On 19/2/2022 10:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 9:55 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:40:53 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> On 19/02/2022 9:27 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC
>>>>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is
>>>>>>>>> brilliant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB
>>>>>>>> SSD
>>>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive.
>>>>>>>> Generally, if I
>>>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been
>>>>>>>> doing a
>>>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a
>>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love -
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>>> far less likely [to crash]
>>>> Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93
>>> lol. they compared 12 month old SSD's to 4 yo Hard Drives
>>>
>>> but..
>>>
>>> "When the company examined the 171,919 hard disks it uses for storage
>>> across its data centers, the failure rates were very low indeed - even
>>> for drives that had been in active service for many years."
>>>
>>>>> and recovery is possible.
>>>> I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
>>>> Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.
>>> she should have had them backed up. easy to do now with cloud storage
>>> sync
>>>
>> Take #2
>> https://www.wepc.com/tips/ssd-reliability/
>>
>
> I haven't looked at it yet, but the thing is with SSD's (afaik) they can
> only be written to a finite number of times. therefore failure at some
> point is guaranteed. I have HD's that are 15 yo still in use! but I'm
> sure SSD's will keep getting better. no doubt they are the way of the
> future.
>
With HDD's, the talk is of MTBF. They will fail, eventually. It is based
on runtime. Home computers aren't running 24/7/365, enterprise computers
do - which is why they have enterprise HDD's. Speaking of servers, a
friend here is soon to receive 500 servers each with a 5 drive per unit
RAID array. He's promised me a few SSDs. ;-) He has to wipe (DBAN)
each and every drive of all data. Big job.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/2/2022 11:36 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 8:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is brilliant.
>>>>>>
>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB
>>>>> SSD in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive.
>>>>> Generally, if I want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows
>>>>> based one - software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need
>>>>> it. Been doing a lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to
>>>>> give away a couple of my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them
>>>>> around 2007-2010 from scratch but they have spent a lot of time in
>>>>> the bottom of the wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they
>>>>> had some love - from someone else.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>
>>> Only if you are stupid.
>>
>>
>> that lets me out then..
>
> In your humble opinion...
>>
>>
>>> Anyone who does not have at least one backup drive that they
>>> regularly back their data up to deserves to lose it. I always taught
>>> people to have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father, son is the
>>> principle but I also suggested they had an offsite backup as well.
>>
>>
>> that takes care of the data, but what about the OS and software? which
>> is why I image my drives
>>
>
> In most situations you are better off doing a rebuild from scratch which
> whilst it may take more time, allows for a more reliable system updated
> to the latest drivers and operating system patches. You can get software
> that does create images on the go however most major business operators
> have a SOE image on a server which is booted to over the network and
> rebuilt from there as that is their desired and tested working system.
> For a home user creating an image is time consuming and generally is not
> done by the average person as they don't know how or have the storage
> capacity / software to do as such.
>
> A fresh re-image also removes old unnecessary software remnants from
> programs that have been uninstalled and or updated.
>
>>>
>>> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
>>> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
>>> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
>>> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
>>> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
>>> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
>>> be destroyed.
>>>
>>> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
>>> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>>>
>>> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
>>> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.
>>
>>
>> mechanical drives much less so, and data recovery is possible
>>
>
> Actually I have seen many more mechanical drive failures than ssd
> failures. Especially in the commercial environments where I was working.
> SSD's generally don't get damaged if a unit is dropped which is a very
> common cause of failure on mechanical drives. Recovery is possible from
> both mechanical and ssd drives now, however if the drive is bad you need
> deep pockets and the chances are with either type that you cannot
> recover your data.
>
> These are the guys I used to use https://cbldatarecovery.com.au/
>
>
>>>
>>> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
>>> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
>>> running or noises.
>>
>>
>> SSD's are noiseless, and mechanical drives have a monitoring function
>> ie. S.M.A.R.T.
>>
>
> I'm not talking only about noises. SSD's also have monitoring software
> you can install. Look at Samsung magician for one. Another hint is to
> not buy cheap SSD drives. I did a recovery on one this week which had
> areas that were unable to be read. It was running slow and locking up
> which is a sure sign of an imminent failure. It was also a cheaper brand
> of ssd drive.  Most people will just complain about the machine being
> slow without bothering to think there might be a cause. Generally if you
> check for errors in the event logs of the computer you can see patterns
> of issues leading towards hdd failure. BTW most of the time the hdd is
> dead before S.M.A.R.T. says there's an issue with your drive.
>
> Then of course there are manufacturers who stuff up and make a drive
> where failure is guaranteed. Think Seagate 7200.11 series. They were
> recoverable but it was a pita.

