On 18/2/2022 1:20 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 10:12:57 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
> snip rubbish
>>
>> The really bizarre thing about all of this is that I've done *nothing*
>> to deserve any of this angst from him other than just be here and
>> comment like anyone else.
>
> And this from the buffoon who slings "delusional" around like a turbo
> charged sprinkler. He doesn't have the smarts to be a troll so the only
> other option is that he's quite mad.
>
> snip unread
>
>
> alvey
>
Don't you think "quite mad" is understating matters somewhat? IIRC, Paul
categorised Darren as "barking mad" and that's quite a deal closer to
the mark.

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On 18/2/2022 3:23 pm, Noddy wrote:

>
> Lol :)
>
> He aligns himself with Clasener, who is the biggest shit talking moron
> this group has ever known, and in doing so his "integrity" went straight
> out the fucking window.
>
> *Anyone* who sits in this group for the express purpose of repeating the
> same old infantile shit day after day after day left their integrity at
> the door the moment they chose to do so.

You never had any integrity to speak of Darren. 20+ years of fake claims
just to big yourself? You haven't a clue what *integrity* even is, much
less what the word itself means.

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(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>>>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>
>>
>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>
> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers (still
> is too).
>

I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was given
for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any problems.
Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.

--
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On 18/2/2022 5:47 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master
>>>>>>> of none?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>
>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers (still
>> is too).
>>
>
> it outperformed anything IBM had. it had a GUI, cut'n'paste, mouse,
> while on IBM's you had to type in commands, and windows didn't exist
>
Yeah, funny how the Mac was the leader, the others merely followers.

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On 18/2/2022 5:48 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 18 Feb 2022 14:56:51 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>> answers to
>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>> you can
>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>
>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to boost
>>> your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart of your
>>> integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>
>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>
> I thought your enema did that...
>
>
> alvey
>
Lucky I wasn't taking a sip from my cup of coffee when I read that!

;-)

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On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master
>>>>>>> of none?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>
>>>
>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>
>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers (still
>> is too).
>>
>
>
> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was given
> for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any problems.
> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>
The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD in
it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I want
to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one - software and
hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a lot of that
this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of my old Window
(Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from scratch but they
have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the wardrobe unused these past
few years. Time they had some love - from someone else.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 18/02/2022 12:55 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:24 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
>>>
>>> Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
>>> BASIC) was right over your head.
>>
>>
>> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
>> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.
>
> So, do you want to give an explanation of the uses of each of those
> languages, go on, Wikipedia is waiting for you. Anyway, even if it were
> true, it's nothing that you don't do yourself.
>

"Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
BASIC) was right over your head."

Both presumptuous *and* wrong.

>> Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
>>> and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
>>>
>>>> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean
>>>> at one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
>>>
>>> Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable
>>> of both logical and abstract thought.
>>>
>>
>> What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
>> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.
>
> OK, you got to make the accusation, now back it up with fact. You don't
> know and cannot possibly what I do, but you go ahead and make the
> accusation, that is mud slinging at its worst.
>

No, keith that's a light jab designed to ever so slightly dent your ego
and draw you into proving a point for me. The mudslinging I have been
subjected to by your new mate for at least a decade is of the worst
kind. The worst kind and *relentless*. "Appliance salesman", "former
Labor Party member", "towbar fitter", "mudflap fitter" and on and on it
goes. All completely false and without basis. 100% fabricated nonsense
and outright lies.

But not just him, you're (belatedly) joining in on the party. "Well I do
realise that most of it (with the possible exception of
BASIC) was right over your head."

Both presumptuous and false.

Now, according to you I should just "get over it" however a lightest of
jabs directed at you only to make a point gets this response from you:

"OK, you got to make the accusation, now back it up with fact. You don't
know and cannot possibly what I do, but you go ahead and make the
accusation, that is mud slinging at its worst."

So "get over it" according to you would be the right response? See
your hypocrisy here keith?

