Michael Pendragon wrote:

>

> You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism

You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!

On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 12:39:54 PM UTC-4, george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> On 2022-11-02 11:38 a.m., Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 2, 2022 at 11:10:16 AM UTC-4,
> george...@yahoo.ca wrote:
> >> On 2022-11-02 10:25 a.m., Will Dockery wrote:
> >>> George J. Dance wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> postpoetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> although there's nothing left to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we're gonna say it anyway
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a reader doesn't read
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll call him something we don't need
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a critic calls it shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we won't believe a word of it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if a poet points that out
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we'll just ignore it & we'll shout
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about her frogs and trees and birds
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so we won't have to read her words
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or better yet let's write of war
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and fill a page or two with gore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some reeking flesh a severed head
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & maggots feasting on the dead
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & if perchance that doesn't shock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> let's add a line of fuck ass cock
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> motherfucker piss & shit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (who knows that just might pass for wit)
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what else to do what else to say
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when everything is mere cliche?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how else to make a reader feel
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or think that what we say is real?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of course the whole idea is dumb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> when we're as comfortably numb
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> but if we sweat through every motion
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> we may feel a real emotion –
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at least it kills an hour or two
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and we have nothing else to do.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ~~
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George J. Dance, 2007
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from Doggerel, and other doggerel, 2015
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance don't need no stinkin' commas.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It isn't about what George Dance needs,
> "Professor"; it's about what the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker of the poem needs.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The speaker in your poem is not "a muse."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never said he was. Where did you get the
> idea the speaker might be a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> muse?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If poetry is meant to be read aloud, how does
> your lack of punctuation help your poem?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Use the line and stanza breaks. That's what
> they're there for.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You did not address the visual demand for six
> ampersands..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's just part of the style. "and" is replaced
> by &.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does the speaker say "ampersand" in each line?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, "Professor,", an ampersand is pronounced
> "and." I can understand you
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not knowing that, but it's something you could
> have Googled.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me quote (from memory) from Karla,
> another wannabe online poetry
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> teacher we once had here:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Do not confuse the speaker of the poem with
> the writer of the poem.."
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That saying has been used too much here.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not enough, considering how many tend to
> forget it so often.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The poem still represents your attempt at
> creativity.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh, good; you haven't started calling it
> "plagiarized" yet..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Should she have?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That would be a typical NancyGene troll stunt, yes..
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I didn't ask if she would have (in your paranoid
> opinion), but *should* she have.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance is known (with or without
> justification) for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's just a smear from PJR, Pen, you know that......
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Pendragon damned well knows it.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That only accounts for one of the accusations.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Both Jim and I were victims of another form of
> literary theft when George Dance refused to remove our poetry from his
> website and posted out of context quotes by us in his wiki.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That's not plagiarism, though.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What part of "another form" are you failing to comprehend?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> George Dance did, otoh, plagiarize "Batty's Hat" from
> PJR. And you know that, as well.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> No, it was a parody, satire of PJR.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fair use.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Exactly, you nailed that onme, Doc...!
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Obvious, probably even to PJR himself.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Obviously not, since PJR accused George Dance of having
> plagiarized it from him.
> >>>>>>>>>> I didn't say PJR would admit it, little monkey.
> >>>>>>>>> Was George's "Penny's Hat" blog a satire as well, Donkey?
> >>>>>>>> I don't remember, we should ask George Dance, little monkey.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> If you like. I do remember reading PJR's accusation, and
> finding it disturbingly convincing.
> >>>>>> Your memory is not well known to be very trustworthy, Pen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I am known for having an exceptional memory, Stink.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I could easily find and repost PJR's accusation, but I doubt that
> George Dance would be happy about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I also doubt that George Dance appreciates how you and your
> Donkey insist on pressing the issue. As previously noted, I don't
> believe that George Dance intentionally set out to plagiarize PJR.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> However, that is precisely what he did
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> No, that was a false accusation of PJ Ross's (and, now, yours). The
> >>>> alleged plagiaized poem that PJ Ross claimed I'd posted never existed.
> >>>> When that was not just pointed out but proven, he simply made up a
> story
> >>>> that I'd "deleted" it (not just from Google groups, but from all of
> >>>> usenet).
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>> , and raking it over the coals, yet another time, does nothing to
> improve his reputation.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Actually, I think allowing bogus allegations like the above one go
> >>>> unanswered would be far worse for my reputation.
> >>>
> >>> Yes, correct the lies and misrepresentations and set the record
> straight, in other words.
> >>>
> >> Indeed. I don't get to do that with the Chimp's stories about you (since
> >> you don't want me writing the details of your life), or of Michael's
> >> false story about Ilya (since he doesn't want me writing about that) --
> >
> > I didn't make up the story about Ilya.
> You took a reported story and changed the details. And, that's all I'll
> say about that, since (due to you) Ilya doesn't want me giving details.
> > And I have repeatedly argued that we'll never be able to know whether
> it is true.
> >
> No, that is not true. I remember you telling the Ashtroll the story
> about it yourself -- and you never told him that you didn't know whether
> it was true or not. You just presented it to him as a true story.
> >> but there's no reason I or anyone else) should let either of them get
> >> away with writing the same kind of bullshit about me in false hope
> >> they'll stop someday.
> >
> > A comparison of the two poems shows that "Betty's" and "Penny's" hats
> are nearly word-for-word rip-offs of "Batty's."
> >
> Then what's stopping you from comparing the two poems? So far, all
> you've done is compare PJ's "poem" to a lines in an early draft that I
> didn't even write (Ray wrote them, with one word change by Will), and
> just tried to pass that off as my poem. As I told you, try again.
> > I have defended your unattributed posting of Leonard Cohen's poem on
> several occasions, and still maintain that you were not attempting to
> pass it off as your own. > But your theft of "Batty's Hat" is undeniable.
> >
> Wrong. Go back and read my actual poem (or at least the lines in it that
> you claim are 'plagiarized'. They're all substantially different.
> > I can only conclude that you are as delusional as a Donkey regarding it..
> >
> I'll remind you that PJ Ross not only claimed that "Penny" was
> plagiarized, but gave me an ultimatum to remove it from my blog or he'd
> go to Google (which hosts the site). I refused, and we stared it out
> eyeball-to-eyeball, until he finally blinked and admitted that "Penny"
> was substantially different from his "poem".
>
> So according to you, he was also "delusional as a Donkey". So was Ray,
> of course, since he never even claimed my poem was "plagiarized.
>
>
> Tell me: Is there anyone besides you that you think is not "delusional
> as a Donkey" on the subject?

