Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> wrote:
>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>
>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>
>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>> receiving.
>
> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> 2.0.

What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
polling, the school buildings are available).

I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.

Rolf

On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:36:56 PM UTC-5, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 6:09 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> > That may be true. It does not rebut the points I made above.
> >
> >> > " So they can apply ahead of time,..."
> >> So what? We used to require a citizen to drag his ass to
> >> the County Clerk's office 30+ days before an election to
> >> register as a voter. I have no problem with that and in
> >> fact it was a better system, less prone to the many and
> >> various anomalies we now suffer.
> >
> > There have always been and will always be anomalies; there
> > seems to be no _real_ evidence that the last election was
> > materially affected by them. (As has been pointed out,
> > Republicans not named "Trump" did rather well.)
> >
> > But if your "30 day in advance" system were to be applied,
> > history hints that it would be applied by Republican
> > dominated states, and in a way that would disadvantage
> > darker folk. 100 years ago, it would have been applied to
> > disadvantage Italians, Poles and other suspicious ethnic
> > groups. Society has broadly decided similar tactics were
> > unethical. One party is now trying to turn back the clock.
> >
> >> > "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> >> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> >> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> >> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it?
> >> Run for Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> >
> > Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I
> > did my time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> >
> > Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a
> > bottle of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting
> > to vote? That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the
> > scorn it's receiving.
> >
> >> in re Japan:
> >>
> >> Although I look favorably to Japan and respect the general
> >> system of Singapore, I could not live comfortably in
> >> either place. For the same reason I haven't been even near
> >> a US airport since the middle of the Clinton
> >> administration; I would likely be arrested for one thing
> >> or another.
> >
> > Well, we differ. I've flown many times, domestically and
> > internationally. My worst hassle was, once, getting two
> > folding bikes packed barely in time to catch a plane.
> >
> I can't overlook that racist crap right here on RBT. You
> should know better. What exactly about a man's skin color
> keeps him from functioning in civil society as any other
> American? My son in law manages, and he's naturalized.
> Christ give it a rest already. Racism reflects poorly on you.

Still not seeing anywhere that Franks comments were rascist. Help me out, Andrew.

> Under five minutes with actual Americans:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrBxZGWCdgs

Cherry picked and biased - UC Berkeley and Harlem are not deep south counties. It's just as easy to pick out and video tape woefully misinformed people on the trump side https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6a_6pwTO_gk

> Besides, facts ought to matter:
> https://www.census.gov/library/stories/2021/04/record-high-turnout-in-2020-general-election.html

Fine - That webpage shows nationwide trends. AFAIU the discussion is about voting laws in the deep south. That's a kunich-worthy tactic Andrew, you're well-above that.

> And a lot of your preconceived racist ideas run smack into
> facts:
>
> https://www.vox.com/2020/11/4/21537966/trump-black-voters-exit-polls

I don't think anyone here is under any delusion that black men (the focus of the article) are a monolithic voting block. All that link shows is that rump made gains amoung black men. I don't see any statement from Frank that smacks of "preconceived racism"
> As I mentioned here recently, the 14th Amendment proscribes
> States from statutorily violating individual civil rights.
> Which is a good thing. And effective enforcement of that has
> broken the democrat party's hold on the South.

You _do_ understand why the Voting Rights act was put in place? It's because the 14th amendment was being deliberately ignored by southern states. The voting rights act ensured it _was_ being enforced. The 'effective enforcement' was nullified by Shelby county v Holder in 2013. Immediately after that southern states rushed to enact laws that were intended to suppress the minority vote. It was so egregious that a federal court struck down a North Carolina law, writing it was designed to target African Americans “with almost surgical precision”. Georgia is tip-toeing much more delicately now, writing laws that make it difficult for democrat voting districts.
>

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 6:42:21 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> >>
> >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> >> receiving.
> >
> > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > 2.0.
> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> polling, the school buildings are available).
>
> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>
> Rolf

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 6:42:21 AM UTC-5, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> >>
> >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> >> receiving.
> >
> > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > 2.0.
> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> polling, the school buildings are available).
>
> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.

