On 25/11/2021 4:33 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>> that's not the isssue here. the issue is whether in a free democracy
>> ppl should be discriminated against on medical grounds for employment
>> and normal everyday activities like shopping and dining
>
> Actually they are being discriminated against on grounds of being idiots.

Indeed.

> I am being discriminated against, CASA won't let me have a pilots
> licence because I'm an insulin dependent diabetic, but I'm not marching
> against their headquarters about it.

Just as well, as you wouldn't have much of a case :)

> If you live in a society, you have to accept limitations.

You do.

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On 25/11/2021 6:59 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> of course. but denying ppl the right to go shopping or work because
>> they're unvaccinated against a virus with a mortality rate in
>> Australia of less than 1% is unreasonable.
>
> It's within their own power not to be discriminated against, they just
> need to get a jab. It's free and easy, and they won't be injected with
> nano particles that would enable Bill Gates and the global cabal of
> pedophiles to track them.

Lol :)

This is the key point right here. The people who are enabling this
"discrimination" are in fact the very people who are complaining about
being discriminated against in the first place.

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On 25/11/2021 3:56 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>>
>>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed morons.
>>
>> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>> vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
>> think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
>> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
>> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
>> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
>> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff for
>> such jobs.
>
> It's a stupid idea that serves no other purpose than the coercion of
> the unvaccinated which only further increases their resistance to
> vaccination.

In some no doubt. Others will no doubt give up and comply in the end.

> Nor does it make either group any safer because sooner or later
> everyone will be exposed to the the virus at which point many of the
> unvaccinated are going to wish they had been. Lots of them will die
> (as will a few of the vaccinated).

This is the whole point of it all. To make people realise that this will
happen and they can avoid it easily by getting vaccinated and reducing
the risk of transmission.

> The only upside in delaying the inevitable would be to spread the rush
> on the health system (if only it were possible to charge the
> unvaccinated for any hospitalisation they might incur as a result).

That's not a bad idea :)

There's been talk for a while of charging people who visit public
hospital casualty departments a consultation fee for services that were
not urgent and could have been adequately treated by a local GP, and the
same thing could be applied to unvaccinated Covid patients who could
have avoided a stint in ICU by getting a free shot.

>> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a Saturday
>> flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check in
>> facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the woman I
>> spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities were
>> necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family picnic in a
>> park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and as such it
>> needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she agreed to that
>> she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within the council's
>> authority to demand that such practices be in place, and I suggested
>> that as the council was the "authority" who issued the permit for the
>> market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and added that if
>> the council didn't want to act on this I would take it to the Department
>> of Health and see what they had to say.
>
> Non compliance is the norm where I am, which also happens to be the
> region with one of the lowest vaccination rates in the nation. Even
> the local post office has no proper provision for social distancing
> and no one polices it in any case.
> When the virus does get here the government will have little other
> choice than to lockdown down the LGA... which ought be obvious to all
> but very few seem to give a stuff.

People are their own worst enemies.

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On 25/11/2021 6:49 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>
>>>
>>> **No, they are not.
>>
>> Not even *remotely* close :)
>>
>> I don't know what "protests" Felix is watching, but in Melbourne the
>> media has been full of pictures and video of *violent* protest with
>> many arrests being made.
>>
>>> I have no issue with anyone who doesn't want to be vaccinated,
>>> PROVIDED they remain in their home at all times.
>>
>> I'm in two minds about it. On the one hand I totally respect people's
>> rights to decide what they do with their own bodies and think that
>> compulsory vaccinations are pushing the boundaries of the government's
>> authorative powers, but at the same time I don't object to similar
>> social practices of "no jab no play" programs for unvaccinated
>> children attending day care centres. I'd probably also suggest that a
>> fair portion of those who are currently protesting *against* the Covid
>> jab have children themselves and complied with the "no jab no play"
>> rule without argument.
>>
>>> Anti-vaxxers are morons and are a potential drain on our taxpayer
>>> funded medical system. As a taxpayer, I object to paying for the care
>>> of morons. BTW: That objection extends to smokers too. However,
>>> vaccination is quick, easy and entirely safe. Giving up smoking is
>>> far more difficult.
>>
>> Object all you like, but you get zero say in how your tax
>> contributions are spent.
>>
>>>   a lot of people here are very angry.
>>>
>>> **Sure. Let them be angry AND vaccinated. If I was still running a
>>> high street retail operation, I would be angry too. I might be angry
>>> with the government, but I would DEFINITELY be angry with the Chinese
>>> government for covering up COVID-19 when it first appeared.
>>
>> You and most of the rest of the world I think, but good luck trying to
>> do anything about that.
>>
>>>> I had to prove I was double vaxxed just to shop in Kmart yesterday.
>>>
>>> **A good thing too. I will not visit premises that accept unvaxxed
>>> morons.
>>
>> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>> vaccination status, and it's a bit of a difficult area. Personally I
>> think it places a *lot* of stress on business staff, and I can just
>> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
>> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
>> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
>> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff
>> for such jobs.
>
> Went to the Good Guys in Melton this morning to buy a new TV and was
> asked to check in and show my vax status, went to the Post Office in The
> Village this afternoon and checked in but wasn't asked about vax status,
> most people were wearing masks but one young female customer wasn't and
> no one complained.
> Was asked to show vax status at a restaurant a couple of weeks ago.
> Wife's church is going back to normal services from this Sunday and she
> has been told that they have to check the vax status of everyone.

