On 28/02/2022 12:51 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
> I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
> I'm the most honest person you know.
>
>

that is so hilariously ridiculous it's beyond funny into the realm of
stunned speechlessness

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 9:30 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 07:53:22 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 28/02/2022 12:51 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> cute remarks never defeat rationality. and don't concern yourself
>>>> about me coming back for more. I have his number now.
>>> Really. It doesn't seem to add up.
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> Arguments about "rationality" from a bloke who thinks that CGI generated
>> animations of trucks in a game are *real* is about as funny as it gets.
> Errr. Look up non sequitur Fraudster.
>
> Here's an example...
>
> 'Gibbens tells great big lies, so he can't be trusted'.
> No. Hang on. That's a fact. Take #2.
>
> 'As Gibbens is a pathetic, snivelling coward he therefore cannot put his
> uggies on the correct feet'.
>
> HTH

I think he's beyond help..

>
>> The man is as dumb as a fence post and is out of his depth on *any*
>> subject yet will insist on arguing.
>>
>> That's the height of stupidity right there.
>>
>> Space left for the FLC to offer encouraging comment here ↓↓↓↓↓
> No worries!
>
> Commit yourself Fraudster. He said encouragingly.
>
>
>
> alvey
> "As far as degenerating others goes, I only do that to certain people and
> you're one of them because you're a fucking twat who *deserves* it".
>
> “My command of the language is quite good even if I do say so myself.”
>
>
>
>
>

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 8:35 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:51:38 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a brain,
>>> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
>> I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
> Congratulations Gumps! You are now the official WR holder for contradicting
> yourself in the fewest words!
>
>> I'm the most honest person you know.
> You don't mean "person", you mean "troll".
>
> Anyhoo felix... if you keep biting, they'll keep trolling.
>
> Besides, there is absolutely no point. University studies show that The
> Fraudster has failed to present one particle of proof (still) and that
> keith has, completely expectedly, tripped over his ego and faceplanted into
> the Caboolture mud. They've all conceded, so all you/we need to do now is
> to give the pot a gentle, occassional stir and let the sinners simmer until
> they reduce to nothing. And judging by some of their recent dismal
> performances it can't be long now!
>

yes indeed. the haters have pretty much destroyed this ng now. they're
only here to amuse themselves at others expense.

>
> alvey
>
>
>

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 8:16 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 01:27:11 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2022 9:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 10:34 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
>>>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
>>>>>>> you just run away!
>>>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>
>>>> Great substantive argument there little man. Keith has not run away,
>>>> but has handed you a whipping which you must like as you keep coming
>>>> back for more.
>>>>
>>>> HTH
>>>>
>>> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a brain,
>>> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
>>> cute remarks never defeat rationality. and don't concern yourself about
>>> me coming back for more. I have his number now. there's no point in
>>> talking sense to him (or you!). you noddy, and keith are all one of a
>>> kind. you all belong in the same basket.
>>>
>> These clowns justify their actions like Putin justified his invasion of
>> Ukraine.

good analogy

> It's worse than that.
> Putin doesn't have Right on his side, but he does have Might. Fraudster &
> The Enablers have neither.

you're right!

