On 23/11/2021 11:52 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 8:19 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off
>>>>>>> at Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and those
>>>> who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result
>>>> is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to
>>>> do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>> daily basis.
>>>
>> Jeez, you're not a very progressive person, are you? In fact, you
>> seem rather regressive. Your career, which went backwards, is the
>> epitome of that.
>>
>
> I can't believe how dense he is.

yeah but it all comes down to planning. often the roadworks are planned,
and I use the term loosely,  without any consideration of traffic flow
or interruption, or so it seems

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off
>>>>>>> at Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and those
>>>> who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result
>>>> is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to
>>>> do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>> daily basis.
>>>
>>
>> **And your point is?
>
> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
> didn't do anything.
>
>  You blame the state government. Why?
>
> Who else, the Martians?
> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
> members who control the Vic Govt.
> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>
>  Victorian
>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>
> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>
>

you can't make such a generalization. Japan? yes. India? no.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 24/11/2021 10:42 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
> Apart from being utterly nonsensical, how is this ridiculous comment
> even *remotely* relevant to anything being discussed here?
>

entirely relevant to what Deryl said u moron

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 24/11/2021 12:18 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 6:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which
>>>>>>> only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and
>>>>>> the result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not
>>>>>> stupid enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to
>>>>>> be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public
>>>>> transport.
>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on
>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **And your point is?
>>>
>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>> didn't do anything.
>>>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
> London in peak hour isn't much fun either.
>
> Dazzling Daryl's union conspiracy theory is just absurd

not entirely. arsehole Dictator Dan has kept his union mates working the
whole time the rest of us were in lockdown and he was screwing small
businesses and self employed people into the ground and sending business
bust

> and as to adding lanes only serving to slow down traffic... I mean,
> what can you say to that level of stupidity?
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>>>> everything.
>>>
>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>
>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax
>>> under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>
>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips are
>> moving"
>
> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For sure,
> it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>
>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are protesting
>> and I don't think that its because they are anti vax, its because
>> Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with their methods.
>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state with
>> everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his union
>> mates with so much road works its near impossible to go anywhere.
>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>
>>
> Noisy fringe groups.
>

the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations are
entirely justified and peaceful. a lot of people here are very angry. I
had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday. and
kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm. the CHO
mandates rules without entire consideration of the implications and
consequences

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>
>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>
>>>> No, it's true.
>>>
>>> When and where was this?
>>>
>>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>
>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>
>>> We were
>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>
>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>
>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine
>
>Which is irrelevant.
>Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the mix you
>described if it would run at all.

We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
mower on fuel mixes. We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
etc.
The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.

On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>
>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax
>>>> under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>
>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips are
>>> moving"
>>
>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For sure,
>> it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>
>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are protesting
>>> and I don't think that its because they are anti vax, its because
>>> Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with their methods.
>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state with
>>> everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his union
>>> mates with so much road works its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>
>>>
>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>
>
> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations are
> entirely justified and peaceful.

**No, they are not. I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be
vaccinated, PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded
medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of
morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination
is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.

a lot of people here are very angry.

**Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a high
street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry with the
government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government
for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.

I
> had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.

**A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed morons.

and
> kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.

**EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.

the CHO
> mandates rules without entire consideration of the implications and
> consequences

**Prove it.

On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>
>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>
>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>> are moving"
>>>
>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>
>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>> their methods.
>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>> anywhere.
>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>
>>
>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>
>
> **No, they are not.

Yes they are. we live in a free society. some ppl have strong beliefs
about vaccinations, and some are medically unsuitable for vaccination.
with 90%+ vaccination rates it's not necessary for everyone to be
vaccinated

> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times. Anti-vaxxers are
> morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded medical system.

so are obese persons who get diabetes, idiots who injure themselves in
car accidents, ppl who don't take good care of themselves and get sick,
etc., the health system is for everyone regardless of the cause of the need

> As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of morons. BTW: That
> objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination is quick, easy
> and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.

it's not that difficult if you're sufficiently motivated

>
>  a lot of people here are very angry.
>
> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated.

there's no certainty you won't get covid and die if you're fully vaxxed
and no certainty that you will if you're not

> If I was still running a high street retail operation, I would be
> angry too. I might be angry with the government, but I would
> DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government for covering up
> COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>
>
>
>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>
> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
> morons.

they might not even want you  :)

>
>
>>  and kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>
> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>
>
>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>> implications and consequences
>
> **Prove it.
>

really? you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities are
being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented age and
vax rules?

