On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>>> bullshit.
>>
>> lol! petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>
> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
> card.

Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
fuel.

--
Daryl

On 26/11/21 2:05 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:13:18 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>>
>>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>>
>>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>>> for we fully insured people.
>>>
>> https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
>> In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
>> 24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
>> at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty
>> of capacity to cater for non covid cases.
>
>
>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>
> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>
The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet they
still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and surgery.

--
Daryl

On 26/11/2021 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>>> bullshit.
>>
>> lol! petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>
> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama
> credit card.

LOL!

--
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- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 11/25/2021 7:28 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government
>>>>>>> agencies (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of
>>>>>>> reasons.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish
>>>>>>> idiots.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>>
>>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the
>>>>> vaccine. ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be
>>>>> vaccinated. There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the
>>>>> overwhelming medical evidence though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>>
>>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>>
>>>   my niece is trying
>>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>>>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>
>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>
>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>
>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>> trust your doctor.
>>
>>
>>
>
> you and Trevor have no idea what information she has obtained or from
> where or what her doctor is telling her. only stupid ppl make
> assumptions and treat them as fact.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

As the mayor of such circumstance, (ie, no idea and assumption) *you*
are going to be up for a big glass bill!.

>
>

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Daryl wrote:
>On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>>
>> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
>> card.
>
>Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
>the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
>There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
>strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
>fuel.

One of the tricks during the petrol strike was to use a wad punch and
a jack to push through the bottom of the tank and then slip a hose
over the wad punch to catch the fuel. I lived in Adelaide at the time
and recall one of their popular pubs having a number of vehicles in
their car park done over in a single night.

It would be even easier with the advent of plastic tanks.

--
John H

On 26/11/21 3:28 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>
>>>> petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>>>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>>>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>>>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>>>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>>>
>>> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
>>> card.
>>
>> Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
>> the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
>> There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
>> strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
>> fuel.
>
> One of the tricks during the petrol strike was to use a wad punch and
> a jack to push through the bottom of the tank and then slip a hose
> over the wad punch to catch the fuel. I lived in Adelaide at the time
> and recall one of their popular pubs having a number of vehicles in
> their car park done over in a single night.
>
> It would be even easier with the advent of plastic tanks.
>

Battery drills also would make it easier although I wouldn't like to be
anywhere near if there was a stray spark.

--
Daryl

On 11/25/2021 11:59 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 11:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>>>
>>> ROTFL :)
>>>
>>> Take a look at this footage here:
>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>>>
>>> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the
>>> Beatles when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of
>>> the recent city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner
>>> has no idea when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>>>
>>>> Sounds too high,
>>>
>>> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner
>>> would ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's
>>> handling of the situation look exemplary :)
>>
>> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
>> the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
>> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
>> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
>> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing,
>> unlikely it was anywhere near 100,000.
>>
>>
>
> he quoted numbers for various things. I may be mistaken about the
> crowd number he gave. it was certainly thousands however

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 I watched *live* vid`s (Tik-Tok) of the SA, Vic, and NSW demo`s. SA
showed a few hundred, Vic was bigger, but lots of separate, disparate,
groups.

     I threw a dissenting comment into one of the *Freedom* groups, and
was immediately muted!. Freedom? for whom? obviously not for me and *my*
opinion!.

 Sydney was just more of the same.  Hardly *Hundreds of thousands*
anywhere!.