>
>
> alvey
>

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 08:16:49 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 01:27:11 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
> > On 27/02/2022 9:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >> On 27/02/2022 10:34 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> >>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
> >>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
> >>>>>> you just run away!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
> >>>> riff raff.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> Great substantive argument there little man. Keith has not run away,
> >>> but has handed you a whipping which you must like as you keep coming
> >>> back for more.
> >>>
> >>> HTH
> >>>
> >>
> >> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a brain,
> >> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
> >> cute remarks never defeat rationality. and don't concern yourself about
> >> me coming back for more. I have his number now. there's no point in
> >> talking sense to him (or you!). you noddy, and keith are all one of a
> >> kind. you all belong in the same basket.
> >>
> >
> > These clowns justify their actions like Putin justified his invasion of
> > Ukraine.
> It's worse than that.
> Putin doesn't have Right on his side, but he does have Might. Fraudster &
> The Enablers have neither.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Haha, the ol' flapdoodle speaketh.. (sorta)
> alvey
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On 28/02/2022 8:22 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 00:57:38 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 1:42 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 12:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:28:01 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 1:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 4:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 5:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:04 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 5:34 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 3:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 12:22 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 6:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 1:32 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah]", but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I *do* expect answers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone makes. Whether you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers, you get answers. like it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You only answer questions that provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to boost your own ego. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? now you get to back up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusation. Go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead, make my day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fawning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow up to that from xeno, but nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from clocky?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you want an example question that proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the thread "May need to buy petrol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon" Oct 7 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You assert to another poster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either he proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it or he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given your assertion above that "He asserts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then asked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified for which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided or found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your response:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated, "yes" was the only answer you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You then went on to evade answering the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> If there is only one course of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> option - basic logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> We will just call this Keef's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paradox :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fill your boots you can, and based on past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will, believe anything that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are your own words and prove you dodge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack integrity. That's a problem for you, not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'whatever' doesn't cut it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It cuts it for me, if it doesn't for you then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, it's your problem because you are being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrational and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical and dishonest as clocky proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in your tiny mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup according to logic and reason as clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enunciated above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Clocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that is what you want to believe then go ahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it because it's true. iow a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe it because that is what you want to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup it's a fact that you " dodge questions and lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven by Clocky above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truthiness again, that's what you want to believe. Enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private little wonderland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok I'll play your silly game. prove the fault in Clockies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll wait..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that "Noddys Automotive" never existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not up to anyone to prove the negative, it's up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NoddyLiar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove the positive since he made the claim(s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep and your little group are asserting that "Noddys
>>>>>>>>>>>> Automotive" didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> exist, you have provided no proof of that claim therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are lying.
>>>>>>>>>>> You are being obtuse and idiotic to the point of being Not
>>>>>>>>>>> Worth Reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's an understatement.
>>>>>>>>>> He's now arguing against his own argument FFS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like Bart Simpson, write this out a hundred times. "FRAUDSTER
>>>>>>>>>>> MADE THE
>>>>>>>>>>> CLAIM. THE ONUS IS ON HIM TO PROVE IT."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>> Believe what you want clocky, history shows that you will
>>>>>>>>> believe whatever is convenient to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> your posting history shows you will run and dodge when confronted
>>>>>>>> with sound argument that negates what you say. maybe your
>>>>>>>> intellect is not as big as you believe it to be. maybe it's just
>>>>>>>> 'little'..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have yet to see a "Sound argument" in this place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ah yes.. your usual cop out whenever you are challenged or criticised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I accidentally deleted the original of this post but here's the text)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> Interestingly, apparently grumpy is a stalker for
>>>>>> checking out
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> what people have said in other NGs, but xeno isn't for
>>>>>> trawling
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> through record offices looking for something to hang on
>>>>>> noddy,
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> don't you detect a wiff of hypocrisy there?
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> Hardly trawling. Register online at PROV (I've been
>>>>>> registered
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> for 35+ years), look up apprentice records, pick the archive
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> wanted, order it out, drop in to PROV and check it out. The
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> entire process *at PROV* takes no time at all - mere
>>>>>> minutes in
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> fact. Really easy if a trade registration number is given. I
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> used to do the lookups *for the college* back in the days
>>>>>> when a
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> former apprentice wanted to have a go at completing his
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> apprenticeship, in most cases where they had completed their
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> time but not their college work hence failed to receive
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> certificate of proficiency. When a record isn't on the
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> database, one gets suspicious of claims made since *all*
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> automotive records for every automotive trade are maintained
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> online at the ITC since 1978-80. The only other place
>>>>>> records
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> are kept is PROV and said records are a *final recourse* for
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> people wanting to, say, replace a lost certificate. If the
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> records aren't there at PROV, then they don't exist as
>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> the government is concerned. No records exist in Darren's
>>>>>> name
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> *anywhere*. He can feel free to prove me wrong any time he
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> likes. ;-)
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> well said! (little felix squeaked) keefy apparently has no
>>>>>> prob
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> with ppl claiming qualifications they don't have, trading
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> deception and duping their customers.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> I've never claimed any qualifications at all. However, you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>  >>>>>> implied that you do have some
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> no I have not implied that I have some I have stated that I do.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> but don't even reveal what they are.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> they're not relevant to posting here
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> Very relevant when you are demanding that others reveal theirs
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> as I've seen explained to you more than once, noddy is proffering
>>>>>>  >>> knowledge on automotive matters in a cars newsgroup on the
>>>>>> basis of
>>>>>>  >>> being a qualified motor mechanic. ppl here who are that, have
>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>  >>> doubt he is since he's been wrong, and given bad advice, on
>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>>  >>> occasions. in fact Xeno has stated he cannot be qualified since
>>>>>>  >>> there's no registration number in his name in the relevant
>>>>>> govt data
>>>>>>  >>> base. I've stated that any qualifications I posses are
>>>>>> irrelevant to
>>>>>>  >>> automotive matters, and further I have no qualifications that are
>>>>>>  >>> relevant, and only speak from personal experience working on
>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>  >>> cars. and no one is 'demanding' that noddy 'reveals' any
>>>>>>  >>> qualifications, only that he proves those he claims he has,
>>>>>> and for
>>>>>>  >>> the reasons I've just given.
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> That's convenient so that your claims cannot be tested.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> they don't need to be. you're free to believe what I say or
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> Just as you are free to believe or not others claims, but it is
>>>>>>  >>>> total hypocrisy to demand from others that which you aren't
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>  >>>> to do yourself.
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> see above reply
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >> Total cop-out - you're still a little hypocrite.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > bullshit. you can't admit I'm right in what I said. and I see I'm
>>>>>>  > 'little' again. you're an idiot. you'd rather support a fraud than
>>>>>>  > maintain your integrity. and btw care to cite where I've
>>>>>> *demanded* that
>>>>>>  > he prove he's qualified? and btw, since you seem to be
>>>>>> intellectually
>>>>>>  > challenged these days, asking someone *why* they won't do
>>>>>> something, and
>>>>>>  > discussing why they don't or haven't done it, is *not* demanding
>>>>>> that
>>>>>>  > they do it. my phone was charging the other day, and i sent a
>>>>>> text from
>>>>>>  > my old phone to a friend. they didn't recognize the number, and the
>>>>>>  > reply came back "who is this? I demand to know right now!"
>>>>>> that's an
>>>>>>  > example of a demand, just so you know what a demand actually is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a very angry little
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** oh I'm 'little' again, or is it still?
>>>>> Still
>>>>>
>>>>>> man peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** rubbish. you call that angry? with apologies to John Paul Jones
>>>>>> let me say.. "I have not yet begun to be angry"
>>>>> Oooh scary.
>>>>>
>>>>>> you need to chill out and not take some irrelevant news group so
>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** so as usual you have not addressed anything I said, just run away..
>>>>> You don't have anything substantive to address.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
>>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
>>>>>> you just run away!
>>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
>>>>
>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>> riff raff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this seriously,
>> oh i do realise it.. now.
> You realise that, apu, it's bullshit.
>
> keith is, apu, predictably trying the olde, "Har har! I was only joking!"
> escape line. He came, he saw, he got pummelled.
>

On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 09:59:20 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 12:51 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> >
> > I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
> > I'm the most honest person you know.
> >
> >
> that is so hilariously ridiculous it's beyond funny into the realm of
> stunned speechlessness
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~`
In *your* case, more like *Stunned Mullet*... <FBG>

> --
> https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
> "His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
> the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
> "His self serving ego pumping comments just
> read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 9:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 8:35 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:51:38 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a
>>>> brain,
>>>> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
>>> I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
>> Congratulations Gumps! You are now the official WR holder for
>> contradicting
>> yourself in the fewest words!
>>
>>> I'm the most honest person you know.
>> You don't mean "person", you mean "troll".
>>
>> Anyhoo felix... if you keep biting, they'll keep trolling.
>>
>> Besides, there is absolutely no point. University studies show that The
>> Fraudster has failed to present one particle of proof (still) and that
>> keith has, completely expectedly, tripped over his ego and faceplanted
>> into
>> the Caboolture mud. They've all conceded, so all you/we need to do now is
>> to give the pot a gentle, occassional stir and let the sinners simmer
>> until
>> they reduce to nothing. And judging by some of their recent dismal
>> performances it can't be long now!
>>
>
> yes indeed. the haters have pretty much destroyed this ng now. they're
> only here to amuse themselves at others expense.

