rOn Tue, 1 Feb 2022 19:26:15 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/1/2022 3:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
>>
>> Frank, why do you insist on making false claims like some sort of sock puppet operated by Obama? The claim IS that the vaccines are safe and effective. 97% effective within 26 days of the second shot. The fact are that it appears to be effective with only 22% of the population with those who have had their full vaccinations not only catching the illness but passing it on. If covid-19 were actually a dangerous disease, the true number of deaths in the US would be incredible.
>
>Well over 880,000 deaths is astonishing.
>
>https://www.statista.com/statistics/1101932/coronavirus-covid19-cases-and-deaths-number-us-americans/
>
>But I'm not surprised you find it incredible. It's hard for people to
>give credence to information that proves their own world view is bonkers.

From 1775 until 2019 the U.S. has had some 666,441 deaths in combat
and, as of February 02, 2022, 02:00 GMT, the U.S. has had some 913,924
due to the Covid virus. The chart seems to show that the first
fatality was 15 Feb 2020 so about 2 years or something like 450,000 a
year. The worst war (WW II) the U.S. has fought had combat deaths of
something like 72,000 a year. Certainly, deaths from the virus or
combat are not spread evenly over the entire span of years but still
the numbers are indicative of the severity of the two causes.
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 20:17:48 -0500, Frank Krygowski
<frkrygow@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On 2/1/2022 7:28 PM, John B. wrote:
>> On Tue, 01 Feb 2022 12:19:30 -0600, AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2/1/2022 11:18 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2022 3:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The mRNA shot is not a vaccine, in that it doesn't prevent
>>>>> repeated contracting or spread.
>>>>
>>>> That's a bad attempt at a semantic defense. Nothing in the
>>>> definition of "vaccine" demands what you claim.
>>>>
>>>>> It does reduce mortality, which is a good thing. That
>>>>> effect is temporary. And, oh by the way, side effects are
>>>>> significant in some groups:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.physiciansweekly.com/vaers-data-confirm-myocarditis-risk-after-mrna-vaccine/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/11/army-surgeon-says-military-ignored-her-warnings-over-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I tend to think in terms of advantages vs. disadvantages,
>>>> benefits vs. detriments.
>>>>
>>>> The disadvantages you allude to are extremely rare. (surely
>>>> you can work out the number of incidents per million?) The
>>>> benefits are vastly greater.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Deleterious side effects are rare depending on subsets and
>>> beneficent effects depend on subsets as well.
>>>
>>> For a guy who's 85 and obese, makes sense. For a fit 25 year
>>> old not so much. Other factors enter as well.
>>
>> I suggest that the determining factor might better be "Does it do any
>> harm"?
>
>In practice, that doesn't work. Every medicine and medical procedure
>causes some amount of harm to some subset of those being treated. The
>data sheets we get with our prescription medications spell those out,
>often in some detail.

Yes, certainly, but if one is discussing a catastrophe then one has to
accept that there will be some losses. I probably should have worded
my comment to reflect that.

>I recall being concerned about one particular side effect of one
>particular prescription my physician was prescribing. (He's a bit unique
>in that he was a pharmacist before getting his medical degree, which
>makes him more knowledgeable about pharmaceuticals than the typical
>doctor.) Anyway, he was aware of the side effect but said "But look at
>the percentages!" And indeed, the data showed the side effect that
>worried me had roughly a one percent chance of occurring. I accepted the
>prescription.
>
Yes and if you read the cover sheet that comes with a box of almost
any medicine you will note possible "side effects" some of which are
quite severe.

>As I've said, I'm a big fan of normal curves, intelligently applied. "Do
>no harm" would replace the normal curve with some sort of binary
>"yes/no" test. That doesn't work in the real world.

--
Cheers,

John B.

AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:

> On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>
>>> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
>>> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
>>> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
>>> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
>>> others.
>>
>> You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
>> Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
>>
>> AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
>> vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
>> vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
>> imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
>> not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
>>
>> Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
>> instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
>>
>
> Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note that there
> are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with measles vaccine. Every
> year, very predictable.
>
> Then again I knew a boy who suffered extended high fevers with measles
> and was brain damaged. Others were deafened. I'm not at all opposed to
> vaccines in general.

It's that whole "benefits vs detriments" thing. Vaccination always
involves some cases that don't work out well, and result in temporary or
permanent injury, or death. Usually those cases are rare, so it's
rational to balance them against the benefits. For measles, the
benefits are considerable. On the other hand, COVID vaccination of
children results in no benefit whatsoever. I'm sure there are logical
reasons, either political or legal, for trying to mandate these
vaccinations. There is no medical justification.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:23:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 01 Feb 2022 16:08:54 -0800, Jeff Liebermann <je...@cruzio.com>
> wrote:
> >On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 14:06:28 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >>I'm still chuckling how you tried to find my name on the NASA employees list when I worked for a subcontractor at the time and said so. You are really slow and getting worse.
>
> >I did try to find your name on a NASA employees list but gave up when
> >I discovered that NASA had outsourced it's former employee
> >information:
> >"NASA Removes Public Access To Its Online Employee Directory (Update)"
> ><http://nasawatch.com/archives/2020/11/nasa-removes-pu.html>
> >Once I determined that your worked for a sub-contractor and not for
> >NASA, I was not going to confirm your NASA employment in this manner.
> >The sub-contractor you mentioned was Etec Labs, possibly in Pittsburg
> >CA, which does not appear on your online resume.
> ><https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
> >Note that there's very little room in your timeline for additional
> >employers.
> Sorry, I mixed up the sub-contractors. From your posting at:
> <https://groups.google.com/g/rec.bicycles.tech/c/9WEuMylDquc/m/Guv7NHdsAwAJ>
> "The poison gas detector for the military was subcontracted to ETEC
> and the communications converter card for NASA was subcontracted to
> Datum or Tality."
>
> You allegedly worked on a poison gas detector for ETEC which was
> sub-contracted to the military, which does NOT appear on your resume.
>
> You worked for either Datum or Tality on a "communications converter
> card" which was subcontracted to NASA. The only mention of NASA is
> under Tality, apparently as a firmware programmer and in support:
> "Provided technical support to important customers such as NASA
> International Space Station Project and other NASA projects, Motorola,
> Ericsson Telephone, Lockheed Aerospace and others. Wrote technical
> manuals, reference manuals, corrected sales brochures, etc."
>
> [ Wasted 15 minutes fixing my mistake ]

Why do you feel the need to "waste" your time fixing your own mistake that is formed on a pure lie on your behalf? No one cares. Tell us all how much you're worth? As a nobody with nothing and a cripple why are you even on this group? Do you find Flunky sexually attractive and so you feel a drive to support his idiocy?