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>> are moving"
>>>>
>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>
>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>>> their methods.
>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>>
>> **No, they are not.
>
>
> Yes they are. we live in a free society.

**We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited freedom'
in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies (all levels)
can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.

some ppl have strong beliefs
> about vaccinations,

**Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.

and some are medically unsuitable for vaccination.

**That MIGHT account for around 0.01% of the population. At a pinch.

> with 90%+ vaccination rates it's not necessary for everyone to be
> vaccinated

**Yes, it is. 10% of the population is 2.5 million people (more, if you
count children).

>
>
>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times. Anti-vaxxers are
>> morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded medical system.
>
>
> so are obese persons who get diabetes, idiots who injure themselves in
> car accidents, ppl who don't take good care of themselves and get sick,
> etc., the health system is for everyone regardless of the cause of the need

**Indeed, it is the responsibility of all citizens to act responsibly
and get vaccinated. It's easy and free.

>
>
>> As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of morons. BTW: That
>> objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination is quick, easy
>> and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.
>
>
> it's not that difficult if you're sufficiently motivated

**I wouldn't know. The last suck on a fag I had was when I was 10 years
old. It was horrible. Never touched one since. My old man would have
killed my grandfather if he knew that he allowed me to try it.

>
>
>>
>>  a lot of people here are very angry.
>>
>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated.
>
>
> there's no certainty you won't get covid and die if you're fully vaxxed
> and no certainty that you will if you're not

**The chances of dying is dramatically reduced and the chances of being
admitted to hospital is reduced by 16 times, if vaccinated.

>
>
>> If I was still running a high street retail operation, I would be
>> angry too. I might be angry with the government, but I would
>> DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government for covering up
>> COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>>
>>
>>
>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>
>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>> morons.
>
>
> they might not even want you  :)

**I've had no problems so far.

>
>
>>
>>
>>>  and kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>
>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>>
>>
>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>> implications and consequences
>>
>> **Prove it.
>>
>
> really?

**Yeah, really. Prove it.

you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities are
> being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented age and
> vax rules?

**You still need to prove your claim.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 09:21:42 +1100, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>
> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations are
> entirely justified and peaceful.

Rubbish.

My right to *not* die from a virus is greater than some idiots right to
refuse a vaccine.

alvey

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On 24/11/2021 11:21 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 6:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hers.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all
>>>>>>>>>>>> politicians, they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo
>>>>>>>>>>> failed in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up
>>>>>>>>>>>> the entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road
>>>>>>>>>>>> works its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which
>>>>>>>>>> takes years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that
>>>>>>>>>> road without having to slow for some unnecessary road works
>>>>>>>>>> which only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start
>>>>>>>>>>>> work at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips
>>>>>>>>>>>> that used to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people
>>>>>>>>>>>> are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We
>>>>>>>>>>> don't blame the government though. Maintenance is just
>>>>>>>>>>> something that has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for
>>>>>>>>> the past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided
>>>>>>>>> to upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph
>>>>>>>>> down to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to
>>>>>>>>> do the job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying.
>>>>>>>>> Frequent traffic stops were required, to allow trucks to enter
>>>>>>>>> the freeway. I can only imagine how horrible it was for
>>>>>>>>> professional drivers and those who took that trip daily.
>>>>>>>>> However, it's all done now and the result is excellent. I never
>>>>>>>>> blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to do so, as I
>>>>>>>>> understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of
>>>>>>>> time, the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on
>>>>>>>> public transport.
>>>>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit
>>>>>>>> on a daily basis.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **And your point is?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if
>>>>>> they didn't do anything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>   Victorian
>>>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of
>>>> been more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
>>>> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>>>>
>>> Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
>>> Japan in general.
>>
>> **Agreed. Japan has a stunning public transport system. I recall
>> standing in a queue, waiting to board the Shinkansen. We boarded the
>> train and sat down. The train began to move and I said to my girlfriend:
>>
>> "HA! The train is 30 seconds late. So much for this legendary Japanese
>> efficiency."
>>
>> She replied:
>>
>> "I bet your watch is wrong."
>>
>> Dammit. She was right. The Shinkansen left the platform to the second.
>> The whole rail system for a non-Japanese speaker, was actually easier
>> to navigate than the Sydney system. This was in 1988, when there was
>> very little in the way of English signage.
>>
>> That Shinkansen was very impressive. I recall looking out the window,
>> wondering why there was all these cars parked on the freeway. Of
>> course they weren't parked. They were travelling at 100kph. We were
>> doing 275kph.
>
> The newer one are even faster over 300. Back in the 80's I was there for
> a course, we were visiting a factory to the north of Tokyo. Since I had
> been to Japan multiple times I got the job of herding the other gaijin,
> we were on the shinkansen (means new fast train) when a yank asked me
> what the display showing "230" was indicating,  when I told him that was
> the speed in Km/h, he nearly shat himself.
>
> More impressive really though is the network of ordinary trains that are
> also punctual to the second.

