On 1/27/2022 12:45 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>> It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
>>
>> If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
>> "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
>>
>> One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
>> below ground level, then topple without warning.
>>
>> A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
>> the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
>> died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
>> treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play

Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.

Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
hero instead of a fool.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 2:07:26 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/27/2022 12:45 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
> >> It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
> >>
> >> If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
> >> "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
> >>
> >> One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
> >> below ground level, then topple without warning.
> >>
> >> A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
> >> the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
> >> died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
> >> treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play
> Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
> topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
>
> Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
> your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
> hero instead of a fool.
>
Pretty sad that even the Qanon and oathkeepers groups have banned him.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:07:26 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:

> Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
> topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
>
> Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
> your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
> hero instead of a fool.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski
>
Who appointed you gatekeeper of RBT, scumbag?
>
Andre Jute
This jerk Krygowski is incapable of learning anything.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 11:07:26 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/27/2022 12:45 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
> >> It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
> >>
> >> If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
> >> "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
> >>
> >> One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
> >> below ground level, then topple without warning.
> >>
> >> A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
> >> the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
> >> died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
> >> treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> - Frank Krygowski
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play
> Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
> topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
>
> Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
> your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
> hero instead of a fool.

If you don't like my postings you could always not reply rather than purposely dragging it out so that you can feel like you're adding something.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 1:28:45 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:07:26 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
> > topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
> >
> > Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
> > your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
> > hero instead of a fool.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Who appointed you gatekeeper of RBT, scumbag?
> >
> Andre Jute
> This jerk Krygowski is incapable of learning anything.

The funny part is that Frank's entire audience is flunky.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
<funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/26/2022 3:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 1/26/2022 1:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If I seem a bit more irritating than usual, it's because a neighbor is
>> >> having a tree service drop several huge fir trees from his property.
>> >> All I've heard this morning is almost continuous yelling in Spanish,
>> >> chain saws running, and an ocassional chipper. The project is
>> >> estimated to take two weeks. Grrr...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm sure every job and its surrounding area present unique troubles but
>> > our neighbor finally removed the overhanging trees above our building in
>> > just a couple of hours:
>> >
>> > http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/notree.html
>> >
>> > Very impressive crew and very fast work.
>> We very sadly had some tall ash trees removed a couple years ago. The
>> company we hired had a very impressive bit of technology, nicknamed a
>> "Spider."
>>
>
>We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.

How does is the "Spider" actually used? From the posted photo it looks
like if you "grab the tree near the top, but then, if you cut the tree
at the bottom, just above the ground, as is common with tree felling,
it looks as though the spider might not be capable of supporting the
entire tree weight as it lowers it because of the length of the trunk
below the point the Spider is holding would force the spider "boom" to
be lowered toward the horizontal which in most "cranes" reduces the
lifting ability.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 09:45:24 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>> It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
>>
>> If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
>> "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
>>
>> One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
>> below ground level, then topple without warning.
>>
>> A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
>> the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
>> died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
>> treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
>>
>>
>> --
>> - Frank Krygowski
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play

I think that Tommy is demonstrating, with his post,, above, just how
far his dementia has gone. Frank posts comments about dead trees and
Tommy rebuts him with a Video entitled, "The SARS2 Pandemic: Will
Truth Prevail?"
(dementia ~ noun - mental deterioration of organic or functional)

In short, as the old folks used to say, "He's gone right 'round the
bend" or as my granny was fond of saying, "batty as a bedbug".
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 10:58:20 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 10:17:06 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 12:45:25 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> > On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> > > On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>> > > It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
>> > >
>> > > If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
>> > > "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
>> > >
>> > > One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
>> > > below ground level, then topple without warning.
>> > >
>> > > A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
>> > > the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
>> > > died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
>> > > treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
>> > > - Frank Krygowski
>> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play
>> Tommy at play:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stMrXhB711E
>>
>> Too bad they let you out of your cage
>Yet another example of your courage born of anonymity and distance. I suppose when you are less than nothing people like you are forced to pretend otherwise.

And yet more evidence of Tommy's dementia. Funky insults him and Tommy
responds with what I can only assume is a self portrait.