7200.12 were as bad in the 1TB versions.
>
>>> Most people ignore them which causes them much anguish when they fail.
>>
>>
>
> The only thing I have here that runs mechanical drives now is my NAS
> which runs WD Red pro drives. It has four in raid with one able to fail
> at any time without issues. My other backup drives I use on a regular
> basis are ssd's as I can throw them in with my laptop and not worry
> about them.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/2/2022 11:54 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:42 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 1:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 11:32 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>>> Only if you are stupid. Anyone who does not have at least one backup
>>> drive that they regularly back their data up to deserves to lose it.
>>> I always taught people to have 3 at a minimum. Grandfather, father,
>>> son is the principle but I also suggested they had an offsite backup
>>> as well.
>>>
>>> If you are running a business and have a failure you need to look at
>>> how long it will take you to be back up and running. Cloud based
>>> backup is good because it is offsite, however there are also
>>> disadvantages such as the time it takes to recover and security of
>>> your data. Onsite backup provides the opportunity for the fastest
>>> recovery however if you have a fire or other event your backup could
>>> be destroyed.
>>>
>>> If you have a malware event, the 3 backup policy is your best chance
>>> of recovery with minimal disruption.
>>>
>>> SSD drives have become much more reliable than they were in the past,
>>> however both mechanical and ssd drives are prone to instant failure.
>>
>> I've been running SSD's in machines since they first came out and have
>> never had a problem with any of them. On the other hand, I have a
>> cupboard with a dozen or so dead or flakey hard drives :)
>
>
> we believe you noddy, honestly we do...
>
The only thing I'd trust Darren to do is to lie and lie and lie!
>
>>
>>> Chances are though that before it fails, your hard drive (either
>>> mechanical or ssd) will be giving you some warning signs such as slow
>>> running or noises. Most people ignore them which causes them much
>>> anguish when they fail.
>>
>> Yep. I have 6 machines here
>
>
> yes of course you do...
>
>
>> that I'm gradually in the process of updating from old mechanical
>> drives to SSD's, and the transformation in some of them has been
>> astonishing. Boot time on one machine went from a minute and a half to
>> 12 seconds, and the general all round performance upgrade is phenomenal.
>>
>> Given the cost today, I don't know why anyone would ever be interested
>> in anything else.
>>
>>
>>
>

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/2/2022 11:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 10:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/2/2022 9:17 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is
>>>>>>> brilliant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally,
>>>>>> if I
>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been
>>>>>> doing a
>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a couple of
>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>
>>>
>>> far less likely and recovery is possible.
>>>
>>>
>>>>   Either one though, you *must* backup.
>>>
>>>
>>> I do
>>>
>> Backup stuff with a Seagate 1TB drive and you may as well not have a
>> backup. Those useless POS turn themselves into a *32 Meg drive* at the
>> drop of a hat. Ask me how I know, I have 5 here that *used to be* in
>> my server. Was told by various people around the traps, and the
>> helpdesk in Canada, that it was a *firmware issue*. They had a fix, so
>> they said, but I had one drive that had been through the RMA system
>> and *fixed*. It proceeded to die again, that's how I found out they
>> were a POS. A set of 2 TB Western Digita ldrives solved the problem
>> and they still run perfectly nearly 10 years later.
>> . >
>
> Of course you do. Are they the 7200.11 series. If so they are fixable by

I do indeed. Want the serial numbers? They are out on the table at the
moment. Seems like I am now down to 4 with one seemingly dead. Not the
7200.11 See below.