Very true, I'm glad that you admit it, you and your mates have pretty
well destroyed the NG.

On 28/02/2022 9:18 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 8:22 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 00:57:38 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 1:42 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 12:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:28:01 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 1:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 4:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 5:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:04 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 5:34 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 3:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 12:22 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 6:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 1:32 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah]", but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I *do* expect answers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone makes. Whether you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers, you get answers. like it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You only answer questions that provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to boost your own ego. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? now you get to back up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusation. Go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead, make my day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fawning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow up to that from xeno, but nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from clocky?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you want an example question that proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the thread "May need to buy petrol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon" Oct 7 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You assert to another poster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either he proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it or he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given your assertion above that "He asserts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then asked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified for which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided or found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your response:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated, "yes" was the only answer you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You then went on to evade answering the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Keith :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>> If there is only one course of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>> option - basic logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>    >>>>> We will just call this Keef's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paradox :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fill your boots you can, and based on past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will, believe anything that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are your own words and prove you dodge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack integrity. That's a problem for you,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'whatever' doesn't cut it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It cuts it for me, if it doesn't for you then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, it's your problem because you are being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrational and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical and dishonest as clocky proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in your tiny mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup according to logic and reason as clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enunciated above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Clocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that is what you want to believe then go ahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it because it's true. iow a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe it because that is what you want to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup it's a fact that you " dodge questions and lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven by Clocky above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truthiness again, that's what you want to believe. Enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private little wonderland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok I'll play your silly game. prove the fault in Clockies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll wait..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that "Noddys Automotive" never existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not up to anyone to prove the negative, it's up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NoddyLiar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove the positive since he made the claim(s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep and your little group are asserting that "Noddys
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Automotive" didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> exist, you have provided no proof of that claim therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>> You are being obtuse and idiotic to the point of being Not
>>>>>>>>>>>> Worth Reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's an understatement.
>>>>>>>>>>> He's now arguing against his own argument FFS.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Like Bart Simpson, write this out a hundred times. "FRAUDSTER
>>>>>>>>>>>> MADE THE
>>>>>>>>>>>> CLAIM. THE ONUS IS ON HIM TO PROVE IT."
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>> Believe what you want clocky, history shows that you will
>>>>>>>>>> believe whatever is convenient to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> your posting history shows you will run and dodge when confronted
>>>>>>>>> with sound argument that negates what you say. maybe your
>>>>>>>>> intellect is not as big as you believe it to be. maybe it's just
>>>>>>>>> 'little'..
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have yet to see a "Sound argument" in this place.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ah yes.. your usual cop out whenever you are challenged or
>>>>>>> criticised.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (I accidentally deleted the original of this post but here's the
>>>>>>> text)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> Interestingly, apparently grumpy is a stalker for
>>>>>>> checking out
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> what people have said in other NGs, but xeno isn't for
>>>>>>> trawling
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> through record offices looking for something to hang on
>>>>>>> noddy,
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> don't you detect a wiff of hypocrisy there?
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> Hardly trawling. Register online at PROV (I've been
>>>>>>> registered
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> for 35+ years), look up apprentice records, pick the
>>>>>>> archive
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> wanted, order it out, drop in to PROV and check it
>>>>>>> out. The
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> entire process *at PROV* takes no time at all - mere
>>>>>>> minutes in
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> fact. Really easy if a trade registration number is
>>>>>>> given. I
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> used to do the lookups *for the college* back in the days
>>>>>>> when a
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> former apprentice wanted to have a go at completing his
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> apprenticeship, in most cases where they had completed
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> time but not their college work hence failed to receive
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> certificate of proficiency. When a record isn't on the
>>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> database, one gets suspicious of claims made since *all*
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> automotive records for every automotive trade are
>>>>>>> maintained
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> online at the ITC since 1978-80. The only other place
>>>>>>> records
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> are kept is PROV and said records are a *final
>>>>>>> recourse* for
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> people wanting to, say, replace a lost certificate. If
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> records aren't there at PROV, then they don't exist as
>>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> the government is concerned. No records exist in Darren's
>>>>>>> name
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> *anywhere*. He can feel free to prove me wrong any
>>>>>>> time he
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> likes. ;-)
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> well said! (little felix squeaked) keefy apparently has no
>>>>>>> prob
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> with ppl claiming qualifications they don't have, trading
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> deception and duping their customers.
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>> I've never claimed any qualifications at all. However, you
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>   >>>>>> implied that you do have some
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>> no I have not implied that I have some I have stated that
>>>>>>> I do.
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>> but don't even reveal what they are.
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>> they're not relevant to posting here
>>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>> Very relevant when you are demanding that others reveal
>>>>>>> theirs
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>> as I've seen explained to you more than once, noddy is
>>>>>>> proffering
>>>>>>>   >>> knowledge on automotive matters in a cars newsgroup on the
>>>>>>> basis of
>>>>>>>   >>> being a qualified motor mechanic. ppl here who are that, have
>>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>>   >>> doubt he is since he's been wrong, and given bad advice, on
>>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>>>   >>> occasions. in fact Xeno has stated he cannot be qualified
>>>>>>> since
>>>>>>>   >>> there's no registration number in his name in the relevant
>>>>>>> govt data
>>>>>>>   >>> base. I've stated that any qualifications I posses are
>>>>>>> irrelevant to
>>>>>>>   >>> automotive matters, and further I have no qualifications
>>>>>>> that are
>>>>>>>   >>> relevant, and only speak from personal experience working on
>>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>>   >>> cars. and no one is 'demanding' that noddy 'reveals' any
>>>>>>>   >>> qualifications, only that he proves those he claims he has,
>>>>>>> and for
>>>>>>>   >>> the reasons I've just given.
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>> That's convenient so that your claims cannot be tested.
>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>>> they don't need to be. you're free to believe what I say or
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>> Just as you are free to believe or not others claims, but
>>>>>>> it is
>>>>>>>   >>>> total hypocrisy to demand from others that which you aren't
>>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>>   >>>> to do yourself.
>>>>>>>   >>>>
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>> see above reply
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >>>
>>>>>>>   >> Total cop-out - you're still a little hypocrite.
>>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>>   > bullshit. you can't admit I'm right in what I said. and I see
>>>>>>> I'm
>>>>>>>   > 'little' again. you're an idiot. you'd rather support a fraud
>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>   > maintain your integrity. and btw care to cite where I've
>>>>>>> *demanded* that
>>>>>>>   > he prove he's qualified? and btw, since you seem to be
>>>>>>> intellectually
>>>>>>>   > challenged these days, asking someone *why* they won't do
>>>>>>> something, and
>>>>>>>   > discussing why they don't or haven't done it, is *not* demanding
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>   > they do it. my phone was charging the other day, and i sent a
>>>>>>> text from
>>>>>>>   > my old phone to a friend. they didn't recognize the number,
>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>   > reply came back "who is this? I demand to know right now!"
>>>>>>> that's an
>>>>>>>   > example of a demand, just so you know what a demand actually is.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You're a very angry little
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** oh I'm 'little' again, or is it still?
>>>>>> Still
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> man peter,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** rubbish. you call that angry? with apologies to John Paul Jones
>>>>>>> let me say.. "I have not yet begun to be angry"
>>>>>> Oooh scary.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you need to chill out and not take some irrelevant news group so
>>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** so as usual you have not addressed anything I said, just run
>>>>>>> away..
>>>>>> You don't have anything substantive to address.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
>>>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
>>>>>>> you just run away!
>>>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
>>>>>
>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>>> seriously,
>>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>> You realise that, apu, it's bullshit.
>>
>> keith is, apu, predictably trying the olde, "Har har! I was only joking!"
>> escape line. He came, he saw, he got pummelled.
>>
>
> you're right! I'm not really up to the task of dealing with deceitful,
> dishonest, and duplicitous ppl. I'm a straight up guy and don't play
> silly games. what you see is what you get. I just tell it as it is or
> how i see it.