The issue with limited polling sites isn't exactly endemic here in the US, largely limited to more rural areas with limited resources, though states like georgia are making their best attempt to link it to party affiliation.
https://www.npr.org/2020/10/17/924527679/why-do-nonwhite-georgia-voters-have-to-wait-in-line-for-hours-too-few-polling-pl

>
> Rolf

On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:

<snip>

> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it and illegal
> aliens?  Illegal entry is a crime under long-standing Statues supporting
> Article 1 Section 8.

There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.

Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal Government in
order to benefit businesses that need cheap labor. The states bear most
of the burden for providing services like health care and education, the
businesses benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects SSI
and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify for those
programs
<https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.

Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people than any
other president. Trump made a big deal about how he would deport
millions of illegal aliens but he did not follow through because doing
so would have negatively affected many of his financial backers.

What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal immigration. Legal
immigrants have little attraction for Trump Republicans. Wage theft is
more difficult from legal immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote
Democratic when they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for
federal assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal immigrants will
qualify for benefits from those programs.

We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal immigration
in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have driven up wages and prices
for good and services have increased as a result. Income has gone up as
a result of the labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of
higher income, has wiped out most of those gains.

From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail price of bike
products was up 22%
<https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and the falling
value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic policies.

On 1/25/2022 4:26 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.01.2022 um 03:09 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
>>
>> As usual, I'm somewhat curious about the rules other countries use. On
>> many matters, examining other practices gives insight into what works
>> better or worse.
>
> In the European Union, you need to have the correct nationality to vote
> in a national election but non-national residents are allowed to vote in
> European Elections and in local elections.
>
> In German Cities, there is an additional vote of non-EU residents for a
> "foreigners council" (a consulting body to the City Council).

Rolf, what are the requirements for proof of identity?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/25/2022 6:39 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> Technical support, writing tech manuals, reference manuals, and sales
>> brochures is not design engineering.
>
> Not as a primary function. I'm not defending sparky here bu I've done a _ton_ of technical writing in my career, including user manuals (though later edited by either tech pubs or marcom people).

Of course my teaching career had me doing tons of technical writing,
most of it for student consumption. But my time in industry also
generated lots of technical writing, the most extensive being detailed
operation and diagnostic manuals to help keep million dollar robotic
assembly lines running.

When a person is responsibly employed, that person does whatever is
required for the job. But strictly speaking, Jeff is right: tech writing
is not design engineering.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:39:37 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > Technical support, writing tech manuals, reference manuals, and sales
> > brochures is not design engineering.
> Not as a primary function. I'm not defending sparky here bu I've done a _ton_ of technical writing in my career, including user manuals (though later edited by either tech pubs or marcom people).
> > I think I see the problem. You are claiming to have worked for NASA.
> > You didn't. Your paycheck was issued by Datum or Tality, not NASA.
> > You worked for and were employed by Datum or Tality, not NASA. That's
> > probably why you show Datum and Tality on your resume, not NASA. It
> > would be like me claiming to have worked for the US Coast Guard
> > because we "worked with them" on three of my marine radio designs.
> Same here, I was part of a design enhancement project replacing the IF section for an interferometry down-converter that NASA used in their radio astronomy telescopes. The original schematics had approval markings from JPL for some reason. I have that on my resume, but it's under the company I worked for at the time. Not JPL or NASA.

Nobody needs your lies. Real engineers don't feel the need to hide their identity. Even Frank hasn't stooped that low.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > wrote:
> >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >
> >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> >>
> >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> >> receiving.
> >
> > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > 2.0.
> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> polling, the school buildings are available).
>
> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.

This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. And yet California has made a virtual habit of closing all but single central sites and eliminating the actual vote counting machines (which contrary to some sources were not connected to the Internet or prone to hacking) and putting the ballots into suitcases to be counted well out of sight of the electorate.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:20:31 AM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 6:39 AM, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> Technical support, writing tech manuals, reference manuals, and sales
> >> brochures is not design engineering.
> >
> > Not as a primary function. I'm not defending sparky here bu I've done a _ton_ of technical writing in my career, including user manuals (though later edited by either tech pubs or marcom people).
> Of course my teaching career had me doing tons of technical writing,
> most of it for student consumption. But my time in industry also
> generated lots of technical writing, the most extensive being detailed
> operation and diagnostic manuals to help keep million dollar robotic
> assembly lines running.
>
> When a person is responsibly employed, that person does whatever is
> required for the job. But strictly speaking, Jeff is right: tech writing
> is not design engineering.

