On 17/02/2022 7:32 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:15:31 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 17/02/2022 5:58 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:25:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment, but as a software
>>>> developer, clearing all the data along with a fault code would seem
>>>> pretty stupid. Even if a software update was applied, there is usually
>>>> no reason to clear the data.
>>>
>>> Tell me keith, what exactly did you do as a "software developer"?
>>
>> Develop software. Next question.
>
> What language(s)?
>
For a little guy unwilling to give any information about himself you ask
a lot of questions. But I'll humour you this once, this is a fairly
complete list but I may have forgotten the odd one

Fortran
COBOL
CLIST
REXX
BASIC (ugh)
C C++
C#
SQL
PHP
JavaScript
SYMPL (Bet you never heard of that one)
Delphi (Pascal)
Several assembler languages
Machine code on several architectures

Now tell us what it is that you did/do for a living.

On 16/02/2022 10:42 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 6:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/02/2022 4:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm (thermostat!)
>>>>>> then all the valve and ignition settings would have been backed
>>>>>> right off to *safe settings* depending on the codes they
>>>>>> triggered. Overheating can cause a bit of preignition/detonation
>>>>>> and that will definitely trip relevant codes - and lose your snap,
>>>>>> crackle and pop. The dealer should have cleared any of those codes
>>>>>> however. You could do a *soft reset* on it yourself, not hard to
>>>>>> do on Benz vehicles, then go for a drive so the car can relearn.
>>>
>>> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
>>> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts"
>>> actually know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code
>>> generation, and going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of
>>> settings requiring a relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode
>>> is cleared the moment the fault code is wiped, and often limp mode
>>> only lasts for as long as the ignition is on and is cleared on the
>>> next ignition cycle where it activates again if the fault is still
>>> present.
>>
>> Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment,
>
> No, clearly you can't but that's OK - you have an excuse but neither can
> Noddy who apparently can't even comprehend what was said because he has
> no experience with any of this stuff either.
>
> He will agree with you out of ignorance and to have a crack, but that's
> just a cover for his lack of knowledge that is on full display.

OK then clocky, since you ARE an expert on ECUs and an expert on
electronics to boot perhaps you can explain why clearing an error code
should erase the customisation data too.

On 17/2/22 9:38 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/2/22 10:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>>> I can "reset" the trans on my Benz, press a button and the
>>>> accelerator pedal a certain way and it resets the trans shift points
>>>> back to default but nothing with the engine.
>>>
>>> Does it have a separate transmission controller like the Falcons of
>>> that era?
>>
>> It has a separate transmission control module.
>
> And that's how it should be. Once they started incorporating them all
> into the one ECU shit went pear shaped.
>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>>>> would leave it.
>>>
>>> Or they just turned it off because it's wank and they're sick to
>>> death of the things.
>>>
>> Could even be illegal in Australia?
>
> It would be if it exceeded the maximum allowable noise level, but I
> expect it doesn't as they'd never be able to get the thing complianced
> unless the feature was permanently disabled. Unfortunately there is no
> law preventing "wanky exhaust note that sounds like something shitting
> themselves while wearing a wet suit" or the thing would be off the road
> in a heartbeat.

It certainly doesn't need a loud wanky exhaust to make lots of power,
the E500 coupe my youngest used to own had a 5.5lt V8 with lots of power
but it was pretty quiet, even when you pushed it hard it wasn't all that
loud.

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On 17/02/2022 8:19 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>> would leave it.
>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts
>> are for bogans and small children.
>>
>>
> "Loud mode"? More like pretentious hoon mode.

"Cock tugging flog mode".

Of course, the amusing point in all of this waffle about Alvey and his
wank toy is that some time ago I mentioned that I don't use the radio
when driving my old F100 as I enjoy listening to the sound of the
engine. To me there's nothing better than listening to the sound of a
purring V8 engine, but when I mentioned this I got all kinds of
ridiculous and expected criticism of it being "loud" from the resident
fuckwits.

I never mentioned anything about "loud". I just said I like the *sound*.
It's not loud, and I don't particularly like loud vehicles. But we all
know that when it comes to the FLC making a noise about anything reality
is an optional extra.

Yet here we have Avley, one of the most ridiculous noise making
irrelevant windbags that the FLC has in it's arsenal actually
complaining about the loud noise of his wank toy going missing after it
shit it's nappy and needed to be repaired, and the amount of criticism
we hear about that is absolutely fucking zero.

On the contrary, what we see from his fellow FLC flogs is hand holding
and clueless encouragement that he should give it a few days and it will
all be back to normal. "There there Alv. Don't cry. You'll be back to
being a professional wanker before you know it".

