On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:03:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >> Incidentally, are you still claiming to be a life member of the
>> >> Aeolian Yacht Club?
>> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-Hmh6pTCz7U/m/e9jy1h-eAAAJ>
>> >> "Well, at least we get the comedy of your comments that the San
>> >> Francisco Bay Sea Level has changed when I am a life member of the
>> >> Aeolian Yacht Club and haven't seen any changes in my time as a
>> >> member."
>> >>
>> >> Also, are you still claiming to be (or have been) and engineer?
>> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Evu4lYkxK6M/m/73vmUjIPAgAJ>
>> >> "Perhaps as an engineer I have always been aware of rim failure."
>> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8lI8HcCbtYQ/m/GgP_A0aHAgAJ>
>> >> "Saying that I have never played with magnets as an electronic
>> >> engineer and designed MANY motor drive designs..."
>> >>
>> >> [ 90 minutes wasted. ]
>> Nice of you to ignore my questions, while expecting answers to your
>> questions. Oh well.
>> >What you have "proven" is that you are totally unaware of your own citation
>> >or you are unable to understand it.
>> Thank you for giving me only two options. That was very generous of
>> you. However, you should consider that there is at least one
>> additional possibility such as I don't have a clue which of my
>> numerous references which mentions a connection between PWM and TDR or
>> cable testing. It's not my job to find YOUR references or
>> substantiate YOUR claims. If you had previously found the alleged
>> citation, you can find it again for yourself so your audience can
>> determine if proves your point.
>> >Tell you what you pin headed idiot - if you believe this to be such
>> >a waste of your time why are you answering them?
>> I previously answered that question at least once. Expanding a
>> little: My purpose here is to expose your lies, expose you fabricated
>> numbers, fact-check your misinformation, correct your errors,
>> demonstrate your lack of ability in various technical areas, and ruin
>> what little is left of your credibility and reputation. Besides the
>> entertainment value, researching your amazing facts also provides me
>> with an excuse to research some potentially interesting areas.
>
>Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.

Successful???

Well, from your own posts

(1) you weren't intelligent enough to be able to finish high school
which anyone that can count to 10 without moving their lips can do.

(2) You joined the Air force and spent 4 years carrying someone's tool
box

(3) You then started working in civilian jobs and have been unable to
keep a job more then a short time

(4) You brag about all your money and complain about the cost of
groceries

(5) You talk about being on Social Security and fixing up second hand
junk and selling it on ebay

(6) You live in a $50,000 house

(7) You live in a slum where guns are going bang all night and the
sidewalks are full of illegal immigrants
In short, Tommy, while you talk a lot anyone that actually listens to
what you say understands that rather then the Famous and Talented Tom
we are actually hearing Tommy the Failure.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 00:30:25 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com>
wrote:

>On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:03:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
><cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.
>
>How do you measure your success? By miles ridden per year? By the
>attention you're getting in RBT? By your huge number of postings in
>RBT, few of which are worth reading? By your consistent success in
>not admitting that you were wrong? Perhaps you're keeping count of
>the number of amazing facts and wrong answers you provide in RBT?
>Perhaps you collect status symbols, such as your life membership in
>the Aeolian Yacht Club? Maybe you measure success by the large number
>of disciplines in which you claim expertise, such as bicycle
>mechanics, medicine, politics, law, investing, engineering, science,
>electronics, etc? Probably none of these. My guess(tm) is that you
>measure your success by the size and complexity of the distorted
>images of reality and of your past experience which you have
>constructed for the benefit of RBT. In that, I'm quite certain that
>you are very successful.
>
>When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
>matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.

Narcissistic Complex

"A mental condition in which people have an
inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive
attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of
empathy for others. But is vulnerable to the slightest criticism and
frequently respond to criticism with insults and
threats of physical assault."

As my grandmother used to say, "Batty as a bedbug", although
admittedly I'm not sure why a bedbug would be considered insane. How
about "Crazy as a cockroach". It has a certain "ring" to it.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:03:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.
> How do you measure your success? By miles ridden per year? By the
> attention you're getting in RBT? By your huge number of postings in
> RBT, few of which are worth reading? By your consistent success in
> not admitting that you were wrong? Perhaps you're keeping count of
> the number of amazing facts and wrong answers you provide in RBT?
> Perhaps you collect status symbols, such as your life membership in
> the Aeolian Yacht Club? Maybe you measure success by the large number
> of disciplines in which you claim expertise, such as bicycle
> mechanics, medicine, politics, law, investing, engineering, science,
> electronics, etc? Probably none of these. My guess(tm) is that you
> measure your success by the size and complexity of the distorted
> images of reality and of your past experience which you have
> constructed for the benefit of RBT. In that, I'm quite certain that
> you are very successful.
>
> When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
> matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.

You were never a real engineer and I was. I worked on the very cutting edge of science and you are talking about working on marine radios. What a worthless loser. This completely aside from the fact that you haunt a bicycle.tech group when you don't ride and you don't know shit about bicycle maintenance. It is like watching the Jeffy Clown Show,.

