On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 23:40:21 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>
>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>> answers to
>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>> you can
>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>
>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>
> That's not how it works. At least not for Alvey. He thinks he's
> something special and is entitled to whatever foot stamping demands he
> makes being answered immediately.
>
> Some people are delusional beyond belief :)

You certainly are Fraudster.

So when are you going to put those Year 9 certs up champ? Or should I add
them to the ever-growing list of claims you've made but refuse to
substantiate?

alvey
What part of the burden of proof lying with the one who makes the claim
do you not understand? Fraudster, 03May18

Your claim. You get to prove it. Fraudster, 02Jun18

It may come as a shock to you to learn, but when someone makes a claim
the onus falls on them to "prove" it if it is to be accepted as "true".
Fraudster, 25Mar16

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On 17/02/2022 8:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:

>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>
> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>
>> So where has the other keith gone?
>
> More to the point, where has the other clocky gone.

He's been missing in action for a *long* time.

> There used to be one who was fairly cheerful, now the one that we
> have here is morose and obsessed with just one thing. The old clocky
> certainly wouldn't have thrown his lot in with a useless little troll
> like alvey.

Apparently he doesn't learn from his mistakes all that well, as in
previous times of hitching his pony up to Clasener's wandering
*bullshit* caravan he was shown to be unequivocally wrong in doing so
and was *so* profoundly embarrassed that he apologised unreservedly and
offered to leave the group.

Since then he's done nothing but have it in for me, and I suspect _part_
of that angst is malice in defeat. But I also think that a fair degree
of his daily "I hate Noddy" ritual stems from penis envy. I'm retired,
have a nice comfortable life, own my own well equipped workshop where I
get to do whatever I want whenever I feel like it and don't have to
answer to anyone, whereas he gets up every morning and goes to work in
his worn out heap of shit ute where he fits mudflaps and snorkels to
vehicles destined for mine work while trying to bang on about how much
of an incredibly brilliant "licensed" mechanic he is.

And we've all seen just how "brilliant" his mechanical knowledge is with
things as basic as his comments about ECU resets :)

The really bizarre thing about all of this is that I've done *nothing*
to deserve any of this angst from him other than just be here and
comment like anyone else. The problem is that he sees himself as the
Sheriff of Nottingham and thinks that no one else should be able to show
that they've done more than he has otherwise his inferiority complex
goes into overdrive and he starts his attacks. He shares this trait with
Clasener, but where they differ is that while Clasener is content to
throw up *any* kind of nonsensical bullshit to try to cover his arse
when he's called on it ("Deleted posts" anyone?), Jerky Jerkoff
immediately turns into the world's biggest soft cock and plays the
victim card *so* bad you'd think you were at a war crimes trial.

The bloke is a fucking *idiot*, but then there is no other logical
conclusion you can reach given that his best friend around here is the
very guy he decided to "investigate" for his incessant bullshit.

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On 18/02/2022 10:12 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>
>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>>
>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>>
>>> So where has the other keith gone?
>>
>> More to the point, where has the other clocky gone.
>
> He's been missing in action for a *long* time.
>
>> There used to be one who was fairly cheerful, now the one that we
>> have here is morose and obsessed with just one thing. The old clocky
>> certainly wouldn't have thrown his lot in with a useless little troll
>> like alvey.
>
> Apparently he doesn't learn from his mistakes all that well, as in
> previous times of hitching his pony up to Clasener's wandering
> *bullshit* caravan he was shown to be unequivocally wrong in doing so
> and was *so* profoundly embarrassed that he apologised unreservedly
> and offered to leave the group.
>
> Since then he's done nothing but have it in for me, and I suspect
> _part_ of that angst is malice in defeat. But I also think that a fair
> degree of his daily "I hate Noddy" ritual stems from penis envy. I'm
> retired, have a nice comfortable life, own my own well equipped
> workshop where I get to do whatever I want whenever I feel like it and
> don't have to answer to anyone, whereas he gets up every morning and
> goes to work in his worn out heap of shit ute where he fits mudflaps
> and snorkels to vehicles destined for mine work while trying to bang
> on about how much of an incredibly brilliant "licensed" mechanic he is.
>
> And we've all seen just how "brilliant" his mechanical knowledge is
> with things as basic as his comments about ECU resets :)
>
> The really bizarre thing about all of this is that I've done *nothing*
> to deserve any of this angst from him other than just be here and
> comment like anyone else. The problem is that he sees himself as the
> Sheriff of Nottingham and thinks that no one else should be able to
> show that they've done more than he has otherwise his inferiority
> complex goes into overdrive and he starts his attacks. He shares this
> trait with Clasener, but where they differ is that while Clasener is
> content to throw up *any* kind of nonsensical bullshit to try to cover
> his arse when he's called on it ("Deleted posts" anyone?), Jerky
> Jerkoff immediately turns into the world's biggest soft cock and plays
> the victim card *so* bad you'd think you were at a war crimes trial.
>
> The bloke is a fucking *idiot*, but then there is no other logical
> conclusion you can reach given that his best friend around here is the
> very guy he decided to "investigate" for his incessant bullshit.
>