I'm not making this up, you know. This is the pathetic reality with
these simpletons :)

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:32:35 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 9:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 16/2/22 11:10 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>
>>>    Actually after seeing that review, I get the feeling that alvira
>>> dosn`t *have a clue* about the systems operation. <G>
>>
>> That is a problem with many modern hi tech cars, a lot of people don't
>> use many of the functions because they either don't know how or didn't
>> know they existed.
>
> RTFM. I'll bet any money you like all he needs to know is in the book.
> Had the moron bothered to do that he would have been able to work out
> that the light on his dash was indeed a light and not a switch.
>
>> Builder who built my house was here yesterday, his wife has a new MB AMG
>> GLE 53 , he said that it has so many functions it will take him years to
>> work them all out:-)
>> If you don't know how to turn a function on or off you just say "Hi
>> Mercedes" and ask the car to do it for you.
>
> "Hi Mercedes. Drive me to a dealership where I can get rid of this
> fucking thing and buy a decent car".
>
> I wonder if that works :)

Poor Fraudster. Still sooo jealous...

You really should stop playing the car and resume playing the man
Fraudster. You still won't win, but you'll look less of a jealous nuff-nuff
for attacking a perfectly good car in a *CARS* newsgroup.

alvey
“That said, I'm all for people driving whatever the hell they want and
don't require them to justify their purchase.” Fraudster

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On 17/02/2022 9:45 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 10:42 pm, Clocky wrote:

>>> Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment,
>>
>> No, clearly you can't but that's OK - you have an excuse but neither
>> can Noddy who apparently can't even comprehend what was said because
>> he has no experience with any of this stuff either.
>>
>> He will agree with you out of ignorance and to have a crack, but
>> that's just a cover for his lack of knowledge that is on full display.
>
> OK then clocky, since you ARE an expert on ECUs and an expert on
> electronics to boot perhaps you can explain why clearing an error code
> should erase the customisation data too.

Hope you're not holding your breath as you'll be a long time waiting for
a response, and if & when one eventually comes it will make *lots* of
noise but do little to answer your question. Which in itself will be as
good an admission that you'll get that he has no idea what he's talking
about.

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Noddy.

On 17/02/2022 8:09 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/2/22 8:19 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/02/2022 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/2/22 5:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm
>>>>>>> (thermostat!) then all the valve and ignition settings would have
>>>>>>> been backed right off to *safe settings* depending on the codes
>>>>>>> they triggered. Overheating can cause a bit of
>>>>>>> preignition/detonation and that will definitely trip relevant
>>>>>>> codes - and lose your snap, crackle and pop. The dealer should
>>>>>>> have cleared any of those codes however. You could do a *soft
>>>>>>> reset* on it yourself, not hard to do on Benz vehicles, then go
>>>>>>> for a drive so the car can relearn.
>>>>
>>>> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
>>>> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts"
>>>> actually know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code
>>>> generation, and going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of
>>>> settings requiring a relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode
>>>> is cleared the moment the fault code is wiped, and often limp mode
>>>> only lasts for as long as the ignition is on and is cleared on the
>>>> next ignition cycle where it activates again if the fault is still
>>>> present.
>>>
>>> I can "reset" the trans on my Benz, press a button and the
>>> accelerator pedal a certain way and it resets the trans shift points
>>> back to default but nothing with the engine.
>>> Once a fault that caused the engine to go into limp mode is cleared
>>> the engine just returns to using the normal ecu map.
>>>>
>>>> This is an no brainer. The car allegedly had a faulty thermostat.
>>>> The "fix" is nothing more complicated than replacing the thermostat,
>>>> erasing the code and the car is back in business. There is no ECU
>>>> reset required, and no "relearn" procedure needed to be carried out.
>>>> Not unless the fuckwits at the dealership performed a reset because
>>>> they had no fucking idea about what else to do.
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>>> would leave it.
>>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts
>>> are for bogans and small children.
>>>
>>>
>> "Loud mode"? More like pretentious hoon mode.
>
> Agree, not unusual thought, a friend used to own an Aston Martin V8
> Vantage, above 4000rpm vacuum controlled valves in the exhausts would
> open and bypass the rear mufflers, if there is a fault with the system
> it goes into loud mode.
> Only reason I know anything about it is I was asked to have a look at it
> when it was in loud mode all the time, it was just a dislodged vacuum
> pipe easily fixed.
>
In the old days (pre-WWII) some sports carts (and cars with sporting
pretensions) had "Town and country" exhaust, there was a handle that
opened a valve that bypassed the silencer. Since we were pennyless
apprentices many of us drove old cars some with this feature, and, being
teen aged hoons before it was fashionable, the exhaust was permanently
set to "Country" (unless Mr Plod was about)>

On 17/02/2022 9:46 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/2/22 9:38 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> Could even be illegal in Australia?
>>
>> It would be if it exceeded the maximum allowable noise level, but I
>> expect it doesn't as they'd never be able to get the thing complianced
>> unless the feature was permanently disabled. Unfortunately there is no
>> law preventing "wanky exhaust note that sounds like something shitting
>> themselves while wearing a wet suit" or the thing would be off the
>> road in a heartbeat.
>
> It certainly doesn't need a loud wanky exhaust to make lots of power,
> the E500 coupe my youngest used to own had a 5.5lt V8 with lots of power
> but it was pretty quiet, even when you pushed it hard it wasn't all that
> loud.