>> Literally anyone can do that.
>
> I could give you a laundry list of people around here who would be
> incapable of doing even that.
>

Oh, how could you possibly know what people are capable of? I've just
shown you where you were both presumptuous *and* wrong, do you want to
go again?

>>>> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
>>>> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
>>>
>>> No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
>>>
>>
>> No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
>> degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.
>
> Yearh I suppose to you that any  logic process that doesn't conform to
> your rather twisted view has to be "Broken", that's a very arrogant view
> of things and a blatant attempt at gaslighting.
>

No keith, you have genuinely changed.

>>>> So where has the other keith gone?
>>>
>>> More to the point, where
>>
>> No seriously keith, you used to post reasonable comments which at
>> times seemed to indicate that you were capable of reasonable and
>> balanced thought. Today you post juvenile rubbish, dodge questions in
>> the most infantile of ways, put people down in order to prop up your
>> own self-image and appear to lack the ability to comprehend what
>> people are saying a lot of the time and your comments are illogical.
>
> When I post comments that match your agenda apparently they are
> reasonable and balanced, if however I dare to post something against
> your agenda, it's juvenile rubbish
>

I'm simply observing a change in your behaviour, nothing to do with any
"agenda". Your comments in response to felix in spades. They can't
possibly be any more trite or infantile.

Or your dodging of questions and cringe reasons for doing so, just
embarrassing quite frankly.

>> You're like an empty shell of your former self and if *you* can't see
>> that then I think your prognosis is grim.
>
> Classic gaslighting, it doesn't work on me and you should be ashamed of
> how low you have got to even try it.
>

I'm not actually, it's a genuine concern. Maybe my perception of what
the problem might be is wrong but the change in your behaviour is
certainly real.

In any event you're pretty loose with your accusations but I suppose
*you* don't feel any shame over your comments?

>> Not having a go, consider it a genuine concern.
>
> Yearh right.

Ok well, I was being sincere whether you believe it or not.

On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>
>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>> (still is too).
>>>
>>
>>
>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>> problems.
>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>
> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
> someone else.
>

I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.

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On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>
>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>> (still is too).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>> problems.
>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>
>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>> someone else.
>>
>
> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>
Only if you are stupid. Anyone who does not have at least one backup
drive that they regularly back their data up to deserves to lose it. I
always taught people to have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is
the principle but I also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.

If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at how
long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based backup is
good because it is offsite, however there are also disadvantages such as
the time it takes to recover and security of your data. Onsite backup
provides the opportunity for the fastest recovery however if you have a
fire or other event your backup could be destroyed.

If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance of
recovery with minimal disruption.

SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.

Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
running or noises. Most people ignore them which causes them much
anguish when they fail.

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>
>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>> (still is too).
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>> problems.
>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>
>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>> someone else.
>>
>
> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.

Ummm. You can on a platter too. Either one though, you *must* backup.
Unless of course you need to destroy everything before the guvmint
forensics kick your door in...

alvey

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On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>> problems.
>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>
>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>> someone else.
>>>
>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
> Ummm. You can on a platter too.

far less likely and recovery is possible.

> Either one though, you *must* backup.

I do

> Unless of course you need to destroy everything before the guvmint
> forensics kick your door in...
>

ssshhh!..

>
> alvey
>

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>> problems.
>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>
>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>> someone else.
>>>>
>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>
> far less likely [to crash]

Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93

> and recovery is possible.

I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.

alvey

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On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>> problems.
>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>
>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if
>>> I want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing
>>> a lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple
>>> of my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010
>>> from scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>> someone else.
>>>
>>
>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>
> Only if you are stupid.

that lets me out then..

> Anyone who does not have at least one backup drive that they regularly
> back their data up to deserves to lose it. I always taught people to
> have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is the principle but I
> also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.

that takes care of the data, but what about the OS and software? which
is why I image my drives

>
> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
> be destroyed.
>
> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>
> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.

mechanical drives much less so, and data recovery is possible

>
> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
> running or noises.