Tommy, you really should look at the site
https://www.healthyplace.com/other-info/mental-illness-overview/types-of-mental-health-doctors-and-how-to-find-one
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 14:07:20 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/27/2022 12:45 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:40:29 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/27/2022 8:20 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>> It's an amazing bit of technology. Lots of fun to watch!
>>>
>>> If the dead trees don't pose any threat, it's good to leave them up.
>>> "Snags" can be important as homes for various species.
>>>
>>> One thing to watch: Dead ash trees are prone to decay rapidly at or just
>>> below ground level, then topple without warning.
>>>
>>> A friend once asked me to design a treehouse for his kids, to perch atop
>>> the 8 foot tall trunk that he'd left standing when his large ash tree
>>> died. When I learned about the root rot problem, I redesigned the
>>> treehouse and we built it elsewhere on his property.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> - Frank Krygowski
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6kmm70ji5c Democrats at play
>
>Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
>topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
>
>Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
>your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
>hero instead of a fool.

Frank, I do believe that you may have "missed the boat" as it were
describing Tommy as someone that wants to be a hero. I suggest it is a
very much more simple matter. Simply the thrill of being notices.

Just imagine, here is an elderly, bald headed, nearly 80 year old,
nobody, living in a cheap house, in a slum, existing on Social
Security and what ever he can make repairing old junk bikes. and he
posts on this site and Shazam! People notice him! And some even
respond to him. Think how proud this must make him feel.... "Look!
Look! Everybody! Someone noticed me!
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/27/2022 5:34 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/26/2022 3:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2022 1:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> If I seem a bit more irritating than usual, it's because a neighbor is
>>>>> having a tree service drop several huge fir trees from his property.
>>>>> All I've heard this morning is almost continuous yelling in Spanish,
>>>>> chain saws running, and an ocassional chipper. The project is
>>>>> estimated to take two weeks. Grrr...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure every job and its surrounding area present unique troubles but
>>>> our neighbor finally removed the overhanging trees above our building in
>>>> just a couple of hours:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/notree.html
>>>>
>>>> Very impressive crew and very fast work.
>>> We very sadly had some tall ash trees removed a couple years ago. The
>>> company we hired had a very impressive bit of technology, nicknamed a
>>> "Spider."
>>>
>>
>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>
> How does is the "Spider" actually used? From the posted photo it looks
> like if you "grab the tree near the top, but then, if you cut the tree
> at the bottom, just above the ground, as is common with tree felling,
> it looks as though the spider might not be capable of supporting the
> entire tree weight as it lowers it because of the length of the trunk
> below the point the Spider is holding would force the spider "boom" to
> be lowered toward the horizontal which in most "cranes" reduces the
> lifting ability.

No, that Spider is really just a lift bucket for the operator. You're
right, it certainly doesn't have the mass and base width to handle the
entire tree. It's first trick is to fit through small openings (like
gates) and do very little damage to lawns because of its light weight
spread out on its tracks. Then everything telescopes out rather amazingly.

The owner-operator was in the bucket with a chain saw and ropes,
essentially attacking the tree from the top down. He had a nice method
of using one rope to tie a limb above and below his cut. He then cut
between those tie spots. The cut limb (quite large, BTW) swung down,
hanging from the lower tie point. He then lowered it to the ground and
attacked another limb. The main trunk was handled the same way, top down.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:14:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
><funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>
>This machine is more fun:
>"Powerful Big Tree Harvester Working, Amazing Giant Excavator Cutting
>Tree, Fast Tree Removal Machine"
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqIZoAcBmA>
>Fell, trim branches, debark, buck, and stack. All that's missing is
>split, chipper, stack and haul.
>
>The neighbors tree project is moving along nicely. No damage or
>fatalities so far. I'll post some photos later. The fir trees are
>"toothpicks". 150 to 200 high, but only about 5ft(?) diameter. That's
>what happens when the forest is clear cut and everything has to
>simultaneously compete for the available sunlight. The result is a
>very dense forest full of very tall toothpicks. I'll do some
>measuring and trigonometry (later) and calculate the height and
>measure diameter of the fir trees.

Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
neighbor kid, to help (:-)

AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:44:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 1/27/2022 5:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/26/2022 3:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/26/2022 1:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I seem a bit more irritating than usual, it's because a neighbor is
>>>>>> having a tree service drop several huge fir trees from his property.
>>>>>> All I've heard this morning is almost continuous yelling in Spanish,
>>>>>> chain saws running, and an ocassional chipper. The project is
>>>>>> estimated to take two weeks. Grrr...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm sure every job and its surrounding area present unique troubles but
>>>>> our neighbor finally removed the overhanging trees above our building in
>>>>> just a couple of hours:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/notree.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Very impressive crew and very fast work.
>>>> We very sadly had some tall ash trees removed a couple years ago. The
>>>> company we hired had a very impressive bit of technology, nicknamed a
>>>> "Spider."
>>>>
>>>
>>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>
>> How does is the "Spider" actually used? From the posted photo it looks
>> like if you "grab the tree near the top, but then, if you cut the tree
>> at the bottom, just above the ground, as is common with tree felling,
>> it looks as though the spider might not be capable of supporting the
>> entire tree weight as it lowers it because of the length of the trunk
>> below the point the Spider is holding would force the spider "boom" to
>> be lowered toward the horizontal which in most "cranes" reduces the
>> lifting ability.
>
>No, that Spider is really just a lift bucket for the operator. You're
>right, it certainly doesn't have the mass and base width to handle the
>entire tree. It's first trick is to fit through small openings (like
>gates) and do very little damage to lawns because of its light weight
>spread out on its tracks. Then everything telescopes out rather amazingly.
>
>The owner-operator was in the bucket with a chain saw and ropes,
>essentially attacking the tree from the top down. He had a nice method
>of using one rope to tie a limb above and below his cut. He then cut
>between those tie spots. The cut limb (quite large, BTW) swung down,
>hanging from the lower tie point. He then lowered it to the ground and
>attacked another limb. The main trunk was handled the same way, top down.

Way back when "lumberjacks" used to climb up a tree and "top it" by
cutting branches and the top (small diameter) portion of the tree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSK-kaTAJn4

My guess, at a tremendously cheaper cost (:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:14:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>
>> This machine is more fun:
>> "Powerful Big Tree Harvester Working, Amazing Giant Excavator Cutting
>> Tree, Fast Tree Removal Machine"
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqIZoAcBmA>
>> Fell, trim branches, debark, buck, and stack. All that's missing is
>> split, chipper, stack and haul.
>>
>> The neighbors tree project is moving along nicely. No damage or
>> fatalities so far. I'll post some photos later. The fir trees are
>> "toothpicks". 150 to 200 high, but only about 5ft(?) diameter. That's
>> what happens when the forest is clear cut and everything has to
>> simultaneously compete for the available sunlight. The result is a
>> very dense forest full of very tall toothpicks. I'll do some
>> measuring and trigonometry (later) and calculate the height and
>> measure diameter of the fir trees.
>
> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>
> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)

For certain values of “tree”, sure, but once they exceed a certain height,
hiring a professional is a bargain.

On 1/27/2022 7:03 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:14:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>
>> This machine is more fun:
>> "Powerful Big Tree Harvester Working, Amazing Giant Excavator Cutting
>> Tree, Fast Tree Removal Machine"
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqIZoAcBmA>
>> Fell, trim branches, debark, buck, and stack. All that's missing is
>> split, chipper, stack and haul.
>>
>> The neighbors tree project is moving along nicely. No damage or
>> fatalities so far. I'll post some photos later. The fir trees are
>> "toothpicks". 150 to 200 high, but only about 5ft(?) diameter. That's
>> what happens when the forest is clear cut and everything has to
>> simultaneously compete for the available sunlight. The result is a
>> very dense forest full of very tall toothpicks. I'll do some
>> measuring and trigonometry (later) and calculate the height and
>> measure diameter of the fir trees.
>
> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>
> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>

Felling a tree in woodlands is hard enough (until recently
done in Wisconsin in winter with horses and chains over the
snow) but anywhere near buildings, power lines, roads and
such it's significantly more difficult!