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> >
>
> > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!

He's just second handing PJR, his mentor.

🙂

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 5:00:16 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> No, you're wrong, Pendragon.
>
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> HTH and HAND.

Wrong, Donkey.

In both cases, the finished product is more than just the words that were written -- it is also the words that were removed, and the line breaks that were imposed on them.

Both of your poems were significantly altered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto (in the latter case, the poem was created out of one of your prose posts); and belong as much to them as they do to you.

IOW: both poems were co-authored (at least in their present form).

When you claim that the poems are solely your creation and/or property, you are committing a form of plagiarism.

Michael Cook edited and adapted your "Karma Bombs." You stole his edited adaptation in return.

Similarly, Jim created a poem, which he named "Shambles," out of one of your posts, only to have you steal the poem from him.

You have the right to claim both works in their original form. However, when you use the adaptations, you *must* credit Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto as co-authors.

Not only have you refused to credit them, but you have accused Mr. Cook of having plagiarized you -- which makes you guilty of both plagiarism and slander on that count.

You are a plagiarist -- regardless of whether you know and understand why (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

*Try reading the above before attempting to deny the charges, dumbass.

Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon.

I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.

I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.

HTH and HAND, little monkey.

🙂

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> Michael Pendragon wrote:
>
> >
>
> > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!

As I told the shit slinging little monkey:

"Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon.

I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.

I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.

HTH and HAND, little monkey."

🙂

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> > You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!
> He's just second handing PJR, his mentor.

You're just like Trump and getting real damned sloppy with your misrepresenting. You dumb asses said he wanted PJR to be his mentor but was rejected, but now your saying he is his mentor. This on top of your stupid sock monkey missing PJR which means some endearment, yet you slander him...
It is apparent to everyone that you two are doing the stupid ass shit slinging and can't even keep your shit straight!

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:11:52 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> > > You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!
> > He's just second handing PJR, his mentor.
> You're just like Trump

You're confused again.

🙂

and getting real damned sloppy with your misrepresenting. You dumb asses said he wanted PJR to be his mentor but was rejected, but now your saying he is his mentor. This on top of your stupid sock monkey missing PJR which means some endearment, yet you slander him...
> It is apparent to everyone that you two are doing the stupid ass shit slinging and can't even keep your shit straight!

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:01:46 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> >
> > >
> >
> > > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> > You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!
> As I told the shit slinging little monkey:
>
> "Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon.
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
> HTH and HAND, little monkey."

*Try reading the following before attempting to deny the charges, dumbass. No one is saying that you did not write all of the words.