On 28/2/22 07:53, Noddy wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 12:51 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> cute remarks never defeat rationality. and don't concern yourself
>>> about me coming back for more. I have his number now.
>>
>> Really. It doesn't seem to add up.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> Arguments about "rationality" from a bloke who thinks that CGI generated
> animations of trucks in a game are *real* is about as funny as it gets.
> The man is as dumb as a fence post and is out of his depth on *any*
> subject yet will insist on arguing.
>
> That's the height of stupidity right there.

The height of stupidity, Darren, is you claiming 2 trade qualifications
whilst not once realising that they are awarded linked to unique
numbers, numbers unique to the trade and unique to the person who earnt
them. That, as is patently obvious, would not be you since you didn't
even qualify for an apprenticeship in the first place. You can't even
dummy up a couple of certificates since they can be easily verified.

--
Xeno

On 28/2/22 10:55, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 9:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 28/02/2022 8:35 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:51:38 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a
>>>>> brain,
>>>>> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
>>>> I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
>>> Congratulations Gumps! You are now the official WR holder for
>>> contradicting
>>> yourself in the fewest words!
>>>
>>>> I'm the most honest person you know.
>>> You don't mean "person", you mean "troll".
>>>
>>> Anyhoo felix... if you keep biting, they'll keep trolling.
>>>
>>> Besides, there is absolutely no point. University studies show that The
>>> Fraudster has failed to present one particle of proof (still) and that
>>> keith has, completely expectedly, tripped over his ego and
>>> faceplanted into
>>> the Caboolture mud. They've all conceded, so all you/we need to do
>>> now is
>>> to give the pot a gentle, occassional stir and let the sinners simmer
>>> until
>>> they reduce to nothing. And judging by some of their recent dismal
>>> performances it can't be long now!
>>>
>>
>> yes indeed. the haters have pretty much destroyed this ng now. they're
>> only here to amuse themselves at others expense.
>
> Very true, I'm glad that you admit it, you and your mates have pretty
> well destroyed the NG.
>
This newsgroup was well on the way to hell long before felix turned up
here. Been going downhill for 20 years or more. How long has Darren been
here? About the same span of time? Coincidence much?

--
Xeno

On 28/02/2022 10:31 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 28/2/22 10:55, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 28/02/2022 9:05 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 28/02/2022 8:35 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sun, 27 Feb 2022 23:51:38 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 11:37 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> you really are a first class dickhead. if you had at least half a
>>>>>> brain,
>>>>>> and any honesty, you would see that he has done nothing of the sort.
>>>>> I have a very good brain which is why I can see he has whipped you.
>>>> Congratulations Gumps! You are now the official WR holder for
>>>> contradicting
>>>> yourself in the fewest words!
>>>>
>>>>> I'm the most honest person you know.
>>>> You don't mean "person", you mean "troll".
>>>>
>>>> Anyhoo felix... if you keep biting, they'll keep trolling.
>>>>
>>>> Besides, there is absolutely no point. University studies show that The
>>>> Fraudster has failed to present one particle of proof (still) and that
>>>> keith has, completely expectedly, tripped over his ego and
>>>> faceplanted into
>>>> the Caboolture mud. They've all conceded, so all you/we need to do
>>>> now is
>>>> to give the pot a gentle, occassional stir and let the sinners
>>>> simmer until
>>>> they reduce to nothing. And judging by some of their recent dismal
>>>> performances it can't be long now!
>>>>
>>>
>>> yes indeed. the haters have pretty much destroyed this ng now.
>>> they're only here to amuse themselves at others expense.
>>
>> Very true, I'm glad that you admit it, you and your mates have pretty
>> well destroyed the NG.
>>
> This newsgroup was well on the way to hell long before felix turned up
> here. Been going downhill for 20 years or more. How long has Darren been
> here? About the same span of time? Coincidence much?
>
And about the same as you've been here too.