you really are a horrible person. and I assure you without a shadow of a
doubt NO ONE here envies you. (maybe jonz) except maybe some mechanics
here would like to have your well equipped tin shed, but that's as far
as it goes.

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"His self serving ego pumping comments just
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On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>
>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>
>
> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>
>

No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)

High level languages are for amateurs anyway, hitting the metal direct
in ASM is where you find the real programmers :-)

On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>
>> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
>
> Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of BASIC)
> was right over your head.

There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.

Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
> and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
>
>> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean at
>> one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
>
> Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable of
> both logical and abstract thought.
>

What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.

Literally anyone can do that.

>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>
> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>

No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.

>> So where has the other keith gone?
>
> More to the point, where

No seriously keith, you used to post reasonable comments which at times
seemed to indicate that you were capable of reasonable and balanced
thought. Today you post juvenile rubbish, dodge questions in the most
infantile of ways, put people down in order to prop up your own
self-image and appear to lack the ability to comprehend what people are
saying a lot of the time and your comments are illogical.

You're like an empty shell of your former self and if *you* can't see
that then I think your prognosis is grim.

Not having a go, consider it a genuine concern.

On 17/2/2022 11:40 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>> answers to
>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>> you can
>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>
>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>
> That's not how it works. At least not for Alvey. He thinks he's
> something special and is entitled to whatever foot stamping demands he
> makes being answered immediately.
>
> Some people are delusional beyond belief :)
>
And you fit that *self-described* bill to a *T*!

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:12:57 +1100, Noddy wrote:

snip rubbish
>
> The really bizarre thing about all of this is that I've done *nothing*
> to deserve any of this angst from him other than just be here and
> comment like anyone else.

And this from the buffoon who slings "delusional" around like a turbo
charged sprinkler. He doesn't have the smarts to be a troll so the only
other option is that he's quite mad.