On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>
>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>
>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>> pathetic:
>>>
>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>
>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>> to the instant case.
>>
>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>
>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>
>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>
> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
> the court refused to hear them.
>
> How do you stand it?
>

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>>>>> about the
>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>>>>> wire that was hot.
>>>>
>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
>>>> probably wanted to
>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>>>
>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>>>> grey) for the
>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>>>> with yellow
>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>>>> colors except
>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>>
>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>>>>
>>
>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
>>> hot. We were
>>> talking about single phase.
>>
>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
>> are hot.
>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
>
> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
> that white was hot and black was neutral.
>
> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
>
>

I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that
there are two different formats for '220v service' and had
to replace the electric motor on our air compressor in our
new building. (although he used the same motor controller
box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the travails
of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2022 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>> When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
>> matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.
>
> You were never a real engineer and I was.

No, Tom, you were not. You may pretend you were, but you were not.

> I worked on the very cutting edge of science ...

.... sort of like the guy sweeping the floors at NASA. Tinkering with
code does not make a person an engineer. Losing job after job after a
year or two is proof of that.

> This completely aside from the fact that you haunt a bicycle.tech group when you don't ride and you don't know shit about bicycle maintenance.

Speaking of maintenance: Did you figure out how to keep your saddle
attached yet? (In all my decades of riding I knew only one other guy
whose saddle attachment failed.)

You hold the all time record for describing your bike maintenance flubs
here on r.b.tech.

Yet you pretend you're a competent bike mechanic - just as you pretend
you were a competent engineer.

Self-delusion seems to be your main coping strategy. It's time you
learned a better one.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>>>>>> about the
>>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>>>>>> wire that was hot.
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually, that's a trick question.  More than you
>>>>> probably wanted to
>>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>>>>> grey) for the
>>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>>>>> with yellow
>>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>>>>> colors except
>>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>>>
>>>>> Standards are a good thing.  Every country should have one:
>>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
>>>> hot. We were
>>>> talking about single phase.
>>>
>>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
>>> are hot.
>>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
>>
>> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
>> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
>> that white was hot and black was neutral.
>>
>> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
>>
>>
>
> I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
> two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
> motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
> same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
> travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.

About education:

None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
they did not receive formal training.

But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
they need; and who know how and where to look.

Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
to a guy who graduated from my program.

I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).

She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
LEARN."

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:35:26 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
> >> matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.
> >
> > You were never a real engineer and I was.
> No, Tom, you were not. You may pretend you were, but you were not.
>
> > I worked on the very cutting edge of science ...
>
> ... sort of like the guy sweeping the floors at NASA. Tinkering with
> code does not make a person an engineer. Losing job after job after a
> year or two is proof of that.
> > This completely aside from the fact that you haunt a bicycle.tech group when you don't ride and you don't know shit about bicycle maintenance.
> Speaking of maintenance: Did you figure out how to keep your saddle
> attached yet? (In all my decades of riding I knew only one other guy
> whose saddle attachment failed.)
>
> You hold the all time record for describing your bike maintenance flubs
> here on r.b.tech.
>
> Yet you pretend you're a competent bike mechanic - just as you pretend
> you were a competent engineer.
>
> Self-delusion seems to be your main coping strategy. It's time you
> learned a better one.

Those who can do and those who can't teach. Sitting in front of a class pretending to be your little petty dictator saying the same thing over and over year after year makes you no kind of Engineer. Crying that I changed jobs a lot because you were NEVER in a position to know what engineering is shows a layer of comedy that you don't even recognize.

You're nothing more that Fat Johnny living in the US decrying that I'm a life member of a local yacht club and he isn't. I wonder if there is one thing you won't say in your jealousy of someone that was actually successful. That is now worth a million and a half while you're eking out a living on a teacher's pension. Don't you think you should tell us again about how the rich aren't deserving of their money but you are for doing not one thing in your life of any value?

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:03:28 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> >>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
> >>>>>> about the
> >>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
> >>>>>> wire that was hot.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
> >>>>> probably wanted to
> >>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
> >>>>> grey) for the
> >>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
> >>>>> with yellow
> >>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
> >>>>> colors except
> >>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> >>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>
> >>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
> >>>> hot. We were
> >>>> talking about single phase.
> >>>
> >>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
> >>> are hot.
> >>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
> >>
> >> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
> >> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
> >> that white was hot and black was neutral.
> >>
> >> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
> > two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
> > motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
> > same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
> > travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.
> About education:
>
> None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
> initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
> they did not receive formal training.
>
> But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
> they need; and who know how and where to look.
>
> Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
> whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
> hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
> to a guy who graduated from my program.
>
> I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
> there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
> completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).
>
> She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
> our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
> LEARN."

And of course you don't even understand that means that they got nothing from you and had to learn self education.