On 28/02/2022 11:52 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 10:31 am, Xeno wrote:

>> This newsgroup was well on the way to hell long before felix turned up
>> here. Been going downhill for 20 years or more. How long has Darren
>> been here? About the same span of time? Coincidence much?
>>
> And about the same as you've been here too.

This group took a nose dive once "Krypsis" arrived on the scene and set
about spreading his bullshit far and wide. It took a *massive* plunge to
the bottom of the abyss once "Xenolith" appeared claiming that he wasn't
Krypsis, and set about spreading his fake experience far and wide
supported by imaginary friends who he conveniently just happened to have
in any particular field you may be talking about.

Particularly those ones he hadn't had any contact with in decades but he
could call up and get whatever information he liked from them in the
midst of some ridiculous argument going on around here :)

Prior to this pole smoking cunt of a thing being chased out of other
groups and infecting this one, this place was relatively happy with a
good string of regulars.

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On 28/02/2022 10:57 am, keithr0 wrote:

> Then why are you always praising alvey the biggest troll in the NG.

Keith, for fuck's sake. Learn to snip. You don't need to repost 500
lines of bullshit *just* to add one sentence.

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On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 1:42 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 12:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:28:01 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 1:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 4:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 5:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:04 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 5:34 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 3:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 12:22 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 6:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 1:32 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah]", but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I *do* expect answers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone makes. Whether you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers, you get answers. like it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You only answer questions that provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to boost your own ego. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? now you get to back up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusation. Go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead, make my day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a fawning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow up to that from xeno, but nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from clocky?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you want an example question that proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the thread "May need to buy petrol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon" Oct 7 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You assert to another poster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either he proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it or he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given your assertion above that "He asserts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then asked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified for which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided or found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your response:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated, "yes" was the only answer you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You then went on to evade answering the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> If there is only one course of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> option - basic logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> We will just call this Keef's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paradox :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fill your boots you can, and based on past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will, believe anything that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are your own words and prove you dodge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack integrity. That's a problem for you, not me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'whatever' doesn't cut it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It cuts it for me, if it doesn't for you then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, it's your problem because you are being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrational and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical and dishonest as clocky proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in your tiny mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup according to logic and reason as clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enunciated above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Clocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that is what you want to believe then go ahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it because it's true. iow a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe it because that is what you want to believe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup it's a fact that you " dodge questions and lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven by Clocky above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truthiness again, that's what you want to believe. Enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private little wonderland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok I'll play your silly game. prove the fault in Clockies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll wait..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that "Noddys Automotive" never existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not up to anyone to prove the negative, it's up to
>>>>>>>>>>>> NoddyLiar to
>>>>>>>>>>>> prove the positive since he made the claim(s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You said it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yep and your little group are asserting that "Noddys
>>>>>>>>>>> Automotive" didn't
>>>>>>>>>>> exist, you have provided no proof of that claim therefore you
>>>>>>>>>>> are lying.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You are being obtuse and idiotic to the point of being Not
>>>>>>>>>> Worth Reading.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's an understatement.
>>>>>>>>> He's now arguing against his own argument FFS.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Like Bart Simpson, write this out a hundred times. "FRAUDSTER
>>>>>>>>>> MADE THE
>>>>>>>>>> CLAIM. THE ONUS IS ON HIM TO PROVE IT."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Believe what you want clocky, history shows that you will
>>>>>>>> believe whatever is convenient to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> your posting history shows you will run and dodge when confronted
>>>>>>> with sound argument that negates what you say. maybe your
>>>>>>> intellect is not as big as you believe it to be. maybe it's just
>>>>>>> 'little'..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have yet to see a "Sound argument" in this place.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ah yes.. your usual cop out whenever you are challenged or criticised.
>>>>>
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>> (I accidentally deleted the original of this post but here's the text)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> Interestingly, apparently grumpy is a stalker for
>>>>> checking out
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> what people have said in other NGs, but xeno isn't for
>>>>> trawling
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> through record offices looking for something to hang on
>>>>> noddy,
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> don't you detect a wiff of hypocrisy there?
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> Hardly trawling. Register online at PROV (I've been
>>>>> registered
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> for 35+ years), look up apprentice records, pick the archive
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> wanted, order it out, drop in to PROV and check it out. The
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> entire process *at PROV* takes no time at all - mere
>>>>> minutes in
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> fact. Really easy if a trade registration number is given. I
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> used to do the lookups *for the college* back in the days
>>>>> when a
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> former apprentice wanted to have a go at completing his
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> apprenticeship, in most cases where they had completed their
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> time but not their college work hence failed to receive
>>>>> their
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> certificate of proficiency. When a record isn't on the
>>>>> computer
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> database, one gets suspicious of claims made since *all*
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> automotive records for every automotive trade are maintained
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> online at the ITC since 1978-80. The only other place
>>>>> records
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> are kept is PROV and said records are a *final recourse* for
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> people wanting to, say, replace a lost certificate. If the
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> records aren't there at PROV, then they don't exist as
>>>>> far as
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> the government is concerned. No records exist in Darren's
>>>>> name
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> *anywhere*. He can feel free to prove me wrong any time he
>>>>>  >>>>>>>> likes. ;-)
>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>>> well said! (little felix squeaked) keefy apparently has no
>>>>> prob
>>>>>  >>>>>>> with ppl claiming qualifications they don't have, trading
>>>>> with
>>>>>  >>>>>>> deception and duping their customers.
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> I've never claimed any qualifications at all. However, you
>>>>> have
>>>>>  >>>>>> implied that you do have some
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> no I have not implied that I have some I have stated that I do.
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> but don't even reveal what they are.
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> they're not relevant to posting here
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Very relevant when you are demanding that others reveal theirs
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> as I've seen explained to you more than once, noddy is proffering
>>>>>  >>> knowledge on automotive matters in a cars newsgroup on the
>>>>> basis of
>>>>>  >>> being a qualified motor mechanic. ppl here who are that, have
>>>>> raised
>>>>>  >>> doubt he is since he's been wrong, and given bad advice, on
>>>>> numerous
>>>>>  >>> occasions. in fact Xeno has stated he cannot be qualified since
>>>>>  >>> there's no registration number in his name in the relevant
>>>>> govt data
>>>>>  >>> base. I've stated that any qualifications I posses are
>>>>> irrelevant to
>>>>>  >>> automotive matters, and further I have no qualifications that are
>>>>>  >>> relevant, and only speak from personal experience working on
>>>>> my own
>>>>>  >>> cars. and no one is 'demanding' that noddy 'reveals' any
>>>>>  >>> qualifications, only that he proves those he claims he has,
>>>>> and for
>>>>>  >>> the reasons I've just given.
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>> That's convenient so that your claims cannot be tested.
>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>  >>>>> they don't need to be. you're free to believe what I say or
>>>>> not.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>> Just as you are free to believe or not others claims, but it is
>>>>>  >>>> total hypocrisy to demand from others that which you aren't
>>>>> willing
>>>>>  >>>> to do yourself.
>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>> see above reply
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>  >> Total cop-out - you're still a little hypocrite.
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  >
>>>>>  > bullshit. you can't admit I'm right in what I said. and I see I'm
>>>>>  > 'little' again. you're an idiot. you'd rather support a fraud than
>>>>>  > maintain your integrity. and btw care to cite where I've
>>>>> *demanded* that
>>>>>  > he prove he's qualified? and btw, since you seem to be
>>>>> intellectually
>>>>>  > challenged these days, asking someone *why* they won't do
>>>>> something, and
>>>>>  > discussing why they don't or haven't done it, is *not* demanding
>>>>> that
>>>>>  > they do it. my phone was charging the other day, and i sent a
>>>>> text from
>>>>>  > my old phone to a friend. they didn't recognize the number, and the
>>>>>  > reply came back "who is this? I demand to know right now!"
>>>>> that's an
>>>>>  > example of a demand, just so you know what a demand actually is.
>>>>>
>>>>> You're a very angry little
>>>>>
>>>>> ** oh I'm 'little' again, or is it still?
>>>>
>>>> Still
>>>>
>>>>> man peter,
>>>>>
>>>>> ** rubbish. you call that angry? with apologies to John Paul Jones
>>>>> let me say.. "I have not yet begun to be angry"
>>>>
>>>> Oooh scary.
>>>>
>>>>> you need to chill out and not take some irrelevant news group so
>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** so as usual you have not addressed anything I said, just run away..
>>>>
>>>> You don't have anything substantive to address.
>>>>
>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
>>>>>
>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
>>>>> you just run away!
>>>>
>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
>>>
>>>
>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>> riff raff.
>>>
>>>
>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this seriously,
>
>
> oh i do realise it.. now.
>
>
>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>
>
> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been wasting
> ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant arsehole,
> and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>
>