In real industry and contrary to your "experience" the project leader would only write a technical outline and manuals etc. were written as they should be, by a technical writer who made a career out of accurate and easy to read manuals.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:30:48 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:39:37 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:25:57 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > > Technical support, writing tech manuals, reference manuals, and sales
> > > brochures is not design engineering.
> > Not as a primary function. I'm not defending sparky here bu I've done a _ton_ of technical writing in my career, including user manuals (though later edited by either tech pubs or marcom people).
> > > I think I see the problem. You are claiming to have worked for NASA.
> > > You didn't. Your paycheck was issued by Datum or Tality, not NASA.
> > > You worked for and were employed by Datum or Tality, not NASA. That's
> > > probably why you show Datum and Tality on your resume, not NASA. It
> > > would be like me claiming to have worked for the US Coast Guard
> > > because we "worked with them" on three of my marine radio designs.
> > Same here, I was part of a design enhancement project replacing the IF section for an interferometry down-converter that NASA used in their radio astronomy telescopes. The original schematics had approval markings from JPL for some reason. I have that on my resume, but it's under the company I worked for at the time. Not JPL or NASA.
> Nobody needs your lies. Real engineers don't feel the need to hide their identity. Even Frank hasn't stooped that low.
oh, what's the matter sparky, did I use too many big words in that post for you?
Speaking of lying, tell us again how PWM is used to test cables and 'light lines' is a common term for fiber optics. After that you can regale us with stories of how there were no vietnam war protests before nixon, how the north vietnamese actually surrendered to the US, and how the north lost every civil war battle before the emancipation proclamation. Then close off your episode of Tommys Tall Tales with your unlisted work experience at NASA, and Livermore and Berkleys, cumlinating with how the CDC and FDA stopped using the PCR test for covid because you told them to stop, and how you're feeding covid information to Ran Paul.

So many tommy stories, so little time!

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > > wrote:
> > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > >
> > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> > >>
> > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> > >> receiving.
> > >
> > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > > 2.0.
> > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> > polling, the school buildings are available).
> >
> > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
> This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.

The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.

Am 25.01.2022 um 17:13 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
> On 1/25/2022 4:26 AM, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 25.01.2022 um 03:09 schrieb Frank Krygowski:
>>>
>>> As usual, I'm somewhat curious about the rules other countries use.
>>> On many matters, examining other practices gives insight into what
>>> works better or worse.
>>
>> In the European Union, you need to have the correct nationality to
>> vote in a national election but non-national residents are allowed to
>> vote in European Elections and in local elections.
>>
>> In German Cities, there is an additional vote of non-EU residents for a
>> "foreigners council" (a consulting body to the City Council).
>
> Rolf, what are the requirements for proof of identity?

In Germany (and most EU countries), we have an official register of
residence (you must register with the city within a month of moving into
a house/flat), which then doubles up as voters' register.
The first time you register in Germany, you need a birth certificate,
passport, work permit or your naturalisation papers; when moving within
Germany, the state ID specifying wour previous residence is sufficient
(they'll double check the data with the previous city).

UK and probably Eire are similar to USA where an informal ID like bank
account or old phone bill might be sufficient for many purposes (I
believe I was allowed to register for voting in Euorpean elections in
the early 1990's with my German passport, my UK bank statement plus a
form confirming that I would not vote for these elections in Germany).

Rolf

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > > > wrote:
> > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > >
> > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> > > >>
> > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> > > >> receiving.
> > > >
> > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > > > 2.0.
> > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> > > polling, the school buildings are available).
> > >
> > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
> > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
> The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.

I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.

5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.

Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> > > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> > > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> > > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> > > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> > > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> > > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> > > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> > > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> > > > >> receiving.
> > > > >
> > > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > > > > 2.0.
> > > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> > > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> > > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> > > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> > > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> > > > polling, the school buildings are available).
> > > >
> > > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> > > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
> > > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
> > The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.
> I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.

DHS has no oversight authority over state policies for mail-in ballots, you stupid ignorant lying little twit.

> 5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
> 5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
> 5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
> 5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.
>
> Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:

Cybersecurity policies have absolutely nothing to do with polling location access, you stupid ignorant lying little twit. You wrote "This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. " then you post some completely unrelated verbiage from DHS about cybersecurity.

Shut the fuck up you ignorant baboon.

On 1/25/2022 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
> On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it
>> and illegal aliens? Illegal entry is a crime under
>> long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8.
>
> There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.
>
> Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal
> Government in order to benefit businesses that need cheap
> labor. The states bear most of the burden for providing
> services like health care and education, the businesses
> benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects
> SSI and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify
> for those programs
> <https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.
>
>
> Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people
> than any other president. Trump made a big deal about how he
> would deport millions of illegal aliens but he did not
> follow through because doing so would have negatively
> affected many of his financial backers.
>
> What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal
> immigration. Legal immigrants have little attraction for
> Trump Republicans. Wage theft is more difficult from legal
> immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote Democratic when
> they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for federal
> assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
> Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal
> immigrants will qualify for benefits from those programs.
>
> We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal
> immigration in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have
> driven up wages and prices for good and services have
> increased as a result. Income has gone up as a result of the
> labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of higher
> income, has wiped out most of those gains.
>
> From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail
> price of bike products was up 22%
> <https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
> though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and
> the falling value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic
> policies.
>

I wrote:

>> "a crime under long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8."

Statutes are after the Constitution and support or limit
principles in the founding document.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On 1/25/2022 10:34 AM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
>>> On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
>>> wrote:
>>>> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
>>>>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
>>>>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
>>>>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
>>>>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
>>>> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
>>>> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
>>>>
>>>> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
>>>> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
>>>> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
>>>> receiving.
>>>
>>> +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
>>> on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
>>> counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
>>> polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
>>> several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
>>> difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
>>> travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
>>> non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
>>> 2.0.
>> What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
>> US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
>> order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
>> booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
>> sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
>> polling, the school buildings are available).
>>
>> I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
>> queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
>
> This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. And yet California has made a virtual habit of closing all but single central sites and eliminating the actual vote counting machines (which contrary to some sources were not connected to the Internet or prone to hacking) and putting the ballots into suitcases to be counted well out of sight of the electorate.
>

For egregious there's always Milwaukee County:

https://apnews.com/article/pandemics-voting-milwaukee-virus-outbreak-election-2020-a30427f7dbda4dfaa06d961e50f90561

Last minute closure of 182 out of 187 polling places. Wonder
if that affected turnout? Just another mystery.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> > > > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> > > > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> > > > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> > > > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> > > > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> > > > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> > > > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> > > > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> > > > > >> receiving.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > > > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > > > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > > > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > > > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > > > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > > > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > > > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > > > > > 2.0.
> > > > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> > > > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> > > > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> > > > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> > > > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> > > > > polling, the school buildings are available).
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> > > > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
> > > > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
> > > The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.
> > I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security.. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.
> DHS has no oversight authority over state policies for mail-in ballots, you stupid ignorant lying little twit.
> > 5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
> > 5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
> > 5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
> > 5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.
> >
> > Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:
> Cybersecurity policies have absolutely nothing to do with polling location access, you stupid ignorant lying little twit. You wrote "This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. " then you post some completely unrelated verbiage from DHS about cybersecurity.
>
> Shut the fuck up you ignorant baboon.

