On 27/11/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 10:00 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 9:18 am, John_H wrote:
>>> Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Also had skin cancers excised on a couple of occasions with no fee.
>>> Surgeon is openly gay (which doesn't bother me) and has had at least
>>> one brush with the cops who suspected him of making pornographic
>>> movies with underage boys (as told to me by a local homophobe... er
>>> cop).  Consequently a lot of folk won't go near him, some of whom
>>> attacked him on facebook not long ago.  He's now moved to another
>>> location, probably in the hope his reputation doesn't precede him.  He
>>> did a brilliant job on my skin cancers first time around with no
>>> visible scars, not quite so good the second time.  Wife recently had
>>> one removed,for a nominal fee, by the Flying Skin Cancer Doctor (part
>>> of the RFDS) and they botched it according to her (she even has the
>>> scar to prove it).
>>>
>>>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>>
>>> And get butchered when your turn finally comes (which is pretty
>>> standard in Q).  At least three regional public hospitals are
>>> currently under investigation over various issues.
>>>
>> When I had to have a skin cancer removed my GP sent me to a plastic
>> surgeon rather than a general surgeon "because they won't care and you
>> will end up with a big ugly scar".
>> Its on my back so I can't see it but my wife says the scar is almost
>> invisible, if you didn't know where to look you wouldn't find it.
>
> Funny you mention that.
>
> I had both my carpal tunnels done some years ago, and about 3 years
> apart from each other. A plastic surgeon did the first one, and a
> general surgeon did the second. The Plastic did it by keyhole surgery
> leaving only a small barely noticeable little "x" in the meat of the
> palm, and another at the base of it. Extremely neat and tidy, and the
> recovery time was a matter of a few days before I could use my hand
> properly.
>
> The general surgeon was completely different. He made a large open cut
> of about 40mm right through the middle of the palm, and while the scar
> isn't huge the recovery time took *forever*. It was a *much* more
> invasive wound and compared to the other hand it hurt like hell for some
> time.
>
> I was advised about this before hand during the pre-surgery
> consultation, but unfortunately the plastic surgeon who did the first
> one was no longer going it and I figured that the general surgeon was
> probably talking it up a little bit just to cover all bases.
>
> But he wasn't. The cunt :)
>
>
You found out the hard way, if my GP hadn't mentioned the difference
between the 2 different surgeons I wouldn't have known.

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Daryl

On 27/11/21 12:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 11:21:13 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/11/2021 8:39 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> ude! On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 17:47:45 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>>> If you're "fully insured", then go to a private hospital, and leave the
>>>> public system for those who need it.
>>>>
>>>> For fuck's sake.....
>>> Yawnnnnnnn! The Noddy-body is all riled up.
>>
>> Trust me here pal. You have not got a *hope*...
>
> I'm sick of your cheap jibes and I've told mummy all about you.
> She's mighty pissed. She has a face likely to turn Medusa's to stone
> and a disposition to make Jacqui Lambie's seem like that of a dead
> mouse.
>
> This might be a good time to start t-t-t-trembling!
>
ROTFL

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Daryl

On 27/11/21 11:47 am, jonz wrote:
> On 11/26/2021 11:18 PM, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 11:06 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/26/2021 6:02 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I
>>>> suffered a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health
>>>> insurance meant that I was on the operating table three days after
>>>> doing it, and because my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't
>>>> charge any gap fee my only out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck
>>>> bill for the anesthetist.
>>>>
>>>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Ive had both cataracts fixed in the public system, 9 mths and 6
>>> mths wait. no probs. Carry on as usual.
>>
>> 9 months is a fairly lengthy wait to have your eyesight tended to :)
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  I had worn specs. (distance) since I was a young teen. I have an eye
> check yearly, and when the first one was found the optometrist opted to
> wait `till it got worse. (couple of years) By then i`d developed one in
> my left eye. So it was back on the list.
>
>     After the second  one my vision had improved markedly (Tho not
> quite 20/20) so was able to ditch the specs.(and get rid of the licence
> endorsement) Only setback was that I became long sighted, and now need
> readers. Small price :).
>
>  The wait was never a problem.
>
I've worn glasses since I was 4yrs old so after 65yrs I'm pretty well
used to them:-)
Only thing that annoys me about glasses is keeping them clean, I'm
forever cleaning the bastards.