snip unread

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On 18/02/2022 7:31 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 10:12 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>>>
>>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>>>
>>>> So where has the other keith gone?
>>>
>>> More to the point, where has the other clocky gone.
>>
>> He's been missing in action for a *long* time.
>>
>>> There used to be one who was fairly cheerful, now the one that we
>>> have here is morose and obsessed with just one thing. The old clocky
>>> certainly wouldn't have thrown his lot in with a useless little troll
>>> like alvey.
>>
>> Apparently he doesn't learn from his mistakes all that well, as in
>> previous times of hitching his pony up to Clasener's wandering
>> *bullshit* caravan he was shown to be unequivocally wrong in doing so
>> and was *so* profoundly embarrassed that he apologised unreservedly
>> and offered to leave the group.
>>
>> Since then he's done nothing but have it in for me, and I suspect
>> _part_ of that angst is malice in defeat. But I also think that a fair
>> degree of his daily "I hate Noddy" ritual stems from penis envy. I'm
>> retired, have a nice comfortable life, own my own well equipped
>> workshop where I get to do whatever I want whenever I feel like it and
>> don't have to answer to anyone, whereas he gets up every morning and
>> goes to work in his worn out heap of shit ute where he fits mudflaps
>> and snorkels to vehicles destined for mine work while trying to bang
>> on about how much of an incredibly brilliant "licensed" mechanic he is.
>>
>> And we've all seen just how "brilliant" his mechanical knowledge is
>> with things as basic as his comments about ECU resets :)
>>
>> The really bizarre thing about all of this is that I've done *nothing*
>> to deserve any of this angst from him other than just be here and
>> comment like anyone else. The problem is that he sees himself as the
>> Sheriff of Nottingham and thinks that no one else should be able to
>> show that they've done more than he has otherwise his inferiority
>> complex goes into overdrive and he starts his attacks. He shares this
>> trait with Clasener, but where they differ is that while Clasener is
>> content to throw up *any* kind of nonsensical bullshit to try to cover
>> his arse when he's called on it ("Deleted posts" anyone?), Jerky
>> Jerkoff immediately turns into the world's biggest soft cock and plays
>> the victim card *so* bad you'd think you were at a war crimes trial.
>>
>> The bloke is a fucking *idiot*, but then there is no other logical
>> conclusion you can reach given that his best friend around here is the
>> very guy he decided to "investigate" for his incessant bullshit.
>>
>
> you really are a horrible person. and I assure you without a shadow of a
> doubt NO ONE here envies you. (maybe jonz) except maybe some mechanics
> here would like to have your well equipped tin shed, but that's as far
> as it goes.
>
>

Don't stress it. A string of lies from a discredited nobody can't affect
me and it shouldn't affect anyone else either.

Unlike his enablers I'm not willing to sell out my integrity to appease
a narcissistic sociopath and that enrages him as much today as it did
all those years ago when we were on friendly terms and I first dared to
question one of his stories. I proved him wrong and he has hated me for
it ever since.

Too bad.

On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>
>
>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>> answers to
>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>> you can
>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>
> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
> like it or leave it the choice is yours.

You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
integrity however, you evade those wholesale.

On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>>
>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>
>>
>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>
>>
>
> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)

well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.

>
> High level languages are for amateurs anyway, hitting the metal direct
> in ASM is where you find the real programmers  :-)

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On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> > On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
> >
> >
> >> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
> >> answers to
> >> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
> >> you can
> >> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
> >
> > Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
> > like it or leave it the choice is yours.
> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~
*INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word around as much as you do.
I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is apparently bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an over abundance of it!.
Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on numerous occasions..
Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>

On 18/02/2022 3:06 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>> answers to
>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>> you can
>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
>>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> *INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word around as much as you do.
> I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is apparently bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an over abundance of it!.
> Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
> I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on numerous occasions..
> Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>

Lol :)

He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went straight
out the fucking window.

*Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating the
same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
the door the moment they chose to do so.

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On 18/02/2022 11:24 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
>>
>> Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
>> BASIC) was right over your head.
>
>
> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.

So, do you want to give an explanation of the uses of each of those
languages, go on, Wikipedia is waiting for you. Anyway, even if it were
true, it's nothing that you don't do yourself.

> Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
>> and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
>>
>>> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean at
>>> one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
>>
>> Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable
>> of both logical and abstract thought.
>>
>
> What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.

OK, you got to make the accusation, now back it up with fact. You don't
know and cannot possibly what I do, but you go ahead and make the
accusation, that is mud slinging at its worst.

> Literally anyone can do that.

I could give you a laundry list of people around here who would be
incapable of doing even that.

>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>>
>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>>
>
> No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
> degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.

Yearh I suppose to you that any logic process that doesn't conform to
your rather twisted view has to be "Broken", that's a very arrogant view
of things and a blatant attempt at gaslighting.

>>> So where has the other keith gone?
>>
>> More to the point, where
>
> No seriously keith, you used to post reasonable comments which at times
> seemed to indicate that you were capable of reasonable and balanced
> thought. Today you post juvenile rubbish, dodge questions in the most
> infantile of ways, put people down in order to prop up your own
> self-image and appear to lack the ability to comprehend what people are
> saying a lot of the time and your comments are illogical.

