On 25/11/2021 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>
>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>
>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>
>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>
> That's because some people only believe what they *want* to be true.
> They're usually the "askhole" type. Ask the same question over and over
> until they get the answer they *want* to hear.
>
>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>> trust your doctor.
>
> It's a perfectly healthy attitude to question what you are being told,
Like questioning your claims of having certain qualifications you mean?

You're not a trusted source after all, in fact you are a proven
congenital liar.

On 26/11/21 8:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 7:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government
>>>>>>>> agencies (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of
>>>>>>>> reasons.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish
>>>>>>>> idiots.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the
>>>>>> vaccine. ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be
>>>>>> vaccinated. There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the
>>>>>> overwhelming medical evidence though.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>>>
>>>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>>>
>>>>   my niece is trying
>>>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently the
>>>>> vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>>
>>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>>
>>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>>
>>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>>> trust your doctor.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> you and Trevor have no idea what information she has obtained or from
>> where or what her doctor is telling her. only stupid ppl make
>> assumptions and treat them as fact.
>>
>>
>
> **I only know that she is an utter fool. She has NOT looked at the
> medical studies which show, conclusively, that COVID-19 vaccinations are
> safe and that the COVID-19 virus is highly dangerous for mother and
> foetus. I do not believe that ANY doctor, registered in Australia, will
> have provided her with the clearly false information that she has embraced.

Agree, not a chance that any properly qualified medical doctor would
advise against covid vaccination just because she was pregnant or
looking to get pregnant.
My wife was a little bit hesitant about being vaccinated until she
visited her doctor who insisted she have it on the spot which she did.
If people are nervous about getting vaccinated they should talk to their
doctor, medical doctors are the only people who I would trust to give me
such advice and I've not heard of any doctor being anti vax.

--
Daryl

On 25/11/2021 6:25 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>>
>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>>
>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>
>>>> For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>
>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly the mid
>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>>
>>>> We were
>>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents. Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold. Though there was lots
>>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on. Sadly we had no
>>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>>
>>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine damage by
>>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also struggle to
>>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>>
>>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute. Rather a basic engine
>>
>> Which is irrelevant.
>> Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the mix you
>> described if it would run at all.
>
> We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
> mower on fuel mixes. We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
> mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
> etc.
> The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
> The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.
>

Content creators on youtube are doing such fun stuff to make money these
days.

On 26/11/2021 6:32 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 07:35:29 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>>
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>>> bullshit.
>>
>> Tell your story walking, Max.
>
> How about you tell your stories with some proof Fraudster?
>
>
>
> alvey
>

Beat me to it :-)

On 26/11/2021 9:08 am, John_H wrote:
> keithr0 wrote:
>>
>> I can remember my mother paying the milk bill and having to provide
>> coupons to cover the amount of milk that we had consumed. Almost
>> everything was rationed, the last items only came off in 1954. Petrol
>> was almost impossible to come by for the average motorist.
>
> Rationing ended in 1950 following the 1949 election with petrol
> rationing being the predominant election issue.
>
> The Chifley Labor Government intended maintaining it on economic
> grounds. Pig Iron Bob campaigned on the promise of ending it which
> easily won him the election. Labor stalwarts were still arguing
> Chifley was right long after rationing ended.

I really can't appreciate the logic behind rationing. I mean, it makes
perfect sense during wartime when there are shortages and you need some
sort of system in place to ensure everyone gets their share (although
I'm sure the black market was pretty busy), but years after the war it
makes little sense.

I understand Consumerism causes problems in and of itself, which was no
doubt one of the driving factors behind Menzies' credit squeeze in the
early 1960's, but Labor's plan to keep everyone on rations long after
the war had ended seemed pretty draconian to say the least.

> AFAIK the only wartime measures Menzies retained were price control
> (which included cars) and import restrictions (on economic grounds)
> with the exception of crude oil.

Up until the then Treasurer Harold Holt recommended a move to an
unrestricted market which had consequences.

> Australian based oil refineries were established around the same time
> as petrol rationing ended.

I can remember my old man telling me that he worked as a laborer at the
Altona petrochem complex while they were building it years ago. It was
constructed by Americans who bought all their own equipment out with
them ranging from large earth moving gear, trucks and specialist
machinery to hand tools and other goodies. They brought out
*shit-tonnes* of gear as Americans usually do, and it was all written
off into the contract price of building the complex. They weren't
interested in taking it home as it would cost them too much money to
ship it back home again and they couldn't sell it here without paying
duty on it. They couldn't even give it away without the people receiving
it having to pay tax on the "gift". So they simply dug a massive
football field sized hole in the ground at the rear of the complex,
pushed everything into it and buried the lot.