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Daryl

On 27/11/21 3:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 2:18 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 12:10 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Calling it a "scam" is daydreaming. It's no different to any other
>>> type of insurance, and generally the idiots who get caught out by it
>>> are those who are too stupid to make themselves aware of exactly what
>>> they're covered for.
>>>
>>> It can be expensive, certainly, but it has benefits.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   not for  me (as I`ve noted in a few posts) the public system has
>> come to the fore every time.
>
> Well, I'd think you've probably been lucky thus far, but then not living
> in the 'burbs has probably worked in your favour as well.
>
>
I think that where you live can make a huge difference to your
experience with the public health system.
Sister in Tassie tells me that when it comes to health care Vic shits
all over Tassie.

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Daryl

On 27/11/21 2:48 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 9:18 am, John_H wrote:
>>
>>> Also had skin cancers excised on a couple of occasions with no fee.
>>> Surgeon is openly gay (which doesn't bother me) and has had at least
>>> one brush with the cops who suspected him of making pornographic
>>> movies with underage boys (as told to me by a local homophobe... er
>>> cop). Consequently a lot of folk won't go near him, some of whom
>>> attacked him on facebook not long ago. He's now moved to another
>>> location, probably in the hope his reputation doesn't precede him. He
>>> did a brilliant job on my skin cancers first time around with no
>>> visible scars, not quite so good the second time. Wife recently had
>>> one removed,for a nominal fee, by the Flying Skin Cancer Doctor (part
>>> of the RFDS) and they botched it according to her (she even has the
>>> scar to prove it).
>
>>
>> When I had to have a skin cancer removed my GP sent me to a plastic
>> surgeon rather than a general surgeon "because they won't care and you
>> will end up with a big ugly scar".
>> Its on my back so I can't see it but my wife says the scar is almost
>> invisible, if you didn't know where to look you wouldn't find it.
>
> General surgeons tend to get a lot of practice on skin cancers where I
> am, consequently some get very good at it, though apparently not the
> "skin cancer specialist" who operated on the wife.
>
> A local GP removed a melanoma from my arm many years ago. He gave me
> the option of being referred to a specialist but since the nearest one
> was 300km away at the time I elected for him to do it on the spot. He
> had two goes at it, the second after the biopsy came back positive and
> I've got a 5cm scar to show for it but since it's on my arm it doesn't
> bother me in the slightest. More recent ops (BCC's) have mostly been
> facial with no obvious scars.
>
> I've also developed a few spots on my forearms in relatively recent
> times (best described as small white scabs). Last time I had facial
> BCC's removed the surgeon's comment was... "looks like you've done a
> bit of welding in your time". He was dead right, I should've covered
> up!
>
LOL, when I work on cars these days I often end up with cuts and
scratches on my forearms because my skin isn't as tough as it used to
be, wife insisted I buy arm protection which I did but I usually forget
to wear them:-)

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Daryl

On 27/11/21 3:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 2:21 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 1:52 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2021 12:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sick of your cheap jibes and I've told mummy all about you.
>>>> She's mighty pissed.  She has a face likely to turn Medusa's to stone
>>>> and a disposition to make Jacqui Lambie's seem like that of a dead
>>>> mouse.
>>>>
>>>> This might be a good time to start t-t-t-trembling!
>>>
>>> You are an absolute *fuckwit*.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Sounds like *Max* with a new nym.
>
> It is. Max is a silly little troll who likes playing silly little games.
>
> Much like Clasener :)
>
>
How odd! The silly little troll here is you Darren. You just love
inventing bullshit stories where you are the centre of attention. You've
thrown out some real clangers in the past but, get this, you actually
think people *believe them*. Well, you put out *no proof* when asked and
in fact run away at a great rate of knots.