On 24/11/2021 11:57 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created thousands
>>>>>>>>> of jobs for his union mates with so much road works its near
>>>>>>>>> impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the
>>>>>> result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid
>>>>>> enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>>>> daily basis.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **And your point is?
>>>
>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>> didn't do anything.
>>>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
>
> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of been
> more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.

Europe is a continent and if you had been out a bit more than you
obviously have you would know parts of Europe have pretty piss-poor
public transort as well.

> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>

You really need to get out more if you think that is civilised.

On 25/11/2021 6:09 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off
>>>>>>>> at Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and those
>>>>> who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result
>>>>> is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to
>>>>> do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>>> daily basis.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **And your point is?
>>
>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>> didn't do anything.
>>
>>  You blame the state government. Why?
>>
>> Who else, the Martians?
>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
>> members who control the Vic Govt.
>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>
>>  Victorian
>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>
>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>
>>
>
> you can't make such a generalization. Japan? yes. India? no.
>

Correct.

Parts of Europe are pretty piss-poor too and peak hour in London isn't
much fun either.

Clearly Daryl hasn't been anywhere, either that or he's walking around
in a stupor most of the time.

On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>>>>> everything.
>>>>
>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>
>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax
>>>> under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>
>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips are
>>> moving"
>>
>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For sure,
>> it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>
>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are protesting
>>> and I don't think that its because they are anti vax, its because
>>> Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with their methods.
>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state with
>>> everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his union
>>> mates with so much road works its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>
>>>
>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>
>
> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations are
> entirely justified and peaceful.

No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by these
dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't reasonable, and
the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.

Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.

On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations are
>> entirely justified and peaceful.
>
>
> **No, they are not.

Not even *remotely* close :)

I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching, but in Melbourne the
media has been full of pictures and video of *violent* protest with many
arrests being made.

> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be
> vaccinated, PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.

I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the government's
authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object to similar
social practices of "no jab no play" programs for unvaccinated children
attending day care centres. I'd probably also suggest that a fair
portion of those who are currently protesting *against* the Covid jab
have children themselves and complied with the "no jab no play" rule
without argument.

> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded
> medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of
> morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination
> is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.

Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax contributions
are spent.

>  a lot of people here are very angry.
>
> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a high
> street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry with the
> government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government
> for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.

You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying to
do anything about that.

>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>
> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed morons.

I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff for
such jobs.

I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a Saturday
flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check in
facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the woman I
spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities were
necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family picnic in a
park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and as such it
needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she agreed to that
she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within the council's
authority to demand that such practices be in place, and I suggested
that as the council was the "authority" who issued the permit for the
market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and added that if
the council didn't want to act on this I would take it to the Department
of Health and see what they had to say.

Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.

>  and
>> kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>
> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.

Yep. No one is exempt.

>  the CHO
>> mandates rules without entire consideration of the implications and
>> consequences
>
> **Prove it.

Felix is partially right, but not completely.

In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has overall
authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be implemented as
far as public health is concerned, and the government cannot alter or
ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of "ignoring a
directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal offence.

Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
consideration" however is an utter nonsense, as the overriding
consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief Health Officer is the
health and safety of the general populace, and doing whatever is
necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic and protect as many
people as possible. That means doing things that piss some people off
and they can't see the value in it themselves (which I have no doubt
Felix cannot), but the greater good is the main consideration at the
expense of some personal liberties.

What's happening in Victoria at the moment is that Premier Andrews is
attempting to push a bill through State Parliament that will take
overall authority for public health away from the CHO and place it
directly in the hands of the Premier while the Chief Health Officer is
relegated to an "advisory" role with the government having no obligation
to comply with any recommendation the CHO may issue.

If ever people in Victoria wanted to protest about anything, that should
be it.

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Regards,
Noddy.

On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>>
>>> **No, they are not.
>>
>>
>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>
> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited freedom'
> in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies (all levels)
> can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.

It's also worth noting that many of the "protests" carried out in
Melbourne were done so at a time where a legal order was in effect
against public gatherings, making the protests themselves illegal.

You can't just declare something as being your "civil right" and expect
laws pertaining to it to automatically become null and void :)

> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>
>  and some are medically unsuitable for vaccination.
>
> **That MIGHT account for around 0.01% of the population. At a pinch.

Most likely, and people having a genuine medical exemption are not who
we're talking about.

>> with 90%+ vaccination rates it's not necessary for everyone to be
>> vaccinated
>
> **Yes, it is. 10% of the population is 2.5 million people (more, if you
> count children).

Last time I checked the "population" included children, and you're never
going to get 100% of the population fully vaccinated. Most experts are
of the opinion that 90% is enough for Herd Immunity to be effective.

>>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated.
>>
>>
>> there's no certainty you won't get covid and die if you're fully
>> vaxxed and no certainty that you will if you're not
>
> **The chances of dying is dramatically reduced and the chances of being
> admitted to hospital is reduced by 16 times, if vaccinated.

Indeed. The evidence of vaccinations being remarkably beneficial in
terms of both effect *and* transmission is overwhelming, and to claim
otherwise is an absolute nonsense.

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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>
>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>>
>>> **No, they are not.
>>
>>
>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>
> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies (all
> levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>
>  some ppl have strong beliefs
>> about vaccinations,
>
> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.

IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant women,
or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people

>
>  and some are medically unsuitable for vaccination.
>
> **That MIGHT account for around 0.01% of the population. At a pinch.
>
>
>> with 90%+ vaccination rates it's not necessary for everyone to be
>> vaccinated
>
> **Yes, it is. 10% of the population is 2.5 million people (more, if
> you count children).
>
>>
>>
>>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times. Anti-vaxxers are
>>> morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded medical system.
>>
>>
>> so are obese persons who get diabetes, idiots who injure themselves
>> in car accidents, ppl who don't take good care of themselves and get
>> sick, etc., the health system is for everyone regardless of the cause
>> of the need
>
> **Indeed, it is the responsibility of all citizens to act responsibly
> and get vaccinated. It's easy and free.
>
>>
>>
>>> As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of morons. BTW: That
>>> objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination is quick,
>>> easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.
>>
>>
>> it's not that difficult if you're sufficiently motivated
>
> **I wouldn't know. The last suck on a fag I had was when I was 10
> years old. It was horrible. Never touched one since. My old man would
> have killed my grandfather if he knew that he allowed me to try it.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>  a lot of people here are very angry.
>>>
>>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated.
>>
>>
>> there's no certainty you won't get covid and die if you're fully
>> vaxxed and no certainty that you will if you're not
>
> **The chances of dying is dramatically reduced and the chances of
> being admitted to hospital is reduced by 16 times, if vaccinated.

that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl
should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and
normal everyday activities like shopping and dining

>
>>
>>
>>> If I was still running a high street retail operation, I would be
>>> angry too. I might be angry with the government, but I would
>>> DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government for covering up
>>> COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>>
>>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>>> morons.
>>
>>
>> they might not even want you  :)
>
> **I've had no problems so far.
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  and kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>>
>>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>>>
>>>
>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>> implications and consequences
>>>
>>> **Prove it.
>>>
>>
>> really?
>
> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>
>
>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and stupidities
>> with the covid rules and even now that kids activities are being
>> cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented age and vax
>> rules?
>
> **You still need to prove your claim.

