On 25/11/2021 3:56 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 12:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by
>>> these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>
>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> most of the hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>> illegitimate.
>>
>>
>
> That's true and most are probably peaceful.
> It's their democratic right to protest and as long as they do it
> peacefully and don't interfere with other people going about their
> business I don't have a problem with it.

and that's how it was

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>
>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>
>>>
>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>
>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>
>>
>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>
> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated. There
> are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
> evidence though.

fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is trying
to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the vax
has caused miscarriages.

>
>
>
>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be discriminated
>> against on medical grounds for employment and normal everyday
>> activities like shopping and dining
>
> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
> part of society, they can move.

where to. Mars?

>
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>
>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> really?
>>>
>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>
>>>
>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities
>>>> are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented
>>>> age and vax rules?
>>>
>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>
>>
>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
>> brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>> Victoria
>
> **You still need to prove your claim.
>

so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>
>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>
>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>>>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>
>>>
>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>
>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
>> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
>> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated. There
>> are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
>> evidence though.
>
>
> fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is trying
> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the vax
> has caused miscarriages.
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be discriminated
>>> against on medical grounds for employment and normal everyday
>>> activities like shopping and dining
>>
>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
>> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
>> part of society, they can move.
>
>
> where to. Mars?

There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with just
about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want to live
under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular society, you
conform to the conditions of that society.

>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities
>>>>> are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented
>>>>> age and vax rules?
>>>>
>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
>>> brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>> Victoria
>>
>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>
>
> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>
>
If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
gasping for breath.

On 25/11/2021 4:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy
>> ppl should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment
>> and normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>
> Actually they are being discriminated against on grounds of being idiots.
>
> I am being discriminated against, CASA won't let me have a pilots
> licence because I'm an insulin dependent diabetic,

I assume because there's a reasonable or significant risk of a medical
episode while piloting an aircraft?

> but I'm not marching against their headquarters about it. If you live
> in a society, you have to accept limitations.
>
>

of course. but denying ppl the right to go shopping or work because
they're unvaccinated against a virus with a mortality rate in Australia
of less than 1% is unreasonable.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by
>>> these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>
>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>> illegitimate.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> *Hundred of thousands*?

that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
estimated 300 thousand in the last rally

> ..Anyway, 'The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few'.
>
>
>                 Compliments of Spock. (he`s on the money.)
>
>
>>
>>
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 5:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>
>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>
>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming
>>> medical evidence though.
>>
>>
>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is
>> trying to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it.
>> apparently the vax has caused miscarriages.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be
>>>> discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and normal
>>>> everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>>
>>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have
>>> certain responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't
>>> want to be part of society, they can move.
>>
>>
>> where to. Mars?
>
> There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with
> just about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want
> to live under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular
> society, you conform to the conditions of that society.
>
>>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really?
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids
>>>>>> activities are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and
>>>>>> implemented age and vax rules?
>>>>>
>>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half
>>>> a brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>>> Victoria
>>>
>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>
>>
>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>>
>>
> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
> gasping for breath.

there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>
>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>
>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>>>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>
>>>
>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>
>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
>> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
>> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated. There
>> are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
>> evidence though.
>
>
> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.

**No, I'm not, but I am right about this.

my niece is trying
> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the vax
> has caused miscarriages.

**Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.

Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
Youtube anti-vaxxer.

>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be discriminated
>>> against on medical grounds for employment and normal everyday
>>> activities like shopping and dining
>>
>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
>> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
>> part of society, they can move.
>
>
> where to. Mars?

**Nope. There's plenty of places where anti-vaxxers can go in Australia,
where contact with sane humans is rare.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> really?
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities
>>>>> are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented
>>>>> age and vax rules?
>>>>
>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>
>>>
>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
>>> brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>> Victoria
>>
>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>
>
> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?