On 1/23/2022 11:03 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>>>>>>> wire that was hot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
>>>>>> probably wanted to
>>>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>>>>>> grey) for the
>>>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>>>>>> with yellow
>>>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>>>>>> colors except
>>>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should
>>>>>> have one:
>>>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
>>>>> hot. We were
>>>>> talking about single phase.
>>>>
>>>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
>>>> are hot.
>>>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
>>>
>>> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
>>> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
>>> that white was hot and black was neutral.
>>>
>>> Which probably had something to do with his nickname
>>> "Sparky."
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found
>> that there are two different formats for '220v service'
>> and had to replace the electric motor on our air
>> compressor in our new building. (although he used the same
>> motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown
>> unknowns' and the travails of us, the uneducated, out in
>> the real world.
>
> About education:
>
> None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has
> much initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on
> projects for which they did not receive formal training.
>
> But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the
> information they need; and who know how and where to look.
>
> Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental
> technician, whom I met during a regular visit when she began
> cleaning my teeth. It's hard to converse in that situation,
> but I soon learned she was married to a guy who graduated
> from my program.
>
> I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he
> was still there. She said he was at that same company, but
> had moved on to completely different projects (not that I
> can remember the details now).
>
> She reported that her husband said "We never learned about
> this stuff in our program. I had to learn it on my own. But
> Krygowski taught us how to LEARN."
>
>

There are 'unknown unknowns' however. I actually noted that
there was a 220v circuit at the main panel (AC system). So
naturally I moved the compressor system and called the air
service guys for setup. Never thought it may have been the
'wrong flavor' of 220v. I didn't know what I didn't know.

Which is different from 'known unknowns'. Before working on
someone's vehicle new to me, I look up the correct oil
filter, oil spec, spark plug number and so on along with
service notes. I know what I don't know, which is a
different more easily solved problem.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/23/2022 1:49 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 11:03 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>>>>>>> <frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>>>>>>>> about the
>>>>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>>>>>>>> wire that was hot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Actually, that's a trick question.  More than you
>>>>>>> probably wanted to
>>>>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>>>>>>> grey) for the
>>>>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>>>>>>> with yellow
>>>>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>>>>>>> colors except
>>>>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Standards are a good thing.  Every country should
>>>>>>> have one:
>>>>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
>>>>>> hot. We were
>>>>>> talking about single phase.
>>>>>
>>>>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
>>>>> are hot.
>>>>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
>>>>
>>>> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
>>>> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
>>>> that white was hot and black was neutral.
>>>>
>>>> Which probably had something to do with his nickname
>>>> "Sparky."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found
>>> that there are two different formats for '220v service'
>>> and had to replace the electric motor on our air
>>> compressor in our new building. (although he used the same
>>> motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown
>>> unknowns' and the travails of us, the uneducated, out in
>>> the real world.
>>
>> About education:
>>
>> None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has
>> much initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on
>> projects for which they did not receive formal training.
>>
>> But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the
>> information they need; and who know how and where to look.
>>
>> Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental
>> technician, whom I met during a regular visit when she began
>> cleaning my teeth. It's hard to converse in that situation,
>> but I soon learned she was married to a guy who graduated
>> from my program.
>>
>> I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he
>> was still there. She said he was at that same company, but
>> had moved on to completely different projects (not that I
>> can remember the details now).
>>
>> She reported that her husband said "We never learned about
>> this stuff in our program. I had to learn it on my own. But
>> Krygowski taught us how to LEARN."
>>
>>
>
> There are 'unknown unknowns' however. I actually noted that there was a
> 220v circuit at the main panel (AC system). So naturally I moved the
> compressor system and called the air service guys for setup. Never
> thought it may have been the 'wrong flavor' of 220v. I didn't know what
> I didn't know.
>
> Which is different from 'known unknowns'. Before working on someone's
> vehicle new to me, I look up the correct oil filter, oil spec, spark
> plug number and so on along with service notes. I know what I don't
> know, which is a different more easily solved problem.
>
That's a valid point.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/23/2022 3:44 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>
>
> Incidentally, scientists work with theory. Engineers design practical
> products using the theory. Technicians build, test, and repair the
> products.

There's variation, of course, but that's a good summary of typical duties.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>
>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>
>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>> pathetic:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>
>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>> to the instant case.
>>>
>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>
>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>
>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>
>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>> the court refused to hear them.
>>
>> How do you stand it?
>>
>
>https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html

Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
country.... isn't it?
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:24:04 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 8:35:26 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 10:57 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>> > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
>> >> matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.
>> >
>> > You were never a real engineer and I was.
>> No, Tom, you were not. You may pretend you were, but you were not.
>>
>> > I worked on the very cutting edge of science ...
>>
>> ... sort of like the guy sweeping the floors at NASA. Tinkering with
>> code does not make a person an engineer. Losing job after job after a
>> year or two is proof of that.
>> > This completely aside from the fact that you haunt a bicycle.tech group when you don't ride and you don't know shit about bicycle maintenance.
>> Speaking of maintenance: Did you figure out how to keep your saddle
>> attached yet? (In all my decades of riding I knew only one other guy
>> whose saddle attachment failed.)
>>
>> You hold the all time record for describing your bike maintenance flubs
>> here on r.b.tech.
>>
>> Yet you pretend you're a competent bike mechanic - just as you pretend
>> you were a competent engineer.
>>
>> Self-delusion seems to be your main coping strategy. It's time you
>> learned a better one.
>
>Those who can do and those who can't teach. Sitting in front of a class pretending to be your little petty dictator saying the same thing over and over year after year makes you no kind of Engineer. Crying that I changed jobs a lot because you were NEVER in a position to know what engineering is shows a layer of comedy that you don't even recognize.
>
>You're nothing more that Fat Johnny living in the US decrying that I'm a life member of a local yacht club and he isn't. I wonder if there is one thing you won't say in your jealousy of someone that was actually successful. That is now worth a million and a half while you're eking out a living on a teacher's pension. Don't you think you should tell us again about how the rich aren't deserving of their money but you are for doing not one thing in your life of any value?

And thus speaks the chap that was too stupid to be allowed to graduate
from high school, that was a tool box carrier in the A.F. and has
never be competent enough to keep a job for more then a short time,
lives in a cheap house in a self described slum - guns banging all
night - and packed with illegal immigrants, complaining in his dotage
about the cost of food and trying to repair second hand junk and
selling it on ebay.

Yes Sir! A real success story!

--
Cheers,

John B.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 09:25:42 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
<cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:03:28 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
>> > On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> >> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
>> >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
>> >>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
>> >>>>>> about the
>> >>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
>> >>>>>> wire that was hot.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
>> >>>>> probably wanted to
>> >>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
>> >>>>> grey) for the
>> >>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
>> >>>>> with yellow
>> >>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
>> >>>>> colors except
>> >>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
>> >>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
>> >>>> hot. We were
>> >>>> talking about single phase.
>> >>>
>> >>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
>> >>> are hot.
>> >>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
>> >>
>> >> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
>> >> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
>> >> that white was hot and black was neutral.
>> >>
>> >> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
>> > two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
>> > motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
>> > same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
>> > travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.
>> About education:
>>
>> None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
>> initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
>> they did not receive formal training.
>>
>> But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
>> they need; and who know how and where to look.
>>
>> Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
>> whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
>> hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
>> to a guy who graduated from my program.
>>
>> I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
>> there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
>> completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).
>>
>> She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
>> our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
>> LEARN."
>
>And of course you don't even understand that means that they got nothing from you and had to learn self education.

And thus speaks the chap that was so stupid as to NOT have been
allowed to graduate from high school. and who so often tells lies in
an effort to convince bystanders that he really does know something...
The 10,000 lb automobile comes to mind here as his most recent foray
into the world of imagination.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>
>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>
>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>
>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>>
>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>
>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>
>>> How do you stand it?
>>>
>>
>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>
> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
> country.... isn't it?
>

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:44:52 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 07:57:46 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:30:33 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:03:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.
> >> How do you measure your success? By miles ridden per year? By the
> >> attention you're getting in RBT? By your huge number of postings in
> >> RBT, few of which are worth reading? By your consistent success in
> >> not admitting that you were wrong? Perhaps you're keeping count of
> >> the number of amazing facts and wrong answers you provide in RBT?
> >> Perhaps you collect status symbols, such as your life membership in
> >> the Aeolian Yacht Club? Maybe you measure success by the large number
> >> of disciplines in which you claim expertise, such as bicycle
> >> mechanics, medicine, politics, law, investing, engineering, science,
> >> electronics, etc? Probably none of these. My guess(tm) is that you
> >> measure your success by the size and complexity of the distorted
> >> images of reality and of your past experience which you have
> >> constructed for the benefit of RBT. In that, I'm quite certain that
> >> you are very successful.
> >>
> >> When all useful information has been removed, whatever remains, no
> >> matter how improbable and inaccurate, must always be about Tom.
>
> >You were never a real engineer and I was. I worked on the very cutting edge of science
> I believe that I've adequately demonstrated that I've helped design a
> few products. I forgot your answer, but did you want me to post the
> model numbers of the products I helped design? Maybe I can add what I
> accomplished. Tom, I realize that it's a waste of my time asking you
> to answer a direct question, but I thought you might want to try to
> see how it feels.
>
> Incidentally, scientists work with theory. Engineers design practical
> products using the theory. Technicians build, test, and repair the
> products.
> >and you are talking about working on marine radios.
> Nope, if you define "working on" as doing the technicians job. I
> designed various radio related products for 3 companies and cleaned up
> someone else's design or production mess for about 8 companies and
> individuals. Add about 5-10 "quick fixes". All of these were on RF
> related products. About half the designs and most of the time were on
> marine radios. The rest (from memory) were two pagers, three datacomm
> radios, a wireless bluegoof speaker, and whatever else I forgot. Not
> all were successful, but my batting average was deemed acceptable.
> Also, I did work as a technician while working in 2way commercial
> radio and while troubleshooting production problems at various
> employers.
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeff-liebermann-151823/>
> >What a worthless loser. This completely aside from the fact that
> >you haunt a bicycle.tech group when you don't ride and you don't
> >know shit about bicycle maintenance. It is like watching the
> >Jeffy Clown Show,.
> Nope. I currently haunt the bicycle newsgroups to ruin what's left of
> your credibility, to point out your mistakes, to fact check your lies,
> and satisfy your insatiable appetite for self aggrandizement. In my
> spare time, I try to answer peoples questions. At one time, it was
> possible to learn something about bicycle maintenance, but that ended
> when you returned to RBT.
>
> My apologies for not mentioning Tom in this reply.
>
> [ 15 minutes wasted ]