I expect it's about the target audience they're trying to attract.

The A35 is the entry level AMG model, and I suspect they load it with
"wank" features to attract the wannabe flogs who like the idea of having
some "sporty connection" with the AMG badge but don't want to shell out
for a real one.

Kinda like people who buy a 3 series BMW and then whack M series wheels
and badges on it :)

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On 17/02/2022 9:54 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:09 am, Daryl wrote:

>> Agree, not unusual thought, a friend used to own an Aston Martin V8
>> Vantage, above 4000rpm vacuum controlled valves in the exhausts would
>> open and bypass the rear mufflers, if there is a fault with the system
>> it goes into loud mode.
>> Only reason I know anything about it is I was asked to have a look at
>> it when it was in loud mode all the time, it was just a dislodged
>> vacuum pipe easily fixed.
>>
> In the old days (pre-WWII) some sports carts (and cars with sporting
> pretensions) had "Town and country" exhaust, there was a handle that
> opened a valve that bypassed the silencer. Since we were pennyless
> apprentices many of us drove old cars some with this feature, and, being
> teen aged hoons before it was fashionable, the exhaust was permanently
> set to "Country" (unless Mr Plod was about)>

I'm not aware of cars that come with such features today, but the
exhaust components necessary to make it possible on any car are readily
available. Highly illegal on any street driven car of course, but some
people think it's amusing.

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Noddy.

On 17/02/2022 6:56 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:24:13 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/2022 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:53:18 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm (thermostat!)
>>>>>>> then all the valve and ignition settings would have been backed right
>>>>>>> off to *safe settings* depending on the codes they triggered.
>>>>>>> Overheating can cause a bit of preignition/detonation and that will
>>>>>>> definitely trip relevant codes - and lose your snap, crackle and pop.
>>>>>>> The dealer should have cleared any of those codes however. You could
>>>>>>> do a *soft reset* on it yourself, not hard to do on Benz vehicles,
>>>>>>> then go for a drive so the car can relearn.
>>>> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
>>>> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts" actually
>>>> know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code generation, and
>>>> going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of settings requiring a
>>>> relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode is cleared the moment the
>>>> fault code is wiped, and often limp mode only lasts for as long as the
>>>> ignition is on and is cleared on the next ignition cycle where it
>>>> activates again if the fault is still present.
>>>>
>>>> This is an no brainer. The car allegedly had a faulty thermostat. The
>>>> "fix" is nothing more complicated than replacing the thermostat, erasing
>>>> the code and the car is back in business. There is no ECU reset
>>>> required, and no "relearn" procedure needed to be carried out. Not
>>>> unless the fuckwits at the dealership performed a reset because they had
>>>> no fucking idea about what else to do.
>>>>
>>>> Fair dinkum these "experts" are ridiculous. I can understand this level
>>>> of ignorance from the clueless windbag who has had no connection to the
>>>> trade in over a quarter of a century, but the clog wearing Westrayan
>>>> fuckwit who continually bleats about the licensing system weeding out
>>>> the "shonks" seems to exist around here for no reason other than to show
>>>> how much oif a clueless munt you can be while still being capable of
>>>> holding a licence.
>>>>
>>>> These cunts are *hopeless* :)
>>>>
>>>>>> the Magna used to 'learn' my driving style. not sure if the Lancer does.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Right hand lane 45 Km/hr.
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> You can just picture it, can't you? The crusty old dickhead would be
>>>> yelling abuse at everyone :)
>>> "I drive through the avenue here daily at the posted 60km/h limit as they
>>> often have camera cars hiding behind the trees, and I get people
>>> following so close I can't see their *bonnet* let alone the front of
>>> their car.
>>>
>>> I don't give a fuck. The closer they get, the slower I go". Fraudster
>>> 28Oct16
>>>
>>> Goose.
>>>
>> I agree with him on this one. if someone is tailgating me so close when
>> I'm doing the max speed, I'll keep slowing down until they back off, or
>> stab the brakes. some drivers are just so dumb.
> Right. So there you, trundling along a single lane road (multi lanes are a
> whole different kettle of rants), at the speed limit and someone is
> sniffing your exhaust pipe. Which of the following alternatives is most
> likely to induce an accident or road rage?
>
> a. Speeding up
> b. Maintaining the speed limit.
> c. Slowing down.

