thing could be equitably applied.
>
>But gross inequality seems to be a fundamental feature of America, much more than it is in the more
>prosperous countries of Europe. So the default voter ID is probably a driver's license, but those who can't
>afford to drive don't get those. Ditto those whose physical capabilities preclude driving. But those people
>do have a right to vote.
>
>So they can apply ahead of time, jumping through whatever hoops are necessary to get whatever ID is deemed necessary.
>That might include showing up at some remote office with - what? A birth certificate? A passport? I suppose it
>depends how the laws are written. But for the people we're typically discussing, those documents may not be
>available. In fact, transportation to (say) the Board of Elections may be tricky to arrange. The project is something
>they need to start weeks before the election.
>
>So low income people and handicapped people are the ones most likely to not automatically have mandated IDs,
>and those same people are more likely to face difficulties acquiring mandated IDs. It's just not an issue for, say,
>upper class suburban Republicans. They show up in their SUV and flash their driver's license. The poor old guy
>walking with a cane is the guy most likely affected - the guy who has to take the bus to vote, stand in line for an hour,
>(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!) then be told "Well, you should have started the process a month ago,
>by applying for an ID" .
>
>And why is this now such an important issue, and overwhelmingly in states controlled by Republicans? Because five or
>six poor folks are going to critically ruin an election? There's no evidence of that; in fact, most of the cases of individual
>election fraud seem to be people mistakenly or dishonestly voting Republican. ISTM that the reason is strategists know
>that poor people lean toward voting Democratic, and poor people are statistically less likely to have easy IDs.
>
>BTW, I read that Japan has some kind of electronic bar code system that identifies every voter plus their residence and
>other data. How would that go over with the "Keep government out of my Social Security" crowd?
>
>- Frank Krygowski

Years ago... way back when people wrote checks to pay bills I used to
get asked for my driver's license as proof I was who I said I was
before anyone would accept a check and I had an awful time as at the
time I had a New Hampshire driver's license which didn't have a photo.
But in actual fact there are all sorts of identity checks available to
the government. there is even a national fingerprint "library"
https://www.fbi.gov/services/information-management/foipa/privacy-impact-assessments/iafis
Pursuant to 28 U.S.C. § 534, the FBI acquires, collects, classifies,
and preserves identification, criminal identification, crime, and
other records and exchanges such records and information with, and for
the official use of, authorized officials of the Government, including
the United States Sentencing Commission, the States, cities, and penal
and other institutions. Since 1924, the FBI has collected, preserved,
classified, and exchanged fingerprint records in support of its
identification activities.

Categories of fingerprints currently maintained in the Fingerprint
Identification Record System (FIRS) includes: criminal fingerprints,
federal applicants and employees, United States military, aliens, and
those submitted to the FBI by persons desiring to have their
fingerprints placed on record for personal identification purposes.
Additionally, fingerprints of military detainees and other persons of
national security interest are now being collected for national
security purposes.

So Tommy, who was in the military has his fingerprints in the National
"Library"
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Cheers,

John B.

On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 12:45:52 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 3:39:14 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Since you've never worked in much of a business you wouldn't understand anything and you show it with each posting. The poison gas detector for the military was subcontracted to ETEC and the communications converter card for NASA was subcontracted to Datum or Tality.
>
>Funny how someone responsible for programming a poison gas detector somehow got exposed to the gas that permanently disabled him. I'm guessing his involvement was more along the lines of a crash test dummy than someone on the design team (no, tommy, they don't have the design engineers actually test the products)

Yes I read about Tommy's "accomplishments" but way back in 1952 when I
joined the Air Force and went through gas mask training as part of my
Basic Training there were "poison gas detectors" and that was when
Tommy was 8 years old.

Do you suppose Tommy was deigning gas detectors when he was eight
years old?
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Cheers,

John B.