Gee, it must really hurt you to be proven wrong time after time after time. Perhaps you can cry into your pillow so that fewer people notice it.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:43:50 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
> > On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> >> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it
> >> and illegal aliens?Ā Illegal entry is a crime under
> >> long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8.
> >
> > There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.
> >
> > Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal
> > Government in order to benefit businesses that need cheap
> > labor. The states bear most of the burden for providing
> > services like health care and education, the businesses
> > benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects
> > SSI and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify
> > for those programs
> > <https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.
> >
> >
> > Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people
> > than any other president. Trump made a big deal about how he
> > would deport millions of illegal aliens but he did not
> > follow through because doing so would have negatively
> > affected many of his financial backers.
> >
> > What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal
> > immigration. Legal immigrants have little attraction for
> > Trump Republicans. Wage theft is more difficult from legal
> > immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote Democratic when
> > they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for federal
> > assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
> > Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal
> > immigrants will qualify for benefits from those programs.
> >
> > We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal
> > immigration in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have
> > driven up wages and prices for good and services have
> > increased as a result. Income has gone up as a result of the
> > labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of higher
> > income, has wiped out most of those gains.
> >
> > From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail
> > price of bike products was up 22%
> > <https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
> > though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and
> > the falling value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic
> > policies.
> >
> I wrote:
>
> >> "a crime under long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8."
> Statutes are after the Constitution and support or limit
> principles in the founding document.

The Federal Government must of needs guarantee fair elections regardless of the election system that each state choses. This is to prevent what Gavin Loathsome is presently doing - mass mailings of ballots not to registered voters but to any address.

On 1/25/2022 12:43 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it
>>> and illegal aliens?  Illegal entry is a crime under
>>> long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8.
>>
>> There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.
>>
>> Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal
>> Government in order to benefit businesses that need cheap
>> labor. The states bear most of the burden for providing
>> services like health care and education, the businesses
>> benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects
>> SSI and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify
>> for those programs
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people
>> than any other president. Trump made a big deal about how he
>> would deport millions of illegal aliens but he did not
>> follow through because doing so would have negatively
>> affected many of his financial backers.
>>
>> What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal
>> immigration. Legal immigrants have little attraction for
>> Trump Republicans. Wage theft is more difficult from legal
>> immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote Democratic when
>> they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for federal
>> assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
>> Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal
>> immigrants will qualify for benefits from those programs.
>>
>> We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal
>> immigration in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have
>> driven up wages and prices for good and services have
>> increased as a result. Income has gone up as a result of the
>> labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of higher
>> income, has wiped out most of those gains.
>>
>>  From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail
>> price of bike products was up 22%
>> <https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
>>
>> though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and
>> the falling value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic
>> policies.
>>
>
> I wrote:
>
>>> "a crime under long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8."
>
> Statutes are after the Constitution and support or limit principles in
> the founding document.

Scharf was reacting to a typo.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 1/25/2022 9:43 AM, AMuzi wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
>> On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>
>> <snip>
>>
>>> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it
>>> and illegal aliens?  Illegal entry is a crime under
>>> long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8.
>>
>> There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.
>>
>> Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal
>> Government in order to benefit businesses that need cheap
>> labor. The states bear most of the burden for providing
>> services like health care and education, the businesses
>> benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects
>> SSI and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify
>> for those programs
>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.
>>
>>
>>
>> Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people
>> than any other president. Trump made a big deal about how he
>> would deport millions of illegal aliens but he did not
>> follow through because doing so would have negatively
>> affected many of his financial backers.
>>
>> What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal
>> immigration. Legal immigrants have little attraction for
>> Trump Republicans. Wage theft is more difficult from legal
>> immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote Democratic when
>> they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for federal
>> assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
>> Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal
>> immigrants will qualify for benefits from those programs.
>>
>> We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal
>> immigration in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have
>> driven up wages and prices for good and services have
>> increased as a result. Income has gone up as a result of the
>> labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of higher
>> income, has wiped out most of those gains.
>>
>>  From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail
>> price of bike products was up 22%
>> <https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
>>
>> though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and
>> the falling value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic
>> policies.
>>
>
> I wrote:
>
>>> "a crime under long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8."
>
> Statutes are after the Constitution and support or limit principles in
> the founding document.

I see. So you meant statutes, not statues as you originally stated.