BTW, thanks for noting that I'm getting to you. Nice to see you read
everything I post.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/21 3:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 2:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 11:12 AM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> In my opinion the public system is okay for emergencies, but for
>>> anything else Private is the only way to go.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Got to disagree. Back in the mid '8o`s I had an altercation with a
>> car and slammed his door with my left knee. (indicated left, turned
>> right into his driveway as I was passing him. Cunt!) sore for a few
>> days.. About a year later the knee swelled up and could hardly walk.
>>
>>     Diagnosed as bits of bone floating around in there. Within a week
>> I was at St Vincents in Sydney having an arthroscopy. All good since.
>> All done in the public system!.
>>
>>    So, absolutely *no* complaints from me.
>
> Yeah, I'm not saying the public system doesn't work. Years ago my wife

It either works or it doesn't. You can't have a quid each way.

> did her Achilles while she was playing Netball, and that was done on in
> the public system fairly promptly.  She seems to think that the surgeon
> was a little bit rough and made a bit of a mess of it, but it was taken
> care of quickly which is what she wanted.
>
> It can work in your favour at times, sure. But in Victoria alone there
> are currently over 50 thousand people on public hospital waiting lists
> to have elective surgery, and that "elective surgery" definition can
> include anything from an ingrown toenail to spinal fusing.

50,000 people on a waiting list is a pretty good indication the system
*is not working*.
>
> Some people are happy to wait if it means they get treated for free.
> Some aren't.

And a lot *die* before they get their treatment. You call that *working*?

--
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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/21 3:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 2:18 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 12:10 PM, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> Calling it a "scam" is daydreaming. It's no different to any other
>>> type of insurance, and generally the idiots who get caught out by it
>>> are those who are too stupid to make themselves aware of exactly what
>>> they're covered for.
>>>
>>> It can be expensive, certainly, but it has benefits.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   not for  me (as I`ve noted in a few posts) the public system has
>> come to the fore every time.
>
> Well, I'd think you've probably been lucky thus far, but then not living
> in the 'burbs has probably worked in your favour as well.
>
>
Rural usually fares less well than the cities Darren. There's long been
an issue to even get GPs to work in rural towns.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/21 3:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 12:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 11:56 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2021 6:18 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
>>>>> spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is
>>>>> the gap
>>>>> in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your
>>>>> surgeon is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I
>>>>> suffered a
>>>>> full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance
>>>>> meant
>>>>> that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and
>>>>> because
>>>>> my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee my only
>>>>> out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of surgeons only charge the scheduled fee, even in regional
>>>> parts, but you tend to get what you pay for (which isn't to imply
>>>> they're incompetent).  I had a hip replaced by a South African trained
>>>> orthopaedic surgeon a few years back and only paid for the
>>>> anaesthetist.  SA training is rated among the worlds best but this guy
>>>> was also an extreme racist; the nurses hated him and tended to take it
>>>> out on his patients, me included.
>>>>
>>>> Also had skin cancers excised on a couple of occasions with no fee.
>>>> Surgeon is openly gay (which doesn't bother me) and has had at least
>>>> one brush with the cops who suspected him of making pornographic
>>>> movies with underage boys (as told to me by a local homophobe... er
>>>> cop).  Consequently a lot of folk won't go near him, some of whom
>>>> attacked him on facebook not long ago.  He's now moved to another
>>>> location, probably in the hope his reputation doesn't precede him.  He
>>>> did a brilliant job on my skin cancers first time around with no
>>>> visible scars, not quite so good the second time.  Wife recently had
>>>> one removed,for a nominal fee, by the Flying Skin Cancer Doctor (part
>>>> of the RFDS) and they botched it according to her (she even has the
>>>> scar to prove it).
>>>>
>>>>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>>>
>>>> And get butchered when your turn finally comes (which is pretty
>>>> standard in Q).  At least three regional public hospitals are
>>>> currently under investigation over various issues.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've just been to a funeral of someone who went private for a
>>> procedure that the public system warned would kill him - and it did -
>>> on the table.
>>>
>>> So fuck private health care.
>>>
>> It is well known that the *best equipped* hospitals in Australia are
>> those in the *public system*.
>>
>
> you can be a private patient in a public hospital
>
In both my recent bouts in hospital, I had the full cover but they
weren't interested in my private health card. ;-)