Fucking madness, but that's the way shit worked back then and it still
does to this day.

The old man said as the project was nearing completion it was common
knowledge that the yanks were going to dispose of the tools and
equipment, so people started binging in any old junk toolbox they could
find and "swapping" them for whatever nice shiny American box full of
tools they could get. Apparently the construction company's view at the
time was as long as they had the correct number of toolboxes to throw
into the hole while the government bean counter stood there and ticked
them off on his clipboard they couldn't have cared less.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>> turps.
>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
> bullshit.

lol! petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days when
cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a hose and
jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can remember
buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the auto
accessory stores started selling them.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 26/11/2021 9:36 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 12:50 am, Noddy wrote:

>>> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to Melbourne,
>>> the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous crowd.
>>> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
>>> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
>>> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing,
>>> unlikely it was anywhere near 100,000.
>>
>> Probably 30 thousand tops. The last protest footage I saw on TV was
>> the recent big one as they marched up Bourke St towards Parliament
>> house, and the video showed the protesters occupying just over 2
>> blocks in Bourke St. Nothing like 300 thousand people. 30 thousand was
>> probably pushing it :)
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME58KWG
>>
> 30,000 sounds possible, 300k is fantasy.

Ridiculously so.

Still, I'm not at all surprised that Felix got it so remarkably wrong,
as doing so seems to be about the only thing he ever manages to do
consistently :)

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On 26/11/2021 9:01 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 1:46 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 3:56 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 12:26 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie about
>>>>>>>>>> pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese is
>>>>>>>>> the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created thousands
>>>>>>>> of jobs for his union mates with so much road works its near
>>>>>>>> impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>
>>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff
>>>>> have been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and accosted
>>>>> by these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people aren't
>>>>> reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> most of the hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>>> illegitimate.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's true and most are probably peaceful.
>>> It's their democratic right to protest and as long as they do it
>>> peacefully and don't interfere with other people going about their
>>> business I don't have a problem with it.
>>
>>
>> and that's how it was
>>
>
> Quite a few ferals though, so not quite the picture you're trying to
> paint here either.

at the recent 'Kill the Bill' rallies there was no violence or property
damage, and no arrests. I remember a radio interview with a top cop
saying there were no arrests.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 26/11/2021 9:36 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 12:50 am, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 11:15 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 25/11/21 10:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>>> ROTFL :)
>>>>
>>>> Take a look at this footage here:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>>>>
>>>> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the
>>>> Beatles when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of
>>>> the recent city protests and you'll see that the Police
>>>> Commissioner has no idea when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>>>>
>>>>> Sounds too high,
>>>>
>>>> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner
>>>> would ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's
>>>> handling of the situation look exemplary :)
>>>
>>> I remember seeing the scenes on TV of the Beatles visit to
>>> Melbourne, the city came to a standstill and there was an enormous
>>> crowd.
>>> There was also enormous crowds at the anti Vietnam war protests in
>>> Melbourne, both of the above crowds were massive compared to recent
>>> protests, if the PC did say 300 thousand then he's fantasizing,
>>> unlikely it was anywhere near 100,000.
>>
>> Probably 30 thousand tops. The last protest footage I saw on TV was
>> the recent big one as they marched up Bourke St towards Parliament
>> house, and the video showed the protesters occupying just over 2
>> blocks in Bourke St. Nothing like 300 thousand people. 30 thousand
>> was probably pushing it :)
>>
>>> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME58KWG
>>
> 30,000 sounds possible, 300k is fantasy.
>
>