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 12:25:07 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 28/02/2022 10:57 am, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> Then why are you always praising alvey the biggest troll in the NG.
>
> Keith, for fuck's sake. Learn to snip. You don't need to repost 500
> lines of bullshit *just* to add one sentence.

You mean, "...just to add one line of bullshit."

Now here's a few lines of medical grade, 100% pure bullshit to reflect on.

"Last year I think I bought 6 brand new cars. Maybe 7. I have a pretty good
knack of being able to buy and sell and do very good deals, and I generally
don't mind doing it for people as I get a spotters fee out of it which is
usually around 200 bucks for an hour's work. Fraudster, 31Jan18.

Anyone who believed this is as nuts as Fraudster.

alvey

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On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>> riff raff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>> seriously,
>>
>>
>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>
>>
>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>
>>
>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>
>>
>
> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>
>

whatever. but yeah, you're right no doubt. anyhoo i'll never treat him
with respect or take him seriously again, if he's just gonna play silly
bugger games. he's done his dash as far as I'm concerned. not that he
cares I'm sure.

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"He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>> riff raff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>> seriously,
>>
>>
>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>
>>
>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>
>>
>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>
>>
>
> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>
>

he learnt it from jonz  :)

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 1:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:22 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 3:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 1:42 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 12:17 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 10:48 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 6:41 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, 26 Feb 2022 14:28:01 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 22/02/2022 1:17 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:04 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 4:56 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 5:14 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 3:30 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 12:06 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:50 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 21/02/2022 9:04 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 8:15 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 5:34 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 3:41 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 12:22 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 6:24 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 20/02/2022 1:32 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> blah]", but
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I *do* expect answers to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone makes. Whether you can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> difference there.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you give
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> answers, you get answers. like it or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leave it the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> choice is yours.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You only answer questions that provide
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you with an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opportunity to boost your own ego. You
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Really? now you get to back up the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> accusation. Go
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ahead, make my day.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and a fawning
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> follow up to that from xeno, but nothing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from clocky?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Odd that.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Oh you want an example question that proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here's one:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from the thread "May need to buy petrol
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> soon" Oct 7 2021
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You assert to another poster:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> either he proves
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it or he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proof doesn't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mean the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Given your assertion above that "He asserts
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I then asked:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> claiming he is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> qualified for which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> provided or found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your response:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> had just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> stated, "yes" was the only answer you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have given
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You then went on to evade answering the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> question as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seen below.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> If there is only one course of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> action available
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then there are no
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> option - basic logic.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>   >>>>> We will just call this Keef's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paradox :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Fill your boots you can, and based on past
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will, believe anything that you want.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> They are your own words and prove you dodge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> questions and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> lack integrity. That's a problem for you, not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'whatever' doesn't cut it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It cuts it for me, if it doesn't for you then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that's your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> problem.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no, it's your problem because you are being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> irrational and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illogical and dishonest as clocky proved
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Only in your tiny mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup according to logic and reason as clearly
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enunciated above
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by Clocky
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If that is what you want to believe then go ahead.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I believe it because it's true. iow a fact.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You believe it because that is what you want to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> believe - see
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> truthiness.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nup it's a fact that you " dodge questions and lack
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity" as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven by Clocky above.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Truthiness again, that's what you want to believe. Enjoy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> private little wonderland.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ok I'll play your silly game. prove the fault in Clockies
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reasoning.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'll wait..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Prove that "Noddys Automotive" never existed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> It's not up to anyone to prove the negative, it's up to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> NoddyLiar to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> prove the positive since he made the claim(s).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You said it yourself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yep and your little group are asserting that "Noddys