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 01:22:27 -0000 (UTC), Ralph Barone
<ralph@invalid.com> wrote:

>John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:14:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>>
>>> This machine is more fun:
>>> "Powerful Big Tree Harvester Working, Amazing Giant Excavator Cutting
>>> Tree, Fast Tree Removal Machine"
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqIZoAcBmA>
>>> Fell, trim branches, debark, buck, and stack. All that's missing is
>>> split, chipper, stack and haul.
>>>
>>> The neighbors tree project is moving along nicely. No damage or
>>> fatalities so far. I'll post some photos later. The fir trees are
>>> "toothpicks". 150 to 200 high, but only about 5ft(?) diameter. That's
>>> what happens when the forest is clear cut and everything has to
>>> simultaneously compete for the available sunlight. The result is a
>>> very dense forest full of very tall toothpicks. I'll do some
>>> measuring and trigonometry (later) and calculate the height and
>>> measure diameter of the fir trees.
>>
>> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
>> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
>> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
>> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>>
>> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>
>For certain values of “tree”, sure, but once they exceed a certain height,
>hiring a professional is a bargain.

I was thinking of the video that I think Frank posted showing a
machine removing trees that appeared to be about 6 - 8 inches in
diameter.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 19:33:55 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/27/2022 7:03 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 15:14:41 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>>
>>> This machine is more fun:
>>> "Powerful Big Tree Harvester Working, Amazing Giant Excavator Cutting
>>> Tree, Fast Tree Removal Machine"
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suqIZoAcBmA>
>>> Fell, trim branches, debark, buck, and stack. All that's missing is
>>> split, chipper, stack and haul.
>>>
>>> The neighbors tree project is moving along nicely. No damage or
>>> fatalities so far. I'll post some photos later. The fir trees are
>>> "toothpicks". 150 to 200 high, but only about 5ft(?) diameter. That's
>>> what happens when the forest is clear cut and everything has to
>>> simultaneously compete for the available sunlight. The result is a
>>> very dense forest full of very tall toothpicks. I'll do some
>>> measuring and trigonometry (later) and calculate the height and
>>> measure diameter of the fir trees.
>>
>> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
>> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
>> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
>> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>>
>> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>>
>
>Felling a tree in woodlands is hard enough (until recently
>done in Wisconsin in winter with horses and chains over the
>snow) but anywhere near buildings, power lines, roads and
>such it's significantly more difficult!

Admittedly a play on words but "felling" a tree is no more difficult
near buildings, etc. It's not hitting the building that is difficult
(:-)
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/27/2022 7:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:03:13 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
>> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
>> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
>> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>>
>> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>
> Yeah, if I manage to live long enough to enjoy the rest of my life.
>
> I use a chainsaw or two:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/chainsaw/chain-saws-02.jpg>
> telescoping loppers:
> <https://www.fiskars.com/en-us/gardening-and-yard-care/products/loppers/extendable-loppers-power-lever-25-37-391681-1003>
> and borrow or rent a pickup truck, powered splitter and chipper as
> needed. I used to buy most of my annual firewood consumption because
> it cost me less to have the local tree butchers do the work and
> deliver the wood, than the money I lost by not being in my office
> working. However, now that I'm retired, I theoretically have more
> time to waste on firewood. Thanks to last year's CZU fire, there's
> quite a bit of fallen and standing firewood waiting to be removed,
> essentially for free. Unfortunately, all the easily accessible stuff
> is gone, so next year is likely to be more difficult.
>
> Just one problem with this plan. I'm now 74 years ancient and am
> lacking in strength and stamina. It wasn't a problem when I bought
> the house in about 1974(?), but now, age has taken its toll. I now
> spread the firewood work over the entire year rather than try to get
> it all done in a week or so.
>
> The stove:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/wood-burner.jpg>
> About 1.5 cords:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>
> Incidentally, when someone moves into the neighborhood, one of their
> first purchases is a chain saw. They have this illusion that they're
> going to drop a few trees for firewood. Most have no idea how much
> work that can be. After they've give up, I usually make a tidy profit
> from buying and reselling their barely used chainsaw. If they want to
> keep the chainsaw, then I make a small profit replacing or rebuilding
> chainsaw carburetors and replacing the fuel lines.
>
> I don't know what the tree service is charging to remove the trees.
> The last estimate I saw for removing big fir trees close to houses was
> about $3,500 each.
>
> BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
> madrone firewood $600.
>