no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of Victoria

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>
>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>
>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>> are moving"
>>>
>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>
>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>> their methods.
>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>> anywhere.
>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>
>>
>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>
> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by these
> dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't reasonable, and
> the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>
> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>
>

most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause illegitimate.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>>
>> **No, they are not.
>
> Not even *remotely* close :)
>
> I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching,

the recent anti lockdown anti vax protests where there were no arrests
and no violence

> but in Melbourne the media has been full of pictures and video of
> *violent* protest with many arrests being made.
>
>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
>
> I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
> rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
> compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the government's
> authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object to similar
> social practices of "no jab no play" programs for unvaccinated
> children attending day care centres. I'd probably also suggest that a
> fair portion of those who are currently protesting *against* the Covid
> jab have children themselves and complied with the "no jab no play"
> rule without argument.
>
>> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer
>> funded medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care
>> of morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However,
>> vaccination is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is
>> far more difficult.
>
> Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax
> contributions are spent.
>
>>   a lot of people here are very angry.
>>
>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a
>> high street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry
>> with the government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese
>> government for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>
> You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying to
> do anything about that.
>
>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>
>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>> morons.
>
> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
> vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
> think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff
> for such jobs.
>
> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a
> Saturday flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check
> in facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the
> woman I spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities
> were necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family
> picnic in a park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and
> as such it needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she
> agreed to that she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within
> the council's authority to demand that such practices be in place, and
> I suggested that as the council was the "authority" who issued the
> permit for the market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and
> added that if the council didn't want to act on this I would take it
> to the Department of Health and see what they had to say.
>
> Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.
>
>>   and
>>> kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>
>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>
> Yep. No one is exempt.
>
>>   the CHO
>>> mandates rules without entire consideration of the implications and
>>> consequences
>>
>> **Prove it.
>
> Felix is partially right, but not completely.
>
> In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has overall
> authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be implemented
> as far as public health is concerned, and the government cannot alter
> or ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of "ignoring a
> directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal offence.
>
> Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
> consideration" however is an utter nonsense, as the overriding
> consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief Health Officer is
> the health and safety of the general populace, and doing whatever is
> necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic and protect as many
> people as possible. That means doing things that piss some people off
> and they can't see the value in it themselves (which I have no doubt
> Felix cannot),

idiot. everyone knows there were lots of stupid rules that made no
sense. and if you are going to address my arguments and talk about and
insult me at least have the decency to address me directly and not thru
third parties, you fuckwit. but expecting decency from you is expecting
way too much i guess

> but the greater good is the main consideration at the expense of some
> personal liberties.
>
> What's happening in Victoria at the moment is that Premier Andrews is
> attempting to push a bill through State Parliament that will take
> overall authority for public health away from the CHO and place it
> directly in the hands of the Premier while the Chief Health Officer is
> relegated to an "advisory" role with the government having no
> obligation to comply with any recommendation the CHO may issue.
>
> If ever people in Victoria wanted to protest about anything, that
> should be it.
>
>

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 24/11/2021 12:14 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 7:42 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>
>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>
>>>>   Victorian
>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>
>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>
>> Apart from being utterly nonsensical, how is this ridiculous comment
>> even *remotely* relevant to anything being discussed here?
>>
>
> Well Dumb, said:
>
> "Its still shit compared to the rest of the world."
>
> So Dumber, LA is part of the 'rest of the world' and became relevant.

he lacks the mental capacity to reach that conclusion

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 12:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>> are moving"
>>>>
>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>
>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>>> their methods.
>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by these
>> dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't reasonable, and
>> the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>
>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>
>>
>
> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause illegitimate.
>
>

That's true and most are probably peaceful.
It's their democratic right to protest and as long as they do it
peacefully and don't interfere with other people going about their
business I don't have a problem with it.

Noddy wrote:
>On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>
>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed morons.
>
>I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
>think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
>imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
>coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
>discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
>think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff for
>such jobs.