if you two idiots, dumb and dumber, didn't have ppl blocked you would
know what was being said about it and wouldn't need to speculate.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 26/11/2021 9:50 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 8:16 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 7:28 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 5:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as
>>>>>>>>> 'unlimited freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and
>>>>>>>>> government agencies (all levels) can refuse entry to people
>>>>>>>>> for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish
>>>>>>>>> idiots.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for
>>>>>>>> pregnant women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other
>>>>>>>> people
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by
>>>>>>> COVID-19 are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by
>>>>>>> the vaccine. ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant
>>>>>>> women be vaccinated. There are a handful of Youtubers who
>>>>>>> dispute the overwhelming medical evidence though.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything.
>>>>>
>>>>> **No, I'm not, but I am right about this.
>>>>>
>>>>>   my niece is trying
>>>>>> to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it. apparently
>>>>>> the vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>>>
>>>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a
>>>>> miscarriage. Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a
>>>>> properly conducted medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies,
>>>>> there was ZERO statistical increase in miscarriages amongst
>>>>> vaccinated women.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to
>>>>> some Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>>>
>>>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>>>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>>>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if
>>>> she wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason
>>>> not to trust your doctor.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> you and Trevor have no idea what information she has obtained or
>>> from where or what her doctor is telling her. only stupid ppl make
>>> assumptions and treat them as fact.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> **I only know that she is an utter fool. She has NOT looked at the
>> medical studies which show, conclusively, that COVID-19 vaccinations
>> are safe and that the COVID-19 virus is highly dangerous for mother
>> and foetus. I do not believe that ANY doctor, registered in
>> Australia, will have provided her with the clearly false information
>> that she has embraced.
>
> Agree, not a chance that any properly qualified medical doctor would
> advise against covid vaccination just because she was pregnant or
> looking to get pregnant.
> My wife was a little bit hesitant about being vaccinated until she
> visited her doctor who insisted she have it on the spot which she did.
> If people are nervous about getting vaccinated they should talk to
> their doctor, medical doctors are the only people who I would trust to
> give me such advice and I've not heard of any doctor being anti vax.
>
>
>

oh, that must make it fact then..

https://www.9news.com.au/videos/national/victoria-doctor-believed-to-be-giving-out-unjustified-covid-19-vaccine-exemptions/ckuqlrldq00090gnvl7a1wiq1

https://7news.com.au/lifestyle/vaccines/dr-mark-hobarts-sunshine-north-surgery-raided-by-victorias-department-of-health-amid-probe-into-fake-covid-19-vaccine-exemptions-c-4506923

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

>>>>
>>>>
>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>> gasping for breath.
>>
>>
>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>
>Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.

The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
for we fully insured people.

On 25/11/2021 7:48 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 10:11 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 4:42 pm, jonz wrote:
>>>>> On 11/25/2021 3:26 PM, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 1:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 6:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 12:14 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 8:54 am, Daryl wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/21 7:53 am, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 7:29 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> **I dunno about that. Whilst Albo is about as popular as a
>>>>>>>>>>>> Polly Waffle in a pool, Scummo has been revealed to lie
>>>>>>>>>>>> about pretty much everything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ROFTL :) You said that as if you genuinely believe Albanese
>>>>>>>>>>> is the slightest bit different :)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> For fuck's sake he's a politician. They *all* lie. It's as
>>>>>>>>>>> much a part of his job as Gillard proclaiming "There will be
>>>>>>>>>>> no carbon tax under any government I lead" was part of hers.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> "Its easy to tell when a politician is lying, its when their
>>>>>>>>>> lips are moving"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's a *policy approach* that would well apply to Darren. For
>>>>>>>>> sure, it's a safe approach to anything he say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The older I get the more cynical I get about all politicians,
>>>>>>>>>> they are all tarred with the same brush.
>>>>>>>>>> I don't disagree with why the protesters in Melbourne are
>>>>>>>>>> protesting and I don't think that its because they are anti
>>>>>>>>>> vax, its because Andrews is a disgusting arsehole but I do
>>>>>>>>>> disagree with their methods.
>>>>>>>>>> I also don't think that they are angry with Andrews just
>>>>>>>>>> because of the way he's handled Covid etc, he's fucking up the
>>>>>>>>>> entire state with everything he touches, he's created
>>>>>>>>>> thousands of jobs for his union mates with so much road works
>>>>>>>>>> its near impossible to go anywhere.
>>>>>>>>>> I was talking to truckie on Sat night and he has to start work
>>>>>>>>>> at 3.00am everyday just to get anything done, trips that used
>>>>>>>>>> to take 2hrs now take 4hrs so its no wonder people are pissed
>>>>>>>>>> off at Andrews.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Noisy fringe groups.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No they are not. Premier Mark McGowan, his family and his staff
>>>>>>> have been threatened with violence and he gets jumped and
>>>>>>> accosted by these dole bludgers everywhere he goes. These people
>>>>>>> aren't reasonable, and the worst of them are fucking rabid nutcases.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Protesting is everyones right but not how they go about it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> most of then hundred of thousands protesting in Victoria are just
>>>>>> ordinary family ppl. a few ratbags doesn't make their cause
>>>>>> illegitimate.
>>>>>
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> *Hundred of thousands*?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>>>>
>>> Sounds too high,
>
>
> here's some pics ..
> https://www.theage.com.au/national/victoria/in-pictures-melbournes-day-of-protest-over-pandemic-bill-20211120-h1zwaf.html
>
>
>

Predominantly fringe nutters by the looks of it. What a bunch of
clueless and ignorant morons.