When I post comments that match your agenda apparently they are
reasonable and balanced, if however I dare to post something against
your agenda, it's juvenile rubbish

> You're like an empty shell of your former self and if *you* can't see
> that then I think your prognosis is grim.

Classic gaslighting, it doesn't work on me and you should be ashamed of
how low you have got to even try it.

> Not having a go, consider it a genuine concern.

Yearh right.

On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>> answers to
>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>> you can
>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>
>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>
>
> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.

Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.

On 18/02/2022 10:54 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>>
>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>
>>
>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>
>>
>
> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>
> High level languages are for amateurs anyway, hitting the metal direct
> in ASM is where you find the real programmers  :-)

Yearh grandad real programmers who make their living at it gave that up
years ago, now it's mainly the preserve of amateur dabblers (and a few
very specialised corners of the industry)

On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>>>
>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>
>>>
>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>
>
> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.

It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers (still
is too).

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:23:03 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 18/02/2022 3:06 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>> answers to
>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>> you can
>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
>>>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> *INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word around as much as you do.
>> I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is apparently bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an over abundance of it!.
>> Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
>> I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on numerous occasions..
>> Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>
>
> Lol :)
>
> He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
> this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went straight
> out the fucking window.
>
> *Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating the
> same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
> the door the moment they chose to do so.

lol.

You've really failed to nail down his "integrity" there Fraudster. One
minute it's "out the window" and the next it's "left at the door". To be
expected I suppose. You don't have any experience with "integrity". Like
the time you claimed that Honda sent you to Japan for an introduction to
the Prelude. How we laughed.

You're hopeless Gibbens. Always have been, always will be.

alvey
“Please, don't start giving language advice. You can barely construct
coherent sentences yourself.....” Fraudster

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On 18/02/2022 3:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:24 am, Clocky wrote:

>> You're like an empty shell of your former self and if *you* can't see
>> that then I think your prognosis is grim.
>
> Classic gaslighting, it doesn't work on me and you should be ashamed of
> how low you have got to even try it.
>
>> Not having a go, consider it a genuine concern.
>
> Yearh right.

Hahahahahaha :)

That has to be *the* most patronising load of fucking *bullshit* seen
around here in ages. He's been trying (and failing) to kick you inj the
teeth all week, and *now* he wants to pat you on the back of the hand
and ask if you're okay?

I don't know how you can be this deluded, but it takes more than regular
stupid. You need special kind, and a huge dose of it.

Reminds me of this :)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0iUp8tNqRQ

"you alright mate? You want a smoke?" :)

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Noddy.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:55:39 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 18/02/2022 11:24 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
>>>
>>> Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
>>> BASIC) was right over your head.
>>
>> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
>> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.
>
> So, do you want to give an explanation of the uses of each of those
> languages, go on, Wikipedia is waiting for you. Anyway, even if it were
> true, it's nothing that you don't do yourself.
>
>> Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
>>> and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
>>>
>>>> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean at
>>>> one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
>>>
>>> Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable
>>> of both logical and abstract thought.
>>>
>>
>> What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.
>
> OK, you got to make the accusation, now back it up with fact. You don't
> know and cannot possibly what I do, but you go ahead and make the
> accusation, that is mud slinging at its worst.

Ooohhhhh no it's not!
Easily the worst kind of mud-slinging is where the slinger slings his muck
from inside Castle Chickenshit. Know anyone who does that keith?
>> Literally anyone can do that.
>
> I could give you a laundry list of people around here who would be
> incapable of doing even that.

An entirely pointless exercise.

>>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>>>
>>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>>>
>>
>> No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
>> degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.
>
> Yearh I suppose to you that any logic process that doesn't conform to
> your rather twisted view

What's "twisted" about it? From my pov the loathsome Fraudster has;
unwarrantedly abused me, told shedloads of monumental & self-glorifying
lies, been exposed even more shedloads of times as being a laughable
hypocrite, and is the most gutless coward I've ever seen on the interweb. I
cannot understand how *anyone* defends this wretched louse or, in your
"twisted" case, choose to ignore him and try to sink your gums into others
ankles.