(a) is not viable because I'm already at the speed limit. don't forget
we are talking about someone trying to intimidate you and make you speed
up by driving way too close. that's a dangerous situation that needs to
be corrected, and the best way to do that is to send a message to them
as I/we said. btw, how many speeding tickets have you had? I've had none
and I intend to keep it that way.

>
> alvey
>
>

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On 17/02/2022 7:38 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:32:31 +1100, Daryl wrote:
>
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>> would leave it.
> Wrong on all counts Deryl.
>
> The dull presenter *isn't* turning on "loud mode", he's *starting the car*
> with an audio flourish. It reverts to whatever the current setting is as
> soon as you release the shifter.
>
> My default choice of setting is Normal.
>
>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts are
>> for bogans and small children.
> Good for you Deryl! However those of us who actually enjoy driving a car
> with a bit of go believe that a bit of appropriate noise is a desirable
> thing.

I prefer quiet.

>
> alvey
>
>
>

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On 17/02/2022 7:42 am, alvey wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 21:17:06 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>> On 16/02/2022 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>>> would leave it.
>>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts are
>>> for bogans and small children.
>> So no ecu reset rather they took it out of sport plus mode so it no
>> longer pops bangs and crackles. Good grief our resident experts are
>> covered in eggs.
> 'Fraid not Gumps.

grumps has been covered in eggs more times than we can count

> Here. Borrow my spatula.
>
> btw Gumps... How come you're joining the mob that's 'attacking' me? Didn't
> you say that the reason you defend Fraudster is because he's being ganged
> up on?
>
>
> alvey
>

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On 17/02/2022 8:46 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 17/2/22 9:38 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/2/22 10:27 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>> I can "reset" the trans on my Benz, press a button and the
>>>>> accelerator pedal a certain way and it resets the trans shift
>>>>> points back to default but nothing with the engine.
>>>>
>>>> Does it have a separate transmission controller like the Falcons of
>>>> that era?
>>>
>>> It has a separate transmission control module.
>>
>> And that's how it should be. Once they started incorporating them all
>> into the one ECU shit went pear shaped.
>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal"
>>>>> person would leave it.
>>>>
>>>> Or they just turned it off because it's wank and they're sick to
>>>> death of the things.
>>>>
>>> Could even be illegal in Australia?
>>
>> It would be if it exceeded the maximum allowable noise level, but I
>> expect it doesn't as they'd never be able to get the thing complianced
>> unless the feature was permanently disabled. Unfortunately there is no
>> law preventing "wanky exhaust note that sounds like something shitting
>> themselves while wearing a wet suit" or the thing would be off the
>> road in a heartbeat.
>
> It certainly doesn't need a loud wanky exhaust to make lots of power,
> the E500 coupe my youngest used to own had a 5.5lt V8 with lots of power
> but it was pretty quiet, even when you pushed it hard it wasn't all that
> loud.

Turbocharging actually quietens the exhaust since it takes energy out of it.

On 17/02/2022 9:29 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:17 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 17/02/2022 6:42 am, alvey wrote:
>
>>> btw Gumps... How come you're joining the mob that's 'attacking' me?
>>> Didn't
>>> you say that the reason you defend Fraudster is because he's being
>>> ganged
>>> up on?
>>>
>> I wasn't attacking you as I stated our resident experts. That doesn't
>> include you.
>
> Certainly not when it comes to anything automotive, which makes him
> such a good fit with the FLC :)
>
> Credit where it's due though. He *is* an expert when it comes to
> whining like an utter fuckwit about anything in particular....
>
>> Doing some basic googling shows that it opens the comfort valves in
>> sports + mode allowing the pops etc, however other people complaining
>> of the issue state that the ecu has a code set. Maybe your dealer
>> didn't clear the codes after the thermostat failure hence it is not
>> working.
>
> I suspect they turned it off on purpose, just to annoy him. I would
> imagine that's the MB dealer Tech's idea of "fun", as they probably
> (and quite rightly) think that anyone who has it turned on is a
> massive flog.

nah, that's just something shonks like you would do

>
>> Some state the code clears after a couple of days once the issue is
>> resolved, others have had to have the code cleared or the comfort
>> valves serviced (lubricated) as they became stuck.
>
> It's about as wank an idea as owning a WRX and buying a blow off valve
> that you set to open at half a pound of boost so it can "FFFFFTTT" as
> you're driving around the local shopping centre car park.
>
>
>

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:42:58 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 7:32 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:15:31 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>> On 17/02/2022 5:58 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:25:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment, but as a software
>>>>> developer, clearing all the data along with a fault code would seem
>>>>> pretty stupid. Even if a software update was applied, there is usually
>>>>> no reason to clear the data.
>>>>
>>>> Tell me keith, what exactly did you do as a "software developer"?
>>>
>>> Develop software. Next question.
>>
>> What language(s)?
>>
> For a little guy unwilling to give any information about himself you ask
> a lot of questions. But I'll humour you this once, this is a fairly
> complete list but I may have forgotten the odd one
>

> COBOL

How'd you do in the lead up to 01Jan2000 with COBOL?