>
>
> https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-pictures-melbournes-day-of-protest-over-pandemic-bill-20211120-h1zwaf.html
>

~~~~~~~~~

    And?.

>
>

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On 11/26/2021 2:58 PM, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 2:05 pm, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:13:18 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my
>>>>>>> dependents
>>>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of
>>>>>>> anti-vaxxers
>>>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>>>
>>>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>>>
>>>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>>>> for we fully insured people.
>>>>
>>> https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
>>> In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
>>> 24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
>>> at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty
>>> of capacity to cater for non covid cases.
>>
>>
>>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>>
>> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>>
> The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
> scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet
> they still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and
> surgery.

~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Yep, the *Gap*. *Bit of* a scam?. :)))

>
>

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Spafford, 1992

Daryl wrote:
>On 26/11/21 3:28 pm, John_H wrote:
>> Daryl wrote:
>>> On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>>>>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>>>>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>>>>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>>>>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>>>>
>>>> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
>>>> card.
>>>
>>> Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
>>> the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
>>> There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
>>> strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
>>> fuel.
>>
>> One of the tricks during the petrol strike was to use a wad punch and
>> a jack to push through the bottom of the tank and then slip a hose
>> over the wad punch to catch the fuel. I lived in Adelaide at the time
>> and recall one of their popular pubs having a number of vehicles in
>> their car park done over in a single night.
>>
>> It would be even easier with the advent of plastic tanks.
>>
>
>Battery drills also would make it easier although I wouldn't like to be
>anywhere near if there was a stray spark.

How do you propose recovering the fuel, or even avoid being splashed?

The beauty of the wad punch method is that it seals the hole in the
tank and the hose is used to siphon into a can. It's quiet and if
done carefully the only fuel spilt will be the very small amount
remaining in the tank when the wad punch is removed.

In case it isn't obvious the perp holds his finger over the hole in
the punch while the jack is removed. Both easy and effective,
especially with the aid of a helper.

And, no, I haven't done it personally, it's as described to me by
someone who knew a cop. :)

--
John H

On 26/11/2021 2:55 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:

>> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama
>> credit card.

:)

> Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
> the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
> There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
> strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
> fuel.

Me too :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 5:04 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:

>> Battery drills also would make it easier although I wouldn't like to be
>> anywhere near if there was a stray spark.
>
> How do you propose recovering the fuel, or even avoid being splashed?
>
> The beauty of the wad punch method is that it seals the hole in the
> tank and the hose is used to siphon into a can. It's quiet and if
> done carefully the only fuel spilt will be the very small amount
> remaining in the tank when the wad punch is removed.
>
> In case it isn't obvious the perp holds his finger over the hole in
> the punch while the jack is removed. Both easy and effective,
> especially with the aid of a helper.
>
> And, no, I haven't done it personally, it's as described to me by
> someone who knew a cop. :)

Lol :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>
>>>
>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>
>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>
> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
> for we fully insured people.

Jesus you talk some utter *crap* :)

If you're "fully insured", then go to a private hospital, and leave the
public system for those who need it.

For fuck's sake.....

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 11:09 am, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 8:55 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 6:25 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>    For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly
>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     We were
>>>>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a
>>>>>>> bit of
>>>>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was
>>>>>>> lots
>>>>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>>>>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>>>>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine
>>>>>> damage by
>>>>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also
>>>>>> struggle to
>>>>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>>>>
>>>>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute.  Rather a basic engine
>>>>
>>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>>> Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the mix
>>>> you
>>>> described if it would run at all.
>>>
>>> We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
>>> mower on fuel mixes.  We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
>>> mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
>>> etc.
>>> The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
>>> The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Content creators on youtube are doing such fun stuff to make money
>> these days.
>>
> That is probably why there are channels pandering to the conspiracy mob,
> just a way to make a buck out of the idiots.

Yep, and ditto the free energy channels with millions of views of fake
bullshit. Fake 'restoration' channels have started popping up too.

On 26/11/2021 4:35 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/26/2021 2:58 PM, Daryl wrote:

>>>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>>>
>>> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>>>