>>>>>>>>>>>> Automotive" didn't
>>>>>>>>>>>> exist, you have provided no proof of that claim therefore
>>>>>>>>>>>> you are lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You are being obtuse and idiotic to the point of being Not
>>>>>>>>>>> Worth Reading.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's an understatement.
>>>>>>>>>> He's now arguing against his own argument FFS.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Like Bart Simpson, write this out a hundred times. "FRAUDSTER
>>>>>>>>>>> MADE THE
>>>>>>>>>>> CLAIM. THE ONUS IS ON HIM TO PROVE IT."
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> keith on the 7 Oct 2021 wrote;
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "He asserts that the claim is true, so, if
>>>>>>>>>> it is unproven, he is lying."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Believe what you want clocky, history shows that you will
>>>>>>>>> believe whatever is convenient to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> your posting history shows you will run and dodge when
>>>>>>>> confronted with sound argument that negates what you say. maybe
>>>>>>>> your intellect is not as big as you believe it to be. maybe it's
>>>>>>>> just 'little'..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have yet to see a "Sound argument" in this place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ah yes.. your usual cop out whenever you are challenged or
>>>>>> criticised.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (I accidentally deleted the original of this post but here's the
>>>>>> text)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> Interestingly, apparently grumpy is a stalker for
>>>>>> checking out
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> what people have said in other NGs, but xeno isn't for
>>>>>> trawling
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> through record offices looking for something to hang on
>>>>>> noddy,
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>> don't you detect a wiff of hypocrisy there?
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> Hardly trawling. Register online at PROV (I've been
>>>>>> registered
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> for 35+ years), look up apprentice records, pick the
>>>>>> archive
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> wanted, order it out, drop in to PROV and check it out. The
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> entire process *at PROV* takes no time at all - mere
>>>>>> minutes in
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> fact. Really easy if a trade registration number is
>>>>>> given. I
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> used to do the lookups *for the college* back in the
>>>>>> days when a
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> former apprentice wanted to have a go at completing his
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> apprenticeship, in most cases where they had completed
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> time but not their college work hence failed to receive
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> certificate of proficiency. When a record isn't on the
>>>>>> computer
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> database, one gets suspicious of claims made since *all*
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> automotive records for every automotive trade are
>>>>>> maintained
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> online at the ITC since 1978-80. The only other place
>>>>>> records
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> are kept is PROV and said records are a *final recourse*
>>>>>> for
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> people wanting to, say, replace a lost certificate. If the
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> records aren't there at PROV, then they don't exist as
>>>>>> far as
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> the government is concerned. No records exist in
>>>>>> Darren's name
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> *anywhere*. He can feel free to prove me wrong any time he
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>> likes. ;-)
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> well said! (little felix squeaked) keefy apparently has
>>>>>> no prob
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> with ppl claiming qualifications they don't have, trading
>>>>>> with
>>>>>>  >>>>>>> deception and duping their customers.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> I've never claimed any qualifications at all. However, you
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>  >>>>>> implied that you do have some
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> no I have not implied that I have some I have stated that I
>>>>>> do.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> but don't even reveal what they are.
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> they're not relevant to posting here
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> Very relevant when you are demanding that others reveal theirs
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> as I've seen explained to you more than once, noddy is
>>>>>> proffering
>>>>>>  >>> knowledge on automotive matters in a cars newsgroup on the
>>>>>> basis of
>>>>>>  >>> being a qualified motor mechanic. ppl here who are that, have
>>>>>> raised
>>>>>>  >>> doubt he is since he's been wrong, and given bad advice, on
>>>>>> numerous
>>>>>>  >>> occasions. in fact Xeno has stated he cannot be qualified since
>>>>>>  >>> there's no registration number in his name in the relevant
>>>>>> govt data
>>>>>>  >>> base. I've stated that any qualifications I posses are
>>>>>> irrelevant to
>>>>>>  >>> automotive matters, and further I have no qualifications that
>>>>>> are
>>>>>>  >>> relevant, and only speak from personal experience working on
>>>>>> my own
>>>>>>  >>> cars. and no one is 'demanding' that noddy 'reveals' any
>>>>>>  >>> qualifications, only that he proves those he claims he has,
>>>>>> and for
>>>>>>  >>> the reasons I've just given.
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>> That's convenient so that your claims cannot be tested.
>>>>>>  >>>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>>
>>>>>>  >>>>> they don't need to be. you're free to believe what I say or
>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>> Just as you are free to believe or not others claims, but it is
>>>>>>  >>>> total hypocrisy to demand from others that which you aren't
>>>>>> willing
>>>>>>  >>>> to do yourself.
>>>>>>  >>>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>> see above reply
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >>>
>>>>>>  >> Total cop-out - you're still a little hypocrite.
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  >
>>>>>>  > bullshit. you can't admit I'm right in what I said. and I see I'm
>>>>>>  > 'little' again. you're an idiot. you'd rather support a fraud than
>>>>>>  > maintain your integrity. and btw care to cite where I've
>>>>>> *demanded* that
>>>>>>  > he prove he's qualified? and btw, since you seem to be
>>>>>> intellectually
>>>>>>  > challenged these days, asking someone *why* they won't do
>>>>>> something, and
>>>>>>  > discussing why they don't or haven't done it, is *not*
>>>>>> demanding that
>>>>>>  > they do it. my phone was charging the other day, and i sent a
>>>>>> text from
>>>>>>  > my old phone to a friend. they didn't recognize the number, and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>>  > reply came back "who is this? I demand to know right now!"
>>>>>> that's an
>>>>>>  > example of a demand, just so you know what a demand actually is.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You're a very angry little
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** oh I'm 'little' again, or is it still?
>>>>>
>>>>> Still
>>>>>
>>>>>> man peter,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** rubbish. you call that angry? with apologies to John Paul Jones
>>>>>> let me say.. "I have not yet begun to be angry"
>>>>>
>>>>> Oooh scary.
>>>>>
>>>>>> you need to chill out and not take some irrelevant news group so
>>>>>> seriously.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** so as usual you have not addressed anything I said, just run
>>>>>> away..
>>>>>
>>>>> You don't have anything substantive to address.
>>>>>
>>>>>> You and the other horsemen of the apocalypse are so bound up in
>>>>>> your own righteousness that no other opinion can be considered.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ** not at all I offer sound argument again expressed opinion but
>>>>>> you just run away!
>>>>>
>>>>> "Sound argument" is a matter of opinion - yours alone.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>> riff raff.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>> seriously,
>>
>>
>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>
>>
>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>
>>
>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>
>>
>
> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll pretend
> I did it on purpose" routine.
>
>
Not sure which world you are inhabiting, but it sure ain't the earth.