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 12:53:44 PM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 9:11:28 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:54:49 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 8:45:10 AM UTC-8, funkma...@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 11:34:03 AM UTC-5, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > > > On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 3:42:21 AM UTC-8, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> > > > > > Am 25.01.2022 um 12:31 schrieb funkma...@hotmail.com:
> > > > > > > On Monday, January 24, 2022 at 7:09:31 PM UTC-5, Frank Krygowski
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >> On 1/24/2022 4:06 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > > > > > >>> On 1/24/2022 2:21 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >>>> "(oh, and NOT be handed a bottle of water!)"
> > > > > > >>> The currently publicized Statute is in direct response to
> > > > > > >>> flagrant electioneering in that State November 2020. And
> > > > > > >>> therefore, it's popular with voters. You don't like it? Run for
> > > > > > >>> Georgia Assembly or State Senate.
> > > > > > >> Andrew, that's an attempt to shut down discussion. Sorry, I did my
> > > > > > >> time in the Deep South. I'll not return.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Whatever the motivation, you'd prohibit giving a person a bottle
> > > > > > >> of water to someone sweltering in a long line waiting to vote?
> > > > > > >> That's inhumane and ludicrous. It deserves the scorn it's
> > > > > > >> receiving.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > +1, and I'll add that Georgia is shutting down polling places based
> > > > > > > on voting tendencies, rather than population, such that large
> > > > > > > counties with majority democratic voting bases are reduced to one
> > > > > > > polling site, where as smaller more conservative counties have
> > > > > > > several. The results are predictable and intentional - make it
> > > > > > > difficult for voters who tend to vote democratic, forcing them to
> > > > > > > travel long distances and wait in long lines, then prohibit
> > > > > > > non-partisan service such as handing out water on a hot day. Jim crow
> > > > > > > 2.0.
> > > > > > What I'm extremely surprised is the low number of polling sites in the
> > > > > > US. In Germany (no early voting, only postal ballots), we have on the
> > > > > > order of one polling booth per 1,500 or 2,000 voters and maybe 5 polling
> > > > > > booths per polling site (we typically use primary schools as polling
> > > > > > sites except in small villages without primary school - due to Sunday
> > > > > > polling, the school buildings are available).
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd reckon anything less than one polling site per town and any expected
> > > > > > queue over an hour is a kind of voter supression.
> > > > > This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it.
> > > > The federal government has no control over local polling laws you stupid ignorant lying little twit. Shut the fuck up tommy.
> > > I wonder if there is ever a day when you can actually understand anything? Election integrity is guaranteed by the Department of Homeland security. This means that they are supposed to prevent things like Gavin Loathsome's mass mailings of ballots but without a court decision they cannot presently act. But it is all in the works.
> > DHS has no oversight authority over state policies for mail-in ballots, you stupid ignorant lying little twit.
> > > 5.1 Election systems should continue to be considered as U.S. Department of Homeland Security–designated critical infrastructure.
> > > 5.2 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission and U.S. Department of Homeland Security should continue to develop and maintain a detailed set of cybersecurity best practices for state and local election officials. Election system vendors and state and local election officials should incorporate these best practices into their operations.
> > > 5.3 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor the expenditure of funds made available to the states for election security through the 2018 omnibus appropriations bill to ensure that the funds enhance security practices and do not simply replace local dollars with federal support for ongoing activities.15 The U.S. Election Assistance Commission should closely monitor any future federal funding designated to enhance election security.
> > > 5.4 Congress should provide funding for state and local governments to improve their cybersecurity capabilities on an ongoing basis.
> > >
> > > Tell us flunky, why do you know so much that simply isn't so?:
> > Cybersecurity policies have absolutely nothing to do with polling location access, you stupid ignorant lying little twit. You wrote "This all occurred first under Obama and then Biden. They close down polls and then say that it is Republicans that are doing it. " then you post some completely unrelated verbiage from DHS about cybersecurity.
> >
> > Shut the fuck up you ignorant baboon.
> Gee, it must really hurt you to be proven wrong time after time after time. Perhaps you can cry into your pillow so that fewer people notice it.

