On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>> are moving"
>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>
>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a sense
>>>> that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with everything
>>>> she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart. Unlike that
>>>> fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as Trump. He is well
>>>> out of his depth in the job.
>>>>
>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>>> their methods.
>>>>
>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death threats
>>>> is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed in his
>>>> response to these idiots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>>> anywhere.
>>>>
>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be maintained
>>>> then? How odd.
>>>
>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks on
>>> the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't remember
>>> when they started.
>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>
>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>
>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't blame
>>>> the government though. Maintenance is just something that has to be
>>>> done. Like it or not.
>>>>
>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>
>>
>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the past
>> 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to upgrade the
>> freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down to 80kph (lower
>> in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the job. It was
>> incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic stops were
>> required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can only imagine how
>> horrible it was for professional drivers and those who took that trip
>> daily. However, it's all done now and the result is excellent. I never
>> blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to do so, as I understand
>> that these things have to be done.
>
>
> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within a
> very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere else,
> its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic never
> seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time, the money
> would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
> daily basis.
>

**And your point is? You blame the state government. Why? Victorian
public transport is better than NSW.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 07:59:48 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 24/11/2021 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
> No, it is not "Max". You're making this bullshit up and expecting people
> to buy it because you think everyone else is as much of a stupid little
> troll as you are.

Note to self: Do lyrics and music for 'The Irony Song'.
>
> You really need to fuck back off into whatever retarded group you blew
> in from, as there is no love for you here....

Hey Peter! Want to meet up for a drink or coffee?

alvey
When The Fraudster goes into spokesperson mode ***EVERYONE*** knows that
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On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>
>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>> turps.
>>
>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>
> No, it's true.

When and where was this?

For a time there was no petrol to be had.

There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
70's in Victoria.

We were
> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
> tetraethyl lead.

I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
petrol but turps?

Daryl

On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a sense
>>>>> that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with everything
>>>>> she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart. Unlike that
>>>>> fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as Trump. He is well
>>>>> out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>
>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death threats
>>>>> is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed in his
>>>>> response to these idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible to
>>>>>> go anywhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be maintained
>>>>> then? How odd.
>>>>
>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks on
>>>> the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>> remember when they started.
>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>
>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>
>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that has
>>>>> to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>
>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the past
>>> 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to upgrade the
>>> freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down to 80kph (lower
>>> in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the job. It was
>>> incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic stops were
>>> required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can only imagine
>>> how horrible it was for professional drivers and those who took that
>>> trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result is excellent. I
>>> never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to do so, as I
>>> understand that these things have to be done.
>>
>>
>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within a
>> very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic never
>> seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time, the money
>> would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>> daily basis.
>>
>
> **And your point is?

Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
didn't do anything.

You blame the state government. Why?

Who else, the Martians?
The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
members who control the Vic Govt.
I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.

Victorian
> public transport is better than NSW.
>
Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.

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On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
>When and where was this?
>
> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>
>There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>70's in Victoria.
>
> We were
>> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>> tetraethyl lead.
>
>I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.

It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine
>Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
>petrol but turps?
>
>
>
>Daryl

On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a sense
>>>>>> that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with everything
>>>>>> she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart. Unlike that
>>>>>> fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as Trump. He is well
>>>>>> out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed in
>>>>>> his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be maintained
>>>>>> then? How odd.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to upgrade
>>>> the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down to 80kph
>>>> (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the job. It was
>>>> incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic stops were
>>>> required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can only imagine
>>>> how horrible it was for professional drivers and those who took that
>>>> trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result is excellent.
>>>> I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to do so, as I
>>>> understand that these things have to be done.
>>>
>>>
>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within a
>>> very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>> daily basis.
>>>
>>
>> **And your point is?
>
> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
> didn't do anything.
>
>  You blame the state government. Why?
>
> Who else, the Martians?
> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
> members who control the Vic Govt.
> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>
>  Victorian
>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>
> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>
>

**You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.

On 24/11/2021 7:48 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
> When and where was this?
>
>  For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>
> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
> 70's in Victoria.
>
>   We were
>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a bit of
>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was lots
>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>> tetraethyl lead.
>
> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
> Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
> petrol but turps?

