On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~~
> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>
> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >
> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> muse?
> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> teacher we once had here:
> >>
> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > That saying has been used too much here.
> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

Should she have?

On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>>>>
>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>>>
>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> muse?
>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>>> teacher we once had here:
>>>>
>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>
> Should she have?

You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 10:04:44 PM UTC, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>> postpoetry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ~~
> > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>>
> > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >
> > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > muse?

George Dance, you again have not understood double meaning in comments. Open your mind to other possibilities! We are talking about both the lack of a muse in your writing and the fact that your writing is not amusing. Mensa is going to take back your Junior Ranger Badge.
> > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.

Lazy writing, posing as something profound, that comes off as pretentious.

> > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
We know that the ampersand is pronounced "AM per sand." If we were transcribing your poem from the spoken word, we would write "and" when "and" was said. Writing "&" six times in a poem serves no purpose in the poem and does not showcase the poet's talents.

> > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> teacher we once had here:
> > >>
> > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
Did we dance with Jesus? Did Jim buy God three beers?

> > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
We are saying that whether or not it is your voice in the poem, it is still your attempt to be creative. You get low marks for that.

> Should she have?
It probably had its genesis with someone else's poem or idea, but we don't care to look for a similar poem. We know that no one would steal it in its current form.

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>
> >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>
> >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> muse?
> >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >
> > Should she have?
> You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

I'm not on a team, George.

And plagiarism isn't a matter of opinion.

Coco DeSockmonkey wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >>>>>>> postpoetry
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> ~~
>> >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>> >>>
>> >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> >> muse?
>> >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> >>>> teacher we once had here:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> >>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> >
>> > Should she have?
>> You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

> I'm not on a team

Yet you're the one who came up with the idea.

🙂

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>
> >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>
> >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> muse?
> >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>
> >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >
> > Should she have?
> You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

What, the little monkey has cold feet already?

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 9:04:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>>>> postpoetry
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ~~
> > >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >>>
> > >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >> muse?
> > >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >>>> teacher we once had here:
> > >>>>
> > >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > >
> > > Should she have?
> > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> What, the little monkey has cold feet already?

I'm not at war with George, Donkey.

I am at war with you.

You aren't going to have as many allies to use as human shields.

Deal with it.

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 9:04:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > >>>>>>> postpoetry
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > >>>>>>>
>> > >>>>>>> ~~
>> > >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > >>>>>
>> > >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > >> muse?
>> > >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> > >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > >>>> teacher we once had here:
>> > >>>>
>> > >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > >>> That saying has been used too much here.
>> > >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> > >
>> > > Should she have?
>> > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
>> What, the little monkey has cold feet already?

> I'm not at war with George

That's actually good news.

🙂

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>
> >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ~~
> >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>
> >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >
> > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> muse?
> > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> teacher we once had here:
> >>
> >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > That saying has been used too much here.
> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.

NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.

🙂

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 9:32:30 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 9:04:59 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 6:16:19 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>>>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>>>> postpoetry
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >>>>>>>
> > > >>>>>>> ~~
> > > >>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> muse?
> > > >>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > >> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > >>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >>>> teacher we once had here:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >>> That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > >
> > > > Should she have?
> > > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> > What, the little monkey has cold feet already?
> I'm not at war with George
>
> I am at war with you

That's old news, little monkey, as George Dance explained:

**********************************************

> On Wednesday, September 14, 2022 at 8:06 PM UTC-4, George Dance wrote:
>

>> I think the biggest lie is that there is a 'cease-fire'. As you know,
>> Pendragon hasn't stopped fighting; he's merely decided to concentrate
>> his fighting with one target only. He's explained it:
>>
>> "> If everyone in AAPC fights with Will, then Will comes across as
>> either a troll, or (at best) someone who doesn't fit in with the rest of
>> the group. OTOH, if the majority of AAPC members attack Will, Rachel,
>> Zod, GD, Jordy's Creepy Uncle, PJR, Ilya, and others, Will can pretend
>> that he and his "friends" are being unfairly attacked/trolled by a group
>> of cyberbullies."
>>
>> IOW, if a gang of bullies tries attacking a bunch of kids, they'll look
>> like a gang of bullies; but if they just attack one person, it'll look
>> like that one person's fault.
> --George Dance

> *********************************************************************

And so it goes.

On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >>>>> postpoetry
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> ~~
> > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >>>
> > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >
> > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > muse?
> > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> teacher we once had here:
> > >>
> > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.

Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors and someone else's apostrophes-- I think they're OCD or rabid.
And this high 'n mighty act from Mr. Edgar Polland of the auto-correct notoriety!
The whippin' fools makin' a mighty sordid show of their last years!

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ~~
> > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >>>
> > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >
> > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > muse?
> > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.
> Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors and someone else's apostrophes-- I think they're OCD or rabid.
> And this high 'n mighty act from Mr. Edgar Polland of the auto-correct notoriety!
> The whippin' fools makin' a mighty sordid show of their last years!

Dockery has lived as and will die known as, a brain fart.

Nothing more, nothing less.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> ~~
> > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >>>
> > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >
> > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > muse?
> > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >>
> > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.
> Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors

You have that backwards again, Ash.

HTH and HAND.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:10:40 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > muse?
> > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.
> > Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors
> You have that backwards again, Ash.

So you say but who's believing you...

Ash Wurthing wrote:

> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:10:40 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 11:00:53 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
>> > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > > On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > > >>>>>
>> > > > >>>>> ~~
>> > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > > >>>
>> > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > > muse?
>> > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > >>
>> > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.
>> > Talk about obsessing! This is all Will and Zod talk about, about NG's errors
>> You have that backwards again, Ash.

> So you say

It's in the archives, look it up.