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:30:45 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
> >>> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
> >>> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
> >>> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
> >>> others.
> >>
> >> You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
> >> Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
> >>
> >> AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
> >> vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
> >> vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
> >> imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
> >> not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
> >>
> >> Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
> >> instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
> >>
> >
> > Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note that there
> > are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with measles vaccine. Every
> > year, very predictable.
> And in general, people are very hard at processing infinitesmal
> probabilities of infinitely bad outcomes.

In other words, you couldn't care less about children murdered by pharmaceutical companies.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:18:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >If riding is dangerous for you now there's no shame in not riding. But commenting authoritatively in the bicycles.tech group should be. But that doesn't seem to stop you.
>
>
> >Etec had an office and still does as far as I know at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.
> I managed to find something on Bloomberg in the Healthcare sector:
> <https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0882696D:US>
> ETEC LABS Inc. provides electric transportation
> solutions. The Company offers testing, evaluation,
> research, and analysis services for advanced
> transportation. ETEC LABS markets to utilities,
> governments, vehicle OEMs, universities, researchers,
> and testing organizations throughout the United States.
>
> If they have an office somewhere, it's well hidden.
> >If you don't know this why are you commenting on it?
> Because you lied and claimed you worked for NASA when you actually
> worked for ETEC, a sub-contractor. You were nice enough to supply the
> sub-contractors name so I tried to determine who was ETEC and what
> they did.
>
> However, there's a problem here. I screwed up and got ETEC mixed up
> with Datum/Tality. You allegedly worked for ETEC on a poison gas
> detector, and for Datum on a NASA "communications converter card". If
> that's true, then what would ETEC be doing with an office in Lawrence
> Livermore Laboratories?
> >precisely why should I have any desire to know every detail possible about a company aside from whether their paychecks bounce or not?
> That might explain why you never got very far with any of your
> employers.
> >I'm getting very tired of your ignorance.
> I've been tired of your lies and fabrications for quite some time.

Edward Teller Education Center (ETEC) at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. Perhaps you can find another company with a similar name. But you can continue on as the crippled fool you continue to show yourself as.

On Wed, 02 Feb 2022 14:57:30 -0500, Radey Shouman
<shouman@comcast.net> wrote:

>AMuzi <am@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
>> On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>> On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
>>>> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
>>>> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
>>>> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
>>>> others.
>>>
>>> You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
>>> Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
>>>
>>> AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
>>> vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
>>> vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
>>> imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
>>> not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
>>>
>>> Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
>>> instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
>>>
>>
>> Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note that there
>> are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with measles vaccine. Every
>> year, very predictable.
>>
>> Then again I knew a boy who suffered extended high fevers with measles
>> and was brain damaged. Others were deafened. I'm not at all opposed to
>> vaccines in general.
>
>It's that whole "benefits vs detriments" thing. Vaccination always
>involves some cases that don't work out well, and result in temporary or
>permanent injury, or death. Usually those cases are rare, so it's
>rational to balance them against the benefits. For measles, the
>benefits are considerable. On the other hand, COVID vaccination of
>children results in no benefit whatsoever. I'm sure there are logical
>reasons, either political or legal, for trying to mandate these
>vaccinations. There is no medical justification.

Well the Mayo Clinic reckons that immunization of kids is a good
thing, is for no other reason then if does tend to limit the spread of
the disease.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/covid-19-vaccines-for-kids/art-20513332#if-children
"If children don't frequently experience severe illness with COVID-19,
why do they need a COVID-19 vaccine?

A COVID-19 vaccine can prevent your child from getting and spreading
the virus that causes COVID-19.
If your child gets COVID-19, a COVID-19 vaccine could prevent him or
her from becoming severely ill or experiencing short-term or long-term
complications. Children with other health conditions, such as obesity,
diabetes and asthma, might be at higher risk of serious illness with
COVID-19."
--
Cheers,

John B.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 11:57:34 AM UTC-8, Radey Shouman wrote:
> AMuzi <a...@yellowjersey.org> writes:
>
> > On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
> >>> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
> >>> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
> >>> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
> >>> others.
> >>
> >> You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
> >> Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
> >>
> >> AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
> >> vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
> >> vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
> >> imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
> >> not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
> >>
> >> Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
> >> instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
> >>
> >
> > Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note that there
> > are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with measles vaccine. Every
> > year, very predictable.
> >
> > Then again I knew a boy who suffered extended high fevers with measles
> > and was brain damaged. Others were deafened. I'm not at all opposed to
> > vaccines in general.
> It's that whole "benefits vs detriments" thing. Vaccination always
> involves some cases that don't work out well, and result in temporary or
> permanent injury, or death. Usually those cases are rare, so it's
> rational to balance them against the benefits. For measles, the
> benefits are considerable. On the other hand, COVID vaccination of
> children results in no benefit whatsoever. I'm sure there are logical
> reasons, either political or legal, for trying to mandate these
> vaccinations. There is no medical justification.

Radey, you are correct. But as I've shown here, people were NOT being killed from covid-19, they were dying from normal and natural causes and may have tested positive of the SARS-Cov-2 virus since the tests were entirely unreliable. I've shown you the charts what the CDC stopped updating because they too clearly showed what was going on. So it is somewhat understandable to suffer deaths from a tiny percentage of people from vaccines if they were to stop a larger percentage of deaths from a disease. But we can't even say that the disease even exists at this point and only 0.8% of the population AT MOST died from covid-19 and they were all well over the average age of death and they all had serious circulatory diseases that were so bad that they weren't expected to live out the year.

The worst cases in the EU were in northeastern Italy. These cases were ALL in retirement homes and that area contains some of the oldest people in Europe. Plus adjacent to that area was large populations of Chinese foreign workers building steel frame commercial buildings.