On 26/11/21 9:45 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>
>>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a miscarriage.
>>>> Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a properly conducted
>>>> medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies, there was ZERO
>>>> statistical increase in miscarriages amongst vaccinated women.
>>>>
>>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to some
>>>> Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>>
>>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>>
>> That's because some people only believe what they *want* to be true.
>> They're usually the "askhole" type. Ask the same question over and
>> over until they get the answer they *want* to hear.
>>
>>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if she
>>> wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason not to
>>> trust your doctor.
>>
>> It's a perfectly healthy attitude to question what you are being told,
> Like questioning your claims of having certain qualifications you mean?
>
> You're not a trusted source after all, in fact you are a proven
> congenital liar.

I certainly developed a healthy attitude to questioning *every* single
thing Darren ever claimed. What's more, that cynicism proved to be 100%
spot on, all his claims turned out to be utter bullshit. Darren can only
be trusted to LIE.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 25/11/2021 7:35 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 8:37 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:16 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> that's what the Police Commissioner said on radio this morning. he
>>> estimated 300 thousand in the last rally
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> Take a look at this footage here:
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wyrs5uR-nwc
>
> That's 350 thousand people on the streets of Adelaide to see the Beatles
> when they toured here in 1964. Compare that to footage of the recent
> city protests and you'll see that the Police Commissioner has no idea
> when it comes to estimating crowd numbers.
>
>> Sounds too high,
>
> Ridiculously so, but then it's not like the Police Commissioner would
> ever be talking the numbers up to make his own force's handling of the
> situation look exemplary :)
>
>> but, obviously, every rat bag conspiracy theorist in Victoria was
>> there, there was even a guy with a "Vote Trump in 2020" flag.
>> Obviously he didn't realise that we wasn't in America and that it's 2021.
>
> Lol :)
>
> It would be interesting to determine how many were there out of a
> genuine sense of protest at the law and how many were just using it as
> an excuse to run rampant and didn't give a shit (or know) why they were
> there.
>
> I would think the latter would outnumber the former, and probably by
> some considerable margin.
>
>> In the Sydney rally there was a woman with a placard saying "The blood
>> of Jesus is my vaccine". Good luck with that, she may get to meet him
>> sooner than she thinks.
>
> Heh :)
>
> A very old friend of mine who I've known since we were school kids and
> who I love to death is a mad anti vaxxer. She's an amazingly wonderful
> woman who has the kindest heart, but she's as dumb as a bricklayer's
> trowel and has been since I've known her. She's had 8 lovely children
> who have all grown up to be wonderful adults and they were all
> vaccinated when they needed to be, but as far as this "Covid nonsense"
> goes she's been got at and turned by a few of her nutbag snowflake friends.
>
> I haven't seen her in years,

Someone you "love to death" yet haven't seen in years... but recently
enough that you know she believes it's "covid nonsense"?

What's that smell?

(and a conveniently invented "friend" of yours something you accuse
others of doing, even when you're given their phone number!)

On 26/11/21 7:35 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>
>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>>
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>> bullshit.
>
> Tell your story walking, Max.
>
>
Oh the irony!!! LOL

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 26/11/2021 11:51 am, Xeno wrote:
> On 26/11/21 9:45 am, Clocky wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 6:02 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 7:08 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/21 5:21 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>
>>>>> **Bullshit. Between 10 ~ 15% of pregnancies result in a
>>>>> miscarriage. Catching COVID-19 will INCREASE that figure. In a
>>>>> properly conducted medical study of more than 105,000 pregnancies,
>>>>> there was ZERO statistical increase in miscarriages amongst
>>>>> vaccinated women.
>>>>>
>>>>> Your niece is an idiot. Her "research" is likely restricted to
>>>>> some Youtube anti-vaxxer.
>>>>
>>>> Its bizarre that seemingly educated people form conclusions about
>>>> subjects after getting information from very dodgy sources.
>>>
>>> That's because some people only believe what they *want* to be true.
>>> They're usually the "askhole" type. Ask the same question over and
>>> over until they get the answer they *want* to hear.
>>>
>>>> Understandable that many people don't trust various Govt's but if
>>>> she wants medical advice why not just ask her doctor, zero reason
>>>> not to trust your doctor.
>>>
>>> It's a perfectly healthy attitude to question what you are being told,
>> Like questioning your claims of having certain qualifications you mean?
>>
>> You're not a trusted source after all, in fact you are a proven
>> congenital liar.
>
> I certainly developed a healthy attitude to questioning *every* single
> thing Darren ever claimed. What's more, that cynicism proved to be
> 100% spot on, all his claims turned out to be utter bullshit. Darren
> can only be trusted to LIE.
>

exactly. you can never believe anything he says unless there's some
corroborative evidence.