**YOU still need to prove your claim.

On 25/11/2021 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really?
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids
>>>>>> activities are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and
>>>>>> implemented age and vax rules?
>>>>>
>>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half
>>>> a brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>>> Victoria
>>>
>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>
>>
>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>
> **YOU still need to prove your claim.
>

I don't. to sensible ppl. only someone really stupid would try to
suggest all the rules were all perfect. goodbye!

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>> No, it's true.
>> When and where was this?
>>
>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>
>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>> 70's in Victoria.
>>
>>

yep. I remember the tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages

>>
>>> We were making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>>> tetraethyl lead.
>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
> It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine
>> Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
>> petrol but turps?
>>
>>
>>
>> Daryl

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>>
>> **No, they are not.
>
> Not even *remotely* close :)
>
> I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching, but in Melbourne the
> media has been full of pictures and video of *violent* protest with many
> arrests being made.
>
>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
>
> I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
> rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
> compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the government's
> authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object to similar
> social practices of "no jab no play" programs for unvaccinated children
> attending day care centres. I'd probably also suggest that a fair
> portion of those who are currently protesting *against* the Covid jab
> have children themselves and complied with the "no jab no play" rule
> without argument.
>
>> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer
>> funded medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care
>> of morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However,
>> vaccination is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far
>> more difficult.
>
> Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax contributions
> are spent.
>
>>   a lot of people here are very angry.
>>
>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a
>> high street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry
>> with the government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese
>> government for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>
> You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying to
> do anything about that.
>
>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>
>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>> morons.
>
> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
> vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
> think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff for
> such jobs.

Went to the Good Guys in Melton this morning to buy a new TV and was
asked to check in and show my vax status, went to the Post Office in The
Village this afternoon and checked in but wasn't asked about vax status,
most people were wearing masks but one young female customer wasn't and
no one complained.
Was asked to show vax status at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago.
Wife's church is going back to normal services from this Sunday and she
has been told that they have to check the vax status of everyone.

--
Daryl

On 25/11/2021 4:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 5:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming
>>>> medical evidence though.
>>>
>>>
>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is
>>> trying to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it.
>>> apparently the vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be
>>>>> discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and normal
>>>>> everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>>>
>>>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have
>>>> certain responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't
>>>> want to be part of society, they can move.
>>>
>>>
>>> where to. Mars?
>>
>> There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with
>> just about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want
>> to live under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular
>> society, you conform to the conditions of that society.
>>
>>>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids
>>>>>>> activities are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and
>>>>>>> implemented age and vax rules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half
>>>>> a brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>>>> Victoria
>>>>
>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>>>
>>>
>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>> gasping for breath.
>
>
> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now

Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.

On 25/11/2021 4:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 2:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>> that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy
>>> ppl should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment
>>> and normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>
>> Actually they are being discriminated against on grounds of being idiots.
>>
>> I am being discriminated against, CASA won't let me have a pilots
>> licence because I'm an insulin dependent diabetic,
>
>
> I assume because there's a reasonable or significant risk of a medical
> episode while piloting an aircraft?

Very little, I could get a licence in the US for instance, but I'm not
making a fuss about it.

>> but I'm not marching against their headquarters about it. If you live
>> in a society, you have to accept limitations.
>>
>>
>
> of course. but denying ppl the right to go shopping or work because
> they're unvaccinated against a virus with a mortality rate in Australia
> of less than 1% is unreasonable.

It's within their own power not to be discriminated against, they just
need to get a jab. It's free and easy, and they won't be injected with
nano particles that would enable Bill Gates and the global cabal of
pedophiles to track them.

On 25/11/21 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>
>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl
>> should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and
>> normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>
> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
> part of society, they can move.

I find it amusing listening to these clowns refusing to be vaccinated,
yet they mostly comply with the thousands of rules and regulations that
govern our daily lives.
One of my son's employs isn't getting vaccinated "because those cunts
can't tell me what to do" yet he has a drivers license, puts his seat
belt on when in a car, doesn't smoke in the pub etc etc etc, he's just
being a dick because he can.