We have absolutely no idea of all of the particulars. But I have a very bad feeling about claiming a virus that has never been precisely identified.

Here is that CDC chart that they stopped updating. You can see that rocket-like growth of covid-19. But you can see no growth in total numbers of deaths and they don't mention that they were paying medical facilities and even private doctors $50,000 apiece to report covid-19 deaths. They only recently stopped allowing the entirely unreliable PCR tests as payable proof of covid-19.

Remember that it can take up to 2 weeks for deaths to be reported. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/04102020/nchs-data.html

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:57:29 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:32:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:18:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If riding is dangerous for you now there's no shame in not riding. But commenting authoritatively in the bicycles.tech group should be. But that doesn't seem to stop you.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Etec had an office and still does as far as I know at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.
> >> I managed to find something on Bloomberg in the Healthcare sector:
> >> <https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0882696D:US>
> >> ETEC LABS Inc. provides electric transportation
> >> solutions. The Company offers testing, evaluation,
> >> research, and analysis services for advanced
> >> transportation. ETEC LABS markets to utilities,
> >> governments, vehicle OEMs, universities, researchers,
> >> and testing organizations throughout the United States.
> >>
> >> If they have an office somewhere, it's well hidden.
> >> >If you don't know this why are you commenting on it?
> >> Because you lied and claimed you worked for NASA when you actually
> >> worked for ETEC, a sub-contractor. You were nice enough to supply the
> >> sub-contractors name so I tried to determine who was ETEC and what
> >> they did.
> >>
> >> However, there's a problem here. I screwed up and got ETEC mixed up
> >> with Datum/Tality. You allegedly worked for ETEC on a poison gas
> >> detector, and for Datum on a NASA "communications converter card". If
> >> that's true, then what would ETEC be doing with an office in Lawrence
> >> Livermore Laboratories?
> >> >precisely why should I have any desire to know every detail possible about a company aside from whether their paychecks bounce or not?
> >> That might explain why you never got very far with any of your
> >> employers.
> >> >I'm getting very tired of your ignorance.
> >> I've been tired of your lies and fabrications for quite some time.
>
> >Edward Teller Education Center (ETEC) at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.. Perhaps you can find another company with a similar name. But you can continue on as the crippled fool you continue to show yourself as.
> Could you help me out a little? I'm having a bit of a problem
> understanding how you were designing poison gas detectors for what
> seems to be a school for K-12 teachers (Edward Teller Education
> Center) located on the grounds of a government research facility:
> "UC collaboration founds Edward Teller Education Center" (2001)
> <https://www.llnl.gov/news/uc-collaboration-founds-edward-teller-education-center>
> I can see LLNL contracting with the military to do poison gas detector
> research, but I'm having a bit of a problem seeing how a school for
> K-12 science teachers might fit into the puzzle.

So can you give us the complete history of that place? I'll be waiting. I worked for Etec and the nameplate was still on the gate entrance until they removed the security fencing all around the facility., But since you're the expert in this, tell us why Etec at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories never existed?

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 3:11:25 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:25:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:23:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> [ Wasted 15 minutes fixing my mistake ]
>
> >Why do you feel the need to "waste" your time fixing your own mistake
> If you were the only reader, I might not have bothered. However, some
> researcher, many years in the future, might stumble across my mistake.
> I consider that sufficient justification for posting a correction.
>
> Unlike you, I don't like seeing mistakes, especially when I make them.
> I consider it my responsibility to identify mistakes, even when
> they're mine. You should try it sometime. It's bad enough making a
> mistake. Compounding the mistake by not posting a correction only
> makes it worse.
> >that is formed on a pure lie on your behalf?
> Where did that come from? Interchanging two of your alleged former
> employers does not constitute a lie, pure or otherwise. Think of it
> like one of your spelling errors.
>
> >No one cares.
>
> More than one might care.
> >Tell us all how much you're worth?
> Worth to whom and for what purpose? As long as customers can benefit
> from my services, I'm worth something to them. None of them ask me
> how much I'm worth. What can you do for someone? Fix their bicycle
> with a hammer?
>
> Hint: I just people mostly by their ability and willingness to learn
> new things. You fail miserably.
> >As a nobody with nothing and a cripple why are you even on this
> >group?
> I thought that I had partly explained to you why I'm not exactly a
> cripple. Do your require a booster shot?
> >Do you find Flunky sexually attractive and so you feel a drive to support his idiocy?
> He's not my type, although he would probably produce a better
> conversation than you.

You're not a "exactly" a cripple. Gotcha, you just can't ride a bike, never did much anyway and haunt a Google site for bicycle repair tech. I must say your credentials are spotless.

On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:06:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:14:08 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:38:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >Here's more of Jeff's unreliable VAERS data. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1..html
> > VAERS is not mentioned in the above CDC report from July 21, 2021.
> > >Oh, wait, didn't I say that since I designed and programmed the PCR automation I knew that you couldn't identify corona viruses using PCR and especially using a 40 cycle reproduction rate that could find a corona virus in drinking water.
> > Has medical research and technology stopped and hasn't progressed
> > since since you were involved in PCR automation? Good to know.
> >
> > "Fact check: CDC is withdrawing its PCR COVID-19 test, but not because
> > it confuses viruses"
> > <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/30/fact-check-cdcs-pcr-test-withdrawn-after-dec-31/9053100002/>
> >
> > "Fact Check-The CDC did not say PCR tests are incapable of detecting
> > COVID-19"
> > <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-testingguidance/fact-check-the-cdc-did-not-say-pcr-tests-are-incapable-of-detecting-covid-19-idUSL1N2TG0QW>
> >
> > "Viral Posts Misrepresent CDC Announcement on COVID-19 PCR Test"
> > <https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-viral-posts-misrepresent-cdc-announcement-on-covid-19-pcr-test/>
> > "But the CDC did not say it was no longer supporting the use of PCR
> > tests in general, many of which have been authorized by the FDA - or
> > that its original PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 can’t tell the difference
> > between coronavirus and influenza - as viral posts spreading online
> > falsely claim."
> Listen you little boot licking cripple - you know nothing about anything so why do you insist on making comments pretending that you do know something? I spent 50 years in science with most of them in medical and laboratory research and development. Not only have I been right but Dr. Scott Atlas,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas
Says this guy is a radiologist. Below is a link for the description of a radiologist.
https://www.acr.org/Practice-Management-Quality-Informatics/Practice-Toolkit/Patient-Resources/About-Radiology
"Radiologists are medical doctors that specialize in diagnosing and treating injuries and diseases using medical imaging (radiology) procedures (exams/tests) such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET) and ultrasound."