I read in the paper today that the vax status requirement only became
law a few days ago. Still, I was out at a few places this morning and no
one gave the slightest fuck.

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On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created thousands
>>>>>>>> of jobs for his union mates with so much road works its near
>>>>>>>> impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff
>>>>> have been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted
>>>>> by these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>>> illegitimate.
>>>
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>
>>> *Hundred of thousands*?
>>
>>
>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>>
> Sounds too high, but, obviously, every rat bag conspiracy theorist in
> Victoria was there, there was even a guy with a "Vote Trump in 2020"
> flag. Obviously he didn't realise that we wasn't in America and that
> it's 2021.

there's some confusion here because there's been anti-vax and
anti-lockdown  rallies, and 'kill the bill' rallies. the latter have
been peaceful but the former not so much, although some anti-vaxers were
at the bill rallies.

>
> In the Sydney rally there was a woman with a placard saying "The blood
> of Jesus is my vaccine".

that's anti-vaxer

> Good luck with that, she may get to meet him sooner than she thinks.

nope. he was executed by the Romans over 2000 years ago

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On 25/11/2021 9:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>
>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>
>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>
> That's because some people only believe what they *want* to be true.

and some invent a life they never had

> They're usually the "askhole" type. Ask the same question over and
> over until they get the answer they *want* to hear.

then there's the 'liehole' type. they tell the same lies over and over
hoping ppl will believe them. even simple little ones like someone sold
toasters, someone else can't afford new cars, etc.,

>
>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>> trust your doctor.
>
> It's a perfectly healthy attitude to question what you are being told,
> but when all of the world's medical experts tell you the same thing
> it's perfectly *unhealthy* to think that they're wrong and you need to
> seek advice from someone else.
>
>
>
>

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On 25/11/2021 7:23 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>> vaccination status,
>
> **Jeez, they do up here. I've been to a couple of cafes, the aged care
> home, Big W and a couple of other places. All required proof of
> vaccination, before they allowed entry. I haven't been to Bunnings in
> the past few weeks, but I betcha they take it seriously too. The
> prescence of a refrigerator sized Moari, who turned people away, if they
> failed to check in correctly, suggests that they take it all pretty
> seriously. My local Coles just has the scariest employee standing out
> front, checking customer's details.

The wife went out into the city last Saturday for dinner and drinks with
a bunch of her staff and they went to a restaurant and a couple of bars,
and they had to check in and show their vaccination status at each
venue. Around here though in "rural Vic" no one seems to give a fuck.

I don't think places like Coles have to comply as they'd be considered
an "essential" shop, but everywhere else was open slather with no one
checking jack.

>  and I can just
>> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
>> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're being
>> discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly, and I
>> think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security staff
>> for such jobs.
>
> **Yep. Like Bunnings do/did.

Absolutely. Get a few of the cuzzie bro's out there to sort shit out.

There was a story in the paper of some fucktard throwing a cup of hot
water over some kid who was checking vaccination status outside some
store. I mean, for fuck's sake. They don't make the rules and are only
trying to do their job.

Fucking morons.

>> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a
>> Saturday flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR check
>> in facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained the
>> woman I spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR facilities
>> were necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a family
>> picnic in a park, this was a dedicated public event at a dedicated and
>> as such it needed to have a QR check in procedure in place. Once she
>> agreed to that she changed her stance to declare that it wasn't within
>> the council's authority to demand that such practices be in place, and
>> I suggested that as the council was the "authority" who issued the
>> permit for the market in the first place I was pretty sure it was, and
>> added that if the council didn't want to act on this I would take it
>> to the Department of Health and see what they had to say.
>>
>> Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.
>
> **A good result.