> CLIST
> REXX
> BASIC (ugh)
> C
> C++
> C#
> SQL
> PHP
> JavaScript
> SYMPL (Bet you never heard of that one)
> Delphi (Pascal)
> Several assembler languages
> Machine code on several architectures

You must've spent years on courses.
>
> Now tell us what it is that you did/do for a living.

Several diverse things.
Got my start as a pro on the Xtreme Ironing Tour, joining the Red Bull team
after my first year. But after a couple of years the calls of politics
became too much, so I got a new phone number and went overseas. I quickly
gained a position at Trinity College Dublin, Woodworm detector in the
library. This didn't pay much but one day I had a stroke of luck! The Head
of BBC Light Entertainment was perusing a volume on Etruscan pottery when
he had a stroke. I was almost next to him at the time and was able to rifle
through his pockets before anyone else arrived and in his inside coat
pocket I found a blank, but signed, BBC contract. So I went home, filled in
the deets, went to London, presented myself to the Beeb and, as they say,
the rest is a mystery.

HTH

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On 17/02/2022 9:16 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 6:56 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:24:13 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:53:18 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm (thermostat!)
>>>>>>>> then all the valve and ignition settings would have been backed
>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>> off to *safe settings* depending on the codes they triggered.
>>>>>>>> Overheating can cause a bit of preignition/detonation and that will
>>>>>>>> definitely trip relevant codes - and lose your snap, crackle and
>>>>>>>> pop.
>>>>>>>> The dealer should have cleared any of those codes however. You
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> do a *soft reset* on it yourself, not hard to do on Benz vehicles,
>>>>>>>> then go for a drive so the car can relearn.
>>>>> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
>>>>> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts"
>>>>> actually
>>>>> know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code generation, and
>>>>> going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of settings requiring a
>>>>> relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode is cleared the
>>>>> moment the
>>>>> fault code is wiped, and often limp mode only lasts for as long as the
>>>>> ignition is on and is cleared on the next ignition cycle where it
>>>>> activates again if the fault is still present.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an no brainer. The car allegedly had a faulty thermostat. The
>>>>> "fix" is nothing more complicated than replacing the thermostat,
>>>>> erasing
>>>>> the code and the car is back in business. There is no ECU reset
>>>>> required, and no "relearn" procedure needed to be carried out. Not
>>>>> unless the fuckwits at the dealership performed a reset because
>>>>> they had
>>>>> no fucking idea about what else to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair dinkum these "experts" are ridiculous. I can understand this
>>>>> level
>>>>> of ignorance from the clueless windbag who has had no connection to
>>>>> the
>>>>> trade in over a quarter of a century, but the clog wearing Westrayan
>>>>> fuckwit who continually bleats about the licensing system weeding out
>>>>> the "shonks" seems to exist around here for no reason other than to
>>>>> show
>>>>> how much oif a clueless munt you can be while still being capable of
>>>>> holding a licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> These cunts are *hopeless*  :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Magna used to 'learn' my driving style. not sure if the
>>>>>>> Lancer does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right hand lane 45 Km/hr.
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can just picture it, can't you? The crusty old dickhead would be
>>>>> yelling abuse at everyone :)
>>>> "I drive through the avenue here daily at the posted 60km/h limit as
>>>> they
>>>> often have camera cars hiding behind the trees, and I get people
>>>> following so close I can't see their *bonnet* let alone the front of
>>>> their car.
>>>>
>>>> I don't give a fuck. The closer they get, the slower I go". Fraudster
>>>> 28Oct16
>>>>
>>>> Goose.
>>>>
>>> I agree with him on this one. if someone is tailgating me so close when
>>> I'm doing the max speed, I'll keep slowing down until they back off, or
>>> stab the brakes. some drivers are just so dumb.
>> Right. So there you, trundling along a single lane road (multi lanes
>> are a
>> whole different kettle of rants), at the speed limit and someone is
>> sniffing your exhaust pipe. Which of the following alternatives is most
>> likely to induce an accident or road rage?
>>
>> a. Speeding up
>> b. Maintaining the speed limit.
>> c. Slowing down.
>
>
> (a) is not viable because I'm already at the speed limit. don't forget
> we are talking about someone trying to intimidate you and make you speed
> up by driving way too close. that's a dangerous situation that needs to
> be corrected, and the best way to do that is to send a message to them
> as I/we said. btw, how many speeding tickets have you had? I've had none
> and I intend to keep it that way.

If you pushed the gear lever over into the reverse gate without engaging
reverse in my 1976 Subby 4WD the reversing lights would come on. I did
that once when I had some arsehole right on my back bumper. He must have
hit the brakes bloody hard because he just disappeared out of view and I
never saw him again.