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/21 4:06 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Nov 2021 12:04:44 +1100, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>> Is it true the operation involves
>> having one eye set for close up and the other for distance? The brain
>> is supposed to accommodate this arrangement. I'm suspicious.
>
> Don't be, it works.
> Look up 'monovision'.
>
>
>
> alvey
>
A friend of mine, long deceased, had *monovision* - if that is what it
is called. His was natural though, no artificial lenses and didn't need
glasses for close or distance.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/21 4:08 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 2:21 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 1:52 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2021 12:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm sick of your cheap jibes and I've told mummy all about you.
>>>> She's mighty pissed.  She has a face likely to turn Medusa's to stone
>>>> and a disposition to make Jacqui Lambie's seem like that of a dead
>>>> mouse.
>>>>
>>>> This might be a good time to start t-t-t-trembling!
>>>
>>> You are an absolute *fuckwit*.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>  Sounds like *Max* with a new nym.
>>
>
> whoever it is he's doing a good job! he's got under knobby's skin that's
> for sure. next it will be the infamous killfile for him! knobby can't
> stand anyone who wont bend the knee and bow to him
>
>
You're not wrong. He got under Darren's skin real quick! Love it!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/2021 7:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/11/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:

>> I was advised about this before hand during the pre-surgery
>> consultation, but unfortunately the plastic surgeon who did the first
>> one was no longer going it and I figured that the general surgeon was
>> probably talking it up a little bit just to cover all bases.
>>
>> But he wasn't. The cunt :)
>>
>>
> You found out the hard way, if my GP hadn't mentioned the difference
> between the 2 different surgeons I wouldn't have known.

I didn't even know the first bloke I was referred to was a plastic
surgeon until I turned up for my nerve induction test and had to sit in
his waiting room that was full of women with oversized lips and *way*
too much makeup :)