>> The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
>> scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet
>> they still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and
>> surgery.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Yep, the *Gap*. *Bit of* a scam?. :)))

It is a bit, but it's the price you pay for priority service.

If you need emergency treatment, such as needing to be admitted to ICU
due to Covid complications for example, then whether you have health
insurance or not makes no difference as you don't pay for emergency
treatment in public hospitals if you hold a medicare card.

However, if you have a non life threatening complaint then it can be an
entirely different ballgame.

You can still get free treatment for non life threatening procedures,
but you have to go on the waiting list and depending on how bad you are
and what you need you can be on the list for *years*. Your place on the
list is not a reserved position in the queue, and you can be continually
"bumped" as more priority patients are moved ahead of you.

Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is the gap
in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your surgeon is.

I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered a
full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance meant
that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and because
my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee my only
out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.

If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.

--
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--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>
>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>
>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>> for we fully insured people.
>
> Jesus you talk some utter *crap* :)
>
> If you're "fully insured", then go to a private hospital, and leave the
> public system for those who need it.
>
> For fuck's sake.....

If you need the ICU then it doesn't make any difference.

On 26/11/2021 4:56 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 11:09 am, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 8:55 am, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 6:25 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0
>>>>>>>>>> <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid
>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly
>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     We were
>>>>>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a
>>>>>>>> bit of
>>>>>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there
>>>>>>>> was lots
>>>>>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>>>>>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to
>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine
>>>>>>> damage by
>>>>>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also
>>>>>>> struggle to
>>>>>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute.  Rather a basic engine
>>>>>
>>>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>>>> Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the
>>>>> mix you
>>>>> described if it would run at all.
>>>>
>>>> We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
>>>> mower on fuel mixes.  We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
>>>> mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
>>>> etc.
>>>> The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
>>>> The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Content creators on youtube are doing such fun stuff to make money
>>> these days.
>>>
>> That is probably why there are channels pandering to the conspiracy
>> mob, just a way to make a buck out of the idiots.
>
>
> Yep, and ditto the free energy channels with millions of views of fake
> bullshit. Fake 'restoration' channels have started popping up too.

It's called clickbait.

On 26/11/2021 3:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 4:56 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 11:09 am, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 26/11/2021 8:55 am, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:25 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0
>>>>>>>>>>> <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter
>>>>>>>>>>> fluid and
>>>>>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>    For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly
>>>>>>>> the mid
>>>>>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>     We were
>>>>>>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a
>>>>>>>>> bit of
>>>>>>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there
>>>>>>>>> was lots
>>>>>>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we
>>>>>>>>> had no
>>>>>>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to
>>>>>>>> believe
>>>>>>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine
>>>>>>>> damage by
>>>>>>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also
>>>>>>>> struggle to
>>>>>>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute.  Rather a basic engine
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>>>>> Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the
>>>>>> mix you
>>>>>> described if it would run at all.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
>>>>> mower on fuel mixes.  We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
>>>>> mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
>>>>> etc.
>>>>> The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
>>>>> The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Content creators on youtube are doing such fun stuff to make money
>>>> these days.
>>>>
>>> That is probably why there are channels pandering to the conspiracy
>>> mob, just a way to make a buck out of the idiots.
>>
>>
>> Yep, and ditto the free energy channels with millions of views of fake
>> bullshit. Fake 'restoration' channels have started popping up too.
>
> It's called clickbait.

Too many subscribers to dismiss it as mere clickbait.

On 11/26/2021 6:02 PM, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 4:35 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/26/2021 2:58 PM, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>>>>
>>>> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>>>>
>>> The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
>>> scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet
>>> they still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and
>>> surgery.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Yep, the *Gap*. *Bit of* a scam?. :)))
>
> It is a bit, but it's the price you pay for priority service.
>
> If you need emergency treatment, such as needing to be admitted to ICU
> due to Covid complications for example, then whether you have health
> insurance or not makes no difference as you don't pay for emergency