I was quite proud of myself actually. Just a shame that my wife and I
were the only ones who used it.

<shrug>

>> In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has overall
>> authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be implemented
>> as far as public health is concerned, and the government cannot alter
>> or ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of "ignoring a
>> directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal offence.
>
> **Felix claimed that no consideration of the implications was taken.

Felix claims lots of things, and is usually wrong.
>> Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
>> consideration" however is an utter nonsense,
>
> **Of course.
>
>  as the overriding
>> consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief Health Officer is
>> the health and safety of the general populace, and doing whatever is
>> necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic and protect as many
>> people as possible. That means doing things that piss some people off
>> and they can't see the value in it themselves (which I have no doubt
>> Felix cannot), but the greater good is the main consideration at the
>> expense of some personal liberties.
>
> **Yeah, it's no big deal. Felix needs to speak to some old people and
> ask them what REAL restrictions are like. The 1940s, for instance.

Yeah, I was only having a conversation about that with my mother in law
a couple of weeks ago after reading about the protests and complaints of
what to her must have seemed pretty trivial. She was born in 1938 and is
old enough to remember living through World War II and the years of
rationed supplies that came after it. She wasn't dismissive of people
complaining as she appreciated how difficult it could be for some
people, but she wondered how people of today would handle going two
years or more before they could buy a fresh egg or a new pair of shoes,
or have a monthly ration of 3 gallons of petrol.

Rationing in New Zealand went for 9 straight years, and I think it was
much the same here.

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On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>>
>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause illegitimate.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> *Hundred of thousands*?..

Lol :)

Hundreds maybe. Hundreds of thousands is Felix demonstrating how thin
his grasp on reality actually is.

> Anyway, 'The needs of the many outweigh the
> needs of the few'.

Indeed.

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On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:

>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally

ROTFL :)

Take a look at this footage here:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc

That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the Beatles
when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the recent
city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has no idea
when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.

> Sounds too high,

Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of the
situation look exemplary :)

> but, obviously, every rat bag conspiracy theorist in
> Victoria was there, there was even a guy with a "Vote Trump in 2020"
> flag. Obviously he didn't realise that we wasn't in America and that
> it's 2021.

Lol :)

It would be interesting to determine how many were there out of a
genuine sense of protest at the law and how many were just using it as
an excuse to run rampant and didn't give a shit (or know) why they were
there.

I would think the latter would outnumber the former, and probably by
some considerable margin.

> In the Sydney rally there was a woman with a placard saying "The blood
> of Jesus is my vaccine". Good luck with that, she may get to meet him
> sooner than she thinks.

Heh :)

A very old friend of mine who I've known since we were school kids and
who I love to death is a mad anti vaxxer. She's an amazingly wonderful
woman who has the kindest heart, but she's as dumb as a bricklayer's
trowel and has been since I've known her. She's had 8 lovely children
who have all grown up to be wonderful adults and they were all
vaccinated when they needed to be, but as far as this "Covid nonsense"
goes she's been got at and turned by a few of her nutbag snowflake friends.

I haven't seen her in years, but the last pic of herself she posted on
Facebook showed her holding a sign that had a hypodermic needle crossed
out with a big red X, and she was wearing a shirt that said "No vaccines
- I trust my immune system".

My immediate thought was "Love, you're amazing, but with bullshit
beliefs like that I'll be going to your funeral and not you going to mine".

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On 25/11/2021 10:11 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff
>>>>>> have been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and
>>>>>> accosted by these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people
>>>>>> aren't reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>>>> illegitimate.
>>>>
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>
>>>> *Hundred of thousands*?
>>>
>>>
>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>>>
>> Sounds too high,

here's some pics ..
https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-pictures-melbournes-day-of-protest-over-pandemic-bill-20211120-h1zwaf.html