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--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 27/11/21 7:11 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/11/21 2:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/27/2021 11:12 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2021 9:18 am, John_H wrote:
>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
>>>>> spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is
>>>>> the gap
>>>>> in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your
>>>>> surgeon is.
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I
>>>>> suffered a
>>>>> full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance
>>>>> meant
>>>>> that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and
>>>>> because
>>>>> my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee my only
>>>>> out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>>>>
>>>> Plenty of surgeons only charge the scheduled fee, even in regional
>>>> parts, but you tend to get what you pay for (which isn't to imply
>>>> they're incompetent).  I had a hip replaced by a South African trained
>>>> orthopaedic surgeon a few years back and only paid for the
>>>> anaesthetist.  SA training is rated among the worlds best but this guy
>>>> was also an extreme racist; the nurses hated him and tended to take it
>>>> out on his patients, me included.
>>>
>>> Nice.
>>>
>>> The Ortho I see is in Ballarat, and he's one of the nicest blokes you
>>> could ever hope to meet. He's a local and one of these blokes who has
>>> a strong sense of community and donates heavily to many different
>>> local projects. He's also of the belief that he makes a decent enough
>>> living off the scheduled fees and doesn't need to rip shit out of his
>>> patients which is not something I can say about every surgeon I've
>>> ever met.
>>>
>>> His anesthetist at the time I had the shoulder reconstruction was
>>> something else though. While I was laying on the trolley in my robe
>>> waiting to go in and be cut up he came in for the pre-op inspection
>>> and questioning and started telling me all about what can go wrong
>>> during an anesthetic. Every second phrase that came out of his mouth
>>> was "this could happen and you could die", which was made all the
>>> more sinister by the fact that he said it with a glint in his eye and
>>> a heavy German accent.
>>>
>>> Shortly after when the surgeon came in for a quick hello just before
>>> going into the theatre I mentioned it to him and he's obviously had
>>> similar feedback before as his exactly words were "Jesus, he's *such*
>>> a fucking German" :) I pissed myself :)
>>>
>>> Unfortunately I've seen more than my fair share of surgeons over the
>>> years, but I'm *very* happy with this guy. He'll be doing my next hip
>>> replacement which was overdue about 10 years ago.
>>>
>>>> Also had skin cancers excised on a couple of occasions with no fee.
>>>> Surgeon is openly gay (which doesn't bother me) and has had at least
>>>> one brush with the cops who suspected him of making pornographic
>>>> movies with underage boys (as told to me by a local homophobe... er
>>>> cop).  Consequently a lot of folk won't go near him, some of whom
>>>> attacked him on facebook not long ago.  He's now moved to another
>>>> location, probably in the hope his reputation doesn't precede him.  He
>>>> did a brilliant job on my skin cancers first time around with no
>>>> visible scars, not quite so good the second time.  Wife recently had
>>>> one removed,for a nominal fee, by the Flying Skin Cancer Doctor (part
>>>> of the RFDS) and they botched it according to her (she even has the
>>>> scar to prove it).
>>>
>>> Nasty.
>>>
>>>>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>>>
>>>> And get butchered when your turn finally comes (which is pretty
>>>> standard in Q).  At least three regional public hospitals are
>>>> currently under investigation over various issues.
>>>
>>> I don't think it's much better down here. I went public with a few
>>> colonoscopies here a few years ago before finding a local private
>>> surgeon I liked, and the fuckwits at Sunshine hospital lost all my
>>> records with all me previous history gone forever. The surgeon who
>>> would do the initial consultation and book you in was never the one
>>> who would do the procedure on the day, and the whole thing was just a
>>> massive fuck up.
>>>
>>> Went private after the last one when I cracked the shits about
>>> dealing with people who didn't even know why I was there and never
>>> had a problem since. Not only do I have the procedure done at my
>>> local hospital which is 8 minutes drive from home (which is crucially
>>> important after a massive bowel prep :), but the surgeon is great and
>>> extremely thorough.
>>>
>>> In my opinion the public system is okay for emergencies, but for
>>> anything else Private is the only way to go.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Got to disagree. Back in the mid '8o`s I had an altercation with a
>> car and slammed his door with my left knee. (indicated left, turned
>> right into his driveway as I was passing him. Cunt!) sore for a few
>> days.. About a year later the knee swelled up and could hardly walk.
>>
>>     Diagnosed as bits of bone floating around in there. Within a week
>> I was at St Vincents in Sydney having an arthroscopy. All good since.
>> All done in the public system!.
>>
>>    So, absolutely *no* complaints from me.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> In my experience its how you go about getting the initial treatment that
> affects how long it takes, I had a knee issue and my wife drove me
> directly to emergency at Sunshine Hospital, I had xrays and scans and
> the surgeon decided I needed surgery which happened within 2 weeks of
> the injury.
> If I had gone to my GP I would have been referred to a specialist then
> sent for scans then had to wait for who knows how long for surgery but
> by going directly to the hospital I by passed all that and had it sorted
> within weeks at zero cost via a public system.
>
Which is why the emergency departments in hospitals all around Victoria
are clogged up with people - pricks like you playing the system.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/2021 7:11 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/11/21 2:07 pm, jonz wrote:

>>     Diagnosed as bits of bone floating around in there. Within a week
>> I was at St Vincents in Sydney having an arthroscopy. All good since.
>> All done in the public system!.
>>
>>    So, absolutely *no* complaints from me.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>
> In my experience its how you go about getting the initial treatment that
> affects how long it takes, I had a knee issue and my wife drove me
> directly to emergency at Sunshine Hospital, I had xrays and scans and
> the surgeon decided I needed surgery which happened within 2 weeks of
> the injury.
> If I had gone to my GP I would have been referred to a specialist then
> sent for scans then had to wait for who knows how long for surgery but
> by going directly to the hospital I by passed all that and had it sorted
> within weeks at zero cost via a public system.