Jeff, I was pulling your leg when I said that you weren't an engineer. RF and marine radios all have a commercial place in this society. But you have to admit that you can't say that you were in the same category as my work. HIV, Heart/lung machine, cancer treatment devices as well as liquid and gas chromatographs that are the basic units of analysis for all biological and chemical laboratories. Dozens of lesser products like the NASA communication converter or the poison gas detector for the military to protect our troops in Desert Storm?

There is absolutely a place for teachers in engineering courses but the pretense that thousands of people couldn't do that job is ridiculous. While I'm certain that there are professors of engineering that are outstanding and make good students better. But from Frank's comments he isn't one of them. He is a simple college teacher that provides a service and no more. Comments of his that rich people should have their money stolen from them and given to him is pretty direct.

If you think this is wasted time I will ask you again - why are you doing it? You certainly aren't saying anything you haven't said a thousand times. And no one is listening except me and you certainly aren't having any effect on someone that is rich and getting richer.

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 4:29:45 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
> > On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
> >>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
> >>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
> >>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> >>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
> >>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
> >>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
> >>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
> >>>>>>>>>>> governor of
> >>>>>>>>>>> California.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
> >>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
> >>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
> >>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
> >>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
> >>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
> >>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
> >>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
> >>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
> >>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
> >>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
> >>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
> >>>>>>>>> was procedural.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
> >>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
> >>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
> >>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
> >>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
> >>>>>>>> lost the election?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
> >>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
> >>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
> >>>>>>> public record, no?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
> >>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
> >>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
> >>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
> >>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
> >>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
> >>>>> pathetic:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
> >>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
> >>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
> >>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
> >>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
> >>>>> to the instant case.
> >>>>
> >>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
> >>>>
> >>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
> >>>>
> >>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count.. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
> >>>
> >>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
> >>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
> >>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
> >>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
> >>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
> >>> the court refused to hear them.
> >>>
> >>> How do you stand it?
> >>>
> >>
> >> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
> >
> > Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
> > country.... isn't it?
> >
> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID
> and recently widespread mail or drop off or internet voting.
> There's always finagling but the question is to what extent-
> a yet open question.
>
> Eyebrows are also raised about private partisan agents
> displacing election staff for counting ballots (WI), State
> executive and judicial officials violating Statutes (PA),
> denial of access to election observers during ballot counts
> (MI) and other irregularities unique to 2020. Serious
> questions remain unaddressed.

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:29:39 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>
>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>
>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>
>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>> country.... isn't it?
>>
>
>We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID
>and recently widespread mail or drop off or internet voting.
>There's always finagling but the question is to what extent-
>a yet open question.
>

On 1/23/2022 7:32 PM, John B. wrote:
> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:29:39 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>
>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>>
>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>>> country.... isn't it?
>>>
>>
>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID
>> and recently widespread mail or drop off or internet voting.
>> There's always finagling but the question is to what extent-
>> a yet open question.
>>
>
> Yes. Here, for example, everyone (all citizens) have two documents, an
> Identification Card and a "Residence Registration" both of which are
> required for most legally binding transactions. If you were to move
> houses, for example, you would update your residence registration,
> which also, at election time identifies all legal voters in the
> district. At voting time you simply go to your voting location and
> show your I.D. card and the people there look your name up on the
> resident list and assuming they find your name they hand you a ballot.
>
> I'm not sure about vote counting but I'm fairly sure that the various
> candidates, or their representatives, witness this, although I don't
> know who actually counts the votes.
>
> And, to be honest, in the years that I've lived here I have never
> heard of "voter fraud". Vote buying, yes, but not fraud, per se.
> And in reality what is the fundamental difference between, "vote for
> me and I'll give you 100 baht" and "vote for me and I'll raise minimum
> wages"?
>

On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 20:08:31 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:

>On 1/23/2022 7:32 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 18:29:39 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 1/23/2022 4:54 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 10:21:07 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 1/22/2022 4:51 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 12:36:05 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>>>>> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Friday, January 21, 2022 at 4:50:07 PM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 5:05 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 12:04:15 -0600, AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 1/21/2022 9:49 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 8:41 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 1/20/2022 7:02 PM, John B. wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 16:40:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <je...@cruzio.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 14:02:01 -0800 (PST),
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "funkma...@hotmail.com"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Did Jeff ever claim to be an engineer? I must have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> missed that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, I made that claim at some point in the past.?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Photo of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> diploma:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://learnbydestroying.com/jeffl/crud/diploma-jeffl.jpg>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Notice that it's signed by Ronald Reagan, when he was
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> governor of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> California.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Ah well, Jeff - many, Tommy - zero. So Jeff wins by a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> landslide (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is, unless Tommy can PROVE voter fraud (:-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about video of a felony in progress and telephone
>>>>>>>>>>>> location data which matches?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Last September first reports:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-video-shows-traffickers-dumping-thousands-of-ballots-in-georgia-drop-boxes-in-middle-of-the-night/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Follow up this month:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.worldtribune.com/report-georgia-investigating-alleged-illegal-ballot-harvesting-in-2020-election/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Then there's Pennsylvania with statutory and
>>>>>>>>>>>> constitutional violations.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also Wisconsin, where the nearby Dane County Clerk ran
>>>>>>>>>>>> television ads to brag about violating the statute on
>>>>>>>>>>>> ballot harvesting.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Judge Salas, in NJ, who was scheduled to hear a case
>>>>>>>>>>>> involving Jeffrey Epstein, suffered the loss of her son,
>>>>>>>>>>>> shot dead in her doorway. The shooter also conveniently
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'committed suicide'. Once that message was heard, clearly,
>>>>>>>>>>>> no judge allowed any election fraud evidence or testimony
>>>>>>>>>>>> into any court record. Zip, nada, nothing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not one case was heard, deliberated, decided. Every ruling
>>>>>>>>>>>> was procedural.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Astonishing. Millions and millions of allegations across so
>>>>>>>>>>> many states! So many audits, so many recounts, so many
>>>>>>>>>>> Trumpian attempts to prove and to prosecute.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yet so many Republican judges and officials and their hirees
>>>>>>>>>>> (or their "cyber ninjas") all the way up to his vice
>>>>>>>>>>> president saying, in effect, "Bullshit."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> How could they _all_ have been fooled into thinking Trump
>>>>>>>>>>> lost the election?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or is it possible, just possible, that he actually did?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Maybe, maybe not.
>>>>>>>>>> There's reasonable doubt and not one case was heard, no
>>>>>>>>>> testimony, no evidence. If it were clear, one might expect a
>>>>>>>>>> public record, no?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I gather that was the difficulty... "no evidence". While it is,
>>>>>>>>> perhaps, all right to hold up a bunch of paper and shout "here is
>>>>>>>>> evidence" but when you get to court you have to show the papers to
>>>>>>>>> someone and let them read them (:-) and apparently that was the
>>>>>>>>> sticking point... no evidence.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Well, that is not what happened. Every venue was denied on
>>>>>>>> procedural grounds, real or imagined, some flagrant and
>>>>>>>> pathetic:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2021/apr/19/supreme-court-rejects-pennsylvania-2020-election-c/
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Note that under our Constitution, State legislatures (not
>>>>>>>> Governors, nor courts, Clerks or Election Commissions) have
>>>>>>>> absolute and plenary power over the 'times, places and
>>>>>>>> manner' for Federal elections[1].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]In applying the Bill of Rights to the States, the 14th
>>>>>>>> Amendment proscribes statutory discrimination, not relevant
>>>>>>>> to the instant case.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Andrew, this isn't the first time there's been election fraud. Judges and especially judges appointed by the Obama regime and even Republican judges unless presented with the most violently obvious fraud, are far more concerned with maintaining the integrity of the election process. Once the electorate loses faith in the election, civil war ensues. This is what Frank wants. This is why he is willing to say that judges turned down any suggestions that the elections were fraudulent when a blind man could have seen it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When I voted for the second Obama Presidency, a BUS full of illegal aliens pulled up to the poll and they all got off and got in line. They all had pieces of paper with the names they were suppose to vote under. They had to hold these out to the poll workers because most of these illegals were illiterate. This also meant that they couldn't read the directions on how to vote despite them being in English, Spanish and Chinese. So the poll workers had to call in translators who ended up having to go into the booth and almost hold their hands to vote for Obama only and nothing more on a six page ballot.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This last vote was even more crooked. No longer did they use the vote counting machines. After you filled out the ballot you had to drop them into a suitcase with a slot in the top which was then NOT counted on the site but taken somewhere where they could count only what they wanted to count. This is how Larry Elder was beaten by Gavin Loathsome when Elder had an overwhelming majority in the polls.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tommy, you must live in one of the, if not the most corrupt countries
>>>>>> in the world. You falsely accuse Thailand of having a tyrannical
>>>>>> government while living in a country where not only is voter fraud
>>>>>> wide spread but the courts are corrupt in not enforcing the voting
>>>>>> laws. 40, or more cases of voting fraud brought before the courts and
>>>>>> the court refused to hear them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you stand it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2022/01/more_coincidences_in_georgia_some_counties_destroyed_videos_that_could_showcase_ballotharvesting.html
>>>>
>>>> Well, added proof that Tommy resides in a very corrupt and unlawful
>>>> country.... isn't it?
>>>>
>>>
>>> We're among few countries with a lack of in-person voter ID
>>> and recently widespread mail or drop off or internet voting.
>>> There's always finagling but the question is to what extent-
>>> a yet open question.
>>>
>>
>> Yes. Here, for example, everyone (all citizens) have two documents, an
>> Identification Card and a "Residence Registration" both of which are
>> required for most legally binding transactions. If you were to move
>> houses, for example, you would update your residence registration,
>> which also, at election time identifies all legal voters in the
>> district. At voting time you simply go to your voting location and
>> show your I.D. card and the people there look your name up on the
>> resident list and assuming they find your name they hand you a ballot.
>>
>> I'm not sure about vote counting but I'm fairly sure that the various
>> candidates, or their representatives, witness this, although I don't
>> know who actually counts the votes.
>>
>> And, to be honest, in the years that I've lived here I have never
>> heard of "voter fraud". Vote buying, yes, but not fraud, per se.
>> And in reality what is the fundamental difference between, "vote for
>> me and I'll give you 100 baht" and "vote for me and I'll raise minimum
>> wages"?
>>
>
>The American term for that, from the 1800s, is 'honest graft'.