Why would you want or need a radiologist on a panel trying to solve a disease caused by a virus? Kind of like a cancer patient getting chemotherapy going to an obstetrician for treatment.

who quit the Presidents advisory panel because the only one that had a say was Fauci just gave an hour and 50 minute speech to Hillsdale College repeating most of what I have said. This is TWO years into this phony pandemic and despite you being wrong at every turn you're still striving to continue your lie in the face of ever single fact being against you.
>
> Let's see how accurate your prediction of no rain in the bay are in February is. I'm still chuckling how you tried to find my name on the NASA employees list when I worked for a subcontractor at the time and said so. You are really slow and getting worse.
>
> By the way why didn't you refer to the actual CDC page about PCR instead of "fact check" who couldn't check a fact if it was whether or not they have a venereal disease? https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers
>
> You are no better than flunky and slow johnny that have nothing but google and no personal knowledge at all So you surf through that mass of misinformation until you find absolutely anything that will support your wilted brain.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:22:23 PM UTC-8, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:06:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:14:08 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> > > On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:38:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> > > <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >Here's more of Jeff's unreliable VAERS data. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
> > > VAERS is not mentioned in the above CDC report from July 21, 2021.
> > > >Oh, wait, didn't I say that since I designed and programmed the PCR automation I knew that you couldn't identify corona viruses using PCR and especially using a 40 cycle reproduction rate that could find a corona virus in drinking water.
> > > Has medical research and technology stopped and hasn't progressed
> > > since since you were involved in PCR automation? Good to know.
> > >
> > > "Fact check: CDC is withdrawing its PCR COVID-19 test, but not because
> > > it confuses viruses"
> > > <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/30/fact-check-cdcs-pcr-test-withdrawn-after-dec-31/9053100002/>
> > >
> > > "Fact Check-The CDC did not say PCR tests are incapable of detecting
> > > COVID-19"
> > > <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-testingguidance/fact-check-the-cdc-did-not-say-pcr-tests-are-incapable-of-detecting-covid-19-idUSL1N2TG0QW>
> > >
> > > "Viral Posts Misrepresent CDC Announcement on COVID-19 PCR Test"
> > > <https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-viral-posts-misrepresent-cdc-announcement-on-covid-19-pcr-test/>
> > > "But the CDC did not say it was no longer supporting the use of PCR
> > > tests in general, many of which have been authorized by the FDA - or
> > > that its original PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 can’t tell the difference
> > > between coronavirus and influenza - as viral posts spreading online
> > > falsely claim."
> > Listen you little boot licking cripple - you know nothing about anything so why do you insist on making comments pretending that you do know something? I spent 50 years in science with most of them in medical and laboratory research and development. Not only have I been right but Dr. Scott Atlas,
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas
> Says this guy is a radiologist. Below is a link for the description of a radiologist.
> https://www.acr.org/Practice-Management-Quality-Informatics/Practice-Toolkit/Patient-Resources/About-Radiology
> "Radiologists are medical doctors that specialize in diagnosing and treating injuries and diseases using medical imaging (radiology) procedures (exams/tests) such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET) and ultrasound."
>
> Why would you want or need a radiologist on a panel trying to solve a disease caused by a virus? Kind of like a cancer patient getting chemotherapy going to an obstetrician for treatment.
>
>
> who quit the Presidents advisory panel because the only one that had a say was Fauci just gave an hour and 50 minute speech to Hillsdale College repeating most of what I have said. This is TWO years into this phony pandemic and despite you being wrong at every turn you're still striving to continue your lie in the face of ever single fact being against you.
> >
> > Let's see how accurate your prediction of no rain in the bay are in February is. I'm still chuckling how you tried to find my name on the NASA employees list when I worked for a subcontractor at the time and said so. You are really slow and getting worse.
> >
> > By the way why didn't you refer to the actual CDC page about PCR instead of "fact check" who couldn't check a fact if it was whether or not they have a venereal disease? https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers
> >
> > You are no better than flunky and slow johnny that have nothing but google and no personal knowledge at all So you surf through that mass of misinformation until you find absolutely anything that will support your wilted brain.

Russell, isn't it embarassing when you don't know shit from shinola and continue to try and polish your shoes with the wrong one?

https://www.hoover.org/profiles/scott-w-atlas
https://profiles.stanford.edu/scott-atlas?tab=bio

I would think that the group of you would run down like the energizer bunnies you pretend to be. But no, you always have more and yet more fake news to publish.

On 2/2/2022 4:26 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:30:45 PM UTC-8, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>> On 2/1/2022 1:23 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>> On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
>>>> On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
>>>>> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
>>>>> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
>>>>> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
>>>>> others.
>>>>
>>>> You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
>>>> Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
>>>>
>>>> AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
>>>> vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
>>>> vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
>>>> imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
>>>> not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
>>>>
>>>> Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
>>>> instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note that there
>>> are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with measles vaccine. Every
>>> year, very predictable.
>> And in general, people are very hard at processing infinitesmal
>> probabilities of infinitely bad outcomes.
>
> In other words, you couldn't care less about children murdered by pharmaceutical companies.

Tom, why won't your wife help you with your reading comprehension?

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2022 6:17 PM, Tom Kunich wrote:
> ..., you just can't ride a bike, never did much anyway and haunt a Google
site for bicycle repair tech. I must say your credentials are spotless.

Tom, from what I can see your ONLY claimed qualification for posting in
this discussion group is your claim that you ride lots of miles - a
claim that AFAIK is not independently verified. It may well be as
fictional as all your other nonsense.

But think about this: Because you claim to ride a lot, you portray
yourself as an expert on engineering, medicine, economics, military
matters, history, religion and theology, climate science, sociology,
military science, firearms, and a dozen other topics. Even if you do
pedal a lot, how does that qualify you to say anything about those
matters? You're not properly educated in _any_ of them. Hell, you
couldn't even make it through high school!