I'm a distant observer but instead of felling a tree and
skidding it down to flat or cleared ground:

https://live.staticflickr.com/4660/39808749524_e38ee4a245.jpg

Now, loggers cut angled roads across hillsides for power
equipment, so they have to take a LOT of hardwood to make
that pay. How do you get the timber out without snow?

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 17:53:09 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:03:13 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
>>pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
>>accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
>>neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>>
>>AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>
>Yeah, if I manage to live long enough to enjoy the rest of my life.
>
>I use a chainsaw or two:
><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/chainsaw/chain-saws-02.jpg>
>telescoping loppers:
><https://www.fiskars.com/en-us/gardening-and-yard-care/products/loppers/extendable-loppers-power-lever-25-37-391681-1003>
>and borrow or rent a pickup truck, powered splitter and chipper as
>needed. I used to buy most of my annual firewood consumption because
>it cost me less to have the local tree butchers do the work and
>deliver the wood, than the money I lost by not being in my office
>working. However, now that I'm retired, I theoretically have more
>time to waste on firewood. Thanks to last year's CZU fire, there's
>quite a bit of fallen and standing firewood waiting to be removed,
>essentially for free. Unfortunately, all the easily accessible stuff
>is gone, so next year is likely to be more difficult.
>
>Just one problem with this plan. I'm now 74 years ancient and am
>lacking in strength and stamina. It wasn't a problem when I bought
>the house in about 1974(?), but now, age has taken its toll. I now
>spread the firewood work over the entire year rather than try to get
>it all done in a week or so.
>
>The stove:
><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/wood-burner.jpg>
>About 1.5 cords:
><http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>
>Incidentally, when someone moves into the neighborhood, one of their
>first purchases is a chain saw. They have this illusion that they're
>going to drop a few trees for firewood. Most have no idea how much
>work that can be. After they've give up, I usually make a tidy profit
>from buying and reselling their barely used chainsaw. If they want to
>keep the chainsaw, then I make a small profit replacing or rebuilding
>chainsaw carburetors and replacing the fuel lines.
>
>I don't know what the tree service is charging to remove the trees.
>The last estimate I saw for removing big fir trees close to houses was
>about $3,500 each.
>
>BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
>madrone firewood $600.