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On 25/11/2021 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:23 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 2:01 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> I haven't come anywhere yet that is actually checking people's
>>> vaccination status,
>>
>> **Jeez, they do up here. I've been to a couple of cafes, the aged care
>> home, Big W and a couple of other places. All required proof of
>> vaccination, before they allowed entry. I haven't been to Bunnings in
>> the past few weeks, but I betcha they take it seriously too. The
>> prescence of a refrigerator sized Moari, who turned people away, if
>> they failed to check in correctly, suggests that they take it all
>> pretty seriously. My local Coles just has the scariest employee
>> standing out front, checking customer's details.
>
> The wife went out into the city last Saturday for dinner and drinks with
> a bunch of her staff and they went to a restaurant and a couple of bars,
> and they had to check in and show their vaccination status at each
> venue. Around here though in "rural Vic" no one seems to give a fuck.
>
> I don't think places like Coles have to comply as they'd be considered
> an "essential" shop, but everywhere else was open slather with no one
> checking jack.
>
>>   and I can just
>>> imagine some innocent kid working the door at some department store
>>> coping all kinds of abuse from fucked up munts who think they're
>>> being discriminated against. It has the potential to get *real* ugly,
>>> and I think the larger stores should be employing dedicated security
>>> staff for such jobs.
>>
>> **Yep. Like Bunnings do/did.
>
> Absolutely. Get a few of the cuzzie bro's out there to sort shit out.
>
> There was a story in the paper of some fucktard throwing a cup of hot
> water over some kid who was checking vaccination status outside some
> store. I mean, for fuck's sake. They don't make the rules and are only
> trying to do their job.
>
> Fucking morons.
>
>>> I complained to my local council a couple of weeks ago about a
>>> Saturday flea market at the local footy ground not having any QR
>>> check in facilities in place. When I rang the council and complained
>>> the woman I spoke to said it was an outdoor gathering and no QR
>>> facilities were necessary. I told her that while that may be so for a
>>> family picnic in a park, this was a dedicated public event at a
>>> dedicated and as such it needed to have a QR check in procedure in
>>> place. Once she agreed to that she changed her stance to declare that
>>> it wasn't within the council's authority to demand that such
>>> practices be in place, and I suggested that as the council was the
>>> "authority" who issued the permit for the market in the first place I
>>> was pretty sure it was, and added that if the council didn't want to
>>> act on this I would take it to the Department of Health and see what
>>> they had to say.
>>>
>>> Sure enough, there were QR check in notices in place last Saturday.
>>
>> **A good result.
>
> I was quite proud of myself actually. Just a shame that my wife and I
> were the only ones who used it.
>
> <shrug>
>
>>> In a pandemic such as we currently find ourselves, the CHO has
>>> overall authority regarding rules and regulations that need to be
>>> implemented as far as public health is concerned, and the government
>>> cannot alter or ignore them. They are law, which is why a charge of
>>> "ignoring a directive of the Chief Health Officer" is a criminal
>>> offence.
>>
>> **Felix claimed that no consideration of the implications was taken.
>
> Felix claims lots of things, and is usually wrong.
>>> Felix's claim that those rules and regulations are made "without
>>> consideration" however is an utter nonsense,
>>
>> **Of course.
>>
>>   as the overriding
>>> consideration in *every* order issued by the Chief Health Officer is
>>> the health and safety of the general populace, and doing whatever is
>>> necessary to minimise the effects of this pandemic and protect as
>>> many people as possible. That means doing things that piss some
>>> people off and they can't see the value in it themselves (which I
>>> have no doubt Felix cannot), but the greater good is the main
>>> consideration at the expense of some personal liberties.
>>
>> **Yeah, it's no big deal. Felix needs to speak to some old people and
>> ask them what REAL restrictions are like. The 1940s, for instance.
>
> Yeah, I was only having a conversation about that with my mother in law
> a couple of weeks ago after reading about the protests and complaints of
> what to her must have seemed pretty trivial. She was born in 1938 and is
> old enough to remember living through World War II and the years of
> rationed supplies that came after it. She wasn't dismissive of people
> complaining as she appreciated how difficult it could be for some
> people, but she wondered how people of today would handle going two
> years or more before they could buy a fresh egg or a new pair of shoes,
> or have a monthly ration of 3 gallons of petrol.
>
> Rationing in New Zealand went for 9 straight years, and I think it was
> much the same here.
>
I can remember my mother paying the milk bill and having to provide
coupons to cover the amount of milk that we had consumed. Almost
everything was rationed, the last items only came off in 1954. Petrol
was almost impossible to come by for the average motorist.

On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> Take a look at this footage here:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>
> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the Beatles
> when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the recent
> city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has no idea
> when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>
>> Sounds too high,
>
> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
> ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of the
> situation look exemplary :)

I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing, unlikely
it was anywhere near 100,000.