There was a guy in my apprenticeship scheme who ran a pre-WWII Daimler
on TVO (tractor vapourising oil a crude form of kerosene), he just gave
it a squirt of petrol to get it started. It was illegal as there was no
duty paid on it, he knew a farmer who sold it to him on the sly.

On 24/11/2021 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:

>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>
>> Who else, the Martians?
>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
>> members who control the Vic Govt.
>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>
>>   Victorian
>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>
>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>
>>
>
> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.

Apart from being utterly nonsensical, how is this ridiculous comment
even *remotely* relevant to anything being discussed here?

--
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Regards,
Noddy.

On 24/11/2021 7:42 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
> Apart from being utterly nonsensical, how is this ridiculous comment
> even *remotely* relevant to anything being discussed here?
>

Well Dumb, said:

"Its still shit compared to the rest of the world."

So Dumber, LA is part of the 'rest of the world' and became relevant.

On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 10:42:59 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 24/11/2021 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
>>> members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
> Apart from being utterly nonsensical, how is this ridiculous comment
> even *remotely* relevant to anything being discussed here?

No doubt about it. You and Deryl are getting measurably denser by the day.

Firstly, it was your mate who introduced "the rest of the world", therefore
*any* locality response is "relevant". Only an idiot would claim otherwise.

Secondly, as your experience of the rest of the world is limited to NZ,
you'd be far better off keeping your enormous mouth shut.

Lastly, as a congenital liar *and* allround ignorant shithead, your opinion
on what is "relevant" is entirely worthless.

hth

alvey
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On 24/11/2021 6:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off
>>>>>>>> at Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and those
>>>>> who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result
>>>>> is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to
>>>>> do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>>> daily basis.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **And your point is?
>>
>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>> didn't do anything.
>>
>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>
>> Who else, the Martians?
>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
>> members who control the Vic Govt.
>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>
>>   Victorian
>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>
>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>
>>
>
> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.

London in peak hour isn't much fun either.

Dazzling Daryl's union conspiracy theory is just absurd and as to adding
lanes only serving to slow down traffic... I mean, what can you say to
that level of stupidity?

On 24/11/2021 4:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>
>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>> turps.
>>
>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>
> No, it's true. For a time there was no petrol to be had.

What year would that have been?

We were
> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
> tetraethyl lead.
> Little-boy Noddles should get into his pretty little car and drive off
> into the sunset.
>

He wasn't there... he wouldn't know.

On 24/11/2021 5:48 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
> When and where was this?
>
>  For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>
> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
> 70's in Victoria.
>
>   We were
>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a bit of
>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was lots
>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>> tetraethyl lead.
>
> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.

You struggle with most things. Sure it will run once it starts.

On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>>
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>
>>> No, it's true.
>>
>> When and where was this?
>>
>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>
>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>> 70's in Victoria.
>>
>> We were
>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>
>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>
> It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine

Which is irrelevant.
Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the mix you
described if it would run at all.

--
Daryl

On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off
>>>>>>>> at Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and those
>>>>> who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the result
>>>>> is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid enough to
>>>>> do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams will
>>>> never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>>> daily basis.
>>>>
>>>
>>> **And your point is?
>>
>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>> didn't do anything.
>>
>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>
>> Who else, the Martians?
>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for CFMEU
>> members who control the Vic Govt.
>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>
>>   Victorian
>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>
>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>
>>
>
> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.

I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of been
more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
You should go to London and see what real PT is.

--
Daryl

On 24/11/21 9:12 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 7:48 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>>
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>
>>> No, it's true.
>>
>> When and where was this?
>>
>>   For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>
>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the
>> mid 70's in Victoria.
>>
>>    We were
>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was lots
>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>
>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage
>> by putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also
>> struggle to believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>> Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
>> petrol but turps?
>
> There was a guy in my apprenticeship scheme who ran a pre-WWII Daimler
> on TVO (tractor vapourising oil a crude form of kerosene), he just gave
> it a squirt of petrol to get it started. It was illegal as there was no
> duty paid on it, he knew a farmer who sold it to him on the sly.
>

That's believable, petrol kero is a known fuel for IC engines used on
tractors.