> anyone with a modicum of ability to research and a small amount of
> electronics ability. Look it up on google. Funnily enough your arch

When these die, the *only* option at the time was to send them back to
the manufacturer. One of mine went back whilst one I bought *new* had
supposedly been RMA'd and was sold to me by a local dealer and had all
the sealed Seagate wrapping on it. It wasn't a grey import either, as
verified by the Canadian helpdesk.

> enemy had exactly the same issue a number of years ago and you failed to
> mention a thing about yours. How bizarre.
>
Mine are 7200.12 Not bizarre in the slightest.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 19/02/2022 11:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/2/2022 11:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 10:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 19/2/2022 9:17 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer available.
>>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I was
>>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever owned.
>>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't need to
>>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is
>>>>>>>> brilliant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a 1TB SSD
>>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive. Generally,
>>>>>>> if I
>>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been
>>>>>>> doing a
>>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a
>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love - from
>>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> far less likely and recovery is possible.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>   Either one though, you *must* backup.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do
>>>>
>>> Backup stuff with a Seagate 1TB drive and you may as well not have a
>>> backup. Those useless POS turn themselves into a *32 Meg drive* at
>>> the drop of a hat. Ask me how I know, I have 5 here that *used to be*
>>> in my server. Was told by various people around the traps, and the
>>> helpdesk in Canada, that it was a *firmware issue*. They had a fix,
>>> so they said, but I had one drive that had been through the RMA
>>> system and *fixed*. It proceeded to die again, that's how I found out
>>> they were a POS. A set of 2 TB Western Digita ldrives solved the
>>> problem and they still run perfectly nearly 10 years later.
>>> . >
>>
>> Of course you do. Are they the 7200.11 series. If so they are fixable by
>
> I do indeed. Want the serial numbers? They are out on the table at the
> moment. Seems like I am now down to 4 with one seemingly dead. Not the
> 7200.11  See below.
Photos clearly showing the model numbers and serial numbers would be
perfect. Also a photo of a bios screen showing one of the unit serial
numbers and the 32mb capacity.
>
>> anyone with a modicum of ability to research and a small amount of
>> electronics ability. Look it up on google. Funnily enough your arch
>
> When these die, the *only* option at the time was to send them back to
> the manufacturer. One of mine went back whilst one I bought *new* had
> supposedly been RMA'd and was sold to me by a local dealer and had all
> the sealed Seagate wrapping on it. It wasn't a grey import either, as
> verified by the Canadian helpdesk.

Very interesting.. The 32mb problem only affected a series of 7200.11
drives and was not reported as an issue on the 7200.12 drives.
>
>> enemy had exactly the same issue a number of years ago and you failed
>> to mention a thing about yours. How bizarre.
>>
> Mine are 7200.12 Not bizarre in the slightest.
>

Extremely bizarre that you neither mentioned it when Noddy had the issue
nor did the 7200.12 drive have a firmware issue that caused the 32mb
bug. It was confined to the 7200.11 series.

On 19/02/2022 8:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 8:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 5:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>>>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive,
>>>>>> and neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> did I ever tell you about my time with NASA's space program?
>>>>> probably not, it was many years ago
>>>>
>>>> Strange, I worked on the US space program for 6.5 years many years
>>>> ago and I don't remember you.
>>>>
>>>> For the record
>>>>
>>>> Manned Space Flight Network Carnarvon WA 1 year.
>>>> Deep Space Network DSS41 Island Lagoon Woomera SA 2 years.
>>>> Satellite Tracking and Data Acquisition Network Orrorral Valley ACT
>>>> 3.5. years.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry peter, but you aren't even good at bullshit.
>>>>
>>>> (Now wait for the cries of self- aggrandisement)
>>>>
>>>
>>> the only bullshit here is your creative sniping and editing
>>>
>>>
>> Petulant.
>
>
> yes you are. you didn't address what I said, and just twisted the whole
> thing. you're a joke, just like Clocky says. here's the reality..
>
> ..............................
>
> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>
>>
>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive, and
>> neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>
>
> Oh ok, so for the record then we can all tell as many lies as we want
> and that's ok with you. the problem then however is we can never know
> when someone is telling the truth or not, so they lose all credibility,
> as with the case in point. btw, did I ever tell you about my time with
> NASA's space program? probably not, it was many years ago before I
> started my joint business venture with a guy called Besos. I dropped
> out, but he went on to great success I believe.
>
> ...........................
>
> hint: i'm not saying I really worked at NASA or with Besos.
>

The fact that you had to spell this out to him should send alarm bells
ringing in his head.

> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're an
> idiot.
>
>

On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>> answers to
>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>> you can
>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>
>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>
>>>
>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>> boost your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart
>>> of your integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>
>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>>
>
> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and a fawning follow up to that
> from xeno, but nothing from clocky? Odd that.

Oh you want an example question that proves you lack integrity?

Here's one:

from the thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Oct 7 2021

You assert to another poster:

>>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he
>>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>

Given your assertion above that "He asserts that the claim is true, so,
if it is unproven, he is lying."

I then asked:

>>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which
>>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>>>>>>>>>>

Your response:

>>>>>>>>>> Whatever.

"Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you had just stated, "yes" was
the only answer you could have given here if you had *any* integrity at all.

You then went on to evade answering the question as seen below.

>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
>>>>>> option - basic logic.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)

On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 16:11:52 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 19/02/2022 3:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive, and
>>> neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>
>> did I ever tell you about my time with
>> NASA's space program? probably not, it was many years ago
>
> Strange, I worked on the US space program for 6.5 years many years ago
> and I don't remember you.
>
> For the record
>
> Manned Space Flight Network Carnarvon WA 1 year.
> Deep Space Network DSS41 Island Lagoon Woomera SA 2 years.
> Satellite Tracking and Data Acquisition Network Orrorral Valley ACT 3.5.
> years.
>
> Sorry peter, but you aren't even good at bullshit.
>
> (Now wait for the cries of self- aggrandisement)

Can't hear any. The gasps of amazement are drowning everything out.

Jaysus keith! How can you possibly miss that he's taking the piss?

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On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:32:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:

> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>>> you can
>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>>> boost your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart
>>>> of your integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>
>>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>>>
>>
>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and a fawning follow up to that
>> from xeno, but nothing from clocky? Odd that.
>
> Oh you want an example question that proves you lack integrity?
>
> Here's one:
>
> from the thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Oct 7 2021
>
> You assert to another poster:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Given your assertion above that "He asserts that the claim is true, so,
> if it is unproven, he is lying."
>
> I then asked:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which
> >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> Your response:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>
> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you had just stated, "yes" was
> the only answer you could have given here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>
> You then went on to evade answering the question as seen below.
>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
> >>>>>> option - basic logic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)

In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.

alvey

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On 19/02/2022 10:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're an
> idiot.

OK show me where I said that I don't care if people lie.

On 20/02/2022 12:26 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 8:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 11:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 8:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 5:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>>>>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys
>>>>>>> automotive, and neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> did I ever tell you about my time with NASA's space program?
>>>>>> probably not, it was many years ago
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange, I worked on the US space program for 6.5 years many years
>>>>> ago and I don't remember you.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record
>>>>>
>>>>> Manned Space Flight Network Carnarvon WA 1 year.
>>>>> Deep Space Network DSS41 Island Lagoon Woomera SA 2 years.
>>>>> Satellite Tracking and Data Acquisition Network Orrorral Valley ACT
>>>>> 3.5. years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry peter, but you aren't even good at bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Now wait for the cries of self- aggrandisement)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the only bullshit here is your creative sniping and editing
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Petulant.
>>
>>
>> yes you are. you didn't address what I said, and just twisted the
>> whole thing. you're a joke, just like Clocky says. here's the reality..
>>
>> ..............................
>>
>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive,
>>> and neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>
>>
>> Oh ok, so for the record then we can all tell as many lies as we want
>> and that's ok with you. the problem then however is we can never know
>> when someone is telling the truth or not, so they lose all
>> credibility, as with the case in point. btw, did I ever tell you about
>> my time with NASA's space program? probably not, it was many years ago
>> before I started my joint business venture with a guy called Besos. I
>> dropped out, but he went on to great success I believe.
>>
>> ...........................
>>
>> hint: i'm not saying I really worked at NASA or with Besos.
>>
>
>
> The fact that you had to spell this out to him should send alarm bells
> ringing in his head.