It's a stupid idea that serves no other purpose than the coercion of
the unvaccinated which only further increases their resistance to
vaccination.
Nor does it make either group any safer because sooner or later
everyone will be exposed to the the virus at which point many of the
unvaccinated are going to wish they had been. Lots of them will die
(as will a few of the vaccinated).
The only upside in delaying the inevitable would be to spread the rush
on the health system (if only it were possible to charge the
unvaccinated for any hospitalisation they might incur as a result).

>I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a Saturday
>flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check in
>facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the woman I
>spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities were
>necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family picnic in a
>park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and as such it
>needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she agreed to that
>she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within the council's
>authority to demand that such practices be in place, and I suggested
>that as the council was the "authority" who issued the permit for the
>market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and added that if
>the council didn't want to act on this I would take it to the Department
>of Health and see what they had to say.

Non compliance is the norm where I am, which also happens to be the
region with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation. Even
the local post office has no proper provision for social distancing
and no one polices it in any case.
When the virus does get here the government will have little other
choice than to lockdown down the LGA... which ought be obvious to all
but very few seem to give a stuff.

--
John H

On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>
>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies (all
>> levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>
>>  some ppl have strong beliefs
>>> about vaccinations,
>>
>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>
>
> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant women,
> or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people

**Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated. There
are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical evidence
though.

>
>
>>
>>  and some are medically unsuitable for vaccination.
>>
>> **That MIGHT account for around 0.01% of the population. At a pinch.
>>
>>
>>> with 90%+ vaccination rates it's not necessary for everyone to be
>>> vaccinated
>>
>> **Yes, it is. 10% of the population is 2.5 million people (more, if
>> you count children).
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>>>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times. Anti-vaxxers are
>>>> morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer funded medical system.
>>>
>>>
>>> so are obese persons who get diabetes, idiots who injure themselves
>>> in car accidents, ppl who don't take good care of themselves and get
>>> sick, etc., the health system is for everyone regardless of the cause
>>> of the need
>>
>> **Indeed, it is the responsibility of all citizens to act responsibly
>> and get vaccinated. It's easy and free.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care of morons. BTW: That
>>>> objection extends to smokers too. However, vaccination is quick,
>>>> easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is far more difficult.
>>>
>>>
>>> it's not that difficult if you're sufficiently motivated
>>
>> **I wouldn't know. The last suck on a fag I had was when I was 10
>> years old. It was horrible. Never touched one since. My old man would
>> have killed my grandfather if he knew that he allowed me to try it.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  a lot of people here are very angry.
>>>>
>>>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated.
>>>
>>>
>>> there's no certainty you won't get covid and die if you're fully
>>> vaxxed and no certainty that you will if you're not
>>
>> **The chances of dying is dramatically reduced and the chances of
>> being admitted to hospital is reduced by 16 times, if vaccinated.
>
>
> that's not the isssue here.

**I simply responded to YOUR comment.

the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl
> should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and
> normal everyday activities like shopping and dining

**Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to be
part of society, they can move.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If I was still running a high street retail operation, I would be
>>>> angry too. I might be angry with the government, but I would
>>>> DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese government for covering up
>>>> COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>>>
>>>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>>>> morons.
>>>
>>>
>>> they might not even want you  :)
>>
>> **I've had no problems so far.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  and kids are being totally stuffed around with their activities atm.
>>>>
>>>> **EVERYONE is being totally stuffed around.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>
>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> really?
>>
>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>
>>
>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and stupidities
>>> with the covid rules and even now that kids activities are being
>>> cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented age and vax
>>> rules?
>>
>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>
>
> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
> brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of Victoria

**You still need to prove your claim.

On 25/11/2021 2:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
> that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl
> should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and
> normal everyday activities like shopping and dining

Actually they are being discriminated against on grounds of being idiots.

I am being discriminated against, CASA won't let me have a pilots
licence because I'm an insulin dependent diabetic, but I'm not marching
against their headquarters about it. If you live in a society, you have
to accept limitations.

On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>> are moving"
>>>>
>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>
>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible to
>>>>> go anywhere.
>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>
>>>
>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>
>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by
>> these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>
>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>
>>
>
> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause illegitimate.

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*Hundred of thousands*?..Anyway, 'The needs of the many outweigh the
needs of the few'.

                Compliments of Spock. (he`s on the money.)

>
>

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