--
"A mans got to know his limitations"
- clint Eastwood as Dirty Harry

On 26/11/21 8:58 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 2:07 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 25/11/2021 4:01 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 25/11/2021 4:04 pm, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>> On 25/11/2021 3:19 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:48 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 10:37 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:49 am, Trevor Wilson wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 25/11/2021 9:21 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> the recent protests about the lockdowns and mandatory
>>>>>>>>> vaccinations are entirely justified and peaceful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **No, they are not.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes they are. we live in a free society.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **We do, with limitations. There is no such thing as 'unlimited
>>>>>> freedom' in ANY society. Private premises and government agencies
>>>>>> (all levels) can refuse entry to people for a range of reasons.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  some ppl have strong beliefs about vaccinations,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Sure. There are sensible, sane, intelligent people, who have
>>>>>> been vaccinated. The rest are thoughtless, ignorant, selfish idiots.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> IYNSHO. there are studies that show possible issues for pregnant
>>>>> women, or women wanting to become pregnant, and other people
>>>>
>>>> **Yeah, no, that's complete bullshit. The risks posed by COVID-19
>>>> are far, far greater than the minuscule risks posed by the vaccine.
>>>> ALL medical authorities recommend that pregnant women be vaccinated.
>>>> There are a handful of Youtubers who dispute the overwhelming
>>>> medical evidence though.
>>>
>>>
>>> fk u, you think you're always right about everything. my niece is
>>> trying to get pregnant, and she has studied a lot about it.
>>> apparently the vax has caused miscarriages.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  the issue is whether in a free democracy ppl should be
>>>>> discriminated against on medical grounds for employment and normal
>>>>> everyday activities like shopping and dining
>>>>
>>>> **Yes, they should. NO society is perfectly free. We all have
>>>> certain responsibilities to be part of society. If a person doesn't
>>>> want to be part of society, they can move.
>>>
>>>
>>> where to. Mars?
>>
>> There are plenty of places in the world where you can get away with
>> just about anything, but few people including anti-vaxxers would want
>> to live under those conditions. If you want to live in a particular
>> society, you conform to the conditions of that society.
>>
>>>>>>>>>  the CHO mandates rules without entire consideration of the
>>>>>>>>> implications and consequences
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> **Prove it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> really?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **Yeah, really. Prove it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  you haven't noticed all the anomalies and inequities and
>>>>>>> stupidities with the covid rules and even now that kids
>>>>>>> activities are being cancelled because of poorly thought out and
>>>>>>> implemented age and vax rules?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> no need to prove what is self evident to anyone with at least half
>>>>> a brain who has lived thru this pandemic in the Peoples Republic of
>>>>> Victoria
>>>>
>>>> **You still need to prove your claim.
>>>>
>>>
>>> so you think all the rules were fair and reasonable and no one was
>>> disadvantaged unnecessarily and everything was perfectly done?
>>>
>>>
>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>> gasping for breath.
>
>
> That's the core issue. I don't want to be that guy taking up a bed
> because of a selfish choice I made at the expense of someone who needs
> it and doesn't have a choice - who might die as a result.

Before I had my vax, I had to get a *clearance* from two doctors and two
specialists, especially given the *known* side effects of AZ. Once I had
that, jab away. 3rd primary tomorrow, a Pfizer, after the first two
which were AZ. Then I can book in a booster for 6 months hence.

Speaking of hospital beds being taken up by Covid victims, at the local
hospital there were no spare beds. And that was *before* any Covid
victims. A lot of hospitals have spare beds but no staff to man them -
which means they can't be used. Anti-Vaxers are more selfish than people
realise.
>
> Maybe anti-vaxxers should be made to sign waiver to hospitalisation due
> to COVID but they'll bang on about rights on that too, because all they
> care about is what they want, not what is best for the greater community.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 26/11/21 9:32 am, alvey wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 07:35:29 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>
>>>>> That's nothing. In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers. It got to the stage that
>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>> contents. This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>> turps.
>>>>
>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>>> bullshit.
>>
>> Tell your story walking, Max.
>
> How about you tell your stories with some proof Fraudster?
>
>
>
> alvey
>
He'd have to *invent* the proof, just like he *invents* his stories.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>
>>>
>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>
>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>
> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
> for we fully insured people.
>
https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty
of capacity to cater for non covid cases.
BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?