> has to be "Broken", that's a very arrogant view
> of things and a blatant attempt at gaslighting.

Rubbish. It's not "gaslighting" at all. It's Home Truths.
And you, with your desperate, but useless obsession of trying to discover
what people *used* to do, are the very last person who should be slinging
"arrogant" around.

alvey

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On 18/02/2022 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master
>>>>>> of none?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>
>>
>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>
> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers (still
> is too).
>

it outperformed anything IBM had. it had a GUI, cut'n'paste, mouse,
while on IBM's you had to type in commands, and windows didn't exist

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On 18/02/2022 1:28 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:23:03 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2022 3:06 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
>>>>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>>>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>>>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> *INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word around as much as you do.
>>> I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is apparently bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an over abundance of it!.
>>> Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
>>> I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on numerous occasions..
>>> Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>
>>
>> Lol :)
>>
>> He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
>> this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went straight
>> out the fucking window.
>>
>> *Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating the
>> same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
>> the door the moment they chose to do so.
>
> lol.
>
> You've really failed to nail down his "integrity" there Fraudster. One
> minute it's "out the window" and the next it's "left at the door". To be
> expected I suppose. You don't have any experience with "integrity". Like
> the time you claimed that Honda sent you to Japan for an introduction to
> the Prelude. How we laughed.
>
>
> You're hopeless Gibbens. Always have been, always will be.
>

Clearly none of the FLCJC have any experience with integrity or dignity.
There are *literally* thousands of posts where the fraud is attacking
people for no reason other than they disagree with him. Nothing is off
limits and he has posted some of the vilest and mean-spirited crap
*ever* seen on usenet. I would have to throw my integrity and dignity
right out the window to support a nasty and awful character like that or
even just be complicit to it in silence and I'm not prepared to do that.

On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:56:51 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>> answers to
>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>> you can
>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>
>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>
>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>
> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.

I thought your enema did that...

alvey

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On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:48:00 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 18/02/2022 1:28 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:23:03 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/02/2022 3:06 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get answers.
>>>>>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>>>>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> *INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word around as much as you do.
>>>> I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is apparently bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an over abundance of it!.
>>>> Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
>>>> I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on numerous occasions..
>>>> Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>
>>>
>>> Lol :)
>>>
>>> He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
>>> this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went straight
>>> out the fucking window.
>>>
>>> *Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating the
>>> same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
>>> the door the moment they chose to do so.
>>
>> lol.
>>
>> You've really failed to nail down his "integrity" there Fraudster. One
>> minute it's "out the window" and the next it's "left at the door". To be
>> expected I suppose. You don't have any experience with "integrity". Like
>> the time you claimed that Honda sent you to Japan for an introduction to
>> the Prelude. How we laughed.
>>
>> You're hopeless Gibbens. Always have been, always will be.
>>
>
> Clearly none of the FLCJC have any experience with integrity or dignity.
> There are *literally* thousands of posts where the fraud is attacking
> people for no reason other than they disagree with him. Nothing is off
> limits and he has posted some of the vilest and mean-spirited crap
> *ever* seen on usenet. I would have to throw my integrity and dignity
> right out the window to support a nasty and awful character like that or
> even just be complicit to it in silence and I'm not prepared to do that.

Yep, you'd think it was a straight-forward situation. I wish that one of
The Enablers could shed some light on why they support him, but they never
have.

The explanation as to why this band of Unmerry Men support the louse lies
somewhere between a Trump voters and an anti-vaxer.