SSD's are noiseless, and mechanical drives have a monitoring function
ie. S.M.A.R.T.

> Most people ignore them which causes them much anguish when they fail.

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On 19/02/2022 9:27 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>
>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>> far less likely [to crash]
> Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93

lol. they compared 12 month old SSD's to 4 yo Hard Drives

but..

"When the company examined the 171,919 hard disks it uses for storage
across its data centers, the failure rates were very low indeed - even
for drives that had been in active service for many years."

>
>> and recovery is possible.
> I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
> Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.

she should have had them backed up. easy to do now with cloud storage sync

>
>
> alvey
>

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:40:53 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 19/02/2022 9:27 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>> far less likely [to crash]
>> Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93
>
> lol. they compared 12 month old SSD's to 4 yo Hard Drives
>
> but..
>
> "When the company examined the 171,919 hard disks it uses for storage
> across its data centers, the failure rates were very low indeed - even
> for drives that had been in active service for many years."
>
>>
>>> and recovery is possible.
>> I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
>> Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.
>
> she should have had them backed up. easy to do now with cloud storage sync
>

Take #2
https://www.wepc.com/tips/ssd-reliability/

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On 19/02/2022 9:55 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:40:53 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 9:27 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if I
>>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing a
>>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>> far less likely [to crash]
>>> Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93
>> lol. they compared 12 month old SSD's to 4 yo Hard Drives
>>
>> but..
>>
>> "When the company examined the 171,919 hard disks it uses for storage
>> across its data centers, the failure rates were very low indeed - even
>> for drives that had been in active service for many years."
>>
>>>> and recovery is possible.
>>> I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
>>> Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.
>> she should have had them backed up. easy to do now with cloud storage sync
>>
> Take #2
> https://www.wepc.com/tips/ssd-reliability/
>

I haven't looked at it yet, but the thing is with SSD's (afaik) they can
only be written to a finite number of times. therefore failure at some
point is guaranteed. I have HD's that are 15 yo still in use! but I'm
sure SSD's will keep getting better. no doubt they are the way of the
future.

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On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 12:24:36 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 5:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> > On 17/02/2022 11:31 am, Clocky wrote:
> >
> >> Rattling off a list of programming languages proves nought but OK, even
> >
> > Well I do realise that most of it (with the possible exception of BASIC)
> > was right over your head.
> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
If that *was* his intention (which I doubt) it sure as hell works on *you*
Why would that be???.

> Alvey asked a question, I answered politely
> > and correctly which is more than your little troll mate has ever done.
> >
> >> if we accept you programmed in all those languages that would mean at
> >> one time you were very capable of both logical and abstract thought.
> >
> > Since I still write software, it follows that I am still very capable of
> > both logical and abstract thought.
> >
> What, you copy and paste code into a Sketch in Arduino, select the
> libraries to include, modify it a bit and hit program.
>
> Literally anyone can do that.
> >> You display the complete opposite today. Dimwitted, poor
> >> comprehension, illogical thought patterns etc are your norm.
> >
> > No, I just don't conform to your twisted logic.
> >
> No, your logic processes are *broken*, literally, and it appears to be
> degenerative as it's getting worse as time goes on.
> >> So where has the other keith gone?
> >
> > More to the point, where
> No seriously keith, you used to post reasonable comments which at times
> seemed to indicate that you were capable of reasonable and balanced
> thought. Today you post juvenile rubbish, dodge questions in the most
> infantile of ways, put people down in order to prop up your own
> self-image and appear to lack the ability to comprehend what people are
> saying a lot of the time and your comments are illogical.
>
> You're like an empty shell of your former self and if *you* can't see
> that then I think your prognosis is grim.
>
> Not having a go, consider it a genuine concern.

On 18/02/2022 12:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only, don't
>>>>> they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master of none?
>>>>
>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>
>>>
>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>
>
> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>
>

Not even close.