Do you not think that I knew what he was trying to do (badly) and just
didn't play the game that he was trying on? Jeeze you're thick the pair
of you, maybe I'll just not have to be so subtle in future.

On 20/02/2022 8:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 10:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
>> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're
>> an idiot.
>
> OK show me where I said that I don't care if people lie.

It's rather bizarre that these fuckwits would make such a noise about
"truth" and how vitally important it is in an irrelevant newsgroup like
this, yet not one of them seems keen to say a *single* word about
Clasener and his horrendous history of bullshit that's been perpetrated
in this group.

Not one. Not even from Jerky Jerkoff, who as we know felt that Clasener
talked *so* much shit that he felt it necessary to "investigate" him
over it, and who after Clasener no doubt sent him the most pathetic
"please don't hurt me" private email turned around to become his best
friend going on to claim that he had a "moral obligation" to not reveal
who he is.

Strange.

And yet here we have Felix, the dumbest fuckwit this group has *ever*
known, throwing his *own* variety of bullshit into the mix in claiming
that because you don't give a fuck about anything to do with *me* that
you don't care if "people lie".

You couldn't make up shit as mental as this if you *wanted* to....

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On 20/02/2022 1:32 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes.
>>>>>> Whether you can
>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>>> boost your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart
>>>> of your integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>
>>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>>>
>>
>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and a fawning follow up to
>> that from xeno, but nothing from clocky? Odd that.
>
>
> Oh you want an example question that proves you lack integrity?
>
> Here's one:
>
> from the thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Oct 7 2021
>
> You assert to another poster:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Given your assertion above that "He asserts that the claim is true, so,
> if it is unproven, he is lying."
>
> I then asked:
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which
> >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> Your response:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>
> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you had just stated, "yes" was
> the only answer you could have given here if you had *any* integrity at
> all.
>
> You then went on to evade answering the question as seen below.
>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
> >>>>>> option - basic logic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)
>
>
Fill your boots you can, and based on past performance will, believe
anything that you want.

On 20/02/2022 6:33 am, alvey wrote:

> In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.

You seem to have a strange fascination with my DNA kinda kinky really.

On 19/02/2022 10:52 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 19/2/2022 10:29 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 9:55 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:40:53 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 19/02/2022 9:27 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 09:17:54 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer
>>>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I
>>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever
>>>>>>>>>> owned.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't
>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is
>>>>>>>>>> brilliant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a
>>>>>>>>> 1TB SSD
>>>>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive.
>>>>>>>>> Generally, if I
>>>>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been
>>>>>>>>> doing a
>>>>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a
>>>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love -
>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>>>> far less likely [to crash]
>>>>> Nope. https://tinyurl.com/y2ywzn93
>>>> lol. they compared 12 month old SSD's to 4 yo Hard Drives
>>>>
>>>> but..
>>>>
>>>> "When the company examined the 171,919 hard disks it uses for storage
>>>> across its data centers, the failure rates were very low indeed - even
>>>> for drives that had been in active service for many years."
>>>>
>>>>>> and recovery is possible.
>>>>> I'll pass that on to an aquaintance who lost her entire photo library.
>>>>> Kids, grandkids, holidays, milestone birthdays, the lot.
>>>> she should have had them backed up. easy to do now with cloud
>>>> storage sync
>>>>
>>> Take #2
>>> https://www.wepc.com/tips/ssd-reliability/
>>>
>>
>> I haven't looked at it yet, but the thing is with SSD's (afaik) they
>> can only be written to a finite number of times. therefore failure at
>> some point is guaranteed. I have HD's that are 15 yo still in use! but
>> I'm sure SSD's will keep getting better. no doubt they are the way of
>> the future.
>>
> With HDD's, the talk is of MTBF. They will fail, eventually. It is based
> on runtime. Home computers aren't running 24/7/365, enterprise computers
> do - which is why they have enterprise HDD's. Speaking of servers, a
> friend here is soon to receive 500 servers each with a 5 drive per unit
> RAID array. He's promised me a few SSDs.  ;-)  He has to wipe (DBAN)
> each and every drive of all data. Big job.
>
Everything electronic has an MTBF, not just hard disks. It is a
calculated value representing the sum of the failure rates of the
components. With spinning rust hard disks, to get the maximum life, you
never turn them off.