--
Daryl

On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created thousands
>>>>>>>>> of jobs for his union mates with so much road works its near
>>>>>>>>> impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks
>>>>>>> on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't
>>>>>>> remember when they started.
>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>>>>>>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and the
>>>>>> result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not stupid
>>>>>> enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and within
>>>>> a very short time of the works being completed they start somewhere
>>>>> else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public transport.
>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on a
>>>>> daily basis.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **And your point is?
>>>
>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>> didn't do anything.
>>>
>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>
>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the end
>>> result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>
>>>   Victorian
>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>
>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>
>
> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of been
> more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>
Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
Japan in general.

On 24/11/2021 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which
>>>>>>>> only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and
>>>>>>> the result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not
>>>>>>> stupid enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to
>>>>>>> be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public
>>>>>> transport.
>>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on
>>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **And your point is?
>>>>
>>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>>> didn't do anything.
>>>>
>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>
>>>>   Victorian
>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>
>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>
>>
>> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of
>> been more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
>> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>>
> Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
> Japan in general.

**Agreed. Japan has a stunning public transport system. I recall
standing in a queue, waiting to board the Shinkansen. We boarded the
train and sat down. The train began to move and I said to my girlfriend:

"HA! The train is 30 seconds late. So much for this legendary Japanese
efficiency."

She replied:

"I bet your watch is wrong."

Dammit. She was right. The Shinkansen left the platform to the second.
The whole rail system for a non-Japanese speaker, was actually easier to
navigate than the Sydney system. This was in 1988, when there was very
little in the way of English signage.

On 24/11/21 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed
>>>>>>>>> in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>>>>>>>> years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>>>>>>>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which
>>>>>>>> only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something that
>>>>>>>>> has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph down
>>>>>>> to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to do the
>>>>>>> job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent traffic
>>>>>>> stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the freeway. I can
>>>>>>> only imagine how horrible it was for professional drivers and
>>>>>>> those who took that trip daily. However, it's all done now and
>>>>>>> the result is excellent. I never blamed the gummint. I'm not
>>>>>>> stupid enough to do so, as I understand that these things have to
>>>>>>> be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of time,
>>>>>> the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public
>>>>>> transport.
>>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on
>>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> **And your point is?
>>>>
>>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>>> didn't do anything.
>>>>
>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>
>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>
>>>>   Victorian
>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>
>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>
>>
>> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of
>> been more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
>> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>>
> Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
> Japan in general.

Never been there but people who have tell me its excellent.
Singapore's trains are excellent, cleanest stations and trains I've ever
seen.

--
Daryl

keithr0 wrote:
>On 24/11/2021 7:48 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>>
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>
>>> No, it's true.
>>
>> When and where was this?
>>
>>  For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>
>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>> 70's in Victoria.
>>
>>   We were
>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was lots
>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>
>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>> Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
>> petrol but turps?
>
>There was a guy in my apprenticeship scheme who ran a pre-WWII Daimler
>on TVO (tractor vapourising oil a crude form of kerosene), he just gave
>it a squirt of petrol to get it started. It was illegal as there was no
>duty paid on it, he knew a farmer who sold it to him on the sly.

When I was a student at a country high school one of the kids in the
class, who lived out of town, always drove to school in a 1928 Buick
running on power kero (a 16 y.o. could get a licence in those days).
It was illegal and you could smell him coming well before he got to
school if the wind was in the right direction but no one ever bothered
to stop him, probably because the Customs Dept handled fuel excise in
those days (nowadays it's the ATO). Cops couldn't care less.

That particular car was ideally suited for kero as, aside from its low
compression ratio, it also had had a carby heater and only needed a
few minutes on petrol before switching over. Performance and
drivability were much the same

(Power kero was taken off the market around the mid 70's since most
farm tractors were diesel by then, prior to which anyone could buy it
but it was only available in drums).

--
John H

On 24/11/21 7:59 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>
>> No, it's true.
>
> No, it is not "Max". You're making this bullshit up and expecting people
> to buy it because you think everyone else is as much of a stupid little
> troll as you are.