Or let's flip the question. Jim Papadopoulos is a rather brilliant
scientist specializing in bicycle technology. His work on bike stability
is famous, but he's also expert in many other matters, with many
published papers and contributions to books. (FWIW, he and I have
corresponded a bit - not that I'm at his level.) But AFAIK, Jim doesn't
put in big miles at all. Would you reject the technical contributions of
one of the world's most prominent bicycling scientists because he rides
less than you?

Or if mileage really is the only qualification, shouldn't we be getting
all our technical advice from this guy?
https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/hes-done-82-year-old-cyclist-overwhelmed-hits-1million-miles-442080
And judging by photos, he disagrees radically with your equipment
choices. He makes you look like a piker!

Not that you need help that way, of course.

--
- Frank Krygowski

On 2/2/2022 6:22 PM, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 4:06:30 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Monday, January 31, 2022 at 1:14:08 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 31 Jan 2022 12:38:25 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
>>> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Here's more of Jeff's unreliable VAERS data. https://www.cdc.gov/csels/dls/locs/2021/07-21-2021-lab-alert-Changes_CDC_RT-PCR_SARS-CoV-2_Testing_1.html
>>> VAERS is not mentioned in the above CDC report from July 21, 2021.
>>>> Oh, wait, didn't I say that since I designed and programmed the PCR automation I knew that you couldn't identify corona viruses using PCR and especially using a 40 cycle reproduction rate that could find a corona virus in drinking water.
>>> Has medical research and technology stopped and hasn't progressed
>>> since since you were involved in PCR automation? Good to know.
>>>
>>> "Fact check: CDC is withdrawing its PCR COVID-19 test, but not because
>>> it confuses viruses"
>>> <https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/12/30/fact-check-cdcs-pcr-test-withdrawn-after-dec-31/9053100002/>
>>>
>>> "Fact Check-The CDC did not say PCR tests are incapable of detecting
>>> COVID-19"
>>> <https://www.reuters.com/article/factcheck-cdc-testingguidance/fact-check-the-cdc-did-not-say-pcr-tests-are-incapable-of-detecting-covid-19-idUSL1N2TG0QW>
>>>
>>> "Viral Posts Misrepresent CDC Announcement on COVID-19 PCR Test"
>>> <https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/scicheck-viral-posts-misrepresent-cdc-announcement-on-covid-19-pcr-test/>
>>> "But the CDC did not say it was no longer supporting the use of PCR
>>> tests in general, many of which have been authorized by the FDA - or
>>> that its original PCR test for SARS-CoV-2 can’t tell the difference
>>> between coronavirus and influenza - as viral posts spreading online
>>> falsely claim."
>> Listen you little boot licking cripple - you know nothing about anything so why do you insist on making comments pretending that you do know something? I spent 50 years in science with most of them in medical and laboratory research and development. Not only have I been right but Dr. Scott Atlas,
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas
> Says this guy is a radiologist. Below is a link for the description of a radiologist.
> https://www.acr.org/Practice-Management-Quality-Informatics/Practice-Toolkit/Patient-Resources/About-Radiology
> "Radiologists are medical doctors that specialize in diagnosing and treating injuries and diseases using medical imaging (radiology) procedures (exams/tests) such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET) and ultrasound."
>
> Why would you want or need a radiologist on a panel trying to solve a disease caused by a virus? Kind of like a cancer patient getting chemotherapy going to an obstetrician for treatment.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> who quit the Presidents advisory panel because the only one that had a say was Fauci just gave an hour and 50 minute speech to Hillsdale College repeating most of what I have said. This is TWO years into this phony pandemic and despite you being wrong at every turn you're still striving to continue your lie in the face of ever single fact being against you.
>>
>> Let's see how accurate your prediction of no rain in the bay are in February is. I'm still chuckling how you tried to find my name on the NASA employees list when I worked for a subcontractor at the time and said so. You are really slow and getting worse.
>>
>> By the way why didn't you refer to the actual CDC page about PCR instead of "fact check" who couldn't check a fact if it was whether or not they have a venereal disease? https://www.heritage.org/public-opinion/commentary/the-facts-about-fact-checkers
>>
>> You are no better than flunky and slow johnny that have nothing but google and no personal knowledge at all So you surf through that mass of misinformation until you find absolutely anything that will support your wilted brain.

Dr Atlas is generally well informed in medicine and health
policy*

https://profiles.stanford.edu/scott-atlas

He's an excellent writer to boot, read his material for
years. Impressive guy.

*Not to say I'd choose him first for open heart surgery.

--
Andrew Muzi
<www.yellowjersey.org/>
Open every day since 1 April, 1971

Jeff Liebermann <jeffl@cruzio.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:25:23 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cyclintom@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:23:26 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> [ Wasted 15 minutes fixing my mistake ]
>
>> Why do you feel the need to "waste" your time fixing your own mistake
>
> If you were the only reader, I might not have bothered. However, some
> researcher, many years in the future, might stumble across my mistake.
> I consider that sufficient justification for posting a correction.
>
> Unlike you, I don't like seeing mistakes, especially when I make them.
> I consider it my responsibility to identify mistakes, even when
> they're mine. You should try it sometime. It's bad enough making a
> mistake. Compounding the mistake by not posting a correction only
> makes it worse.

Continually reviewing your past work for errors and correcting them when
found is, in my mind, one sign of a good engineer.

>> that is formed on a pure lie on your behalf?
>
> Where did that come from? Interchanging two of your alleged former
> employers does not constitute a lie, pure or otherwise. Think of it
> like one of your spelling errors.
>
>> No one cares.
>
> More than one might care.
>
>> Tell us all how much you're worth?
>
> Worth to whom and for what purpose? As long as customers can benefit
> from my services, I'm worth something to them. None of them ask me
> how much I'm worth. What can you do for someone? Fix their bicycle
> with a hammer?
>
> Hint: I just people mostly by their ability and willingness to learn
> new things. You fail miserably.
>
>> As a nobody with nothing and a cripple why are you even on this
>> group?
>
> I thought that I had partly explained to you why I'm not exactly a
> cripple. Do your require a booster shot?
>
>> Do you find Flunky sexually attractive and so you feel a drive to support his idiocy?
>
> He's not my type, although he would probably produce a better
> conversation than you.
>
>

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:20:29 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> On 2/1/2022 1:19 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/1/2022 11:18 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> >> On 1/31/2022 3:16 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> >>>
> >>> The mRNA shot is not a vaccine, in that it doesn't prevent
> >>> repeated contracting or spread.
> >>
> >> That's a bad attempt at a semantic defense. Nothing in the
> >> definition of "vaccine" demands what you claim.
> >>
> >>> It does reduce mortality, which is a good thing. That
> >>> effect is temporary. And, oh by the way, side effects are
> >>> significant in some groups:
> >>>
> >>> https://www.physiciansweekly.com/vaers-data-confirm-myocarditis-risk-after-mrna-vaccine/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> https://americanmilitarynews.com/2021/11/army-surgeon-says-military-ignored-her-warnings-over-covid-19-vaccine-injuries/
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> I tend to think in terms of advantages vs. disadvantages,
> >> benefits vs. detriments.
> >>
> >> The disadvantages you allude to are extremely rare. (surely
> >> you can work out the number of incidents per million?) The
> >> benefits are vastly greater.
> >>
> >
> > Deleterious side effects are rare depending on subsets and beneficent
> > effects depend on subsets as well.
> >
> > For a guy who's 85 and obese, makes sense. For a fit 25 year old not so
> > much. Other factors enter as well.
> One can always pixellate the data until one finds a dot that reinforces
> one's viewpoint, however tiny that dot.
>
> But this popped up today about the risk you raised:
> https://www.yahoo.com/news/falsehood-athletes-dying-covid-vaccines-105226617.html
>
> "Medical research shows the risk of getting myocarditis from the
> coronavirus itself is about 100 times higher than getting it from a
> vaccine."
>
> They say the rumor was generated by a right-wing Austrian group, then
> picked up by the right-wing American press. (Right wing Austrians used
> to have a bad reputation.)
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

I wonder if right-wing Austrian groups look upon Hitler as their idol and hero and founder?

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 6:18:48 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> If riding is dangerous for you now there's no shame in not riding. But commenting authoritatively in the bicycles.tech group should be.

So Tommy, if there was by chance an internet forum group that talked about fixing up cars. And one of the participants was a old former car mechanic back from the 70s and 80s. It would be OK by you if he was no longer a mechanic due to being old and weak and withered up. But it would be shameful for him to offer advice on this mythical mechanic forum according to you. I take it logic and common sense was never ever your strong suit.

But that doesn't seem to stop you. Etec had an office and still does as far as I know at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. If you don't know this why are you commenting on it? Do you like to show your own ignorance that much? And precisely why should I have any desire to know every detail possible about a company aside from whether their paychecks bounce or not?
>
> Please do not tell me about a science you know nothing about. Dr. Kary Mullis has SAID that it doesn't operate the way you seem to think it does. He has recordings all around the net. Go find them and learn something. I'm getting very tired of your ignorance.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 3:09:39 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 10:24:22 AM UTC-8, AMuzi wrote:
> > On 2/1/2022 11:32 AM, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> > > On 1/31/2022 9:11 PM, AMuzi wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Until just now, 'vaccine' meant a preventative to
> > >> infection and transmission. mRNA shots are merely a
> > >> shibboleth. Like 99% of masks*, the mRNA shot won't keep
> > >> you from being infected nor from spreading the virus to
> > >> others.
> > >
> > > You seem to be using a very unusual definition of "vaccine."
> > > Is that original, or sourced from Fox News?
> > >
> > > AFAIK there has never been such a thing as a 100% perfect
> > > vaccine. Probably the easiest illustration is the annual flu
> > > vaccine. Some years are better than others, but even if it's
> > > imperfect, it reduces the severity of the disease. But I'm
> > > not aware of anyone saying "Then it's not a vaccine."
> > >
> > > Well, not yet anyway. If influenza gets tied to politics
> > > instead of medical science, such claims wouldn't surprise me.
> > >
> > Right. I'm surprised that people are surprised when I note
> > that there are 1 to 2 deaths per million for children with
> > measles vaccine. Every year, very predictable.
> >
> > Then again I knew a boy who suffered extended high fevers
> > with measles and was brain damaged. Others were deafened.
> > I'm not at all opposed to vaccines in general.
> Although the percentages of people who had very strong negative reactions to the covid-19 vaccine is pretty low, with half of the country vaccinated the number of deaths are surprisingly high.

Tommy, the CDC says 2,369 people are dying every single day due to Covid. By the 7 day moving average. So even if the vaccine was killing off 100 per day, it would still be less than 5% of those killed every single day from Covid. Of course the vaccine itself is killing an astronomically tiny number in total. But 2,369 Covid deaths every single day out of a population of 330 million seems "surprisingly high" to me. Thats 865 thousand dead people in a year. Or 0.26% of the total population. About a 1 in 400 death rate for every single person in the USA. Surprisingly high.
https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#trends_dailydeaths

But the left believes that they should have the right to force even little children that do not suffer any serious effects from covid-19 to take a measurably dangerous vaccine. The VAERS number is 12,000 but like everything from the left that is distorted all to hell. If you get a blood clot from the vaccine and die before 26 days after the vaccination they are claiming that you died from covid-19 even though the autopsy says it was blood clotting. And the injuries to the circulatory system from clotting can be and usually are permanent.
>
> It is my position that every single decision on everything has been in favor of the pharmaceutical companies from protecting them entirely against any possible harm from these vaccines to fighting any possible treatments that might prove safe and effective making vaccines unnecessary. This last is in itself a crime.

On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 7:17:53 PM UTC-6, Frank Krygowski wrote:
> In practice, that doesn't work. Every medicine and medical procedure
> causes some amount of harm to some subset of those being treated. The
> data sheets we get with our prescription medications spell those out,
> often in some detail.

I went a few months ago to the dental doctor to have a tooth pulled. It was cracked. The nurse prepping me gave me a disclosure, absolution form to sign and it listed all the awful evil terrible things that could happen to me by having my tooth pulled. I read the document in detail. I asked the nurse if this was accurate. She said it would be OK and the doctor was good. I took her word for it and signed the form. And it was. Mouth, teeth are AOK now.