On 17/02/2022 9:34 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:48 +1100, Daryl wrote:
>
>
>> If you don't know how to turn a function on or off you just say "Hi
>> Mercedes" and ask the car to do it for you.
> Wrong again Deryl.
>
> There are shedloads of Functions that the voice recognition doesn't do,
> especially the ones which you don't know exist, *and* it's a truly
> shithouse system. Combine it with the onboard SatNav, aka World's Worst
> Satnav Program, and it's positively lethal.
>

can  you turn the voice recognition function off?

>
> alvey
>

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On 17/02/2022 9:47 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:19 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/02/2022 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>>> would leave it.
>>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts
>>> are for bogans and small children.
>>>
>>>
>> "Loud mode"? More like pretentious hoon mode.
>
> "Cock tugging flog mode".
>
> Of course, the amusing point in all of this waffle about Alvey and his
> wank toy is that some time ago I mentioned that I don't use the radio
> when driving my old F100 as I enjoy listening to the sound of the
> engine. To me there's nothing better than listening to the sound of a
> purring V8 engine, but when I mentioned this I got all kinds of
> ridiculous and expected criticism of it being "loud" from the resident
> fuckwits.
>
> I never mentioned anything about "loud". I just said I like the
> *sound*. It's not loud, and I don't particularly like loud vehicles.
> But we all know that when it comes to the FLC making a noise about
> anything reality is an optional extra.
>
> Yet here we have Avley, one of the most ridiculous noise making
> irrelevant windbags that the FLC has in it's arsenal actually
> complaining about the loud noise of his wank toy going missing after
> it shit it's nappy and needed to be repaired, and the amount of
> criticism we hear about that is absolutely fucking zero.
>
> On the contrary, what we see from his fellow FLC flogs is hand holding
> and clueless encouragement that he should give it a few days and it
> will all be back to normal. "There there Alv. Don't cry. You'll be
> back to being a professional wanker before you know it".
>
> I'm not making this up, you know. This is the pathetic reality with
> these simpletons :)
>
>

nup. it's just your bogan interpretation.

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On 17/02/2022 9:47 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:32:35 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 17/02/2022 9:01 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 16/2/22 11:10 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>    Actually after seeing that review, I get the feeling that alvira
>>>> dosn`t *have a clue* about the systems operation. <G>
>>> That is a problem with many modern hi tech cars, a lot of people don't
>>> use many of the functions because they either don't know how or didn't
>>> know they existed.
>> RTFM. I'll bet any money you like all he needs to know is in the book.
>> Had the moron bothered to do that he would have been able to work out
>> that the light on his dash was indeed a light and not a switch.
>>
>>> Builder who built my house was here yesterday, his wife has a new MB AMG
>>> GLE 53 , he said that it has so many functions it will take him years to
>>> work them all out:-)
>>> If you don't know how to turn a function on or off you just say "Hi
>>> Mercedes" and ask the car to do it for you.
>> "Hi Mercedes. Drive me to a dealership where I can get rid of this
>> fucking thing and buy a decent car".
>>
>> I wonder if that works :)
> Poor Fraudster. Still sooo jealous...
>
> You really should stop playing the car and resume playing the man
> Fraudster. You still won't win, but you'll look less of a jealous nuff-nuff
> for attacking a perfectly good car in a *CARS* newsgroup.

LOL

>
>
> alvey
> “That said, I'm all for people driving whatever the hell they want and
> don't require them to justify their purchase.” Fraudster
>

he is such a hypocrite

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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:47:11 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 8:19 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 16/02/2022 8:32 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oOrgZDdsGK4
>>> The video explains the A35 driving modes, in the first minute he
>>> explains how to turn on "loud mode", I suspect that when the dealer
>>> cleared the codes it went back to "normal" where any "normal" person
>>> would leave it.
>>> The thing I like most about my MB is how quiet it is, noisy exhausts
>>> are for bogans and small children.
>>>
>>>
>> "Loud mode"? More like pretentious hoon mode.
>
> "Cock tugging flog mode".
>
> Of course, the amusing point in all of this waffle about Alvey and his
> wank toy is that some time ago I mentioned that I don't use the radio
> when driving my old F100 as I enjoy listening to the sound of the
> engine. To me there's nothing better than listening to the sound of a
> purring V8 engine, but when I mentioned this I got all kinds of
> ridiculous and expected criticism of it being "loud" from the resident
> fuckwits.
>
> I never mentioned anything about "loud". I just said I like the *sound*.
> It's not loud, and I don't particularly like loud vehicles. But we all
> know that when it comes to the FLC making a noise about anything reality
> is an optional extra.
>
> Yet here we have Avley, one of the most ridiculous noise making
> irrelevant windbags that the FLC has in it's arsenal actually
> complaining about the loud noise of his wank toy going missing after it
> shit it's nappy and needed to be repaired, and the amount of criticism
> we hear about that is absolutely fucking zero.
>
> On the contrary, what we see from his fellow FLC flogs is hand holding
> and clueless encouragement that he should give it a few days and it will
> all be back to normal. "There there Alv. Don't cry. You'll be back to
> being a professional wanker before you know it".
>
> I'm not making this up, you know. This is the pathetic reality with
> these simpletons :)

lol! What an epic whinger!