--
Daryl

On 26/11/21 12:13 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>
>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>
>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>> for we fully insured people.
>>
> https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
> In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
> 24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
> at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty

There is SFA *spare* bed capacity in Victorian public hospitals - and
that has been the situation for a very long time. Any active Covid
patient who require a bed will be dumping normal cases out of the beds.
That includes those requiring *elective* surgery.

> of capacity to cater for non covid cases.

What then is the talk of *elective surgery* being delayed because of
Covid demand in Victoria?

> BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?
>
People who *pay extra* for hospital care. You know, private medical
insurance. Well, maybe a piss poor businessman such as yourself cannot
afford such a luxury.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

Noddy wrote:
>On 26/11/2021 9:08 am, John_H wrote:
>> keithr0 wrote:
>>>
>>> I can remember my mother paying the milk bill and having to provide
>>> coupons to cover the amount of milk that we had consumed. Almost
>>> everything was rationed, the last items only came off in 1954. Petrol
>>> was almost impossible to come by for the average motorist.
>>
>> Rationing ended in 1950 following the 1949 election with petrol
>> rationing being the predominant election issue.
>>
>> The Chifley Labor Government intended maintaining it on economic
>> grounds. Pig Iron Bob campaigned on the promise of ending it which
>> easily won him the election. Labor stalwarts were still arguing
>> Chifley was right long after rationing ended.
>
>I really can't appreciate the logic behind rationing. I mean, it makes
>perfect sense during wartime when there are shortages and you need some
>sort of system in place to ensure everyone gets their share (although
>I'm sure the black market was pretty busy), but years after the war it
>makes little sense.

The purpose was to limit consumer spending. It's probably also
relevant that the great depression had barely ended when war broke
out, hence much of the population was already used to hardship (if
only because they could only afford to buy the bare necessities).
Keynesian economics never had many adherents in those days.

>I understand Consumerism causes problems in and of itself, which was no
>doubt one of the driving factors behind Menzies' credit squeeze in the
>early 1960's, but Labor's plan to keep everyone on rations long after
>the war had ended seemed pretty draconian to say the least.
>
>> AFAIK the only wartime measures Menzies retained were price control
>> (which included cars) and import restrictions (on economic grounds)
>> with the exception of crude oil.
>
>Up until the then Treasurer Harold Holt recommended a move to an
>unrestricted market which had consequences.

The main proponent of free trade at the time was Bert Kelly, Liberal
Member for Wakefield (SA). Not many on his side of politics agreed
with him, least of all Black Jack McEwen, who was deputy PM at the
time... which might help explain Holt's disappearance since Black Jack
became PM as a result. :)
It was Goof Whitlam who cut tariffs in a fit of pique which resulted
in a massive increase in the trade deficit. IIRC most of them were
subsequently reinstated

>> Australian based oil refineries were established around the same time
>> as petrol rationing ended.
>
>I can remember my old man telling me that he worked as a laborer at the
>Altona petrochem complex while they were building it years ago. It was
>constructed by Americans who bought all their own equipment out with
>them ranging from large earth moving gear, trucks and specialist
>machinery to hand tools and other goodies. They brought out
>*shit-tonnes* of gear as Americans usually do, and it was all written
>off into the contract price of building the complex. They weren't
>interested in taking it home as it would cost them too much money to
>ship it back home again and they couldn't sell it here without paying
>duty on it. They couldn't even give it away without the people receiving
>it having to pay tax on the "gift". So they simply dug a massive
>football field sized hole in the ground at the rear of the complex,
>pushed everything into it and buried the lot.
>
>Fucking madness, but that's the way shit worked back then and it still
>does to this day.

That surprises me as most of the heavy machinery available immediately
after WW2 was American equipment that had been used by their navy
seebees building wartime airfields in the south Pacific (ex WW2 D7
dozers used to be common) Heaps of American Lendlease trucks were
also sold here as war surplus.

>The old man said as the project was nearing completion it was common
>knowledge that the yanks were going to dispose of the tools and
>equipment, so people started binging in any old junk toolbox they could
>find and "swapping" them for whatever nice shiny American box full of
>tools they could get. Apparently the construction company's view at the
>time was as long as they had the correct number of toolboxes to throw
>into the hole while the government bean counter stood there and ticked
>them off on his clipboard they couldn't have cared less.