On 28/02/2022 1:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> whatever. but yeah, you're right no doubt. anyhoo i'll never treat him
> with respect or take him seriously again, if he's just gonna play silly
> bugger games. he's done his dash as far as I'm concerned. not that he
> cares I'm sure.

I've treated you with all the respect that you deserve, unfortunately
that doesn't amount to much.

On 28/02/2022 12:13 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>>> seriously,
>>>
>>>
>>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>>
>>>
>>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
>> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>>
>>
>
> he learnt it from jonz  :)
>

It's never worked for him either.

On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:57:02 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>>> seriously,
>>>
>>>
>>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>>
>>>
>>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>>
>>>
>>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
>> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>>
>>
>
> whatever. but yeah, you're right no doubt. anyhoo i'll never treat him
> with respect or take him seriously again, if he's just gonna play silly
> bugger games. he's done his dash as far as I'm concerned. not that he
> cares I'm sure.

lol! Isn't sarcasm great!
However, keith does care deeply that his towering intellect, scalpel sharp
wit and Lifetime Awards to Whatever haven't been given the recognition and
adulation which he believes they deserve. Bit like the Fraudster really,
only without the grandiose lies and schoolboy abuse. But he makes up for
that short-coming by his near-total reliance on cliches and awesome
predictability.

Poor keith. Forgotten, but not gone.

alvey

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On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 15:13:45 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
> > On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
> >>>> riff raff.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
> >>> seriously,
> >>
> >>
> >> oh i do realise it.. now.
> >>
> >>
> >>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
> >>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
> >>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
> >>
> >>
> >> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
> >> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
> >> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
> > pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
> >
> >
> he learnt it from jonz :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Drum rollllll.......
Windscreens O'Ticcy and felix the dumb, what a combo., tag team of the year :)))
Keep up the good work girls, yer going swimmingly... <Chuckle>

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> "His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
> the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
> "He came, he saw, he got pummelled" - Alvey on Keefy
> "His self serving ego pumping comments just
> read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 28/02/2022 6:41 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:57:02 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>>>> seriously,
>>>>
>>>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>>>
>>>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>>>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>>>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
>>> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>>>
>>>
>> whatever. but yeah, you're right no doubt. anyhoo i'll never treat him
>> with respect or take him seriously again, if he's just gonna play silly
>> bugger games. he's done his dash as far as I'm concerned. not that he
>> cares I'm sure.
> lol! Isn't sarcasm great!
>
> However, keith does care deeply that his towering intellect, scalpel sharp
> wit and Lifetime Awards to Whatever haven't been given the recognition and
> adulation which he believes they deserve. Bit like the Fraudster really,
> only without the grandiose lies and schoolboy abuse. But he makes up for
> that short-coming by his near-total reliance on cliches and awesome
> predictability.
>
> Poor keith. Forgotten, but not gone.
>
>
> alvey
>
>

well said!

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On 1/03/2022 9:55 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 28/02/2022 6:41 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 14:57:02 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 28/02/2022 2:13 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2022 9:57 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 27/02/2022 11:31 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2022 8:06 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you're a joke. you belong with jonz, the fraudster, and the other
>>>>>>> riff raff.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing that you don't realise is that I don't take all this
>>>>>> seriously,
>>>>>
>>>>> oh i do realise it.. now.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> it's just entertainment. I don't care if alvey writes stupid little
>>>>>> epithets, you stamp your foot in petulance, or clocky questions my
>>>>>> sanity, it's all just fun watching other's stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>> thanks for having the decency at least to admit you've just been
>>>>> wasting ppls time, and that you're a pretentious conceited arrogant
>>>>> arsehole, and fuck you for treating us with contempt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> No felix, it's his "I just had my dumb arse handed to me so I'll
>>>> pretend I did it on purpose" routine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> whatever. but yeah, you're right no doubt. anyhoo i'll never treat him
>>> with respect or take him seriously again, if he's just gonna play silly
>>> bugger games. he's done his dash as far as I'm concerned. not that he
>>> cares I'm sure.
>> lol! Isn't sarcasm great!
>> However, keith does care deeply that his towering intellect, scalpel
>> sharp
>> wit and Lifetime Awards to Whatever haven't been given the recognition
>> and
>> adulation which he believes they deserve. Bit like the Fraudster really,
>> only without the grandiose lies and schoolboy abuse. But he makes up for
>> that short-coming by his near-total reliance on cliches and awesome
>> predictability.
>>
>> Poor keith. Forgotten, but not gone.
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
>
>
> well said!
>
>
Jolly good show sir, a devastating denouement if ever I saw one, the
little troll is to be congratulated </irony>