Anyhoo... I'll be here...

alvey

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On 18/02/2022 5:48 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 1:28 pm, alvey wrote:
>> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 15:23:03 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/02/2022 3:06 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 13:24:52 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>>>> answers.
>>>>>> like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>>>> boost
>>>>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>>>>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>> *INTEGRITY*, I was wondering to myself why you bandy the word
>>>> around as much as you do.
>>>>         I mean anyone with whom you have a disagreement is
>>>> apparently  bereft of such. However you seem to think?? you have an
>>>> over abundance of it!.
>>>>       Regarding Keith, everytime you take a pot-shot at him he
>>>> comes back with a machine gun. He has you on the ropes (along with
>>>> others) and it shits you!. Tough titty eh.
>>>>          I reckon *you* have had your *own* integrity questioned on
>>>> numerous occasions..
>>>>                   Is this *transferred experience*??.<BG>
>>>
>>> Lol :)
>>>
>>> He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
>>> this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went
>>> straight
>>> out the fucking window.
>>>
>>> *Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating
>>> the
>>> same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
>>> the door the moment they chose to do so.
>>
>> lol.
>>
>> You've really failed to nail down his "integrity" there Fraudster. One
>> minute it's "out the window" and the next it's "left at the door". To be
>> expected I suppose. You don't have any experience with "integrity". Like
>> the time you claimed that Honda sent you to Japan for an introduction to
>> the Prelude. How we laughed.
>>
>>
>> You're hopeless Gibbens. Always have been, always will be.
>>
>
>
> Clearly none of the FLCJC have any experience with integrity or
> dignity. There are *literally* thousands of posts where the fraud is
> attacking people for no reason other than they disagree with him.

and he attacks for no reason at all and jumps on any newcomers and tries
to bully them away

> Nothing is off limits and he has posted some of the vilest and
> mean-spirited crap *ever* seen on usenet.  I would have to throw my
> integrity and dignity right out the window to support a nasty and
> awful character like that or even just be complicit to it in silence
> and I'm not prepared to do that.
>
>

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the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 17:46:26 UTC+11, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:55:39 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
> > On 18/02/2022 11:24 am, Clocky wrote:
> >> On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
> >>>
> >>> Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
> >>> BASIC) was right over your head.
> >>
> >> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
> >> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.
> >
> > So, do you want to give an explanation of the uses of each of those
> > languages, go on, Wikipedia is waiting for you. Anyway, even if it were
> > true, it's nothing that you don't do yourself.
> >
> >> Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
> >>> and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
> >>>
> >>>> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean at
> >>>> one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
> >>>
> >>> Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable
> >>> of both logical and abstract thought.
> >>>
> >>
> >> What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
> >> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.
> >
> > OK, you got to make the accusation, now back it up with fact. You don't
> > know and cannot possibly what I do, but you go ahead and make the
> > accusation, that is mud slinging at its worst.
> Ooohhhhh no it's not!
> Easily the worst kind of mud-slinging is where the slinger slings his muck
> from inside Castle Chickenshit. Know anyone who does that keith?
> >> Literally anyone can do that.
> >
> > I could give you a laundry list of people around here who would be
> > incapable of doing even that.
> An entirely pointless exercise.
> >>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
> >>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
> >>>
> >>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
> >>>
> >>
> >> No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
> >> degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.
> >
> > Yearh I suppose to you that any logic process that doesn't conform to
> > your rather twisted view
> What's "twisted" about it? From my pov the loathsome Fraudster has;
> unwarrantedly abused me, told shedloads of monumental & self-glorifying
> lies, been exposed even more shedloads of times as being a laughable
> hypocrite, and is the most gutless coward I've ever seen on the interweb. I
> cannot understand how *anyone* defends this wretched louse or, in your
> "twisted" case, choose to ignore him and try to sink your gums into others
> ankles.
> > has to be "Broken", that's a very arrogant view
> > of things and a blatant attempt at gaslighting.
> Rubbish. It's not "gaslighting" at all. It's Home Truths.
> And you, with your desperate, but useless obsession of trying to discover
> what people *used* to do, are the very last person who should be slinging
> "arrogant" around.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Hmmm, not a mortal blow Keith, but she`s wounded, Typical *Idiot with an agenda*, A few *home truths* <G> and its blubber time.. <FBG>
(*truth* and alvira,??? Hohoho)
>
>
>
> alvey
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