My grandfather heated his two story house with wood for years and
years. He had a "wood lot" and every fall he'd cut, split and saw into
stove lengths, wood, and store it in the "Wood Shed just down back of
the house.. It usually took him, working with hand saw and axe of
course, about a month to do this and disregarding the loss of trees in
the wood lot the cash cost was essentially zero.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 20:09:50 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/27/2022 7:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Fri, 28 Jan 2022 08:03:13 +0700, John B. <slocombjb@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I read that "The national average cost for tree removal is
>>> pegged at $715". For a job that any male adult should be capable of
>>> accomplishing with a $50 axe and a $200 crosscut saw and a son, or the
>>> neighbor kid, to help (:-)
>>>
>>> AND... you can use the axe and saw for the rest of your life (:-)
>>
>> Yeah, if I manage to live long enough to enjoy the rest of my life.
>>
>> I use a chainsaw or two:
>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/chainsaw/chain-saws-02.jpg>
>> telescoping loppers:
>> <https://www.fiskars.com/en-us/gardening-and-yard-care/products/loppers/extendable-loppers-power-lever-25-37-391681-1003>
>> and borrow or rent a pickup truck, powered splitter and chipper as
>> needed. I used to buy most of my annual firewood consumption because
>> it cost me less to have the local tree butchers do the work and
>> deliver the wood, than the money I lost by not being in my office
>> working. However, now that I'm retired, I theoretically have more
>> time to waste on firewood. Thanks to last year's CZU fire, there's
>> quite a bit of fallen and standing firewood waiting to be removed,
>> essentially for free. Unfortunately, all the easily accessible stuff
>> is gone, so next year is likely to be more difficult.
>>
>> Just one problem with this plan. I'm now 74 years ancient and am
>> lacking in strength and stamina. It wasn't a problem when I bought
>> the house in about 1974(?), but now, age has taken its toll. I now
>> spread the firewood work over the entire year rather than try to get
>> it all done in a week or so.
>>
>> The stove:
>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/wood-burner.jpg>
>> About 1.5 cords:
>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>>
>> Incidentally, when someone moves into the neighborhood, one of their
>> first purchases is a chain saw. They have this illusion that they're
>> going to drop a few trees for firewood. Most have no idea how much
>> work that can be. After they've give up, I usually make a tidy profit
>> from buying and reselling their barely used chainsaw. If they want to
>> keep the chainsaw, then I make a small profit replacing or rebuilding
>> chainsaw carburetors and replacing the fuel lines.
>>
>> I don't know what the tree service is charging to remove the trees.
>> The last estimate I saw for removing big fir trees close to houses was
>> about $3,500 each.
>>
>> BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
>> madrone firewood $600.
>>
>
>I'm a distant observer but instead of felling a tree and
>skidding it down to flat or cleared ground:
>
>https://live.staticflickr.com/4660/39808749524_e38ee4a245.jpg
>
>Now, loggers cut angled roads across hillsides for power
>equipment, so they have to take a LOT of hardwood to make
>that pay. How do you get the timber out without snow?

Well, in the old days you fell and cut timber basically all year and
skidded it out, with a team, after snow fall. But even back then they
cut roads through the woods - "logging roads" - as how else could you
get the team in to the logs (:-)

In some areas they skidded it down to a river and floated it down to
the mill.

My mother's father was big in the business, in New Hampshire, and when
I was a little fellow sometimes I used to spend the day with Grandpa
at the mill.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:20 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> About 1.5 cords:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>
> BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
> madrone firewood $600.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
>
Okay, I'll bite. How is "a cord" determined? Is it a fixed weight? Or a fixed volume, like so many F150 loads? Or enough wood to make x BTUs when efficiently burned?

Here's one for your trivia basket. You've seen on paper that its weight is 70lbs or 190 grammes per square meter (gsm), or whatever. That's a highly movable target as one 80gsm paper can be thin while the one right next door at the same weight is thick. The problem arises because traditionally the weight of the paper is not an absolute, but relates to the size of the sheet from which it was cut. The weight of five hundred full sheets of paper is taken, and then divided by square meters of end-user sheets cut from it, so if you start with small sheets (typical of artisan "handmade" paper) out of the drum, fewer end-user sheets can be cut, whereas when you start with huge sheets (typical of mass production papers), many end-user sheets can be cut. There's also the fact that with the huge sheets there's proportionately less wastage.

Andre Jute
Try, as an extremely advanced exercise in communication, to explain to a time-served printing master craftsman why this traditional way of determining an important element in the quality of paper sows nothing but confusion, and you'll soon discover what frustration really is.

On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 12:38:51 AM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:20 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > About 1.5 cords:
> > <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
> >
> > BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
> > madrone firewood $600.
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> Okay, I'll bite. How is "a cord" determined? Is it a fixed weight? Or a fixed volume, like so many F150 loads? Or enough wood to make x BTUs when efficiently burned?
>
> Here's one for your trivia basket. You've seen on paper that its weight is 70lbs or 190 grammes per square meter (gsm), or whatever. That's a highly movable target as one 80gsm paper can be thin while the one right next door at the same weight is thick. The problem arises because traditionally the weight of the paper is not an absolute, but relates to the size of the sheet from which it was cut. The weight of five hundred full sheets of paper is taken, and then divided by square meters of end-user sheets cut from it, so if you start with small sheets (typical of artisan "handmade" paper) out of the drum, fewer end-user sheets can be cut, whereas when you start with huge sheets (typical of mass production papers), many end-user sheets can be cut. There's also the fact that with the huge sheets there's proportionately less wastage.
>
> Andre Jute
> Try, as an extremely advanced exercise in communication, to explain to a time-served printing master craftsman why this traditional way of determining an important element in the quality of paper sows nothing but confusion, and you'll soon discover what frustration really is.