Can't say I've ever come across immediate post war American tools as
they were restricted imports, I think until well into the 60's. Pre
war tools, such as Herbrand, were highly valued and frequently copied
by Australian tool manufacturers after the war.

--
John H

On 26/11/2021 1:09 pm, John_H wrote:
> Noddy wrote:

>> I really can't appreciate the logic behind rationing. I mean, it makes
>> perfect sense during wartime when there are shortages and you need some
>> sort of system in place to ensure everyone gets their share (although
>> I'm sure the black market was pretty busy), but years after the war it
>> makes little sense.
>
> The purpose was to limit consumer spending.

Kind of a harsh way of doing it.

> It's probably also relevant that the great depression had barely ended when war broke
> out, hence much of the population was already used to hardship (if
> only because they could only afford to buy the bare necessities).

Fair point, but by 1950 the world was a different place.

> Keynesian economics never had many adherents in those days.

Apparently not :)

>> I understand Consumerism causes problems in and of itself, which was no
>> doubt one of the driving factors behind Menzies' credit squeeze in the
>> early 1960's, but Labor's plan to keep everyone on rations long after
>> the war had ended seemed pretty draconian to say the least.
>>
>>> AFAIK the only wartime measures Menzies retained were price control
>>> (which included cars) and import restrictions (on economic grounds)
>>> with the exception of crude oil.
>>
>> Up until the then Treasurer Harold Holt recommended a move to an
>> unrestricted market which had consequences.
>
> The main proponent of free trade at the time was Bert Kelly, Liberal
> Member for Wakefield (SA). Not many on his side of politics agreed
> with him, least of all Black Jack McEwen, who was deputy PM at the
> time... which might help explain Holt's disappearance since Black Jack
> became PM as a result. :)

Lol :)

> It was Goof Whitlam who cut tariffs in a fit of pique which resulted
> in a massive increase in the trade deficit. IIRC most of them were
> subsequently reinstated

I believe so.

>>> Australian based oil refineries were established around the same time
>>> as petrol rationing ended.
>>
>> I can remember my old man telling me that he worked as a laborer at the
>> Altona petrochem complex while they were building it years ago. It was
>> constructed by Americans who bought all their own equipment out with
>> them ranging from large earth moving gear, trucks and specialist
>> machinery to hand tools and other goodies. They brought out
>> *shit-tonnes* of gear as Americans usually do, and it was all written
>> off into the contract price of building the complex. They weren't
>> interested in taking it home as it would cost them too much money to
>> ship it back home again and they couldn't sell it here without paying
>> duty on it. They couldn't even give it away without the people receiving
>> it having to pay tax on the "gift". So they simply dug a massive
>> football field sized hole in the ground at the rear of the complex,
>> pushed everything into it and buried the lot.
>>
>> Fucking madness, but that's the way shit worked back then and it still
>> does to this day.
>
> That surprises me as most of the heavy machinery available immediately
> after WW2 was American equipment that had been used by their navy
> seebees building wartime airfields in the south Pacific (ex WW2 D7
> dozers used to be common) Heaps of American Lendlease trucks were
> also sold here as war surplus.

It may have been different if it was Australian government stock (as in
Lend Lease) rather than that owned by a private foreign company.

I know there was a heavy transport trailer business in the immediate
post war period that made a fortune out of ex military gear. Could have
been Loadmaster, but I can't remember.

>> The old man said as the project was nearing completion it was common
>> knowledge that the yanks were going to dispose of the tools and
>> equipment, so people started binging in any old junk toolbox they could
>> find and "swapping" them for whatever nice shiny American box full of
>> tools they could get. Apparently the construction company's view at the
>> time was as long as they had the correct number of toolboxes to throw
>> into the hole while the government bean counter stood there and ticked
>> them off on his clipboard they couldn't have cared less.
>
> Can't say I've ever come across immediate post war American tools as
> they were restricted imports, I think until well into the 60's.

Very well into the 1960's. And not just tools.

At the time being the "Commonwealth of Australia" meant that any
imported goods coming in from non Commonwealth countries were heavily
taxed and to the point where it made things so ridiculously expensive
that it was just wasn't worth the trouble to do so. But there were ways
around it.

For example, Ford Australia used a lot of American sourced parts in the
make-up of their local "Australian" models, and to get around the
problem of American sourced items being taxed to death Ford in the US
would ship the parts to Canada where they could be dispatched from a
"Commonwealth Country" and not incur heavy tax penalties for coming from
the US directly.