Read, comprehend, learn:

Wrong, Donkey.

In both cases, the finished product is more than just the words that were written -- it is also the words that were removed, and the line breaks that were imposed on them.

Both of your poems were significantly altered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto (in the latter case, the poem was created out of one of your prose posts); and belong as much to them as they do to you.

IOW: both poems were co-authored (at least in their present form).

When you claim that the poems are solely your creation and/or property, you are committing a form of plagiarism.

Michael Cook edited and adapted your "Karma Bombs." You stole his edited adaptation in return.

Similarly, Jim created a poem, which he named "Shambles," out of one of your posts, only to have you steal the poem from him.

You have the right to claim both works in their original form. However, when you use the adaptations, you *must* credit Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto as co-authors.

Not only have you refused to credit them, but you have accused Mr. Cook of having plagiarized you -- which makes you guilty of both plagiarism and slander on that count.

You are a plagiarist -- regardless of whether you know and understand why (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:16:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:11:52 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> > > > You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!
> > > He's just second handing PJR, his mentor.
> > You're just like Trump
> You're confused again.

Says you, who can't even keep your shit slinging straight. Your words have no power, they're ignored and ridiculed just like your work.

> and getting real damned sloppy with your misrepresenting. You dumb asses said he wanted PJR to be his mentor but was rejected, but now your saying he is his mentor. This on top of your stupid sock monkey missing PJR which means some endearment, yet you slander him...
> > It is apparent to everyone that you two are doing the stupid ass shit slinging and can't even keep your shit straight!

Pendragon, I wrote every word of those two poems.

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:35:45 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Pendragon, I wrote every word of those two poems.

For the fourth time, Donkey, it has NOTHING to do with your having written every word:

In both cases, the finished product is more than just the words that were written -- it is also the words that were removed, and the line breaks that were imposed on them.

Both of your poems were significantly altered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto (in the latter case, the poem was created out of one of your prose posts); and belong as much to them as they do to you.

IOW: both poems were co-authored (at least in their present form).

When you claim that the poems are solely your creation and/or property, you are committing a form of plagiarism.

Michael Cook edited and adapted your "Karma Bombs." You stole his edited adaptation in return.

Similarly, Jim created a poem, which he named "Shambles," out of one of your posts, only to have you steal the poem from him.

You have the right to claim both works in their original form. However, when you use the adaptations, you *must* credit Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto as co-authors.

Not only have you refused to credit them, but you have accused Mr. Cook of having plagiarized you -- which makes you guilty of both plagiarism and slander on that count.

You are a plagiarist -- regardless of whether you know and understand why (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.

I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.

I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.

And, again, Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?

🙂

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:34:57 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:16:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 8:11:52 PM UTC-4, Ash Wurthing wrote:
> > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:22:28 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> > > > On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 6:17:27 PM UTC-4, Zod wrote:
> > > > > Michael Pendragon wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > You stole Michael Cook's rewrite of "Karma Bombs," and you stole Jim's edit of your "Shambles" post, so the plagiarism
> > > > > You are a stupider fool than I thought, Pen, in no way are those poems plagiarized, Doc WROTE them both, word for word...!
> > > > He's just second handing PJR, his mentor.
> > > You're just like Trump
> > You're confused again.
> Says you,

You prove my point for me with almost every post.

HTH and HAND.

🙂

who can't even keep your shit slinging straight. Your words have no power, they're ignored and ridiculed just like your work.
> > and getting real damned sloppy with your misrepresenting. You dumb asses said he wanted PJR to be his mentor but was rejected, but now your saying he is his mentor. This on top of your stupid sock monkey missing PJR which means some endearment, yet you slander him...
> > > It is apparent to everyone that you two are doing the stupid ass shit slinging and can't even keep your shit straight!

You're wrong and I think you know it, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.

I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.

I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.

And, again, Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 9:34:50 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> You're wrong and I think you know it, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
> And, again, Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?
>
> HTH and HAND.

For the fifth time, Donkey, it has NOTHING to do with your having written every word:

In both cases, the finished product is more than just the words that were written -- it is also the words that were removed, and the line breaks that were imposed on them.

Both of your poems were significantly altered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto (in the latter case, the poem was created out of one of your prose posts); and belong as much to them as they do to you.

IOW: both poems were co-authored (at least in their present form).

When you claim that the poems are solely your creation and/or property, you are committing a form of plagiarism.

Michael Cook edited and adapted your "Karma Bombs." You stole his edited adaptation in return.

Similarly, Jim created a poem, which he named "Shambles," out of one of your posts, only to have you steal the poem from him.