🙂

George J. Dance wrote:

> On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
>>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
>>>>>>>> postpoetry
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ~~
>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>>>>>>
>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
>>>>
>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>>> muse?
>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>>>>> teacher we once had here:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>>
>> Should she have?

> You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.

Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>
> > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >>>>>
> > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >
> > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > muse?
> > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember.
>
> Dockery has lived as and will die

And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > > muse?
> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> >
> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?

You're the only one obsessed with Will Donkey, Stink.

The rest of us just wish you both were gone.

Die Stink, die.
Stop stinking up the place
Cover your ugly face
With sod so foul that only brambles dare
Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
Long home to ticks and fleas
Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
The earth repels you like some rank disease
The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

Michael Pendragon wrote:

> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
>> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
>> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
>> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
>> >
>> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
>> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
>> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
>> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
>> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
>> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
>> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
>> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
>> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
>> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
>> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
>> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
>> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
>> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
>> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
>> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
>> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
>> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
>> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
>> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
>> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
>> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
>> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
>> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
>> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
>> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
>> > > > > >>>>>
>> > > > > >>>>> ~~
>> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
>> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
>> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
>> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
>> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
>> > > > > muse?
>> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
>> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
>> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
>> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
>> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
>> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
>> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
>> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
>> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
>> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
>> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
>> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
>> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
>> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
>> >
>> > Dockery has lived as and will die
>> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?

> You're the only one obsessed

Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.

🙂

with

> Die Stink, die.
> Stop stinking up the place
> Cover your ugly face
> With sod so foul that only brambles dare
> Take root atop its filth. Your grizzled hair
> Long home to ticks and fleas
> Shall be the straw where graveworms make their bed;
> The earth repels you like some rank disease
> The sun shines brighter knowing that you're dead
> And songbird choirs echo "Die Stink, die."

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >> > > > > >>>>>
> >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >> > > > > muse?
> >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> >> >
> >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
>
> > You're the only one obsessed
> Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.

Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > >> > > > > >>>
> > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > >> > > > > >
> > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > >> > > > > muse?
> > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > >> > > > > >>
> > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > >> >
> > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> >
> > > You're the only one obsessed
> > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.

Only in your fantasies, little monkey

HTH and HAND.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol.com wrote:
> > > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > >> > > > > >
> > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > >> > > > > muse?
> > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands..
> > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > >> > > > > >>
> > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet..
> > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > > >> >
> > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> > >
> > > > You're the only one obsessed
> > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> Only in your fantasies, little monkey

It's in the archives, Donkey. 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On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>> muse?
> >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>
> >> Should she have?
>
>
> > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....

Except, of course, the shit spewing little monkey obviously doesn't want peace.

And so it goes.

On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 11:40:26 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:37:33 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:02:51 PM UTC-4, michaelmalef...@gmail..com wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:25:14 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 5:15:18 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > >> On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:08:04 AM UTC-4, blackpo...@aol..com wrote:
> > > > >> > On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 10:04:12 AM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >> On 2022-10-21 12:58 p.m., NancyGene wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >>> On Friday, October 21, 2022 at 4:47:48 PM UTC, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > > >> > > > > >>>> On Wednesday, October 19, 2022 at 9:48:09 AM UTC-4, george....@yahoo.ca wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > > >>>>> postpoetry
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if a poet points that out
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> what else to do what else to say
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> ~~
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> > > > >> > > > > >>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> > > > >> > > > > >>>
> > > > >> > > > > >>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> > > > >> > > > > >> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> > > > >> > > > > >> speaker of the poem needs.
> > > > >> > > > > >
> > > > >> > > > > > The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> > > > >> > > > > I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> > > > >> > > > > muse?
> > > > >> > > > > > If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> > > > >> > > > > Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> > > > >> > > > > > You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> > > > >> > > > > It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> > > > >> > > > > > Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> > > > >> > > > > No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> > > > >> > > > > not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> > > > >> > > > > >> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> > > > >> > > > > >> teacher we once had here:
> > > > >> > > > > >>
> > > > >> > > > > >> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem."
> > > > >> > > > > > That saying has been used too much here.
> > > > >> > > > > Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> > > > >> > > > > > The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> > > > >> > > > > Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> > > > >> > > > NancyGene doesn't even remember what country London is in, remember..
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > Dockery has lived as and will die
> > > > >> And you will be obsessed with him to your last breath, right, Jim Senetto, you silly old fart...?
> > > >
> > > > > You're the only one obsessed
> > > > Bullshit, or rather, monkey shit, from Michael Pendragon, noted.
> > > Come on, Donkey. Stink sniffs after your ever post -- with his tongue hanging out and ready to slurp.
> > Only in your fantasies, little monkey
> It's in the archives, Donkey. Time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and time and 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On Sunday, October 23, 2022 at 7:52:43 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> > On 2022-10-22 6:04 p.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:50:32 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >>> On 2022-10-22 10:03 a.m., NancyGene wrote:
> >>>> On Saturday, October 22, 2022 at 5:51:34 AM UTC, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >
> >>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs, "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>
> >>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>> I never said he was. Where did you get the idea the speaker might be a
> >>> muse?
> >>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what they're there for.
> >>>> You did not address the visual demand for six ampersands.
> >>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced by &.
> >>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced "and." I can understand you
> >>> not knowing that, but it's something you could have Googled.
> >>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla, another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with the writer of the poem.."
> >>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>> Not enough, considering how many tend to forget it so often.
> >>>> The poem still represents your attempt at creativity.
> >>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it "plagiarized" yet.
> >>
> >> Should she have?
>
>
> > You're the TM captain; that's up to you to decide.
> Exactly, Pen could declare peace and the others would tag along....

Oh, really, which of my inner demons died and make him my war chieftain?
sorry not sorry, the gallery couldn't resist