In the US it's volume - 128 cubic feet.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 4:28:45 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 7:07:26 PM UTC, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
> > Tom, there MUST be political discussion groups where you can rant on
> > topic, instead of poisoning all discussions here.
> >
> > Your political views are obviously not getting much approval here. Take
> > your political crap elsewhere where you have a slight chance to be a
> > hero instead of a fool.
> >
> > --
> > - Frank Krygowski
> >
> Who appointed you gatekeeper of RBT, scumbag?

Who appointed kunich the fascist paramilitary who constantly threatens physical violence, scumbag?

> >
> Andre Jute
> This jerk Krygowski is incapable of learning anything.

This impotent twit jute is incapable of engaging anyone without hateful rhetoric.

On Thursday, January 27, 2022 at 9:38:51 PM UTC-8, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:20 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > About 1.5 cords:
> > <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
> >
> > BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
> > madrone firewood $600.
> > --
> > Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> > PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> > Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> > Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558
> >
> Okay, I'll bite. How is "a cord" determined? Is it a fixed weight? Or a fixed volume, like so many F150 loads? Or enough wood to make x BTUs when efficiently burned?
>
> Here's one for your trivia basket. You've seen on paper that its weight is 70lbs or 190 grammes per square meter (gsm), or whatever. That's a highly movable target as one 80gsm paper can be thin while the one right next door at the same weight is thick. The problem arises because traditionally the weight of the paper is not an absolute, but relates to the size of the sheet from which it was cut. The weight of five hundred full sheets of paper is taken, and then divided by square meters of end-user sheets cut from it, so if you start with small sheets (typical of artisan "handmade" paper) out of the drum, fewer end-user sheets can be cut, whereas when you start with huge sheets (typical of mass production papers), many end-user sheets can be cut. There's also the fact that with the huge sheets there's proportionately less wastage.
>
> Andre Jute
> Try, as an extremely advanced exercise in communication, to explain to a time-served printing master craftsman why this traditional way of determining an important element in the quality of paper sows nothing but confusion, and you'll soon discover what frustration really is.
Most people here call a cord a fixed volume and they don't know that the energy content of that can vary by 300%. But then I'm sure that the idiots can Google it and tell you the volume without knowing any actual particulars about it.

Am 28.01.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Jeff Liebermann:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 21:38:49 -0800 (PST), Andre Jute
> <fiultra1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, January 28, 2022 at 1:53:20 AM UTC, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> About 1.5 cords:
>>> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/firewood-2011.jpg>
>>>
>>> BTW. The current price for a delivered cord of 14" or 15" oak or
>>> madrone firewood $600.
>
>> Okay, I'll bite. How is "a cord" determined? Is it a fixed weight? Or a fixed volume, like so many F150 loads? Or enough wood to make x BTUs when efficiently burned?
>
> It's suppose to be a neatly stacked woodpile.
> Nominally 4ft x 4ft x 8ft = 128 cubic-feet.
> However, that's subject to far too much creative interpretation. To
> the buyer, the wood is stacked tightly, with little airspace. To the
> seller, it's whatever is randomly thrown into the back of their pickup
> truck with plywood on the sides to allow for the 4ft height. Extra
> creativity for not allowing for the loss from rear tire wheel wells,
> tool boxes, and debris in the truck. Even when stacked, measurement
> is done with a tape measure. My piles are a bit of a problem as
> they're on a slight grade or hillside. The final determination is
> usually settled by guesswork and haggling. I'll spare you the horror
> stories, but I don't recall getting a genuine full cord of firewood in
> the last 15 years. Some of my wood piles are features at:
> <http://www.learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/pics/home/>

Similarly, in Germany we have "Ster" as a measure of a stacked 1 cubic
meter, with the variations:
1) in the forest (but guaranteed to be reachable by vehicle), it's sawed
to 1m length, 1m height and and stack size (typically sold in
installments like "1 stack of 15 Ster")
2) at the wood dealer, it's guaranteed to be dry but sawed to 1/3m
length (minus losses), typically sold in quantities like 1/2 Ster or 1 Ster.