>
> I recall being concerned about one particular side effect of one
> particular prescription my physician was prescribing. (He's a bit unique
> in that he was a pharmacist before getting his medical degree, which
> makes him more knowledgeable about pharmaceuticals than the typical
> doctor.) Anyway, he was aware of the side effect but said "But look at
> the percentages!" And indeed, the data showed the side effect that
> worried me had roughly a one percent chance of occurring. I accepted the
> prescription.
>
> As I've said, I'm a big fan of normal curves, intelligently applied. "Do
> no harm" would replace the normal curve with some sort of binary
> "yes/no" test. That doesn't work in the real world.
>
> --
> - Frank Krygowski

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:57:04 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The worst cases in the EU were in northeastern Italy. These cases were ALL in retirement homes and that area contains some of the oldest people in Europe. Plus adjacent to that area was large populations of Chinese foreign workers building steel frame commercial buildings.
>

China has a total population of something like 1.4 BILLION people. Wuhan China, where the virus was supposedly originated, has a population of 11 million. How many Chinese foreign construction workers were at this fictional place in Italy? 100? 1000? And they got infected with Covid in Wuhan and killed all the old people in the Italian retirement home? Were the construction workers all from Wuhan? Was one of them? And why were Chinese imported to Italy to build buildings? That seems like a job they would hire local Italians to do. I'm sure Italy has a strong union of construction steel workers that make sure all buildings are built by union employees. Bringing in foreign workers for some jobs is common. The middle east imports women from India to clean hotels. California and Arizona import workers from Mexico to pick fruit and vegetables. But bringing in cheap Chinese workers to build a multi million dollar building? Doesn't add up.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:57:29 PM UTC-6, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:32:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:18:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >If riding is dangerous for you now there's no shame in not riding. But commenting authoritatively in the bicycles.tech group should be. But that doesn't seem to stop you.
> >>
> >>
> >> >Etec had an office and still does as far as I know at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.
> >> I managed to find something on Bloomberg in the Healthcare sector:
> >> <https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0882696D:US>
> >> ETEC LABS Inc. provides electric transportation
> >> solutions. The Company offers testing, evaluation,
> >> research, and analysis services for advanced
> >> transportation. ETEC LABS markets to utilities,
> >> governments, vehicle OEMs, universities, researchers,
> >> and testing organizations throughout the United States.
> >>
> >> If they have an office somewhere, it's well hidden.
> >> >If you don't know this why are you commenting on it?
> >> Because you lied and claimed you worked for NASA when you actually
> >> worked for ETEC, a sub-contractor. You were nice enough to supply the
> >> sub-contractors name so I tried to determine who was ETEC and what
> >> they did.
> >>
> >> However, there's a problem here. I screwed up and got ETEC mixed up
> >> with Datum/Tality. You allegedly worked for ETEC on a poison gas
> >> detector, and for Datum on a NASA "communications converter card". If
> >> that's true, then what would ETEC be doing with an office in Lawrence
> >> Livermore Laboratories?
> >> >precisely why should I have any desire to know every detail possible about a company aside from whether their paychecks bounce or not?
> >> That might explain why you never got very far with any of your
> >> employers.
> >> >I'm getting very tired of your ignorance.
> >> I've been tired of your lies and fabrications for quite some time.
>
> >Edward Teller Education Center (ETEC) at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.. Perhaps you can find another company with a similar name. But you can continue on as the crippled fool you continue to show yourself as.
> Could you help me out a little? I'm having a bit of a problem
> understanding how you were designing poison gas detectors for what
> seems to be a school for K-12 teachers (Edward Teller Education
> Center) located on the grounds of a government research facility:
> "UC collaboration founds Edward Teller Education Center" (2001)
> <https://www.llnl.gov/news/uc-collaboration-founds-edward-teller-education-center>
> I can see LLNL contracting with the military to do poison gas detector
> research, but I'm having a bit of a problem seeing how a school for
> K-12 science teachers might fit into the puzzle.
> --
> Jeff Liebermann je...@cruzio.com
> PO Box 272 http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
> Ben Lomond CA 95005-0272
> Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jeff, its all very logical. Not simple, but logical. QANON or whatever cabal of mind control people in the government running things in them days were developing a plan to poison all the teachers in America. Then they would install their hand picked substitute teachers to brain wash and indoctrinate all the school children. Fool proof plan to control the world. Or at least the USA part of the world. Tommy apparently helped on this project when it was undergoing its first tests. They were going to poison all the teachers at this school and figure out if it worked. But maybe Tommy F-CKED up his part of the project and made defective parts. So the whole master plan was scrapped. Or put on hold. Because its back today.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 6:29:53 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:22:23 PM UTC-8, russell...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > > Listen you little boot licking cripple - you know nothing about anything so why do you insist on making comments pretending that you do know something? I spent 50 years in science with most of them in medical and laboratory research and development. Not only have I been right but Dr. Scott Atlas,
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas
> > Says this guy is a radiologist. Below is a link for the description of a radiologist.
> > https://www.acr.org/Practice-Management-Quality-Informatics/Practice-Toolkit/Patient-Resources/About-Radiology
> > "Radiologists are medical doctors that specialize in diagnosing and treating injuries and diseases using medical imaging (radiology) procedures (exams/tests) such as X-rays, computed tomography (CT), magnetic resonance imaging (MRI), nuclear medicine, positron emission tomography (PET) and ultrasound."
> >
> > Why would you want or need a radiologist on a panel trying to solve a disease caused by a virus? Kind of like a cancer patient getting chemotherapy going to an obstetrician for treatment.
> >
> Russell, isn't it embarassing when you don't know shit from shinola and continue to try and polish your shoes with the wrong one?
>
> https://www.hoover.org/profiles/scott-w-atlas
> https://profiles.stanford.edu/scott-atlas?tab=bio
>
> I would think that the group of you would run down like the energizer bunnies you pretend to be. But no, you always have more and yet more fake news to publish.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Atlas
"From 1998 to 2012, Atlas was Professor and Chief of Neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical Center in California."
"Atlas's influence on policy alarmed many doctors and health experts. In September 2020, 78 of Atlas's former colleagues at the Stanford Medical School signed an open letter criticizing Atlas, writing that he had made "falsehoods and misrepresentations of science" that "run counter to established science" and "undermine public health authorities and the credible science that guides effective public health policy." Atlas's lawyer Marc Kasowitz threatened to sue the researchers."
"The same month, the Stanford University Faculty Senate, by an 85% vote, adopted a resolution condemning Atlas for his actions that "promote a view of COVID-19 that contradicts medical science." The resolution cited Atlas's statements and said they endangered the public."