They did this with vehicles as well as parts. Every locally made Ford V8
had it's engine come in this way until local V8 production started here
in 1972. Similarly, Cars and trucks not made here but imported for sale
here were handled in the same way. My F-100 was built in November of
1956 in the Louisville Kentucky assembly plants as a right hand drive
"export" model, but it was rail freighted to Canada before it was handed
over to Ford's Canadian arm before being put on the boat and sent here.

> Pre war tools, such as Herbrand, were highly valued and frequently copied
> by Australian tool manufacturers after the war.

Most of the stuff I saw was English. Particularly machine tools.

--
--
--
Regards,
Noddy.

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 12:13:18 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
wrote:

>On 26/11/21 11:35 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> If I have a heart attack I will be most pissed off (or my dependents
>>>>> will be) if I can't get into the ICU because it's full of anti-vaxxers
>>>>> gasping for breath.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> there aren't many unvaccinated ppl now
>>>
>>> Over 70% of people in ICU because of COVID are unvaccinated.
>>
>> The true horror is how the wards are filling up, leaving little space
>> for we fully insured people.
>>
>https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/victorian-coronavirus-covid-19-data
>In Vic the number of active cases peaked about a month ago at approx
>24,000, since then the number of active cases is about half of the peak
>at approx 10,000 so the wards are actually emptying and there is plenty
>of capacity to cater for non covid cases.

>BTW what does "we fully insured people" mean?

People with comprehensive medical insurance.

On 26/11/2021 8:55 am, Clocky wrote:
> On 25/11/2021 6:25 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 14:55:11 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 24/11/21 8:56 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 24 Nov 2021 08:48:23 +1100, Daryl <dwalford@westpine.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 24/11/21 7:30 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>>>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>>>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>>>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>>>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>>>>>> turps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, it's true.
>>>>>
>>>>> When and where was this?
>>>>>
>>>>>    For a time there was no petrol to be had.
>>>>>
>>>>> There were tanker driver strikes and petrol shortages in roughly
>>>>> the mid
>>>>> 70's in Victoria.
>>>>>
>>>>>     We were
>>>>>> making paint and had stocks of solvents.   Mainly Turps with a bit of
>>>>>> lighter fluid to guarantee starting from cold.   Though there was
>>>>>> lots
>>>>>> of pre ignition if the accelerator was leaned on.   Sadly we had no
>>>>>> tetraethyl lead.
>>>>>
>>>>> I know there were petrol shortages but I find it difficult to believe
>>>>> people were that desperate that they would risk severe engine
>>>>> damage by
>>>>> putting what you describe in their fuel tanks, I would also
>>>>> struggle to
>>>>> believe that an engine would even run on that mixture.
>>>>
>>>> It was a Holden 173-engine ute.  Rather a basic engine
>>>
>>> Which is irrelevant.
>>> Doesn't matter what engine, its a very bad idea to run it on the mix you
>>> described if it would run at all.
>>
>> We had fun in the old days (now sadly departed) running an old motor
>> mower on fuel mixes.  We removed the muffler and fed the thing petrol
>> mixtures of trichloroethylene, benzene, sump oil, metho, paint etc
>> etc.
>> The idea was to get multi-coloured flames blasting out of the exhaust.
>> The old banger performed surprisingly well with all the abuse.
>>
>
>
> Content creators on youtube are doing such fun stuff to make money these
> days.
>
That is probably why there are channels pandering to the conspiracy mob,
just a way to make a buck out of the idiots.

On 26/11/2021 9:45 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 26/11/2021 7:16 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 Nov 2021 13:19:37 +1100, Noddy <me@home.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 23/11/2021 8:43 am, Peter Jason wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 22 Nov 2021 14:33:39 +1000, keithr0 <user@account.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> One dollar fucking 93!
>>>> That's nothing.  In the bad old days the unions (tanker drivers)
>>>> refused to deliver fuel to the bowsers.  It got to the stage that
>>>> thieves were drilling into cars' fuel tanks and siphoning out the
>>>> contents.  This poster was reduced to running on lighter fluid and
>>>> turps.
>>> What a load of ridiculous bullshit :)
>> Of course I defer to your knowledge & experience of all sorts of
>> bullshit.
>
> lol! petrol theft was certainly a thing way back when, in the days when
> cars didn't have petrol caps with locks on them. thieves with a hose and
> jerry can would siphon it out of parked cars at night. I can remember
> buying a petrol cap with a key lock to prevent it when the auto
> accessory stores started selling them.
>
In the US a petrol can and a length of hose is know as an Alabama credit
card.