The weight of such a stack is not a good measure because as the stack
dries it loses weight but gains value.

As sold in the forest, the variation in price between different wood
types is significant, as sold or even delivered by the wood dealer, the
constant aspects of the costs are getting more relevant.

When I was a teenager, my dad once bought a stack of wood in the forest,
borrowed a tractor and trailer to get the stack to our ground, rented a
mobile saw with operators to have it cut to oven sized and then had it
dry some more before bringing it home in the car and trailer for
firewood when needed - having to help with this was the main trigger for
me to stay miles away from any gardening or wood burning activity in my
adult life.

On 1/27/2022 8:10 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 18:44:11 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>> On 1/27/2022 5:34 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Thu, 27 Jan 2022 05:20:32 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>> <funkmasterxx@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, January 26, 2022 at 5:43:36 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>> On 1/26/2022 3:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/26/2022 1:53 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I seem a bit more irritating than usual, it's because a neighbor is
>>>>>>> having a tree service drop several huge fir trees from his property.
>>>>>>> All I've heard this morning is almost continuous yelling in Spanish,
>>>>>>> chain saws running, and an ocassional chipper. The project is
>>>>>>> estimated to take two weeks. Grrr...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm sure every job and its surrounding area present unique troubles but
>>>>>> our neighbor finally removed the overhanging trees above our building in
>>>>>> just a couple of hours:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.yellowjersey.org/877/notree.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Very impressive crew and very fast work.
>>>>> We very sadly had some tall ash trees removed a couple years ago. The
>>>>> company we hired had a very impressive bit of technology, nicknamed a
>>>>> "Spider."
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> We had 3 very large ash trees removed a couple of years ago. Turns out there was a blight caused by the Emerald Ash Borer that killed off pretty much every ash tree in our area. WE still have a couple on our property but left them as they didn't pose any threat to our home, fencing, or swimming pool. The crew used the same 'spider' machine to get the ones inside the pool fence.
>>>
>>> How does is the "Spider" actually used? From the posted photo it looks
>>> like if you "grab the tree near the top, but then, if you cut the tree
>>> at the bottom, just above the ground, as is common with tree felling,
>>> it looks as though the spider might not be capable of supporting the
>>> entire tree weight as it lowers it because of the length of the trunk
>>> below the point the Spider is holding would force the spider "boom" to
>>> be lowered toward the horizontal which in most "cranes" reduces the
>>> lifting ability.
>>
>> No, that Spider is really just a lift bucket for the operator. You're
>> right, it certainly doesn't have the mass and base width to handle the
>> entire tree. It's first trick is to fit through small openings (like
>> gates) and do very little damage to lawns because of its light weight
>> spread out on its tracks. Then everything telescopes out rather amazingly.
>>
>> The owner-operator was in the bucket with a chain saw and ropes,
>> essentially attacking the tree from the top down. He had a nice method
>> of using one rope to tie a limb above and below his cut. He then cut
>> between those tie spots. The cut limb (quite large, BTW) swung down,
>> hanging from the lower tie point. He then lowered it to the ground and
>> attacked another limb. The main trunk was handled the same way, top down.
>
> Way back when "lumberjacks" used to climb up a tree and "top it" by
> cutting branches and the top (small diameter) portion of the tree.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSK-kaTAJn4
>
> My guess, at a tremendously cheaper cost (:-)

FWIW, my very first bicycling buddy (a fellow engineer, back in the
1970s) had gone back to his father's farm to help either prune or take
down some trees. He was high up in a tree with a chainsaw. The saw
somehow slipped and severed most of his quadriceps muscle. As he told
it, his life was saved by his brother, who rushed up the tree and
carried him down. That ended his cycling.

IIRC, logging or "lumberjacking" is one of the deadliest occupations.

--
- Frank Krygowski