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On 25/11/2021 11:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>>
>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> Take a look at this footage here:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>>
>> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the
>> Beatles when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the
>> recent city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has
>> no idea when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>>
>>> Sounds too high,
>>
>> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
>> ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of
>> the situation look exemplary :)
>
> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
> the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing,
> unlikely it was anywhere near 100,000.
>
>

he quoted numbers for various things. I may be mistaken about the crowd
number he gave. it was certainly thousands however

https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-pictures-melbournes-day-of-protest-over-pandemic-bill-20211120-h1zwaf.html

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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 25/11/2021 11:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 9:19 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 7:23 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:

>>> **Yeah, it's no big deal. Felix needs to speak to some old people and
>>> ask them what REAL restrictions are like. The 1940s, for instance.
>>
>> Yeah, I was only having a conversation about that with my mother in
>> law a couple of weeks ago after reading about the protests and
>> complaints of what to her must have seemed pretty trivial. She was
>> born in 1938 and is old enough to remember living through World War II
>> and the years of rationed supplies that came after it. She wasn't
>> dismissive of people complaining as she appreciated how difficult it
>> could be for some people, but she wondered how people of today would
>> handle going two years or more before they could buy a fresh egg or a
>> new pair of shoes, or have a monthly ration of 3 gallons of petrol.
>>
>> Rationing in New Zealand went for 9 straight years, and I think it was
>> much the same here.
>>
> I can remember my mother paying the milk bill and having to provide
> coupons to cover the amount of milk that we had consumed. Almost
> everything was rationed, the last items only came off in 1954. Petrol
> was almost impossible to come by for the average motorist.

I still have a ration book here somewhere that my old man gave me when I
was a kid. I can remember him telling me what life was like, both during
the war and after. Rationing went on for a *long* time after the war
ended, and well into the 1950's as you say. People complain about the
difficulties of life today under lockdown, but I dare say most of them
would struggle to to understand what life was like back then, not even
being able to buy a loaf of bread or chunk of cheese even if you *did*
have the money in your pocket.

Different world, and certainly a different people.

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Noddy.

On 25/11/2021 11:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:

>> ROTFL :)
>>
>> Take a look at this footage here:
>>
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>>
>> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the
>> Beatles when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the
>> recent city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has
>> no idea when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>>
>>> Sounds too high,
>>
>> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
>> ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of the
>> situation look exemplary :)
>
> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
> the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing, unlikely
> it was anywhere near 100,000.

Probably 30 thousand tops. The last protest footage I saw on TV was the
recent big one as they marched up Bourke St towards Parliament house,
and the video showed the protesters occupying just over 2 blocks in
Bourke St. Nothing like 300 thousand people. 30 thousand was probably
pushing it :)

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME58KWG

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Noddy.

On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 18:30:20 +1100, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
wrote:

>On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>> turps.
>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>> No, it's true.
>>> When and where was this?
>>>
>>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>
>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>>> 70's in Victoria.

It was chilling to watch the roads becoming deserted, and business was
drying up.

>>>
>>>
>
>
>yep. I remember the tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages
>
>
>>>
>>>> We were making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine
>>> Kerosene maybe as that was used as fuel for tractors after starting on
>>> petrol but turps?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Daryl

On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:

>On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>
>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>> turps.
>
>What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
bullshit.

On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>
>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>> turps.
>>
>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
> bullshit.

Tell your story walking, Max.

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On 25/11/2021 7:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be
>>>>> vaccinated. There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the
>>>>> overwhelming medical evidence though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>>
>>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>>
>>>   my niece is trying
>>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>>>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>
>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>
>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>
>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>> trust your doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>
> you and Trevor have no idea what information she has obtained or from
> where or what her doctor is telling her. only stupid ppl make
> assumptions and treat them as fact.
>
>

**I only know that she is an utter fool. She has NOT looked at the
medical studies which show, conclusively, that COVID-19 vaccinations are
safe and that the COVID-19 virus is highly dangerous for mother and
foetus. I do not believe that ANY doctor, registered in Australia, will
have provided her with the clearly false information that she has embraced.

Only REALLY stupid people make claims like: "COVID-19 vaccines cause
miscarriages".

I'll spell it out once more: Your niece is an idiot. She is likely
listening to some idiot on Youtube.

References:

https://www1.racgp.org.au/newsgp/clinical/research-finds-no-association-between-covid-vaccin

"Research finds no association between COVID vaccines and miscarriage"

And:

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0255994

"There is an increased risk of abortion in mothers with a positive test
result of SARS-CoV-2, which several case reports and case series have
identified during the pandemic. Placental inflammation during the viral
infection may result in fetal growth retardation and induce abortion.
There has not been any consistent evidence of vertical transmission of
the virus from mother to fetus, which requires further investigation."