You have the right to claim both works in their original form. However, when you use the adaptations, you *must* credit Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto as co-authors.

Not only have you refused to credit them, but you have accused Mr. Cook of having plagiarized you -- which makes you guilty of both plagiarism and slander on that count.

You are a plagiarist -- regardless of whether you know and understand why (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

For the fifth time, I wrote the poems, there's no way that they could be "plagiarism", Pendragon, you silly little monkey troll.

HTH and HAND.

On Saturday, November 5, 2022 at 10:15:15 PM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
> And, again, Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much?

You are one dense Donkey.

For the sixth time, Donkey, it has NOTHING to do with your having written every word:

In both cases, the finished product is more than just the words that were written -- it is also the words that were removed, and the line breaks that were imposed on them.

Both of your poems were significantly altered by Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto (in the latter case, the poem was created out of one of your prose posts); and belong as much to them as they do to you.

IOW: both poems were co-authored (at least in their present form).

When you claim that the poems are solely your creation and/or property, you are committing a form of plagiarism.

Michael Cook edited and adapted your "Karma Bombs." You stole his edited adaptation in return.

Similarly, Jim created a poem, which he named "Shambles," out of one of your posts, only to have you steal the poem from him.

You have the right to claim both works in their original form. However, when you use the adaptations, you *must* credit Mr. Cook and Mr. Senetto as co-authors.

Not only have you refused to credit them, but you have accused Mr. Cook of having plagiarized you -- which makes you guilty of both plagiarism and slander on that count.

You are a plagiarist -- regardless of whether you know and understand why (ignorance of the law is no excuse).

You're a stupid little monkey, Michael Pendragon.

For the sixth time, I wrote the poems, there's no way that they could be "plagiarism", Pendragon, you stupid little monkey troll.

And so it goes.

Pendragon, I wrote the poems, so there's no way it is plagiarism.

I think you're just trolling me.

🙂

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 12:10:17 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Pendragon, I wrote the poems, so there's no way it is plagiarism.
>
> I think you're just trolling me.

Plagiarism isn't just limited to the words.

You were not responsible for the final form of either poem.

You wrote a prose message and posted it to AAPC. Jim took your prose message, and re-edited it into a poem.

The words were yours, but it took Jim's creative input to turn them into a poem.

Similarly, Michael Cook took one of your poems, and pared it down and re-edited it into a more accessible form (setting it to music as well?).

You supplied the words -- but the final product in both cases was the result of an artistic collaboration.

Legally, if you want to have full rights/credit for these poems, you are obliged to return them to their original (pre-collaborative) forms. If you want to keep them in their current form, than you must give credit to your collaborators.

When you post them without crediting your collaborators, you are committing plagiarism.

I think this is obvious enough for even a Donkey to understand.

No, you're wrong, Pendragon.

I wrote both "Karma Bombs" and "Shambles".

They're my creations.

HTH and HAND.

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:47:03 AM UTC-4, Will Dockery wrote:
> Again, no, you're wrong, Pendragon.
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
> HTH and HAND, little monkey.

You're in denial, Donkey.

Read this, and explain how Jim Senetto and Michael Cook's contributions to the poem are not their intellectual property.

Plagiarism isn't just limited to the words.

You were not responsible for the final form of either poem.

You wrote a prose message and posted it to AAPC. Jim took your prose message, and re-edited it into a poem.

The words were yours, but it took Jim's creative input to turn them into a poem.

Similarly, Michael Cook took one of your poems, and pared it down and re-edited it into a more accessible form (setting it to music as well?).

You supplied the words -- but the final product in both cases was the result of an artistic collaboration.

Legally, if you want to have full rights/credit for these poems, you are obliged to return them to their original (pre-collaborative) forms. If you want to keep them in their current form, than you must give credit to your collaborators.

When you post them without crediting your collaborators, you are committing plagiarism.

I think this is obvious enough for even a Donkey to understand.

Like I said earlier, you're wrong, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.

I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.

I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.

And, again, Michael Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, you shit spewing little monkey?

HTH and HAND.

🙂

On Sunday, November 6, 2022 at 1:16:28 AM UTC-5, Will Dockery wrote:
> Like I said earlier, you're wrong, Pendragon, you shit spewing little monkey.
> I wrote "Karma Bombs", every word. No plagiarism.
>
> I wrote "Shambles", every word. No plagiarism.
> And, again, Michael Pendragon, why do you lie and misrepresent so much, you shit spewing little monkey?

Are you denying that Jim Senetto and Michael Cook made any changes to you poem in any way, shape or form?

Before you answer, remember that both are archived.