I wouldn't know tommy, constantly being proven wrong is your shtick. Just to prove the point, DHS cyber security policies have nothing to do with state laws regarding mail-in ballots and polling place accessibility. If you think DHS does have authority in those areas, post the federal laws stating such. You posted verbiage about cyber security, not polling place access or mail in ballots. Gawd you're fucking stupid. shut the fuck up.

On 1/25/2022 12:14 PM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 1/25/2022 12:43 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>> On 1/25/2022 10:04 AM, sms wrote:
>>> On 1/24/2022 6:18 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>>> What's the connection to our Constitution as we know it
>>>> and illegal aliens? Illegal entry is a crime under
>>>> long-standing Statues supporting Article 1 Section 8.
>>>
>>> There are no statues in the constitution. Check a museum.
>>>
>>> Illegal entry has long been a wink-wink by the Federal
>>> Government in order to benefit businesses that need cheap
>>> labor. The states bear most of the burden for providing
>>> services like health care and education, the businesses
>>> benefit from cheap labor, and federal government collects
>>> SSI and Medicare taxes from workers that will never qualify
>>> for those programs
>>> <https://www.nytimes.com/2005/04/05/business/illegal-immigrants-are-bolstering-social-security-with-billions.html>.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Obama was criticized by the left for deporting more people
>>> than any other president. Trump made a big deal about how he
>>> would deport millions of illegal aliens but he did not
>>> follow through because doing so would have negatively
>>> affected many of his financial backers.
>>>
>>> What Trump did accomplish was to sharply reduce legal
>>> immigration. Legal immigrants have little attraction for
>>> Trump Republicans. Wage theft is more difficult from legal
>>> immigrants. Legal immigrants tend to vote Democratic when
>>> they become citizens. Legal immigrants qualify for federal
>>> assistance programs. Legal immigrants pay into Medicare and
>>> Social Security just like illegal immigrants, but legal
>>> immigrants will qualify for benefits from those programs.
>>>
>>> We are now seeing one of the side-effects of reducing legal
>>> immigration in terms of inflation. Labor shortages have
>>> driven up wages and prices for good and services have
>>> increased as a result. Income has gone up as a result of the
>>> labor shortage but inflation, which is a result of higher
>>> income, has wiped out most of those gains.
>>>
>>> Â From September 2019 to September2020, the average retail
>>> price of bike products was up 22%
>>> <https://www.bicycleretailer.com/international/2021/02/05/take-hike-bike-prices-expected-go-again>
>>>
>>> though much of this increase was due to Trump's tariffs and
>>> the falling value of the dollar caused by Trump's economic
>>> policies.
>>>
>>
>> I wrote:
>>
>>>> "a crime under long-standing Statues supporting Article
>>>> 1 Section 8."
>>
>> Statutes are after the Constitution and support or limit
>> principles in the founding document.
>
> Scharf was reacting to a typo.
>
>

d'oh. Thank you I missed that twice (!)

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On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> Part of the exercises was to
> reduce my vocabulary to the level of a 10(?) year old. By the time I
> wrote the manual, the vocabulary reduction exercises were a long
> forgotten nightmare.

That's too bad, something like that might help with trying to get tommy understand things....

On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 4:30:09 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:40:28 -0800 (PST), "funkma...@hotmail.com"
> <funkma...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 2:51:54 PM UTC-5, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> Part of the exercises was to
> >> reduce my vocabulary to the level of a 10(?) year old. By the time I
> >> wrote the manual, the vocabulary reduction exercises were a long
> >> forgotten nightmare.
>
> >That's too bad, something like that might help with trying to get tommy understand things....
> It won't help Tom. He probably knows a substantial number of words,
> probably 30,000 or more, many of which are technical:
> <http://testyourvocab.com/blog/2011-07-25-New-results-for-native-speakers>
> Where he has problems is understanding what they mean (definition) and
> how the device works and is used. In other words, a reading
> comprehension problem. Reducing my vocabulary isn't going to help him
> understand how the world works.
> --

True, he _has_ been known to post the occasional lucid message...factually incorrect messages, but lucid nonetheless.