Let's do a "reset" here Fraudster!

You've been exposed as a serial liar, massive hypocrite, monstrous fraud
and whining coward, that is the "reality" here. Throwing yourself into a
faux frenzy about the noise a car makes isn't going to change that.

You're a loser Gibbens. Always have been, always will be.

alvey
“How you can have the gall to show yourself in here after *all* the
bullshit that's blown back into your own face. Staggering.” Fraudster,
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On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:16:05 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 6:56 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 22:24:13 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 16/02/2022 6:23 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 17:53:18 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm (thermostat!)
>>>>>>>> then all the valve and ignition settings would have been backed right
>>>>>>>> off to *safe settings* depending on the codes they triggered.
>>>>>>>> Overheating can cause a bit of preignition/detonation and that will
>>>>>>>> definitely trip relevant codes - and lose your snap, crackle and pop.
>>>>>>>> The dealer should have cleared any of those codes however. You could
>>>>>>>> do a *soft reset* on it yourself, not hard to do on Benz vehicles,
>>>>>>>> then go for a drive so the car can relearn.
>>>>> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
>>>>> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts" actually
>>>>> know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code generation, and
>>>>> going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of settings requiring a
>>>>> relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode is cleared the moment the
>>>>> fault code is wiped, and often limp mode only lasts for as long as the
>>>>> ignition is on and is cleared on the next ignition cycle where it
>>>>> activates again if the fault is still present.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is an no brainer. The car allegedly had a faulty thermostat. The
>>>>> "fix" is nothing more complicated than replacing the thermostat, erasing
>>>>> the code and the car is back in business. There is no ECU reset
>>>>> required, and no "relearn" procedure needed to be carried out. Not
>>>>> unless the fuckwits at the dealership performed a reset because they had
>>>>> no fucking idea about what else to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Fair dinkum these "experts" are ridiculous. I can understand this level
>>>>> of ignorance from the clueless windbag who has had no connection to the
>>>>> trade in over a quarter of a century, but the clog wearing Westrayan
>>>>> fuckwit who continually bleats about the licensing system weeding out
>>>>> the "shonks" seems to exist around here for no reason other than to show
>>>>> how much oif a clueless munt you can be while still being capable of
>>>>> holding a licence.
>>>>>
>>>>> These cunts are *hopeless* :)
>>>>>
>>>>>>> the Magna used to 'learn' my driving style. not sure if the Lancer does.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Right hand lane 45 Km/hr.
>>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>>
>>>>> You can just picture it, can't you? The crusty old dickhead would be
>>>>> yelling abuse at everyone :)
>>>> "I drive through the avenue here daily at the posted 60km/h limit as they
>>>> often have camera cars hiding behind the trees, and I get people
>>>> following so close I can't see their *bonnet* let alone the front of
>>>> their car.
>>>>
>>>> I don't give a fuck. The closer they get, the slower I go". Fraudster
>>>> 28Oct16
>>>>
>>>> Goose.
>>>>
>>> I agree with him on this one. if someone is tailgating me so close when
>>> I'm doing the max speed, I'll keep slowing down until they back off, or
>>> stab the brakes. some drivers are just so dumb.
>> Right. So there you, trundling along a single lane road (multi lanes are a
>> whole different kettle of rants), at the speed limit and someone is
>> sniffing your exhaust pipe. Which of the following alternatives is most
>> likely to induce an accident or road rage?
>>
>> a. Speeding up
>> b. Maintaining the speed limit.
>> c. Slowing down.
>
> (a) is not viable because I'm already at the speed limit. don't forget
> we are talking about someone trying to intimidate you and make you speed
> up by driving way too close. that's a dangerous situation that needs to
> be corrected, and the best way to do that is to send a message to them
> as I/we said.

Ummm. You didn't answer the question.

> btw, how many speeding tickets have you had?

Dunno. But it's been decades since I had a clean sheet.

> I've had none and I intend to keep it that way.

Good for you! I've never been at fault in an accident. This ranks wayyy
higher imo.

alvey
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The Manhattan Transfer.