I will re-state: Your niece is a misguided idiot. Tell her to listen to
credible medical advice, not some random idiot on Youtube.

This information took me all of THREE MINUTES to locate. I betcha your
moronic niece spent hours seeking out false information.

On 25/11/2021 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>
>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>
>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have been
>>>>> vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>
>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19 are
>>> far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine. ALL
>>> medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming medical
>>> evidence though.
>>
>>
>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is
>> trying to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently
>> the vax has caused miscarriages.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be
>>>> discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and normal
>>>> everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>>
>>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have certain
>>> responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't want to
>>> be part of society, they can move.
>>
>>
>> where to. Mars?
>
> There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with just
> about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want to live
> under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular society, you
> conform to the conditions of that society.
>
>>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> really?
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids activities
>>>>>> are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and implemented
>>>>>> age and vax rules?
>>>>>
>>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half a
>>>> brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>>> Victoria
>>>
>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>
>>
>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>>
>>
> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
> gasping for breath.

That's the core issue. I don't want to be that guy taking up a bed
because of a selfish choice I made at the expense of someone who needs
it and doesn't have a choice - who might die as a result.

Maybe anti-vaxxers should be made to sign waiver to hospitalisation due
to COVID but they'll bang on about rights on that too, because all they
care about is what they want, not what is best for the greater community.

On 25/11/2021 1:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 3:56 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 12:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as much
>>>>>>>> a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be no
>>>>>>>> carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their lips
>>>>>>> are moving"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti vax,
>>>>>>> its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do disagree
>>>>>>> with their methods.
>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just because
>>>>>>> of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the entire
>>>>>>> state with everything he touches, he's created thousands of jobs
>>>>>>> for his union mates with so much road works its near impossible
>>>>>>> to go anywhere.
>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work at
>>>>>>> 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used to
>>>>>>> take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed off at
>>>>>>> Andrews.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory vaccinations
>>>>> are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>
>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff have
>>>> been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted by
>>>> these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>
>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> most of the hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>> illegitimate.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's true and most are probably peaceful.
>> It's their democratic right to protest and as long as they do it
>> peacefully and don't interfere with other people going about their
>> business I don't have a problem with it.
>
>
> and that's how it was
>

Quite a few ferals though, so not quite the picture you're trying to
paint here either.

keithr0 wrote:
>
>I can remember my mother paying the milk bill and having to provide
>coupons to cover the amount of milk that we had consumed. Almost
>everything was rationed, the last items only came off in 1954. Petrol
>was almost impossible to come by for the average motorist.

Rationing ended in 1950 following the 1949 election with petrol
rationing being the predominant election issue.

The Chifley Labor Government intended maintaining it on economic
grounds. Pig Iron Bob campaigned on the promise of ending it which
easily won him the election. Labor stalwarts were still arguing
Chifley was right long after rationing ended.

AFAIK the only wartime measures Menzies retained were price control
(which included cars) and import restrictions (on economic grounds)
with the exception of crude oil.

Australian based oil refineries were established around the same time
as petrol rationing ended.

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On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 07:35:29 +1100, Noddy wrote:

> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>> bullshit.
>
> Tell your story walking, Max.

How about you tell your stories with some proof Fraudster?

alvey

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On 26/11/21 12:50 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 11:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> Take a look at this footage here:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>>>
>>> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the
>>> Beatles when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the
>>> recent city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has
>>> no idea when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>>>
>>>> Sounds too high,
>>>
>>> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
>>> ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of
>>> the situation look exemplary :)
>>
>> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
>> the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
>> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
>> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
>> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing,
>> unlikely it was anywhere near 100,000.
>
> Probably 30 thousand tops. The last protest footage I saw on TV was the
> recent big one as they marched up Bourke St towards Parliament house,
> and the video showed the protesters occupying just over 2 blocks in
> Bourke St. Nothing like 300 thousand people. 30 thousand was probably
> pushing it :)
>
>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME58KWG
>
30,000 sounds possible, 300k is fantasy.

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On 26/11/21 7:15 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Thu, 25 Nov 2021 18:30:20 +1100, Yosemite Sam <felix@invalid.com>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/2021 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>
>>>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>
>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>
> It was chilling to watch the roads becoming deserted, and business was
> drying up.

Certainly wasn't a good time, we also had electricity rationing due to
industrial disputes.
Major industrial disputes that affect everyone are pretty much non
existent now.

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