What sort of stupid little troll makes up complete stories in order to
BIG himself? Why that would be you Darren. Like your claims of land
ownership in Qld, not one but two(2) trade qualifications (that's big
narcissism right there!), three(3) apprenticeships (Wow), business
ownership (15 claimed years of Noddy's Automotive), 20+ years of
membership of the VACC (you really screwed up there). Yes Darren, the
above and many many more prove *you* are the troll in aus.cars because
none of your claims have been *proven*. FFS, you don't even know what
*proof* actually is!
>
> You really need to fuck back off into whatever retarded group you blew
> in from, as there is no love for you here....
>
Speaking on behalf of *everyone* again, eh? Feeling just a little
*entitled*???? Wannabe forum cop, are you Darren?

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 24/11/2021 6:31 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 24/11/2021 5:03 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 24/11/2021 1:57 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 24/11/21 9:11 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>> On 24/11/21 8:36 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:32 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a
>>>>>>>>>> sense that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with
>>>>>>>>>> everything she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart.
>>>>>>>>>> Unlike that fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as
>>>>>>>>>> Trump. He is well out of his depth in the job.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death
>>>>>>>>>> threats is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo
>>>>>>>>>> failed in his response to these idiots.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up
>>>>>>>>>>> the entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be
>>>>>>>>>> maintained then? How odd.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which
>>>>>>>>> takes years and years to complete, for example there has been
>>>>>>>>> roadworks on the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so
>>>>>>>>> long I can't remember when they started.
>>>>>>>>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that
>>>>>>>>> road without having to slow for some unnecessary road works
>>>>>>>>> which only happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start
>>>>>>>>>>> work at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that
>>>>>>>>>>> used to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are
>>>>>>>>>>> pissed off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't
>>>>>>>>>> blame the government though. Maintenance is just something
>>>>>>>>>> that has to be done. Like it or not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **I've been driving from Sydney to Newcastle, regularly, for the
>>>>>>>> past 27 years. About 6 years ago, the NSW gummint decided to
>>>>>>>> upgrade the freeway. The speed limit was reduced from 110kph
>>>>>>>> down to 80kph (lower in some areas). It took them FIVE YEARS to
>>>>>>>> do the job. It was incredibly frustrating and annoying. Frequent
>>>>>>>> traffic stops were required, to allow trucks to enter the
>>>>>>>> freeway. I can only imagine how horrible it was for professional
>>>>>>>> drivers and those who took that trip daily. However, it's all
>>>>>>>> done now and the result is excellent. I never blamed the
>>>>>>>> gummint. I'm not stupid enough to do so, as I understand that
>>>>>>>> these things have to be done.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> They have spent years "upgrading" various fwys down here and
>>>>>>> within a very short time of the works being completed they start
>>>>>>> somewhere else, its a never ending perpetual traffic jam.
>>>>>>> Doesn't seem to matter how many extra lanes they add the traffic
>>>>>>> never seems to get any better so IMHO the work is a waste of
>>>>>>> time, the money would be better spent elsewhere such as on public
>>>>>>> transport.
>>>>>>> The amount of time lost while sitting in roadworks traffic jams
>>>>>>> will never be gotten back even if the roads end up better.
>>>>>>> Just happy to be retired and not have to put up with that shit on
>>>>>>> a daily basis.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **And your point is?
>>>>>
>>>>> Its takes 2-3 times longer to get from a to b than it would if they
>>>>> didn't do anything.
>>>>>
>>>>>   You blame the state government. Why?
>>>>>
>>>>> Who else, the Martians?
>>>>> The road works are for no other purpose than to provide work for
>>>>> CFMEU members who control the Vic Govt.
>>>>> I wouldn't mind if there was a genuine need for the works and the
>>>>> end result would improve travel times but its a fail on both.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Victorian
>>>>>> public transport is better than NSW.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Its still shit compared to the rest of the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> **You need to get out more. Try LA sometime.
>>>
>>>
>>> I've heard that LA PT is more or less non existent but I should of
>>> been more specific, I meant the civilized world such as Europe.
>>> You should go to London and see what real PT is.
>>>
>> Actually, if you want really good public transport, go to Tokyo, or
>> Japan in general.
>
> **Agreed. Japan has a stunning public transport system. I recall
> standing in a queue, waiting to board the Shinkansen. We boarded the
> train and sat down. The train began to move and I said to my girlfriend:
>
> "HA! The train is 30 seconds late. So much for this legendary Japanese
> efficiency."
>
> She replied:
>
> "I bet your watch is wrong."
>
> Dammit. She was right. The Shinkansen left the platform to the second.
> The whole rail system for a non-Japanese speaker, was actually easier to
> navigate than the Sydney system. This was in 1988, when there was very
> little in the way of English signage.
>
> That Shinkansen was very impressive. I recall looking out the window,
> wondering why there was all these cars parked on the freeway. Of course
> they weren't parked. They were travelling at 100kph. We were doing 275kph.

