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From: xenol...@optusnet.com.au (Xeno)
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Subject: Re: OT: there's some mindless cretins in the world, then there's
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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:00 UTC

On 11/1/22 6:45 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:59:55 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>
>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he himself.
>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is not in
>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the guilty.. <G>
>>
>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't matter
>> how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is incapable of
>> understanding it. Look at how much of an utter fucktard he made of
>> himself over the snake killing debate?
>>
>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>
> Der Der's comprehension problem strikes again!
>
> It's the *top* 1% that Law takes Der Der. Not your end of the table...
>
You have that somewhat wrong. It is the top 2% of those who *pass*
appropriate subjects at VCE/Matriculation level that are taken. Darren
is miles short of the bottom 2% of that group - he didn't even make the
grade at year 9. He failed that exam by *running away*. See a pattern here?
>
>
> alvey
> Chuckling somewhat hysterically at the thought of Fraudster LLB.
>

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:03 UTC

On 11/1/22 6:33 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 11:27 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 11/01/2022 2:16 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/1/22 1:20 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 11/01/2022 12:30 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Sunday, 9 January 2022 at 16:53:27 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> yes but ppl want them where they put them, not for them to be posted
>>>>>> elsewhere to identify someone. and if you think otherwise, you
>>>>>> must be
>>>>>> ok with parents kiddy snaps being copied and posted on child porno
>>>>>> sites.
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>>>> Really?, I have to ask how *you* would know such things?. From what
>>>>> you`ve said you apparently have *seen*  such child porno sites??.
>>>>> Hmmmmm.
>>>>
>>>> He likes to call people "pedophiles", so maybe there's a bit of
>>>> projection going on there.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Nope, just reacting to the *image* you project here when posting
>>> about 10 year olds and sand up little girl's vaginas. You are the one
>>> with the fetish, not felix.
>>>
>>
>> +1. and not to mention his anal fetish also. disgusting creature it is.
>>
>>
>
>
> Yet the faux outrage and threats of legal action over a link to some
> horse porn or whatever it was... and it turns out I was 100% correct on
> the law and he was 100% wrong.
>
> The fucking glass jawed idiot :-)
>
>
>
Speaking of legal action, notice how Darren *supposedly* closed his
*business* recently. That was, no doubt, due to the fact that he learnt
here that he had been making *fraudulent claims* of qualifications
pertinent to that business, including membership of the VACC. That
leaves him wide open to legal action. I wonder if the VACC are looking
into his activities? They are interested in getting fakers out of the
trade. And he did make some very fraudulent claims.

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Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: jonz@ nothere.com - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:03 UTC

On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 13:50:14 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
> On 10/1/22 1:14 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
> >
> > All I ever objected to was his nonsensical claim that he taught "shop"
> > at Richmond tech, as I know for a *fact* that he never did and no "piece
> > of paper" he has will ever prove that :)
> Ah Darren but I did teach *prac* (and theory) at Richmond and it wasn't
> proven with a *piece of paper*. That's a wrong guess by you right there.
> I taught at Richmond for 16 of my 20 years in education, the remainder
> at Sunshine Tech in the TAFE wing. You, on the other hand, have never
> seen the inside of an apprentice classroom, ever.
>
> So, how do you *know for a fact*???? Seems to me like your delusions are
> getting really bad of late. You should seek help. Start here;
>
> https://bacchusmarshpsychologyclinic.com.au/contact
> >
> >
> > Relevance deprivation eats at this fuckwit like a cancer. How else could
> > you explain anyone claiming to be "extremely relevant" to a trade
> > they've not had the slightest involvement with in close to 30 years?

> Darren, you've *never* been relevant to the automotive trade
> and you proved it by inventing trade qualifications you have *never
> possessed*. That's your inferiority complex driving your actions there.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
thirty years (30) yer a has been. (Or, never was, take yer pick.)
Theres *definitely* psych issues here. yours!.

Still got the cars kryppy???? Gunna tell??.
> >
> > It's delusional, and bordering on certifiably insane.
> Your delusions certainly are.
> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Clocky - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:03 UTC

On 11/01/2022 3:43 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/1/22 6:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/01/2022 2:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he himself.
>>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is not in
>>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the
>>>> guilty.. <G>
>>>
>>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't
>>> matter how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is
>>> incapable of understanding it. Look at how much of an utter fucktard
>>> he made of himself over the snake killing debate?
>>>
>>
>> You broke the law plain as day.
>>
>>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>>>
>>
>> Nobody can afford to lose, that's why you consult a real one :-)
>>
> You're not wrong. Taking on a fake lawyer could work out ridiculously
> expensive. Fake lawyers have no training, no qualifications and no
> experience. Hmmm, just like Darren in automotive.
>

Fake mechanics can cost you a lot of money with no result too... for
instance a "race" engine that implodes before the car completed a lap.

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 by: Clocky - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:22 UTC

On 10/01/2022 6:38 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 10/01/2022 7:09 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 10/01/2022 3:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> hey jonzie instead of sucking up to your hero with the intensity of a
>>> thousand vacuum cleaners, I suggest you ask him how he knows 'for a
>>> fact' Xeno never taught at Richmond Tech? oh sorry, I forgot you
>>> don't care about lies anymore since you joined the dark side..
>>
>> ROTFL, from the guy spending his days sucking up to alvey, xeno, and
>> clocky.
>
> Felix is pretty stupid :)
>

Not stupid enough to accept your word on face value however.

> It's pretty easy Fetid. I was there, and Clasener wasn't. It's that
> simple :)
>
>
>

Prove it.

He can and has... in *abundance*.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:35 UTC

On 11/1/22 7:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 3:43 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/1/22 6:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2022 2:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he himself.
>>>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is not in
>>>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the
>>>>> guilty.. <G>
>>>>
>>>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't
>>>> matter how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is
>>>> incapable of understanding it. Look at how much of an utter fucktard
>>>> he made of himself over the snake killing debate?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You broke the law plain as day.
>>>
>>>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody can afford to lose, that's why you consult a real one :-)
>>>
>> You're not wrong. Taking on a fake lawyer could work out ridiculously
>> expensive. Fake lawyers have no training, no qualifications and no
>> experience. Hmmm, just like Darren in automotive.
>>
>
>
> Fake mechanics can cost you a lot of money with no result too... for
> instance a "race" engine that implodes before the car completed a lap.
>
>
Yeah. Didn't understand the concept of valve *float* and valve
*overshoot*, both circumstances that can lead to valve impact if
insufficient clearance is allowed - and a thinner shim head gasket will
take that clearance down by a *lot*. I didn't expect Darren to be able
to do it but I did expect Daryl to know how it's done. He is
*supposedly* qualified after all. Too much time pushing a broom I guess.
Checking piston to valve clearance isn't rocket science by any means and
there's plenty of info on the net for the uninitiated. But to fit a
thinner head gasket and *not* check the clearance, that's nothing short
of *criminal*.
The funny thing is, I was expecting it to be a more esoteric cause, lean
combustion, injectors at 100% duty cycle or MAF sensor pinning. I was
overthinking it and not making sufficient allowance for the two clowns
who were working on the 4AGE(20). I trust Les has learnt his lesson.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 08:51 UTC

On 11/01/2022 6:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/1/22 7:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>> On 11/01/2022 3:43 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/1/22 6:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he
>>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is
>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>>>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the
>>>>>> guilty.. <G>
>>>>>
>>>>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't
>>>>> matter how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is
>>>>> incapable of understanding it. Look at how much of an utter
>>>>> fucktard he made of himself over the snake killing debate?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You broke the law plain as day.
>>>>
>>>>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Nobody can afford to lose, that's why you consult a real one :-)
>>>>
>>> You're not wrong. Taking on a fake lawyer could work out ridiculously
>>> expensive. Fake lawyers have no training, no qualifications and no
>>> experience. Hmmm, just like Darren in automotive.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Fake mechanics can cost you a lot of money with no result too... for
>> instance a "race" engine that implodes before the car completed a lap.
>>
>>
> Yeah. Didn't understand the concept of valve *float* and valve
> *overshoot*, both circumstances that can lead to valve impact if
> insufficient clearance is allowed - and a thinner shim head gasket will
> take that clearance down by a *lot*. I didn't expect Darren to be able
> to do it but I did expect Daryl to know how it's done. He is
> *supposedly* qualified after all. Too much time pushing a broom I guess.
> Checking piston to valve clearance isn't rocket science by any means and
> there's plenty of info on the net for the uninitiated. But to fit a
> thinner head gasket and *not* check the clearance, that's nothing short
> of *criminal*.
> The funny thing is, I was expecting it to be a more esoteric cause, lean
> combustion, injectors at 100% duty cycle or MAF sensor pinning. I was
> overthinking it and not making sufficient allowance for the two clowns
> who were working on the 4AGE(20). I trust Les has learnt his lesson.
>
So it's his fault the engine failed even though he advised Les that
there were serious issues with the engine and failure was likely. I'm
guessing Les wanted to compete and went with the motor anyway as
availability of a replacement motor in a limited timeframe may have been
an issue.

Wouldn't be the first time someone has failed to take advice and it's
cost them dearly.

You really need to get over your obsession with abusing Noddy. You're
not perfect yourself and anyone who saw the tractor split would agree.

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:20 UTC

On 11/01/2022 12:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 10/01/2022 10:48 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 10/01/2022 2:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2022 2:58 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm an arsehole
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ok
>>>
>> I see what you did there felix, very clever and witty too clap clap clap.
>>
>> Alvey will have to watch out, if you keep this standard of work up, he
>> may become surplus to requirements.
>
>
> I'm not as clever as he
>
>
You're not even as clever as alvey? You poor thing, you must be the
weakest link.

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 by: keithr0 - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:25 UTC

On 11/01/2022 6:29 am, alvey wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:59:31 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>
>
> Anyone watch the last session of the SCG Test?
>
> If you thought it was tense, spare a thought for those of us who'd put
> their money on a draw. "Could I have another bourbon and beta blocker
> thanks?"

Not a single fuck was given around here.

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 09:34 UTC

On 11/01/2022 8:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 12:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 10/01/2022 10:48 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2022 2:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2022 2:58 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an arsehole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok
>>>>
>>> I see what you did there felix, very clever and witty too clap clap
>>> clap.
>>>
>>> Alvey will have to watch out, if you keep this standard of work up,
>>> he may become surplus to requirements.
>>
>>
>> I'm not as clever as he
>>
>>
> You're not even as clever as alvey? You poor thing, you must be the
> weakest link.

ROTFL :)

Imagine actually admitting that you're not as clever as one of the
dumbest noise making shitbags this group has ever seen?

At least Felix is aware of his limitations :)

--
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Regards,
Noddy.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:10 UTC

On 11/1/22 7:51 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 6:35 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/1/22 7:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2022 3:43 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>> On 11/1/22 6:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he
>>>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is
>>>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>>>>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the
>>>>>>> guilty.. <G>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't
>>>>>> matter how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is
>>>>>> incapable of understanding it. Look at how much of an utter
>>>>>> fucktard he made of himself over the snake killing debate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You broke the law plain as day.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Nobody can afford to lose, that's why you consult a real one :-)
>>>>>
>>>> You're not wrong. Taking on a fake lawyer could work out
>>>> ridiculously expensive. Fake lawyers have no training, no
>>>> qualifications and no experience. Hmmm, just like Darren in automotive.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Fake mechanics can cost you a lot of money with no result too... for
>>> instance a "race" engine that implodes before the car completed a lap.
>>>
>>>
>> Yeah. Didn't understand the concept of valve *float* and valve
>> *overshoot*, both circumstances that can lead to valve impact if
>> insufficient clearance is allowed - and a thinner shim head gasket
>> will take that clearance down by a *lot*. I didn't expect Darren to be
>> able to do it but I did expect Daryl to know how it's done. He is
>> *supposedly* qualified after all. Too much time pushing a broom I
>> guess. Checking piston to valve clearance isn't rocket science by any
>> means and there's plenty of info on the net for the uninitiated. But
>> to fit a thinner head gasket and *not* check the clearance, that's
>> nothing short of *criminal*.
>> The funny thing is, I was expecting it to be a more esoteric cause,
>> lean combustion, injectors at 100% duty cycle or MAF sensor pinning. I
>> was overthinking it and not making sufficient allowance for the two
>> clowns who were working on the 4AGE(20). I trust Les has learnt his
>> lesson.
>>
> So it's his fault the engine failed even though he advised Les that

Yes, Darren was the *builder*, he assumes *all* responsibility.

> there were serious issues with the engine and failure was likely. I'm

Failure was *guaranteed* because Dumb and Dumber were working on it.

> guessing Les wanted to compete and went with the motor anyway as
> availability of a replacement motor in a limited timeframe may have been
> an issue.

If the build was suspect, and the owner pushy, a real mechanic wouldn't
have done the job. Or would have done it *correctly*. As it was, all
that was needed was a simple check of piston to valve clearance, an
*essential check* it has to be said, given the modification being
carried out, and they would have known whether to proceed with the build
or not. Not enough clearance - *STOP* right there, the future is clear.

https://www.motortrend.com/how-to/measure-piston-valve-clearance-clay?galleryimageid=98a83444-6194-4cf6-9d18-dcfd93e7865c

From the link;
In an engine, the relationship between the valves and the pistons
is a precarious one. If there is too little space, they can
collide. If this happens, the resulting carnage require replacing
one of the valves, guides, or pistons. At a maximum, it
necessitates a complete engine rebuild. Nobody wants to pick
chunks of steel and aluminum out of an oil pan.
Proper piston-to-valve clearance is especially critical in
applications with high-compression pistons, large-duration cams,
and high rpm. For these reasons, it's imperative to check
piston-to-valve clearance whenever an engine is built, or either
the cylinder heads or valvetrain are changed. Checking this
all-important clearance is not difficult and can pay huge
dividends in durability. The shortest route to disaster is
assuming everything is OK.

The 4AGE(20) - *high* compression, *large duration* cam and *high* RPM.
There's your *recipe for disaster* right there. Risk factors *built in
at the factory. And then they reduce the clearance by using a *thinner*
head gasket. FFS, it would have had *minimal clearance *as standard*
since it is a high performance engine. What does *imperative* mean
Grumpy? The dictionary states

"imperative;
of vital importance; crucial, an essential or urgent thing"

Tell me Grumpy, just what do those words mean to you? You must be in a
parallel universe if it doesn't mean to you what it means to me

- *do the check regardless*

The above link says its imperative to check the piston to valve
clearance. That's *unmistakable* and totally *unambiguous* and Les'
engine is the perfect example of why that is so. When did it blow? At
high RPM on a *downhill* run on Conrod Straight at Bathurst, a site
notorious for engine blow ups. That engine did *exactly* what I would
have expected, nay, predicted it to do under the circumstances - no ifs,
no buts, no bullshit.

As standard, the 4AGE(20) runs minimal clearances, it's a high
performance 5 valve engine, FFS. That the check wasn't performed is
*criminal*. Wanton negligence is the best way to describe Darren's
performance on that engine and Daryl's performance was worse - he
*should* have known better given he is *supposedly* a qualified mechanic.
>
> Wouldn't be the first time someone has failed to take advice and it's
> cost them dearly.

What it has done is cost Darren any reputation he had - fake or
otherwise. Ditto for Daryl. Somehow, "Dumb and Dumber" just doesn't seem
to cut it when describing these two clowns.
>
> You really need to get over your obsession with abusing Noddy. You're
> not perfect yourself and anyone who saw the tractor split would agree.

That tractor is working the fields to this day and has not missed a beat
since. I took extra precautions (I mentioned that) and it's not like
anyone was likely to be *under* either the engine or gearbox. Unlike the
situation when Dumb and Dumber were trying to put the Lotus Elise on the
hoist mistakenly using side jacking points instead of the correct *hoist
points*. Had they lifted it, there would likely have been a fatality in
the *Clowns R Us* workshop at Merrimu Mesa. Darren's own words condemned
him there.

All Les' engine build did was to confirm beyond any reasonable doubt
that Darren, as a mechanic, is utterly incompetent and you simply cannot
make excuses for him. Doing the check is an *imperative* if you're going
ahead with the build - and Darren eschewed the proper course of action.
Daryl was worse, IMNSHO, because he *admitted* that he *couldn't* do the
check but the build appeared to be Darren's remit. As I said, Dumb and
Dumber just doesn't cut the mustard in describing these two clowns. When
Darren harps on about *trade experience* and trade *relevance*, it would
serve you well to remember how much of both was shown on Les' engine
build. Sheer incompetence from go to whoa.

The motor trade had a real win when it initiated an entry level into
apprenticeships since it kept cockheads like Darren on the outer. It had
another win when Daryl left and became a cleaner, something more
befitting his *level of competence*. What they did was akin to what the
beaters did to your Subaru. Their motivations however were likely
fiscal, Darren's motivations were driven by incompetence, pure and
simple. He hadn't been trained, he lacked the requisite experience and
he was incompetent. He proved it beyond any shadow of doubt that day.

--
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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 10:13 UTC

On 11/1/22 8:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 8:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>> On 11/01/2022 12:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2022 10:48 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2022 2:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/01/2022 2:58 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm an arsehole
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok
>>>>>
>>>> I see what you did there felix, very clever and witty too clap clap
>>>> clap.
>>>>
>>>> Alvey will have to watch out, if you keep this standard of work up,
>>>> he may become surplus to requirements.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not as clever as he
>>>
>>>
>> You're not even as clever as alvey? You poor thing, you must be the
>> weakest link.
>
> ROTFL :)
>
> Imagine actually admitting that you're not as clever as one of the
> dumbest noise making shitbags this group has ever seen?

What? You are the dumbest noisemaking shitbag this group has ever seen.
No one can hod a candle to you in that regard. And no one would want to.
>
> At least Felix is aware of his limitations :)
>
Alas, you aren't - and therein hangs a tale.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:23 UTC

On 11/01/2022 8:10 pm, Xeno wrote:

Nothing that was worthwhile reading.

You just don't get it xeno. Nobody gives a toss about your obsession.
Build a bridge.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:28 UTC

On 11/1/22 11:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 8:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>
> Nothing that was worthwhile reading.
>
> You just don't get it xeno. Nobody gives a toss about your obsession.
> Build a bridge.
>

Your problem is that you don't understand what Darren did, or in this
case, didn't do. Learn one thing from my writings - don't defend the
indefensible because that is exactly what you were doing. Your car was
repaired by a bunch of incompetents, you saw the outcome. Les' car was
worked on by a pair of incompetents, Les saw the outcome. Both outcomes
weren't good by any stretch of the imagination. You at least had some
redress with your issue. Les did not as Darren fobbed him of with the
excuse it was a faulty valve. Les ended up with a totalled engine.

Stick to networking, that's your field, motor mechanics is mine.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:31 UTC

On 11/01/2022 2:46 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 at 01:08:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 10/01/2022 8:55 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2022 5:09 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2022 3:03 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>>> On 10/01/2022 2:22 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>>>> Or have a clue either way, and Felix is the last person who should
>>>>>> be commenting about this as he's guilty himself of using other
>>>>>> people's photos for his own advantage.
>>>>>
>>>>> who's photos have I used for my own advantage? put up or shut up.
>>> ROTFL :) This bloke *surely* can't be this stupid by accident :)
>>>
>>>> I seem to recall having you issued with a takedown notice for a photo
>>>> you took of mine and posted on your own website. Remember that?
>>> Yep. That's what I was thinking of, and there were also the photos I
>>> put up of the trailer I built (you know, the one Clasner claimed that
>>> someone else built and just dragged over to my place for me to weld a
>>> couple of brackets on so I could brag about it in here), that Felix
>>> helped himself to by posting to some hosting site.
>> the way you posted them ppl had to clik each one, and they loaded
>> slowly, as some complained. I put them all on one page, and as I recall
>> at least one person was appreciative. I think it was fred. but you being
>> the mental retard that you are, couldn't fathom that that was a good
>> thing. doing something nice for your fellow man is never in your agenda,
>> or what passes for your mind.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```
> Diddums want a hanky?.... <G>
>
>

jonzie we're all well aware now that you're a moron and a dickhead, so
you don't need to keep proving it. I didn't always think so, just that
you were, well, a bit strange, but the evidence is now conclusive. how
was it that someone here described you? oh yes.. as 'the village idiot'.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:36 UTC

On 11/01/2022 5:56 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 2:46 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 at 01:08:47 UTC+11, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>
>>> the way you posted them ppl had to clik each one, and they loaded
>>> slowly, as some complained. I put them all on one page, and as I recall
>>> at least one person was appreciative. I think it was fred. but you
>>> being
>>> the mental retard that you are, couldn't fathom that that was a good
>>> thing. doing something nice for your fellow man is never in your
>>> agenda,
>>> or what passes for your mind.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~```
>> Diddums want a hanky?.... <G>
>
> Felix, you're a fucking idiot. If I *wanted* that done I'm more than
> capable of doing it myself.

I doubt that very much. or perhaps you could point me to some websites
you've created, or some domain that you own?

> I don't need a retard the likes of you to "help" me. Quite simply, how
> & where I posted them was none of your business, and it wasn't your
> job to correct it.
>
> Glad to have jogged your memory, but you need to appreciate that not
> everyone wants you to do them "favours".
>
>

I wasn't doing YOU a favor, I was doing the ppl here a favor, you
fucking moron.

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:38 UTC

On 11/01/2022 1:58 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/1/22 7:02 am, alvey wrote:
>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 21:38:38 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/01/2022 7:09 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2022 3:14 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>
>>>>> hey jonzie instead of sucking up to your hero with the intensity of a
>>>>> thousand vacuum cleaners, I suggest you ask him how he knows 'for a
>>>>> fact' Xeno never taught at Richmond Tech? oh sorry, I forgot you
>>>>> don't
>>>>> care about lies anymore since you joined the dark side..
>>>>
>>>> ROTFL, from the guy spending his days sucking up to alvey, xeno, and
>>>> clocky.
>>>
>>> Felix is pretty stupid :)
>>>
>>> It's pretty easy Fetid. I was there, and Clasener wasn't. It's that
>>> simple :)
>>
>> Bad news Fraudster. The reality is that we're years past your claims
>> having
>> any credibility. He has proof, you don't. "It's that simple".
>>
>>
>>
>> alvey
>>
> Have to give Darren one point, he didn't say what or where *there* is.
> Such vagueness is a hallmark of his.
>
> Let's clarify it for him.
>
> Darren was lying about doing it (an apprenticeship, working in the
> trade) and I was doing it (apprenticeship completed, trade experience
> amassed) and it was the depth and breadth of my post apprenticeship
> training and experience that permitted me to be employed as an
> automotive teacher. Normally requires advance trade at technician
> level for entry. You know, what is regarded as Cert 4 these days.
>
> And I provided proof - though not to Darren given what he threatened
> to do with it. Remember what he said - he would have put it *all
> around the internet* and the poor little troll is worried about
> someone (re)posting *his* precious pics. Darren seems to believe that
> the rules he applies to others don't apply to him.
>

ya gotta larf..

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:41 UTC

On 11/01/2022 6:17 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 at 14:03:19 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/1/22 7:29 am, alvey wrote:
>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:59:31 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Anyone watch the last session of the SCG Test?
>>>
>>> If you thought it was tense, spare a thought for those of us who'd put
>>> their money on a draw. "Could I have another bourbon and beta blocker
>>> thanks?"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> alvey
>> Watched it, saw the Pom's strategy - block everything, no wild risks of
>> getting out. After that finish, my wife's become a bit of a cricket
>> tragic. She watched as much of the cricket as she watched of the tennis.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> It was (in the main) a dismal debacle. Not surprised yer cook liked it.
> After all, a dismal debacle is what she is used to.
>

you don't even have a cook so stfu

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:43 UTC

On 11/01/2022 6:45 pm, alvey wrote:
> On Tue, 11 Jan 2022 17:59:55 +1100, Noddy wrote:
>
>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he himself.
>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is not in
>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the guilty.. <G>
>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't matter
>> how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is incapable of
>> understanding it. Look at how much of an utter fucktard he made of
>> himself over the snake killing debate?
>>
>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
> Der Der's comprehension problem strikes again!
>
> It's the *top* 1% that Law takes Der Der. Not your end of the table...
>
>
>
> alvey
> Chuckling somewhat hysterically at the thought of Fraudster LLB.
>

Noddy's legal service, lol

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:45 UTC

On 11/01/2022 7:03 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 3:43 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/1/22 6:28 pm, Clocky wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2022 2:59 pm, Noddy wrote:
>>>> On 11/01/2022 2:39 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, 10 January 2022 at 23:04:20 UTC+11, Clocky wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> Jerky's details were made public *here* in this group by he
>>>>>>> himself.
>>>>>>> Repeating what he himself has already posted in this group is
>>>>>>> not in
>>>>>>> breach of any law.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> There is a reason I don't consult you over legal matters.
>>>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~``
>>>>> You are in need of a criminal lawyer. They excel at springing the
>>>>> guilty.. <G>
>>>>
>>>> No one would bother "consulting" with the fucktard, as it doesn't
>>>> matter how plainly the law is laid out in front of him he is
>>>> incapable of understanding it. Look at how much of an utter
>>>> fucktard he made of himself over the snake killing debate?
>>>>
>>>
>>> You broke the law plain as day.
>>>
>>>> Besides, if I practiced law he couldn't afford me :)
>>>>
>>>
>>> Nobody can afford to lose, that's why you consult a real one :-)
>>>
>> You're not wrong. Taking on a fake lawyer could work out ridiculously
>> expensive. Fake lawyers have no training, no qualifications and no
>> experience. Hmmm, just like Darren in automotive.
>>
>
>
> Fake mechanics can cost you a lot of money with no result too... for
> instance a "race" engine that implodes before the car completed a lap.
>
>

or for instance welding a Magna's rusty muffler for $100, that a
legitimate tradesman fixed for free with some gunk

--
"his opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

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 by: Yosemite Sam - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 12:48 UTC

On 11/01/2022 8:20 pm, keithr0 wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 12:19 am, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>> On 10/01/2022 10:48 pm, keithr0 wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2022 2:59 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
>>>> On 10/01/2022 2:58 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm an arsehole
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Ok
>>>>
>>> I see what you did there felix, very clever and witty too clap clap
>>> clap.
>>>
>>> Alvey will have to watch out, if you keep this standard of work up,
>>> he may become surplus to requirements.
>>
>>
>> I'm not as clever as he
>>
>>
> You're not even as clever as alvey?

yes, I'm just being honest

> You poor thing, you must be the weakest link.

I wouldn't wish to usurp your title

--
"his opinions have been crushed into insignificant dust by
the enormous weight of his lies"- Alvey on the Fraudster

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 by: Grumpy Tech - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:04 UTC

On 11/01/2022 10:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
> On 11/1/22 11:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>> On 11/01/2022 8:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>
>> Nothing that was worthwhile reading.
>>
>> You just don't get it xeno. Nobody gives a toss about your obsession.
>> Build a bridge.
>>

Snipped more bile.

You DON'T get it do you. NOBODY cares.

Get over your obsession.

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 by: Xeno - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:15 UTC

On 12/1/22 12:04 am, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 10:28 pm, Xeno wrote:
>> On 11/1/22 11:23 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>> On 11/01/2022 8:10 pm, Xeno wrote:
>>>
>>> Nothing that was worthwhile reading.
>>>
>>> You just don't get it xeno. Nobody gives a toss about your obsession.
>>> Build a bridge.
>>>
If anyone needs to build a bridge it sure isn't me. I came, I was
attacked, I fought back. Darren ran for cover.
>
> Snipped more bile.
>
> You DON'T get it do you. NOBODY cares.

You think I care? I made a point, you snipped it because it didn't fit
your agenda. That's Ok because I didn't expect you to comprehend the
technical niceties of the matter anyway. The issue here is that Darren
didn't either and Les ended up with a pile of scrap metal for his trouble.
>
> Get over your obsession.
>
Darren's the one with the obsession. He's obsessed with being a tradie
but he failed to make the cut. Now he just lies about it. HTH

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

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 by: Clocky - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:50 UTC

On 11/01/2022 8:41 pm, Yosemite Sam wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 6:17 pm, jonz@ nothere.com wrote:
>> On Tuesday, 11 January 2022 at 14:03:19 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
>>> On 11/1/22 7:29 am, alvey wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 10 Jan 2022 15:59:31 +1000, Grumpy Tech wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Anyone watch the last session of the SCG Test?
>>>>
>>>> If you thought it was tense, spare a thought for those of us who'd put
>>>> their money on a draw. "Could I have another bourbon and beta blocker
>>>> thanks?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> alvey
>>> Watched it, saw the Pom's strategy - block everything, no wild risks of
>>> getting out. After that finish, my wife's become a bit of a cricket
>>> tragic. She watched as much of the cricket as she watched of the tennis.
>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> It was (in the main) a dismal debacle. Not surprised yer cook liked it.
>> After all, a dismal debacle is what she is used to.
>>
>
> you don't even have a cook so stfu
>
>

What, nobody to microwave his Black & Gold pies for him?

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 by: Noddy - Tue, 11 Jan 2022 13:51 UTC

On 11/01/2022 7:51 pm, Grumpy Tech wrote:
> On 11/01/2022 6:35 pm, Xeno wrote:

>> Yeah. Didn't understand the concept of valve *float* and valve
>> *overshoot*, both circumstances that can lead to valve impact if
>> insufficient clearance is allowed - and a thinner shim head gasket
>> will take that clearance down by a *lot*. I didn't expect Darren to be
>> able to do it but I did expect Daryl to know how it's done. He is
>> *supposedly* qualified after all. Too much time pushing a broom I
>> guess. Checking piston to valve clearance isn't rocket science by any
>> means and there's plenty of info on the net for the uninitiated. But
>> to fit a thinner head gasket and *not* check the clearance, that's
>> nothing short of *criminal*.
>> The funny thing is, I was expecting it to be a more esoteric cause,
>> lean combustion, injectors at 100% duty cycle or MAF sensor pinning. I
>> was overthinking it and not making sufficient allowance for the two
>> clowns who were working on the 4AGE(20). I trust Les has learnt his
>> lesson.
>>
> So it's his fault the engine failed even though he advised Les that
> there were serious issues with the engine and failure was likely.

Actually, it was *not* my fault that the engine died, and I'll go into
some detail as to why that is to put this ridiculous bullshit claim of
Clasener's to bed :)

> I'm guessing Les wanted to compete and went with the motor anyway as
> availability of a replacement motor in a limited timeframe may have been
> an issue.

The issue with this engine was that Les was trying to build it on a
budget, using parts from an engine that had already failed before I ever
laid my hands on it.

> Wouldn't be the first time someone has failed to take advice and it's
> cost them dearly.

No, but in fairness to Les and myself, the cause of this engine's demise
had nothing to do with either of us. Well, at least certainly not me :)

For those who don't know and who may be half interested in discovering
the truth of this matter, the engine in question was a Toyota 4AGE 20
valve, known as a "Gold Top" of I remember correctly, and this is the
engine here:

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PME

It's a 1600cc 4 cylinder "high performance" engine that has a fairly
high output for it's capacity and a healthy appetite for rpm, which
Daryl's mate Les used to use in his Lotus 7 Replica for competition work:

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69Q3J

Now, it's been Clasener's claim for a while that this engine died as a
result of insufficient piston to valve clearance, and this is claim is
absolutely fraudulent. It is a complete fabrication invented by Clasener
for the sole purpose of having something to argue about. In reality, and
as usual, he is *completely* wrong and has achieved nothing other than
making a complete moron out of himself.

Allow me to show how :)

This engine was originally brought to me in around August of 2016 after
it had suffered a catastrophic failure. It actually broke a factory rod
through the beam, which trashed the block and made a mess of the head,
and damaged the crank and piston.

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PTY
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PU1
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PU3
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PU4
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PU6

This failure occurred before I had done any serious work on this engine,
and in fact up until this point about all I had ever done to the engine
was to fabricate a baffle for the oil pan and measure it's capacity
while it was off, as the pan had been shortened to suit the chassis and
it's oil level needed to be measured.

Once this engine was dismantled Les set off to find a replacement
engine, and the cylinder head was taken to his guys who had worked it
before to repair the damage and make some new valves.

Once all the parts were finally obtained they were delivered to me and
my job was to assemble the engine, modify the windage tray and oil pick
up to suit the oil pan, set the valve clearances and dial in the
camshafts. Only parts of the replacement engine were used, principally
the block and crank, as other parts from the old engine were still
perfectly serviceable. The three surviving pistons from the old engine
were retained as they were already oversize which allowed the new block
to be bored to suit them, and a 4th piston was machined up from a semi
finished blank to replace the one that was damaged from the old engine.

New after market connecting rods were used, and despite the damage it
suffered the original cylinder head was retained as it had already been
subject to extensive port work and it was highly desirable for that not
to be lost. The original camshafts were put back into service.

The engine went together will with only a few niggles worth noting. The
main one was that the person doing the bore and hone work was pretty
average and their sizings were all over the place. The crank grind was
perfect with exact sizes from front to rear, and the new rods were very
good.

This is the windage tray and oil pickup:

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PLQ
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PLR

Normally this oil pickup would sit up about 3 inches higher than this,
and the slot cut into the windage tray wouldn't be necessary. But
because this engine sat so low in the chassis and didn't run a dry sump
system it was necessary to bury this pickup as high up into the engine
as possible so it would clear the modified oil pan, and it only cleared
the crank web by about half an inch. The brazing on the bottom of the
pickup tube where it goes into the timing cover is were it was cut and
shortened.

Here, after final clearance checking, the short motor is assembled.
Crank bolts triple torqued as per specifications and rod bolt tension
set with a stretch gauge. Al the bottom end clearances were right down
the middle which is exactly where I wanted them to be.

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69RAI

Now we get to the juicy stuff which will show Clasener up as the shit
talking clueless windbag that he is.

Here's a few pics of the top of the engine and with the gasket in place
before the head is finally ready to go on:

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PLP
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PLS
> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PLT

Now, to the keen eye there's a few things to observe in these pics.

In the first instance, you can see the three used pistons which were in
excellent shape, and the one new one. Secondly, you can see the
competition head gasket that was used, which is a compressible gasket
and not a "shim" as Clasener incorrectly refers to it, and lastly you
can see the remains of the pink plasticine that was used to check the
pison to valve clearances on the exhaust valve releifs of the number one
piston :)

Inlet and exhaust clearances where checked on all four pistons which is
standard procedure, and especially in an engine using non standard
connecting rods, but residue of the plasticine only remained on the
exhaust cut outs on the number one piston as they were a rough "as cast"
finish where all the other surfaces were machined smooth. I wasn't all
that fussed about cleaning it off as it would burn off the moment the
engine was first fired :)

Setting the valve clearances was the last major task:

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69PM9

This is with the cams removed obviously, and the various markings on the
head show where I'd been measuring clearances and swapping shims around
to get within spec.

The 4AEG engine uses a cam follower bucket system as can be seen, with
the clearance adjustment shim being a small pad not much bigger in
diameter than the valve stem that sits in a recessed pocket in the
bottom of the bucket between the bucket and valve tip. The come in
various thicknesses, but unless you have access to a great many of them
setting the valve clearances on engines like these can be a pain.
Especially when the people doing the cylinder head work aren't all that
concerned about how much they cut out of the seat or they grind off the
tip of the valve.

It took an entire day to set the clearances using the limited assortment
of shims that I had, and in the end I had to grind many of them on the
surface grinder using a custom jig to hold them securely on the magnetic
chuck.

Finally, the clearances were set and the camshafts installed for good,
and it was ready for it's timing belt and to be put back into the car.

> https://www.imagebam.com/view/ME69S4W

So, after all this long winded chest beating, what have we learned?

What we've learned is that apart from a little bit of piston to bore
clearance variation which Les was advised could lead to a bit of ring
flutter and oil control problem, this engine went together well and had
no clearance issues whatsoever. The engine was installed back into the
car and test fired by me and it fired straight up with excellent oil
pressure and had no temperature issues.


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