--
Daryl

On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>
>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>>>>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>
>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
>>> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
>>> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
>>> evidence though.
>>
>>
>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>
> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>
>  my niece is trying
>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>
> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>
> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
> Youtube anti-vaxxer.

Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
trust your doctor.

--
Daryl

On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming
>>>> medical evidence though.
>>>
>>>
>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>
>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>
>>   my niece is trying
>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>>
>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>
>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>
> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
> trust your doctor.
>
>
>

**Correct.

On 25/11/21 4:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy
>> ppl should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment
>> and normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>
> Actually they are being discriminated against on grounds of being idiots.
>
> I am being discriminated against, CASA won't let me have a pilots
> licence because I'm an insulin dependent diabetic,

What a bunch of pricks:-)

but I'm not marching
> against their headquarters about it. If you live in a society, you have
> to accept limitations.
>
Exactly.

--
Daryl

On 25/11/2021 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>>
>> **No, they are not.
>
> Not even *remotely* close :)
>
> I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching, but in Melbourne the
> media has been full of pictures and video of *violent* protest with many
> arrests being made.
>
>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
>
> I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
> rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
> compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the government's
> authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object to similar
> social practices of "no jab no play" programs for unvaccinated children
> attending day care centres. I'd probably also suggest that a fair
> portion of those who are currently protesting *against* the Covid jab
> have children themselves and complied with the "no jab no play" rule
> without argument.
>
>> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer
>> funded medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care
>> of morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However,
>> vaccination is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far
>> more difficult.
>
> Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax contributions
> are spent.
>
>>   a lot of people here are very angry.
>>
>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a
>> high street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry
>> with the government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese
>> government for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>
> You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying to
> do anything about that.
>
>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>
>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>> morons.
>
> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
> vaccination status,

**Jeez, they do up here. I've been to a couple of cafes, the aged care
home, Big W and a couple of other places. All required proof of
vaccination, before they allowed entry. I haven't been to Bunnings in
the past few weeks, but I betcha they take it seriously too. The
prescence of a refrigerator sized Moari, who turned people away, if they
failed to check in correctly, suggests that they take it all pretty
seriously. My local Coles just has the scariest employee standing out
front, checking customer's details.

and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
> think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff,

**I agree. It's very unfair. Bunnings do it right. A giant Maori seems
to do the trick.

and I can just
> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff for
> such jobs.

**Yep. Like Bunnings do/did.

>
> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a Saturday
> flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check in
> facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the woman I
> spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities were
> necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family picnic in a
> park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and as such it
> needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she agreed to that
> she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within the council's
> authority to demand that such practices be in place, and I suggested
> that as the council was the "authority" who issued the permit for the
> market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and added that if
> the council didn't want to act on this I would take it to the Department
> of Health and see what they had to say.
>
> Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.

**A good result.

>
>>   and
>>> kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>
>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>
> Yep. No one is exempt.
>
>>   the CHO
>>> mandates rules without entire consideration of the implications and
>>> consequences
>>
>> **Prove it.
>
> Felix is partially right, but not completely.
>
> In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has overall
> authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be implemented as
> far as public health is concerned, and the government cannot alter or
> ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of "ignoring a
> directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal offence.

**Felix claimed that no consideration of the implications was taken.

>
> Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
> consideration" however is an utter nonsense,

**Of course.

as the overriding
> consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief Health Officer is the
> health and safety of the general populace, and doing whatever is
> necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic and protect as many
> people as possible. That means doing things that piss some people off
> and they can't see the value in it themselves (which I have no doubt
> Felix cannot), but the greater good is the main consideration at the
> expense of some personal liberties.

**Yeah, it's no big deal. Felix needs to speak to some old people and
ask them what REAL restrictions are like. The 1940s, for instance.

>
> What's happening in Victoria at the moment is that Premier Andrews is
> attempting to push a bill through State Parliament that will take
> overall authority for public health away from the CHO and place it
> directly in the hands of the Premier while the Chief Health Officer is
> relegated to an "advisory" role with the government having no obligation
> to comply with any recommendation the CHO may issue.
>
> If ever people in Victoria wanted to protest about anything, that should
> be it.