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 09:00:58 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 20/02/2022 8:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 10:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
>>> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're
>>> an idiot.
>>
>> OK show me where I said that I don't care if people lie.
>
> It's rather bizarre that these fuckwits would make such a noise about
> "truth" and how vitally important it is in an irrelevant newsgroup like
> this, yet not one of them seems keen to say a *single* word about
> Clasener and his horrendous history of bullshit that's been perpetrated
> in this group.

Ummmm.
How do you know that if you've got so many of us in your (snigger) mighty
killfail Fraudster?

"This is Radio Bumhole! Where the hits keep coming!"

alvey
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On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:25:56 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

> On 20/02/2022 6:33 am, alvey wrote:
>
>> In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.
>
> You seem to have a strange fascination with my DNA kinda kinky really.

Why not? Unlike you, it's an interesting subject, and one with limitless
possibilities. Like, imagine the world without narcissistic sociopaths...

alvey
Thinking that for one thing, social media would be a far better place.

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On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:24:31 +1000, keithr0 wrote:

>>
> Fill your boots you can, and based on past performance will, believe
> anything that you want.

Nice of you to put Yoda up keith, but it's probably a good idea to keep
your pc locked.

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On 20/02/2022 8:46 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 08:25:56 +1000, keithr0 wrote:
>
>> On 20/02/2022 6:33 am, alvey wrote:
>>
>>> In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.
>>
>> You seem to have a strange fascination with my DNA kinda kinky really.
>
> Why not? Unlike you, it's an interesting subject, and one with limitless
> possibilities. Like, imagine the world without narcissistic sociopaths...

Well mine lives on in 16 others how about yours?

Hopefully the answer is none because the world without narcissistic
sociopaths would be a far better place.

On 20/02/2022 9:25 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 20/02/2022 6:33 am, alvey wrote:
>
>> In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.
>
> You seem to have a strange fascination with my DNA kinda kinky really.

Alvey has a strange fascination with a *lot* of things.

Just look at the irrational world he lives in. He can't go a day without
making the same dozen infantile posts about me as if no one has ever
heard them before, and he has this bizarre notion that whatever he
imagines about me is "proven" to be true despite him not ever having
shown proof of jack shit in the real world.

He's certainly not playing with a full deck, that's for sure :)

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On 20/02/2022 12:30 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:12 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 19/2/2022 11:48 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 10:29 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 19/2/2022 9:17 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 7:24 am, alvey wrote:
>>>>>> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 00:32:00 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 10:48 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 18/2/2022 10:16 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 18/2/22 4:01 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 2:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 18/02/2022 11:54 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:24 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 8:36 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 3:55 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> usually programmers specialize in one or two languages
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> only,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't they? so is this then a case of jack of all trades,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> master of none?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You have absolutely no concept about the software business.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I programmed my Mac in Basic does that count?  :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No on two counts. One, it's a fucking Mac and two it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> BASIC :-)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> well back in the 1980's it was the best home computer
>>>>>>>>>>> available.
>>>>>>>>>> It was the computer for people who knew nothing about computers
>>>>>>>>>> (still is too).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got a new Mac mini which replaced the old Mac mini that I
>>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>>> given for free, by far the most reliable computer I've ever
>>>>>>>>> owned.
>>>>>>>>> I don't claim to know anything about computers and I don't
>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>> because it just does what its supposed to and never gives me any
>>>>>>>>> problems.
>>>>>>>>> Funny thing is I hate iPhone's but I think the Mac Mini is
>>>>>>>>> brilliant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The Mac Mini is a brilliant piece of kit, it just does what it is
>>>>>>>> supposed to and doesn't give you grief. I will be sticking a
>>>>>>>> 1TB SSD
>>>>>>>> in it soon, get rid of the old 5400 rpm platter drive.
>>>>>>>> Generally, if I
>>>>>>>> want to tinker with computers, I drag out a Windows based one -
>>>>>>>> software and hardware tinkering galore, and they need it. Been
>>>>>>>> doing a
>>>>>>>> lot of that this past couple of weeks, going to give away a
>>>>>>>> couple of
>>>>>>>> my old Window (Win7) computers. I built them around 2007-2010 from
>>>>>>>> scratch but they have spent a lot of time in the bottom of the
>>>>>>>> wardrobe unused these past few years. Time they had some love -
>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>> someone else.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't like SSD's. you can lose all your data in an instant.
>>>>>> Ummm. You can on a platter too.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> far less likely and recovery is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>   Either one though, you *must* backup.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I do
>>>>>
>>>> Backup stuff with a Seagate 1TB drive and you may as well not have
>>>> a backup. Those useless POS turn themselves into a *32 Meg drive*
>>>> at the drop of a hat. Ask me how I know, I have 5 here that *used
>>>> to be* in my server. Was told by various people around the traps,
>>>> and the helpdesk in Canada, that it was a *firmware issue*. They
>>>> had a fix, so they said, but I had one drive that had been through
>>>> the RMA system and *fixed*. It proceeded to die again, that's how I
>>>> found out they were a POS. A set of 2 TB Western Digita ldrives
>>>> solved the problem and they still run perfectly nearly 10 years later.
>>>> . >
>>>
>>> Of course you do. Are they the 7200.11 series. If so they are
>>> fixable by
>>
>> I do indeed. Want the serial numbers? They are out on the table at
>> the moment. Seems like I am now down to 4 with one seemingly dead.
>> Not the 7200.11  See below.
>  Photos clearly showing the model numbers and serial numbers would be
> perfect. Also a photo of a bios screen showing one of the unit serial
> numbers and the 32mb capacity.

lol. how about you ask your mate for photos of his claimed
qualifications instead?

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On 20/02/2022 1:26 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 8:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 19/02/2022 11:22 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 19/02/2022 8:04 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 19/02/2022 5:11 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:00 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>>>>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys
>>>>>>> automotive, and neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> did I ever tell you about my time with NASA's space program?
>>>>>> probably not, it was many years ago
>>>>>
>>>>> Strange, I worked on the US space program for 6.5 years many years
>>>>> ago and I don't remember you.
>>>>>
>>>>> For the record
>>>>>
>>>>> Manned Space Flight Network Carnarvon WA 1 year.
>>>>> Deep Space Network DSS41 Island Lagoon Woomera SA 2 years.
>>>>> Satellite Tracking and Data Acquisition Network Orrorral Valley
>>>>> ACT 3.5. years.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry peter, but you aren't even good at bullshit.
>>>>>
>>>>> (Now wait for the cries of self- aggrandisement)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the only bullshit here is your creative sniping and editing
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Petulant.
>>
>>
>> yes you are. you didn't address what I said, and just twisted the
>> whole thing. you're a joke, just like Clocky says. here's the reality..
>>
>> ..............................
>>
>> On 19/02/2022 3:08 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or
>>> whether he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive,
>>> and neither do I care in the least one way or another.
>>
>>
>> Oh ok, so for the record then we can all tell as many lies as we want
>> and that's ok with you. the problem then however is we can never know
>> when someone is telling the truth or not, so they lose all
>> credibility, as with the case in point. btw, did I ever tell you
>> about my time with NASA's space program? probably not, it was many
>> years ago before I started my joint business venture with a guy
>> called Besos. I dropped out, but he went on to great success I believe.
>>
>> ...........................
>>
>> hint: i'm not saying I really worked at NASA or with Besos.
>>
>
>
> The fact that you had to spell this out to him should send alarm bells
> ringing in his head.

absolutely

>
>> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
>> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're
>> an idiot.
>>
>>

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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 20/02/2022 2:32 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes.
>>>>>> Whether you can
>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>>> boost your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart
>>>> of your integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>
>>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>>>
>>
>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and a fawning follow up to
>> that from xeno, but nothing from clocky? Odd that.
>
>
> Oh you want an example question that proves you lack integrity?
>
> Here's one:
>
> from the thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Oct 7 2021
>
> You assert to another poster:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is
> >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he
> >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
>
> Given your assertion above that "He asserts that the claim is true,
> so, if it is unproven, he is lying."
>
> I then asked:
>
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which
> >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
> >>>>>>>>>>
>
> Your response:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>
> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you had just stated, "yes" was
> the only answer you could have given here if you had *any* integrity
> at all.
>
> You then went on to evade answering the question as seen below.
>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
> >>>>>> option - basic logic.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)
>
>

I remember this. a good example of his lack of integrity.  :)

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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 20/02/2022 7:33 am, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Feb 2022 23:32:10 +0800, Clocky wrote:
>
>> On 19/02/2022 11:27 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 18/02/2022 2:56 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 18/02/2022 12:24 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 17/02/2022 5:38 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>>> On 17/02/2022 12:05 pm, alvey wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't "expect answers to [keith blah blah]", but I *do* expect
>>>>>>> answers to
>>>>>>> legitimate questions concerning claims which someone makes. Whether
>>>>>>> you can
>>>>>>> see it or not, there's a big difference there.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter alvey, the bargain is you give answers, you get
>>>>>> answers. like it or leave it the choice is yours.
>>>>>
>>>>> You only answer questions that provide you with an opportunity to
>>>>> boost your own ego. You don't answer questions that go to the heart
>>>>> of your integrity however, you evade those wholesale.
>>>> Really? now you get to back up the accusation. Go ahead, make my day.
>>>>
>>> The usual smartarse nonsense from alvey and a fawning follow up to that
>>> from xeno, but nothing from clocky? Odd that.
>> Oh you want an example question that proves you lack integrity?
>>
>> Here's one:
>>
>> from the thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Oct 7 2021
>>
>> You assert to another poster:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> proven liar.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> nonsense. not providing proof doesn't mean the claim is
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> false, only that it's unproven
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> is lying.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Given your assertion above that "He asserts that the claim is true, so,
>> if it is unproven, he is lying."
>>
>> I then asked:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> In that case NoddyLiar, claiming he is qualified for which
>> >>>>>>>>>>> *no* evidence has been provided or found anywhere, is lying.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Agreed?
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>
>> Your response:
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Whatever.
>>
>> "Whatever" isn't an answer. Given what you had just stated, "yes" was
>> the only answer you could have given here if you had *any* integrity at all.
>>
>> You then went on to evade answering the question as seen below.
>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> "yes" is your only option Keith :-)
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I choose my own options, thank you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> You only had one option to choose.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> If there is only one course of action available then there are no
>> >>>>>> option - basic logic.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Basic logic says you're fucked.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> We will just call this Keef's paradox :-)
> In short, keith shares a lot of DNA with the Fraudster.
>
>

sharing DNA with the fraudster. now there's a horrible thought!

>
>
>
> alvey
>

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"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy

On 20/02/2022 8:43 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 19/02/2022 10:36 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> and you're on record saying you don't care if ppl lie or not and it
>> doesn't matter if they do. i just told you why it does matter. you're
>> an idiot.
>
> OK show me where I said that I don't care if people lie.

ffs are you not following the thread?

"For the record, I have no idea what qualifications noddy has or whether
he did or did not run a business called noddys automotive, and neither
do I care in the least one way or another."

--
https://tinyurl.com/Yosemite-Sam
"His opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster
"His self serving ego pumping comments just
read like witless wankery"- Clocky on Keefy