I learned something from one of the resident doctors at Bacchus Marsh
hospital some years ago that is peculiar to the public system.

I fronted up with crippling pain which turned out to be a gallstone
problem (and anyone who's suffered from one of those will know how
painful they are) and the Doc said there was nothing they could do other
than give me some morphine. He said I need to have it out (which I
eventually did in a private hospital), and he said if I wanted to have
it out in the public system quickly then I needed to go to the emergency
department "in pain" 3 times for the same complaint and on the third
occasion they will act on it.

I asked him how that worked and he said it was Health Department policy
that if someone turned up and complained about the same condition three
times they were considered high risk, and the relevant hospital was
obligated to either treat their condition if it could be treated, or
transport them to a hospital that could.

Whether that's true or not I can't tell you, but he was a doctor at a
public hospital and if anyone would know he would.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 27/11/21 10:05 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 7:11 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 2:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>
>>>     Diagnosed as bits of bone floating around in there. Within a week
>>> I was at St Vincents in Sydney having an arthroscopy. All good since.
>>> All done in the public system!.
>>>
>>>    So, absolutely *no* complaints from me.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>> In my experience its how you go about getting the initial treatment
>> that affects how long it takes, I had a knee issue and my wife drove
>> me directly to emergency at Sunshine Hospital, I had xrays and scans
>> and the surgeon decided I needed surgery which happened within 2 weeks
>> of the injury.
>> If I had gone to my GP I would have been referred to a specialist then
>> sent for scans then had to wait for who knows how long for surgery but
>> by going directly to the hospital I by passed all that and had it
>> sorted within weeks at zero cost via a public system.
>
> I learned something from one of the resident doctors at Bacchus Marsh
> hospital some years ago that is peculiar to the public system.
>
> I fronted up with crippling pain which turned out to be a gallstone
> problem (and anyone who's suffered from one of those will know how
> painful they are) and the Doc said there was nothing they could do other
> than give me some morphine. He said I need to have it out (which I
> eventually did in a private hospital), and he said if I wanted to have
> it out in the public system quickly then I needed to go to the emergency
> department "in pain" 3 times for the same complaint and on the third
> occasion they will act on it.
>
> I asked him how that worked and he said it was Health Department policy
> that if someone turned up and complained about the same condition three
> times they were considered high risk, and the relevant hospital was
> obligated to either treat their condition if it could be treated, or
> transport them to a hospital that could.
>
> Whether that's true or not I can't tell you, but he was a doctor at a
> public hospital and if anyone would know he would.
>
The only problem with your story Darren is that *you* are telling it.
Given your track record for making up lies, fake claims and bullshit
stories, there's a *trust issue* at play here. *YOU* cannot be trusted.
Only *YOU* can fix that trust issue Darren. Make a start - show proof of
your manifold claims of trade qualifications and business ownership.

Over to you!

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 27/11/2021 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 7:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I was advised about this before hand during the pre-surgery
>>> consultation, but unfortunately the plastic surgeon who did the first
>>> one was no longer going it and I figured that the general surgeon was
>>> probably talking it up a little bit just to cover all bases.
>>>
>>> But he wasn't. The cunt :)
>>>
>>>
>> You found out the hard way, if my GP hadn't mentioned the difference
>> between the 2 different surgeons I wouldn't have known.
>
> I didn't even know the first bloke I was referred to was a plastic
> surgeon until I turned up for my nerve induction test and had to sit in
> his waiting room that was full of women with oversized lips and *way*
> too much makeup :)

Why do women do that, they look like Donald Duck.