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 1:32:13 AM UTC, John B. wrote:
> And in reality what is the fundamental difference between, "vote for
> me and I'll give you 100 baht" and "vote for me and I'll raise minimum
> wages"?
>
One is bribery and should not be allowed in a decent society, the other is the politician doing his job, especially if a large part of his constituency works for the minimum wage.
>
Since you admit you don't know the difference, Short Johnny, will you explain to us what you were doing civics class?
>
Andre Jute
Education can take the peasant out of the pigshit, but it can't take the pigshit out of the peasant.

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 10:57:36 PM UTC-5, Andre Jute wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 1:32:13 AM UTC, John B. wrote:
> > And in reality what is the fundamental difference between, "vote for
> > me and I'll give you 100 baht" and "vote for me and I'll raise minimum
> > wages"?
> >
> One is bribery and should not be allowed in a decent society, the other is the politician doing his job, especially if a large part of his constituency works for the minimum wage.
> >
> Since you admit you don't know the difference, Short Johnny, will you explain to us what you were doing civics class?
> >
> Andre Jute
> Education can take the peasant out of the pigshit, but it can't take the pigshit out of the peasant.

Which explains why it stinks every time you post here.

On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 8:40:52 PM UTC-5, John B. wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 17:03:32 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 4:42:23 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 13:00:10 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Saturday, January 22, 2022 at 10:19:19 AM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> Incidentally, are you still claiming to be a life member of the
> >> >> Aeolian Yacht Club?
> >> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/-Hmh6pTCz7U/m/e9jy1h-eAAAJ>
> >> >> "Well, at least we get the comedy of your comments that the San
> >> >> Francisco Bay Sea Level has changed when I am a life member of the
> >> >> Aeolian Yacht Club and haven't seen any changes in my time as a
> >> >> member."
> >> >>
> >> >> Also, are you still claiming to be (or have been) and engineer?
> >> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/Evu4lYkxK6M/m/73vmUjIPAgAJ>
> >> >> "Perhaps as an engineer I have always been aware of rim failure."
> >> >> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/8lI8HcCbtYQ/m/GgP_A0aHAgAJ>
> >> >> "Saying that I have never played with magnets as an electronic
> >> >> engineer and designed MANY motor drive designs..."
> >> >>
> >> >> [ 90 minutes wasted. ]
> >> Nice of you to ignore my questions, while expecting answers to your
> >> questions. Oh well.
> >> >What you have "proven" is that you are totally unaware of your own citation
> >> >or you are unable to understand it.
> >> Thank you for giving me only two options. That was very generous of
> >> you. However, you should consider that there is at least one
> >> additional possibility such as I don't have a clue which of my
> >> numerous references which mentions a connection between PWM and TDR or
> >> cable testing. It's not my job to find YOUR references or
> >> substantiate YOUR claims. If you had previously found the alleged
> >> citation, you can find it again for yourself so your audience can
> >> determine if proves your point.
> >> >Tell you what you pin headed idiot - if you believe this to be such
> >> >a waste of your time why are you answering them?
> >> I previously answered that question at least once. Expanding a
> >> little: My purpose here is to expose your lies, expose you fabricated
> >> numbers, fact-check your misinformation, correct your errors,
> >> demonstrate your lack of ability in various technical areas, and ruin
> >> what little is left of your credibility and reputation. Besides the
> >> entertainment value, researching your amazing facts also provides me
> >> with an excuse to research some potentially interesting areas.
> >
> >Gee. all that education and here poor little me has been 100 times as successful as you. But then I'm sure that you did that on purpose because you wanted to be a failure.
> Successful???
>
> Well, from your own posts
>
> (1) you weren't intelligent enough to be able to finish high school
> which anyone that can count to 10 without moving their lips can do.
>
> (2) You joined the Air force and spent 4 years carrying someone's tool
> box
>
> (3) You then started working in civilian jobs and have been unable to
> keep a job more then a short time
>
> (4) You brag about all your money and complain about the cost of
> groceries
>
> (5) You talk about being on Social Security and fixing up second hand
> junk and selling it on ebay
>
> (6) You live in a $50,000 house
>
> (7) You live in a slum where guns are going bang all night and the
> sidewalks are full of illegal immigrants
>
> In short, Tommy, while you talk a lot anyone that actually listens to
> what you say understands that rather then the Famous and Talented Tom
> we are actually hearing Tommy the Failure.
> --
One thing I'm constantly amused by is tomy's repeated claim that he's making ~$12K/mo off his investments - pretty good for a guy who claims to have lost all his money during the obama administration and admits he didn't do so well during the trump administration - yet under biden his investment return is over $140K/year?
Then there's the inconvenient truth that he complains incessantly about the evil commie pinko fascists running california, yet he has the $12K/mo that he can't seem to apply to moving somewhere with a more conservative and affordable climate. Maybe he could move to one of those trump loving retirement communities like they have in florida (https://www.foxnews.com/us/fourth-florida-the-villages-resident-accused-of-voter-fraud)
Besides that, one would think that a retiree with over $12K/mo could drive something better than a kia, and might be able to hire someone to keep his lawn in better shape - you're bringing down your - and your neighbors - property values skippy. (google street view)