>>
>> High level languages are for amateurs anyway, hitting the metal direct
>> in ASM is where you find the real programmers  :-)
>
>

On 18/02/2022 7:22 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 18/2/2022 5:47 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master
>>>>>>>> of none?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>
>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>> (still is too).
>>>
>>
>> it outperformed anything IBM had. it had a GUI, cut'n'paste, mouse,
>> while on IBM's you had to type in commands, and windows didn't exist
>>
> Yeah, funny how the Mac was the leader, the others merely followers.
>
>

Leader in planned obsolescence, style over substance and marketing to
sheeple...

On 19/02/2022 11:25 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 12:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades, master
>>>>>> of none?
>>>>>
>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>
>>
>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>
>>
>
> Not even close.

Oh really? what was better?

>
>>>
>>> High level languages are for amateurs anyway, hitting the metal
>>> direct in ASM is where you find the real programmers :-)
>>
>>
>

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On 19/02/2022 8:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>> problems.
>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>
>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if
>>>> I want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing
>>>> a lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple
>>>> of my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010
>>>> from scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>> someone else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>
>> Only if you are stupid.
>
>
> that lets me out then..

In your humble opinion...
>
>
>> Anyone who does not have at least one backup drive that they regularly
>> back their data up to deserves to lose it. I always taught people to
>> have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is the principle but I
>> also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.
>
>
> that takes care of the data, but what about the OS and software? which
> is why I image my drives
>

In most situations you are better off doing a rebuild from scratch which
whilst it may take more time, allows for a more reliable system updated
to the latest drivers and operating system patches. You can get software
that does create images on the go however most major business operators
have a SOE image on a server which is booted to over the network and
rebuilt from there as that is their desired and tested working system.
For a home user creating an image is time consuming and generally is not
done by the average person as they don't know how or have the storage
capacity / software to do as such.

A fresh re-image also removes old unnecessary software remnants from
programs that have been uninstalled and or updated.

>>
>> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
>> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
>> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
>> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
>> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
>> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
>> be destroyed.
>>
>> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
>> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>>
>> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
>> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.
>
>
> mechanical drives much less so, and data recovery is possible
>

Actually I have seen many more mechanical drive failures than ssd
failures. Especially in the commercial environments where I was working.
SSD's generally don't get damaged if a unit is dropped which is a very
common cause of failure on mechanical drives. Recovery is possible from
both mechanical and ssd drives now, however if the drive is bad you need
deep pockets and the chances are with either type that you cannot
recover your data.

These are the guys I used to use https://cbldatarecovery.com.au/

>>
>> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
>> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
>> running or noises.
>
>
> SSD's are noiseless, and mechanical drives have a monitoring function
> ie. S.M.A.R.T.
>

I'm not talking only about noises. SSD's also have monitoring software
you can install. Look at Samsung magician for one. Another hint is to
not buy cheap SSD drives. I did a recovery on one this week which had
areas that were unable to be read. It was running slow and locking up
which is a sure sign of an imminent failure. It was also a cheaper brand
of ssd drive. Most people will just complain about the machine being
slow without bothering to think there might be a cause. Generally if you
check for errors in the event logs of the computer you can see patterns
of issues leading towards hdd failure. BTW most of the time the hdd is
dead before S.M.A.R.T. says there's an issue with your drive.

Then of course there are manufacturers who stuff up and make a drive
where failure is guaranteed. Think Seagate 7200.11 series. They were
recoverable but it was a pita.

>> Most people ignore them which causes them much anguish when they fail.
>
>

The only thing I have here that runs mechanical drives now is my NAS
which runs WD Red pro drives. It has four in raid with one able to fail
at any time without issues. My other backup drives I use on a regular
basis are ssd's as I can throw them in with my laptop and not worry
about them.