I'm doubting anyone at Stanford gives a F about this guy anymore. But this bum wanted to sue. Just like Trump sues everyone too.

On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 10:00:37 PM UTC-6, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 15:13:47 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 2:57:29 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 13:32:18 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On Tuesday, February 1, 2022 at 4:42:57 PM UTC-8, jeff.li...@gmail.com wrote:
> >> >> On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 16:18:45 -0800 (PST), Tom Kunich
> >> >> <cycl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >If riding is dangerous for you now there's no shame in not riding. But commenting authoritatively in the bicycles.tech group should be. But that doesn't seem to stop you.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >Etec had an office and still does as far as I know at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories.
> >> >> I managed to find something on Bloomberg in the Healthcare sector:
> >> >> <https://www.bloomberg.com/profile/company/0882696D:US>
> >> >> ETEC LABS Inc. provides electric transportation
> >> >> solutions. The Company offers testing, evaluation,
> >> >> research, and analysis services for advanced
> >> >> transportation. ETEC LABS markets to utilities,
> >> >> governments, vehicle OEMs, universities, researchers,
> >> >> and testing organizations throughout the United States.
> >> >>
> >> >> If they have an office somewhere, it's well hidden.
> >> >> >If you don't know this why are you commenting on it?
> >> >> Because you lied and claimed you worked for NASA when you actually
> >> >> worked for ETEC, a sub-contractor. You were nice enough to supply the
> >> >> sub-contractors name so I tried to determine who was ETEC and what
> >> >> they did.
> >> >>
> >> >> However, there's a problem here. I screwed up and got ETEC mixed up
> >> >> with Datum/Tality. You allegedly worked for ETEC on a poison gas
> >> >> detector, and for Datum on a NASA "communications converter card". If
> >> >> that's true, then what would ETEC be doing with an office in Lawrence
> >> >> Livermore Laboratories?
> >> >> >precisely why should I have any desire to know every detail possible about a company aside from whether their paychecks bounce or not?
> >> >> That might explain why you never got very far with any of your
> >> >> employers.
> >> >> >I'm getting very tired of your ignorance.
> >> >> I've been tired of your lies and fabrications for quite some time.
> >>
> >> >Edward Teller Education Center (ETEC) at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories. Perhaps you can find another company with a similar name. But you can continue on as the crippled fool you continue to show yourself as.
> >> Could you help me out a little? I'm having a bit of a problem
> >> understanding how you were designing poison gas detectors for what
> >> seems to be a school for K-12 teachers (Edward Teller Education
> >> Center) located on the grounds of a government research facility:
> >> "UC collaboration founds Edward Teller Education Center" (2001)
> >> <https://www.llnl.gov/news/uc-collaboration-founds-edward-teller-education-center>
> >> I can see LLNL contracting with the military to do poison gas detector
> >> research, but I'm having a bit of a problem seeing how a school for
> >> K-12 science teachers might fit into the puzzle.
> >I worked for Etec
>
> I don't think so. You didn't answer my question(s). What were you
> doing working on a poison gas detector for an organization which
> trains k-12 science teachers? Why isn't ETEC on your resume?
> >and the nameplate was still on the gate entrance until they removed
> >the security fencing all around the facility.,
> That's a clue. You remembered that you saw the ETEC sign and decided
> that would be yet another contrived employer and which conveniently
> provided you with a connection to LLNL. That's just a guess, but
> considering your track record for bogus employers and employment
> experience, I think it's likely.
> >But since you're the expert in this, tell us why Etec at Lawrence Livermore Laboratories never existed?
> Nope. It's your problem to proved that you worked for ETEC, in a
> facility on the grounds of LLNL, on a poison gas detector for the
> military, as you previously claimed.
>
> Hint: In 2001 when the ETEC program was active, according to your
> online resume at you were simultaneously working for both Tality and
> Diablo Research:
> <https://www.linkedin.com/in/tom-kunich-22012/>
> You might want to fix the overlap, unless you want to claim that you
> worked for three companies at the same time.
> --
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Jeff!!!!!!!! We are talking about Tommy. Of course he worked for three companies at once. Entirely possible for a man of his talents. I suspect he put in 8 hour days at each one every Monday through Friday. That is 24 hours. The length of one day. He worked day shift, evening shift, and night shift at the three companies. In succession. All the companies were probably located in the same office building so it would only take a few seconds to run up the stairs to the next floor and start his shift at the next company. Tommy is truly amazing.

On Thursday, February 3, 2022 at 3:14:03 AM UTC, russellseaton1@yahoo.com wrote:
> On Wednesday, February 2, 2022 at 4:57:04 PM UTC-6, cycl...@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> > The worst cases in the EU were in northeastern Italy. These cases were ALL in retirement homes and that area contains some of the oldest people in Europe. Plus adjacent to that area was large populations of Chinese foreign workers building steel frame commercial buildings.
> >
> China has a total population of something like 1.4 BILLION people. Wuhan China, where the virus was supposedly originated, has a population of 11 million. How many Chinese foreign construction workers were at this fictional place in Italy? 100? 1000? And they got infected with Covid in Wuhan and killed all the old people in the Italian retirement home? Were the construction workers all from Wuhan? Was one of them? And why were Chinese imported to Italy to build buildings? That seems like a job they would hire local Italians to do. I'm sure Italy has a strong union of construction steel workers that make sure all buildings are built by union employees. Bringing in foreign workers for some jobs is common. The middle east imports women from India to clean hotels. California and Arizona import workers from Mexico to pick fruit and vegetables. But bringing in cheap Chinese workers to build a multi million dollar building? Doesn't add up.