On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 12:25:43 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 9:03:28 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > On 1/23/2022 11:26 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > On 1/22/2022 5:53 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >> On 1/22/2022 4:23 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > >>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 15:18:03 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > >>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 1/22/2022 2:36 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
> > >>>>> On Fri, 21 Jan 2022 11:10:24 -0500, Frank Krygowski
> > >>>>> <frkr...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Yes. That "Sparky" actually got in an argument with me
> > >>>>>> about the
> > >>>>>> building's wiring - whether it was the white or black
> > >>>>>> wire that was hot.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Actually, that's a trick question. More than you
> > >>>>> probably wanted to
> > >>>>> know about electrical wiring color coding:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> <https://www.allaboutcircuits.com/textbook/reference/chpt-2/wiring-color-codes/>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> "The US National Electrical Code only mandates white (or
> > >>>>> grey) for the
> > >>>>> neutral power conductor and bare copper, green, or green
> > >>>>> with yellow
> > >>>>> stripe for the protective ground. In principle any other
> > >>>>> colors except
> > >>>>> these may be used for the power conductors."
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Standards are a good thing. Every country should have one:
> > >>>>> <https://www.electricaltechnology.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Electrical-Wiring-Color-Codes-NEC-IEC-Single-Phase-Three-Phase-AC.png>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>
> > >>>> This guy was arguing forcefully that the white wire was
> > >>>> hot. We were
> > >>>> talking about single phase.
> > >>>
> > >>> With a single phase system (2 wires), both white and black
> > >>> are hot.
> > >>> With a two phase system (3 wires), the white is neutral.
> > >>
> > >> OK, two phase system, sorry about that. We were discussing
> > >> one phase of a common two phase system. He was insisting
> > >> that white was hot and black was neutral.
> > >>
> > >> Which probably had something to do with his nickname "Sparky."
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > I'm far from an expert, for example 8 years ago I found that there are
> > > two different formats for '220v service' and had to replace the electric
> > > motor on our air compressor in our new building. (although he used the
> > > same motor controller box) A great example of 'unknown unknowns' and the
> > > travails of us, the uneducated, out in the real world.
> > About education:
> >
> > None of us are educated in everything. And if a person has much
> > initiative at all, at various times they'll embark on projects for which
> > they did not receive formal training.
> >
> > But the smartest ones are the ones who know to look up the information
> > they need; and who know how and where to look.
> >
> > Anecdote: A couple years ago, our dentist hired a new dental technician,
> > whom I met during a regular visit when she began cleaning my teeth. It's
> > hard to converse in that situation, but I soon learned she was married
> > to a guy who graduated from my program.
> >
> > I remembered where he'd gone to work and I asked her if he was still
> > there. She said he was at that same company, but had moved on to
> > completely different projects (not that I can remember the details now).
> >
> > She reported that her husband said "We never learned about this stuff in
> > our program. I had to learn it on my own. But Krygowski taught us how to
> > LEARN."
> And of course you don't even understand that means that they got nothing from you and had to learn self education.

Which was clearly stated with " But Krygowski taught us how to LEARN.", right sparky?