**Agreed.

On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be
>>>> vaccinated. There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the
>>>> overwhelming medical evidence though.
>>>
>>>
>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>
>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>
>>   my niece is trying
>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>>
>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>
>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>
> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
> trust your doctor.
>
>
>

you and Trevor have no idea what information she has obtained or from
where or what her doctor is telling her. only stupid ppl make
assumptions and treat them as fact.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 7:23 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>>
>>> **No, they are not.
>>
>> Not even *remotely* close :)
>>
>> I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching, but in Melbourne the
>> media has been full of pictures and video of *violent* protest with
>> many arrests being made.
>>
>>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
>>
>> I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
>> rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
>> compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the
>> government's authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object
>> to similar social practices of "no jab no play" programs for
>> unvaccinated children attending day care centres. I'd probably also
>> suggest that a fair portion of those who are currently protesting
>> *against* the Covid jab have children themselves and complied with
>> the "no jab no play" rule without argument.
>>
>>> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer
>>> funded medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the
>>> care of morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However,
>>> vaccination is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is
>>> far more difficult.
>>
>> Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax
>> contributions are spent.
>>
>>>   a lot of people here are very angry.
>>>
>>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a
>>> high street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry
>>> with the government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the
>>> Chinese government for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>>
>> You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying
>> to do anything about that.
>>
>>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>>
>>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>>> morons.
>>
>> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>> vaccination status,
>
> **Jeez, they do up here. I've been to a couple of cafes, the aged care
> home, Big W and a couple of other places. All required proof of
> vaccination, before they allowed entry. I haven't been to Bunnings in
> the past few weeks, but I betcha they take it seriously too. The
> prescence of a refrigerator sized Moari, who turned people away, if
> they failed to check in correctly, suggests that they take it all
> pretty seriously. My local Coles just has the scariest employee
> standing out front, checking customer's details.
>
>
>>  and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I think it places a
>> *lot* of stress on business staff,
>
> **I agree. It's very unfair. Bunnings do it right. A giant Maori seems
> to do the trick.
>
>
>>  and I can just imagine some innocent kid working the door at some
>> department store coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who
>> think they're being discriminated against. It has the potential to
>> get *real* ugly, and I think the larger stores should be employing
>> dedicated security staff for such jobs.
>
> **Yep. Like Bunnings do/did.
>
>>
>> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a
>> Saturday flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR
>> check in facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained
>> the woman I spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR
>> facilities were necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a
>> family picnic in a park, this was a dedicated public event at a
>> dedicated and as such it needed to have a QR check in procedure in
>> place. Once she agreed to that she changed her stance to declare that
>> it wasn't within the council's authority to demand that such
>> practices be in place, and I suggested that as the council was the
>> "authority" who issued the permit for the market in the first place I
>> was pretty sure it was, and added that if the council didn't want to
>> act on this I would take it to the Department of Health and see what
>> they had to say.
>>
>> Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.
>
> **A good result.
>
>>
>>>
>>>> and kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>>
>>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>>
>> Yep. No one is exempt.
>>
>>>
>>>>   the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>> implications and consequences
>>>
>>> **Prove it.
>>
>> Felix is partially right, but not completely.
>>
>> In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has
>> overall authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be
>> implemented as far as public health is concerned, and the government
>> cannot alter or ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of
>> "ignoring a directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal
>> offence.
>
> **Felix claimed that no consideration of the implications was taken.