> treatment in public hospitals if you hold a medicare card.
>
> However, if you have a non life threatening complaint then it can be
> an entirely different ballgame.
>
> You can still get free treatment for non life threatening procedures,
> but you have to go on the waiting list and depending on how bad you
> are and what you need you can be on the list for *years*. Your place
> on the list is not a reserved position in the queue, and you can be
> continually "bumped" as more priority patients are moved ahead of you.
>
> Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
> spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is the
> gap in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your
> surgeon is.
>
> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered
> a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance
> meant that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and
> because my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee
> my only out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>
> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

 Ive had both cataracts fixed in the public system, 9 mths and 6 mths
wait. no probs. Carry on as usual.

   If the procedure you are waiting for involves a group, they arrange
to er, do a dozen or so on the same day. (three chairs, no waiting. :))
The same for routine precautionary procedures. (colonoscopy, gastroscopy
etc. Four polyps removed this time, and a hiatal hernia discovered,
which answered a few questions, but it can stay where it is.)

 The public system in my neck of the woods is excellent.

)

>
>

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On 26/11/2021 11:06 pm, jonz wrote:
> On 11/26/2021 6:02 PM, Noddy wrote:

>>
>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered
>> a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance
>> meant that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and
>> because my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee
>> my only out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>>
>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>  Ive had both cataracts fixed in the public system, 9 mths and 6 mths
> wait. no probs. Carry on as usual.

9 months is a fairly lengthy wait to have your eyesight tended to :)

>    If the procedure you are waiting for involves a group, they arrange
> to er, do a dozen or so on the same day. (three chairs, no waiting. :))
> The same for routine precautionary procedures. (colonoscopy, gastroscopy
> etc. Four polyps removed this time, and a hiatal hernia discovered,
> which answered a few questions, but it can stay where it is.)
>
>  The public system in my neck of the woods is excellent.

The waiting list time depends on many things, not the least of which is
how "urgent" the doctor considers your procedure to be. You waited 9
months which I think is a fairly long time to wait for a procedure, but
it clearly didn't bother you that badly. I would have been completely
fucked waiting for that long to have my shoulder repaired, as while it
was incredibly painful and severely limited my arm movement it wasn't
considered urgent. It was to *me*, and I didn't want to wait which is
why I was happy to go private.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/21 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 4:35 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/26/2021 2:58 PM, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>>>>
>>>> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>>>>
>>> The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
>>> scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet
>>> they still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and
>>> surgery.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Yep, the *Gap*. *Bit of* a scam?. :)))
>
> It is a bit, but it's the price you pay for priority service.
>
> If you need emergency treatment, such as needing to be admitted to ICU
> due to Covid complications for example, then whether you have health
> insurance or not makes no difference as you don't pay for emergency
> treatment in public hospitals if you hold a medicare card.
>
> However, if you have a non life threatening complaint then it can be an
> entirely different ballgame.
>
> You can still get free treatment for non life threatening procedures,
> but you have to go on the waiting list and depending on how bad you are
> and what you need you can be on the list for *years*. Your place on the
> list is not a reserved position in the queue, and you can be continually
> "bumped" as more priority patients are moved ahead of you.
>
> Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
> spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is the gap
> in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your surgeon is.
>
> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered a
> full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance meant
> that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and because
> my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee my only
> out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>
> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>
>
Very likely, oldest sisters husband needed a hip replacement, they live
in Tassie where the waiting lists are very long, up to 2 yrs for a hip
replacement so my sister asked how much if they paid outright.
Price was $35,000 so she used some of her inheritance to pay for it and
it was done within 2 weeks.
About 20yrs ago I damaged my right knee and doctor said I might need
surgery, doc asked if I had private health insurance and he was
concerned when I said no, I asked him how much it would cost all up and
it was about $10,000.
He was surprised when I said no problem, if I need it I'll just pay and
I also said that it wasn't a problem because by not paying for private
insurance I'd still be well ahead after paying the $10k.
It was a bit of a gamble it but in our case it paid off because we saved
a fortune on premiums.

--
Daryl

On 26/11/21 5:04 pm, John_H wrote:
> Daryl wrote:
>> On 26/11/21 3:28 pm, John_H wrote:
>>> Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 26/11/21 2:10 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>>> On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days
>>>>>> when cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a
>>>>>> hose and jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can
>>>>>> remember buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the
>>>>>> auto accessory stores started selling them.
>>>>>>
>>>>> In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
>>>>> card.
>>>>
>>>> Its also mostly a thing of the past since most cars now have baffles in
>>>> the fuel fillers to make it difficult to siphon fuel.
>>>> There was certainly fuel thefts back when there was tanker driver
>>>> strikes but I doubt too many if any drilled holes in tanks to drain the
>>>> fuel.