On 19/02/2022 11:10 am, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Friday, 18 February 2022 at 12:24:36 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:

>> There you go again, attempting to prop yourself up by putting someone
>> else down. It doesn't work. You have no idea.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> If that *was* his intention (which I doubt) it sure as hell works on *you*
> Why would that be???.

Loves playing the victim, doesn't he?

Instead of just walking away and ignoring people that he *clearly*
doesn't get on with, he continually engages them until it turns into a
shit-fight which he *himself* is happy to do his bit to bring on, and
once it occurs he *then* uses it as an opportunity to play the "innocent
victim" and claim that he's being unfairly targeted.

The bloke is absolutely fucking delusional .....

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.

ROTFL :)

> Only if you are stupid. Anyone who does not have at least one backup
> drive that they regularly back their data up to deserves to lose it. I
> always taught people to have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is
> the principle but I also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.
>
> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at how
> long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based backup is
> good because it is offsite, however there are also disadvantages such as
> the time it takes to recover and security of your data. Onsite backup
> provides the opportunity for the fastest recovery however if you have a
> fire or other event your backup could be destroyed.
>
> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance of
> recovery with minimal disruption.
>
> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.

I've been running SSD's in machines since they first came out and have
never had a problem with any of them. On the other hand, I have a
cupboard with a dozen or so dead or flakey hard drives :)

> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
> running or noises. Most people ignore them which causes them much
> anguish when they fail.

Yep. I have 6 machines here that I'm gradually in the process of
updating from old mechanical drives to SSD's, and the transformation in
some of them has been astonishing. Boot time on one machine went from a
minute and a half to 12 seconds, and the general all round performance
upgrade is phenomenal.

Given the cost today, I don't know why anyone would ever be interested
in anything else.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 19/02/2022 11:42 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
>> Only if you are stupid. Anyone who does not have at least one backup
>> drive that they regularly back their data up to deserves to lose it.
>> I always taught people to have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father,
>> son is the principle but I also suggested they had an offsite backup
>> as well.
>>
>> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
>> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
>> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
>> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
>> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
>> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
>> be destroyed.
>>
>> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
>> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>>
>> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
>> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.
>
> I've been running SSD's in machines since they first came out and have
> never had a problem with any of them. On the other hand, I have a
> cupboard with a dozen or so dead or flakey hard drives :)

we believe you noddy, honestly we do...

>
>> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
>> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
>> running or noises. Most people ignore them which causes them much
>> anguish when they fail.
>
> Yep. I have 6 machines here

yes of course you do...

> that I'm gradually in the process of updating from old mechanical
> drives to SSD's, and the transformation in some of them has been
> astonishing. Boot time on one machine went from a minute and a half to
> 12 seconds, and the general all round performance upgrade is phenomenal.
>
> Given the cost today, I don't know why anyone would ever be interested
> in anything else.
>
>
>

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On 19/02/2022 6:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>> problems.
>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>
>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally, if
>>>> I want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been doing
>>>> a lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple
>>>> of my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010
>>>> from scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>> someone else.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>
>> Only if you are stupid.
>
>
> that lets me out then..
>
>
>> Anyone who does not have at least one backup drive that they regularly
>> back their data up to deserves to lose it. I always taught people to
>> have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is the principle but I
>> also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.
>
>
> that takes care of the data, but what about the OS and software? which
> is why I image my drives
>
>
>>
>> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
>> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
>> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
>> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
>> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
>> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
>> be destroyed.
>>
>> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
>> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>>
>> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
>> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.
>
>
> mechanical drives much less so, and data recovery is possible
>
>
>>
>> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
>> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
>> running or noises.
>
>
> SSD's are noiseless, and mechanical drives have a monitoring function
> ie. S.M.A.R.T.
>
>

SSD drives monitor drive health very well indeed. If you ignore warnings
they can fail just like mechanical hard drives but mechanical drives can
fail without warning because of mechanical failure that S.M.A.R.T
sometimes can't predict.

In any event you must back up, that's the most important bit.