I did not. what I said is right here above

>
>>
>> Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
>> consideration" however is an utter nonsense,
>
> **Of course.
>
>
>> as the overriding consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief
>> Health Officer is the health and safety of the general populace, and
>> doing whatever is necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic
>> and protect as many people as possible. That means doing things that
>> piss some people off and they can't see the value in it themselves
>> (which I have no doubt Felix cannot), but the greater good is the
>> main consideration at the expense of some personal liberties.
>
> **Yeah, it's no big deal. Felix needs to speak to some old people and
> ask them what REAL restrictions are like. The 1940s, for instance.
>
>>
>> What's happening in Victoria at the moment is that Premier Andrews is
>> attempting to push a bill through State Parliament that will take
>> overall authority for public health away from the CHO and place it
>> directly in the hands of the Premier while the Chief Health Officer
>> is relegated to an "advisory" role with the government having no
>> obligation to comply with any recommendation the CHO may issue.
>>
>> If ever people in Victoria wanted to protest about anything, that
>> should be it.

they are and have been

>
> **Agreed.
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>
>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>>>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by
>>>> these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>
>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>> illegitimate.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>> *Hundred of thousands*?
>
>
> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>
Sounds too high, but, obviously, every rat bag conspiracy theorist in
Victoria was there, there was even a guy with a "Vote Trump in 2020"
flag. Obviously he didn't realise that we wasn't in America and that
it's 2021.

In the Sydney rally there was a woman with a placard saying "The blood
of Jesus is my vaccine". Good luck with that, she may get to meet him
sooner than she thinks.

On 25/11/2021 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>>
>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
>>> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
>>> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
>>> evidence though.
>>
>>
>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>
> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.

It's okay. Felix is usually *wrong* about everything :)

>  my niece is trying
>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>
> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>
> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
> Youtube anti-vaxxer.

Yep. There is no credible evidence anywhere to suggest that pregnant
women are at any more risk from a Covid vaccination than anyone else.

My sister has lung cancer. A few of her friends suggested that she
shouldn't get vaccinated because it can adversely effect people with
compromised immune systems. She spoke to her Oncologist and he told her
to get some new friends as her old ones were fucking idiots and it was
precisely *because* she had a compromised immune system that she should
get vaccinated as soon as possible.

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On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>
>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>
> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.

That's because some people only believe what they *want* to be true.
They're usually the "askhole" type. Ask the same question over and over
until they get the answer they *want* to hear.

> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
> trust your doctor.

It's a perfectly healthy attitude to question what you are being told,
but when all of the world's medical experts tell you the same thing it's
perfectly *unhealthy* to think that they're wrong and you need to seek
advice from someone else.

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On 25/11/2021 7:00 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>
>>   the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl
>>> should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and
>>> normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>
>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
>> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
>> part of society, they can move.
>
> I find it amusing listening to these clowns refusing to be vaccinated,
> yet they mostly comply with the thousands of rules and regulations that
> govern our daily lives.
> One of my son's employs isn't getting vaccinated "because those cunts
> can't tell me what to do" yet he has a drivers license, puts his seat
> belt on when in a car, doesn't smoke in the pub etc etc etc, he's just
> being a dick because he can.

And that's one of the biggest things in the "anti-vax" movement at the
moment. Not concerns about the vaccine itself, but objecting to being
told what to do.

These very same mind numblingly fucking *stupid* people who live in a
regulated society who comply with it's rules each and every day without
so much as a whimper about doing so....

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On 25/11/2021 6:52 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>
> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.

This has always been the case. The overwhelming majority of
hospitalizations are made up of those who remain unvaccinated, and the
percentage of deaths as a result is even greater.

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On 25/11/2021 5:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
>>> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to
>>> be part of society, they can move.
>>
>>
>> where to. Mars?
>
> There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with just
> about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want to live
> under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular society, you
> conform to the conditions of that society.

Absolutely spot on.

Of course, Felix apparently doesn't understand that he *already* lives
in a society where there are rules and regulations that he has to comply
with on a daily basis, and he apparently has no problem with doing that.
Yet for some bizarre reason he objects here.

>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?

No one was disadvantaged unnecessarily. You might be too short sighted
to appreciate it, but there was (and still is) and end game here with
the objective being the greater good of the community as a whole.

Not just you.

> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
> gasping for breath.

Absolutely.

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