On 27/11/2021 7:18 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 27/11/21 11:47 am, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/26/2021 11:18 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2021 11:06 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 11/26/2021 6:02 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I
>>>>> suffered a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health
>>>>> insurance meant that I was on the operating table three days after
>>>>> doing it, and because my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't
>>>>> charge any gap fee my only out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck
>>>>> bill for the anesthetist.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>>   Ive had both cataracts fixed in the public system, 9 mths and 6
>>>> mths wait. no probs. Carry on as usual.
>>>
>>> 9 months is a fairly lengthy wait to have your eyesight tended to :)
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   I had worn specs. (distance) since I was a young teen. I have an
>> eye check yearly, and when the first one was found the optometrist
>> opted to wait `till it got worse. (couple of years) By then i`d
>> developed one in my left eye. So it was back on the list.
>>
>>      After the second  one my vision had improved markedly (Tho not
>> quite 20/20) so was able to ditch the specs.(and get rid of the
>> licence endorsement) Only setback was that I became long sighted, and
>> now need readers. Small price :).
>>
>>   The wait was never a problem.
>>
> I've worn glasses since I was 4yrs old so after 65yrs I'm pretty well
> used to them:-)
> Only thing that annoys me about glasses is keeping them clean, I'm
> forever cleaning the bastards.
>
>

there's some lenses you can get that stay cleaner somehow. I got them in
my last pair.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 27/11/2021 7:26 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 27/11/21 3:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2021 2:21 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2021 1:52 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/2021 12:11 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm sick of your cheap jibes and I've told mummy all about you.
>>>>> She's mighty pissed.  She has a face likely to turn Medusa's to stone
>>>>> and a disposition to make Jacqui Lambie's seem like that of a dead
>>>>> mouse.
>>>>>
>>>>> This might be a good time to start t-t-t-trembling!
>>>>
>>>> You are an absolute *fuckwit*.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Sounds like *Max* with a new nym.
>>
>> It is. Max is a silly little troll who likes playing silly little games.
>>
>> Much like Clasener :)
>>
>>
> How odd! The silly little troll here is you Darren. You just love
> inventing bullshit stories where you are the centre of attention.
> You've thrown out some real clangers in the past but, get this, you
> actually think people *believe them*. Well, you put out *no proof*
> when asked and in fact run away at a great rate of knots.

yep!

>
> BTW, thanks for noting that I'm getting to you. Nice to see you read
> everything I post.
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 27/11/2021 7:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 27/11/21 3:48 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2021 2:07 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2021 11:12 AM, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> In my opinion the public system is okay for emergencies, but for
>>>> anything else Private is the only way to go.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   Got to disagree. Back in the mid '8o`s I had an altercation with a
>>> car and slammed his door with my left knee. (indicated left, turned
>>> right into his driveway as I was passing him. Cunt!) sore for a few
>>> days.. About a year later the knee swelled up and could hardly walk.
>>>
>>>     Diagnosed as bits of bone floating around in there. Within a
>>> week I was at St Vincents in Sydney having an arthroscopy. All good
>>> since. All done in the public system!.
>>>
>>>    So, absolutely *no* complaints from me.
>>
>> Yeah, I'm not saying the public system doesn't work. Years ago my wife
>
> It either works or it doesn't. You can't have a quid each way.
>
>> did her Achilles while she was playing Netball, and that was done on
>> in the public system fairly promptly.  She seems to think that the
>> surgeon was a little bit rough and made a bit of a mess of it, but it
>> was taken care of quickly which is what she wanted.
>>
>> It can work in your favour at times, sure. But in Victoria alone
>> there are currently over 50 thousand people on public hospital
>> waiting lists to have elective surgery, and that "elective surgery"
>> definition can include anything from an ingrown toenail to spinal
>> fusing.
>
> 50,000 people on a waiting list is a pretty good indication the system
> *is not working*.

yes. it's overloaded

>>
>> Some people are happy to wait if it means they get treated for free.
>> Some aren't.
>
> And a lot *die* before they get their treatment.