>>>
>>> One of the tricks during the petrol strike was to use a wad punch and
>>> a jack to push through the bottom of the tank and then slip a hose
>>> over the wad punch to catch the fuel. I lived in Adelaide at the time
>>> and recall one of their popular pubs having a number of vehicles in
>>> their car park done over in a single night.
>>>
>>> It would be even easier with the advent of plastic tanks.
>>>
>>
>> Battery drills also would make it easier although I wouldn't like to be
>> anywhere near if there was a stray spark.
>
> How do you propose recovering the fuel, or even avoid being splashed?

I don't but no doubt some dumb arse would try it.
The Army trucks parked in our workshop yard that we were
servicing/repairing had lots of petrol in their tanks, the tanks had
drain plugs and we drained the fuel into large trays then tipped it into
Jerry cans.
Bosses told us we weren't allowed to take the fuel but they turned a
blind eye when we used it in company owned service vans.
We also used to do LPG only conversions on lots of forklifts which had
petrol in their tanks from the factory which had to be drained and
"disposed of".
>
> The beauty of the wad punch method is that it seals the hole in the
> tank and the hose is used to siphon into a can. It's quiet and if
> done carefully the only fuel spilt will be the very small amount
> remaining in the tank when the wad punch is removed.
>
> In case it isn't obvious the perp holds his finger over the hole in
> the punch while the jack is removed. Both easy and effective,
> especially with the aid of a helper.
>
> And, no, I haven't done it personally, it's as described to me by
> someone who knew a cop. :)
>
Sounds like a clever idea.

--
Daryl

On 26/11/2021 11:27 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 4:35 pm, jonz wrote:

>>
>> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered
>> a full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance
>> meant that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and
>> because my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee
>> my only out of pocket expenses was a 350 buck bill for the anesthetist.
>>
>> If I went through the public system I'd probably still be waiting.
>>
>>
> Very likely, oldest sisters husband needed a hip replacement, they live
> in Tassie where the waiting lists are very long, up to 2 yrs for a hip
> replacement so my sister asked how much if they paid outright.
> Price was $35,000 so she used some of her inheritance to pay for it and
> it was done within 2 weeks.

That's the thing. There is nothing stopping anyone from jumping to the
head of the queue other than their willingness to get their cheque books
out.

> About 20yrs ago I damaged my right knee and doctor said I might need
> surgery, doc asked if I had private health insurance and he was
> concerned when I said no, I asked him how much it would cost all up and
> it was about $10,000.
> He was surprised when I said no problem, if I need it I'll just pay and
> I also said that it wasn't a problem because by not paying for private
> insurance I'd still be well ahead after paying the $10k.
> It was a bit of a gamble it but in our case it paid off because we saved
> a fortune on premiums.

It's kinda the same thing with any insurance really. Most people pay but
never use it, which is why insurance companies make squillions of
dollars every year.

You can *not* pay and save a motza on premiums, but it's big gamble that
could go horribly tits up in a hurry.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 3:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 4:35 pm, jonz wrote:
>> On 11/26/2021 2:58 PM, Daryl wrote:
>
>>>>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>>>>
>>>> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>>>>
>>> The reason I asked is because I think health insurance is a bit of a
>>> scam, I know several people who have top health insurance cover yet
>>> they still had to pay thousands of dollars after hospital stays and
>>> surgery.
>>
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>
>>   Yep, the *Gap*. *Bit of* a scam?. :)))
>
> It is a bit, but it's the price you pay for priority service.
>
> If you need emergency treatment, such as needing to be admitted to ICU
> due to Covid complications for example, then whether you have health
> insurance or not makes no difference as you don't pay for emergency
> treatment in public hospitals if you hold a medicare card.
>
> However, if you have a non life threatening complaint then it can be an
> entirely different ballgame.
>
> You can still get free treatment for non life threatening procedures,
> but you have to go on the waiting list and depending on how bad you are
> and what you need you can be on the list for *years*. Your place on the
> list is not a reserved position in the queue, and you can be continually
> "bumped" as more priority patients are moved ahead of you.
>
> Having private health insurance simply means that you don't have to
> spend years waiting on a list, but the price you pay for that is the gap
> in your cover. It can be large or small depending on who your surgeon is.
>
> I had a shoulder reconstruction a couple of years ago after I suffered a
> full thickness rotator cuff tear. Having private health insurance meant
> that I was on the operating table three days after doing it, and because
> my surgeon is a really cool guy who doesn't charge any gap fee

That's not typical at all and quite frankly it sounds like complete
bullshit.

On 26/11/2021 11:05 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:13:18 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>>
>>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>>
>>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>>> for we fully insured people.
>>>
>> https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
>> In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
>> 24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
>> at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty
>> of capacity to cater for non covid cases.
>
>
>> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>
> People with comprehensive medical insurance.
>

Who end up with a bill for thousands even with comprehensive cover.

It's a scam.

On 26/11/2021 3:19 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 4:47 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 26/11/2021 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of
>>>>>> anti-vaxxers
>>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>>
>>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>>
>>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>>> for we fully insured people.
>>
>> Jesus you talk some utter *crap* :)
>>
>> If you're "fully insured", then go to a private hospital, and leave
>> the public system for those who need it.
>>
>> For fuck's sake.....
>
> If you need the ICU then it doesn't make any difference.

That's right.