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On 17/02/2022 9:32 am, alvey wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 08:42:58 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 17/02/2022 7:32 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 07:15:31 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:58 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 20:25:36 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment, but as a software
>>>>>> developer, clearing all the data along with a fault code would seem
>>>>>> pretty stupid. Even if a software update was applied, there is usually
>>>>>> no reason to clear the data.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tell me keith, what exactly did you do as a "software developer"?
>>>>
>>>> Develop software. Next question.
>>>
>>> What language(s)?
>>>
>> For a little guy unwilling to give any information about himself you ask
>> a lot of questions. But I'll humour you this once, this is a fairly
>> complete list but I may have forgotten the odd one
>>
>
>> COBOL
>
> How'd you do in the lead up to 01Jan2000 with COBOL?
>
>> CLIST
>> REXX
>> BASIC (ugh)
>> C
>> C++
>> C#
>> SQL
>> PHP
>> JavaScript
>> SYMPL (Bet you never heard of that one)
>> Delphi (Pascal)
>> Several assembler languages
>> Machine code on several architectures
>
> You must've spent years on courses.
>>
>> Now tell us what it is that you did/do for a living.
>
> Several diverse things.
> Got my start as a pro on the Xtreme Ironing Tour, joining the Red Bull team
> after my first year. But after a couple of years the calls of politics
> became too much, so I got a new phone number and went overseas. I quickly
> gained a position at Trinity College Dublin, Woodworm detector in the
> library. This didn't pay much but one day I had a stroke of luck! The Head
> of BBC Light Entertainment was perusing a volume on Etruscan pottery when
> he had a stroke. I was almost next to him at the time and was able to rifle
> through his pockets before anyone else arrived and in his inside coat
> pocket I found a blank, but signed, BBC contract. So I went home, filled in
> the deets, went to London, presented myself to the Beeb and, as they say,
> the rest is a mystery.

Standard alvey bullshit, since you are hypocritical enough to expect
answers to questions that you aren't prepared to answer, the subject is
closed.

On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 10:35:26 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> On 17/02/2022 9:34 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Thu, 17 Feb 2022 09:01:48 +1100, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>
>>> If you don't know how to turn a function on or off you just say "Hi
>>> Mercedes" and ask the car to do it for you.
>> Wrong again Deryl.
>>
>> There are shedloads of Functions that the voice recognition doesn't do,
>> especially the ones which you don't know exist, *and* it's a truly
>> shithouse system. Combine it with the onboard SatNav, aka World's Worst
>> Satnav Program, and it's positively lethal.
>>
>
> can  you turn the voice recognition function off?

Yes.

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On 17/02/2022 10:25 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 17/02/2022 8:46 am, Daryl wrote:

>>
>> It certainly doesn't need a loud wanky exhaust to make lots of power,
>> the E500 coupe my youngest used to own had a 5.5lt V8 with lots of
>> power but it was pretty quiet, even when you pushed it hard it wasn't
>> all that loud.
>
> Turbocharging actually quietens the exhaust since it takes energy out of
> it.

It does do if you're talking about straight open pipes. In the case of
engines running unmuffled exhausts a turbocharged engine will always be
quieter than a normally aspirated one for exactly the reason you've
mentioned. However both are considerably louder than a muffled "street"
exhaust system where the noise level is controlled by the degree of
muffling itself.

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On Wednesday, 16 February 2022 at 23:42:49 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
> On 16/02/2022 6:25 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> > On 16/02/2022 4:53 pm, Noddy wrote:
> >> On 16/02/2022 5:00 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> >>> On 16/02/2022 12:14 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> >>>> On 15/02/2022 4:40 pm, Xeno wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> Forgot to mention, if the beast had been overly warm (thermostat!)
> >>>>> then all the valve and ignition settings would have been backed
> >>>>> right off to *safe settings* depending on the codes they triggered.
> >>>>> Overheating can cause a bit of preignition/detonation and that will
> >>>>> definitely trip relevant codes - and lose your snap, crackle and
> >>>>> pop. The dealer should have cleared any of those codes however. You
> >>>>> could do a *soft reset* on it yourself, not hard to do on Benz
> >>>>> vehicles, then go for a drive so the car can relearn.
> >>
> >> This ↑↑↑↑↑ here is a load of fairytale bullshit and yet *another*
> >> example of how utterly clueless these self appointed "experts"
> >> actually know. ECU's do *not* reset themselves on fault code
> >> generation, and going into "limp mode" does *not* cause a loss of
> >> settings requiring a relearn procedure to be carried out. Limp mode is
> >> cleared the moment the fault code is wiped, and often limp mode only
> >> lasts for as long as the ignition is on and is cleared on the next
> >> ignition cycle where it activates again if the fault is still present.
> >
> > Not having worked with ECUs I can't really comment,
> No, clearly you can't but that's OK - you have an excuse but neither can
> Noddy who apparently can't even comprehend what was said because he has
> no experience with any of this stuff either.
>
> He will agree with you out of ignorance and to have a crack, but that's
> just a cover for his lack of knowledge that is on full display.
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