yes

> You call that *working*?
>
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 27/11/2021 7:31 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 27/11/21 3:49 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2021 2:18 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/27/2021 12:10 PM, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> Calling it a "scam" is daydreaming. It's no different to any other
>>>> type of insurance, and generally the idiots who get caught out by
>>>> it are those who are too stupid to make themselves aware of exactly
>>>> what they're covered for.
>>>>
>>>> It can be expensive, certainly, but it has benefits.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>>   not for  me (as I`ve noted in a few posts) the public system has
>>> come to the fore every time.
>>
>> Well, I'd think you've probably been lucky thus far, but then not
>> living in the 'burbs has probably worked in your favour as well.
>>
>>
> Rural usually fares less well than the cities Darren. There's long
> been an issue to even get GPs to work in rural towns.
>

yep

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 27/11/2021 11:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 27/11/2021 7:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 27/11/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> I was advised about this before hand during the pre-surgery
>>>> consultation, but unfortunately the plastic surgeon who did the
>>>> first one was no longer going it and I figured that the general
>>>> surgeon was probably talking it up a little bit just to cover all
>>>> bases.
>>>>
>>>> But he wasn't. The cunt :)
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You found out the hard way, if my GP hadn't mentioned the difference
>>> between the 2 different surgeons I wouldn't have known.
>>
>> I didn't even know the first bloke I was referred to was a plastic
>> surgeon until I turned up for my nerve induction test and had to sit
>> in his waiting room that was full of women with oversized lips and
>> *way* too much makeup :)
>
> Why do women do that, they look like Donald Duck.

it's a recent fashion trend. they look ridiculous

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

Daryl wrote:
>
>I've worn glasses since I was 4yrs old so after 65yrs I'm pretty well
>used to them:-)
>Only thing that annoys me about glasses is keeping them clean, I'm
>forever cleaning the bastards.

Do you use the dishwashing detergent method?...
https://www.horsfalls.com.au/eyewear/how-to-clean-your-glasses/

It works a treat! :)

--
John H

Xeno wrote:
>On 27/11/21 3:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>> you can be a private patient in a public hospital
>In both my recent bouts in hospital, I had the full cover but they
>weren't interested in my private health card. ;-)

If it'd been a Qld public hospital the first question they would've
asked after admittance is whether you had private health insurance.

If the answer's yes sweet talking staffer comes around and urges you
to go private assuring you it won't cost anything. If you agree your
health fund then gets charged. AFAIK nothing else changes.

--
John H

On 28/11/2021 8:15 am, John_H wrote:
> Xeno wrote:
>> On 27/11/21 3:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>> you can be a private patient in a public hospital
>
>> In both my recent bouts in hospital, I had the full cover but they
>> weren't interested in my private health card. ;-)
>
> If it'd been a Qld public hospital the first question they would've
> asked after admittance is whether you had private health insurance.
>
> If the answer's yes sweet talking staffer comes around and urges you
> to go private assuring you it won't cost anything. If you agree your
> health fund then gets charged. AFAIK nothing else changes.

They do the same thing here.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 27/11/2021 11:53 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 27/11/2021 11:28 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 27/11/2021 8:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 27/11/2021 7:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 27/11/21 11:20 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>
>>>>> I was advised about this before hand during the pre-surgery
>>>>> consultation, but unfortunately the plastic surgeon who did the
>>>>> first one was no longer going it and I figured that the general
>>>>> surgeon was probably talking it up a little bit just to cover all
>>>>> bases.
>>>>>
>>>>> But he wasn't. The cunt :)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> You found out the hard way, if my GP hadn't mentioned the difference
>>>> between the 2 different surgeons I wouldn't have known.
>>>
>>> I didn't even know the first bloke I was referred to was a plastic
>>> surgeon until I turned up for my nerve induction test and had to sit
>>> in his waiting room that was full of women with oversized lips and
>>> *way* too much makeup :)
>>
>> Why do women do that, they look like Donald Duck.
>
>
> it's a recent fashion trend. they look ridiculous

It has been going on for a while, back in the 90s my next door neighbour
was a cosmetic doctor. His main source of income was pumping collagen
into womens faces. I think he bought it in 44 gall drums, these days I
think that he would be using a grease gun rather than a syringe.