On 23/11/2021 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>> everything.
>
> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
> slightest bit different :)
>
> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a part
> of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax under
> any government I lead" was part of hers.
>
>> The past few years have revealed that he is well out of his depth in
>> the job.
>
> Yeah, well, we all know how much of a die hard fanatical Labor
> supporter you are :)
>
> Here's something to ponder Trev. We've just gone through 18 months+ of
> lockdowns which have been devastating in more ways than one. Yet the
> economy is in good shape, unemployment is at record lows, the housing
> market is booming and unlike most other countries we *haven't* had
> thousands of Covid casualties.
>
> If Labor was in office, I'd bet my left nut that you would happily put
> all that down to their fantastic management :)
>
>

spot on

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty much
>>> everything.
>>
>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>> slightest bit different :)
>>
>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon tax
>> under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>
> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips are
> moving"
> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they are
> all tarred with the same brush.
> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are protesting
> and I don't think that its because they are anti vax, its because
> Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with their methods.
> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state with
> everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his union
> mates with so much road works its near impossible to go anywhere.
> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>
>

yes

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 23/11/2021 8:25 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 23/11/21 6:56 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 23/11/21 9:43 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a Polly
>>>>>> Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about pretty
>>>>>> much everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is the
>>>>> slightest bit different :)
>>>>>
>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much a
>>>>> part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no carbon
>>>>> tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>
>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>> are moving"
>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians, they
>>>> are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>
>>> **Some are, some aren't. Like Lambie, for instance. I have a sense
>>> that she is honest in her approach. I don't agree with everything
>>> she says, but I believe she speaks from the heart. Unlike that
>>> fucking idiot, Scummo. He lies almost as much as Trump. He is well
>>> out of his depth in the job.
>>>
>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree with
>>>> their methods.
>>>
>>> **They may not like Andrews. That's fine, but to make death threats
>>> is completely unacceptable. Thing is that Scummo failed in his
>>> response to these idiots.
>>>
>>>
>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because of
>>>> the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire state
>>>> with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs for his
>>>> union mates with so much road works its near impossible to go
>>>> anywhere.
>>>
>>> **I see. It is your contention that roads should not be maintained
>>> then? How odd.
>>
>> Its not maintenance, its widening adding extra lanes which takes
>> years and years to complete, for example there has been roadworks on
>> the Monash Fwy with reduced speed limits for so long I can't remember
>> when they started.
>> It would be at least 10yrs since anyone could drive on that road
>> without having to slow for some unnecessary road works which only
>> happen to keep the premiers union mates in work.
>>>
>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to take
>>>> 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at Andrews.
>>>
>>> **None of us like to be inconvenienced by road works. We don't blame
>>> the government though. Maintenance is just something that has to be
>>> done. Like it or not.
>>>
>> OK if it was maintenance but it isn't.
>>
> Upgrading of roads is *necessary* and, given the lack of vision and
> forward planning of state and federal governments in this country,
> *unavoidable*.
>

sure, but not always how they do it. and how often do we drive thru road
work speed zones with no one working, and you daren't take a chance and
not comply with the speed limit in case there's a revenue raiser on duty

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry