On 28.01.23 11:42, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 10:28:21 +0000
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 28/01/2023 10:16, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 17:28:56 +0000
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 27/01/2023 17:15, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> While deriving all the advantages of the UK being in the EU.
>>>>>
>>>>> Feel like expanding on that?
>>>>
>>>> Freedom of movement and work in EU. Steady supply of seasonal workers
>>>> for the hospitality industry, second biggest earner. They didn't need to
>>>
>>> Which part of "they've never been in the EU" escaped you? Being able to
>>> work in the UK as a foreign national didn't give them the automatic right to
>>> work in the channel islands.
>>
>> Didn't hinder them either, unlike here now.
>
> If successive governments had found a pair of bollocks and stopped unemployment
> benefit (or whatever its called this week) to able bodied people who are
> eligable for work but still out of work after a certain length of time or ones
> who get through multiple permanent jobs offered a year it would have got the
> workshy off their fat arses and into the cabbage picking jobs that the
> bulgarians did.

Decrease the surpluss population perhaps?

Robin

On 30.01.23 10:36, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 27.01.2023 um 17:53 schrieb Roland Perry:
>> In message <tr0uv3$1p46h$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:43:15 on Fri, 27 Jan
>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>  phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>> different  foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>
>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>
>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>> hierarchy.
>>
>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>> folder.
>
> If you're talking Android, the link on the various start screens is
> *just a link*, i.e. you can put Google Maps both into the Google Folder
> and into the Maps folder if you wish.  Due to its prominence, I've got
> Google Maps directly on my 'mobility' start screen, next to the folders
> 'Car', 'Transport' and 'Outdoors'.

One of the more recent iterations of iOS lets you do the same for the
iPhone. I rearranged my phone screens so that each screen is tailored
for a particular kind of activity, for example on holiday in Europe,
general home/work/leisure, visiting the UK etc. Certain apps like maps
and messages are on all screens, others like apps for specific foreign
railway operators are on the relevant travelling in... screen.

Robin

In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>hierarchy.
>>
>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>Maps folder.
>>>
>>> What works better for you?

>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>
>Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.

But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
needle in a haystack.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr3crf$28uit$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:52:32 on Sat, 28 Jan
2023, Anna Noyd-Dryver <anna@noyd-dryver.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
>>>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>> hierarchy.
>>
>>>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>>> folder.
>>>
>>> What works better for you?
>>
>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>
>Of course it's an option. You can leave the app outside of any folders (I
>have my most-used apps and folders on the first two screens, a simple swipe
>to get between them)

I do a bit of both of those. But with 300 (and growing at several a
week) it simply doesn't scale.

>or you can create a folder of your own ("uk.railway suggested apps"
>perhaps).

That's a hopeless category. What's needed is something related to their
function.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>
>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>
>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>
>>>> What works better for you?
>
>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>
>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>
> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
> needle in a haystack.

Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.

In message <tr833n$37fuh$1@dont-email.me>, at 10:36:55 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>Am 27.01.2023 um 17:53 schrieb Roland Perry:
>> In message <tr0uv3$1p46h$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:43:15 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>><afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>>ignore
>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>for Russia
>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>>if it
>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can
>>>>>>>use  phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with
>>>>>>>English (or different  foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>
>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>
>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>> I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>hierarchy.
>> So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a Maps
>>folder.
>
>If you're talking Android, the link on the various start screens is
>*just a link*, i.e. you can put Google Maps both into the Google Folder
>and into the Maps folder if you wish. Due to its prominence, I've got
>Google Maps directly on my 'mobility' start screen, next to the folders
>'Car', 'Transport' and 'Outdoors'.
>
>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main
>>screen. Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their
>>box".
>
>There is a setting whether or not new app should put a link onto the
>home page.

What I want is for it to stay in the folder, not put a link on the
furthest pane. Assuming by "home screen" you mean pane #1.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".

>>I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>
>You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
> doesn't happen to anybody else.

I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
mobile phone apps than average.

Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
"add this new app".

>Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
> Mobile handsets.

Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.

Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.

>It certainly doesn't happen on my Android phone (it would indeed be
>infuriating if it did.)

"It" being updated apps plonked on the furthest pane. Maybe you can tell
me how to configure the phone to stop this happening.

In other news, my wife's Android phone has finally given up the ghost.
After months of not charging properly, over the weekend it's stuck at
5%. The screen is cracked too. Rather than try to get both repaired,
we've ordered a new one. So I'll see if that's better behaved about
updated apps.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>
>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>
>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>
> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
> mobile phone apps than average.
>
> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
> "add this new app".
>
>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>> Mobile handsets.
>
> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>
> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>
Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.

In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's ignore
>>>>>>>>> the war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are only
>>>>>>>>> valid for the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa for Russia
>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell if it
>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use your
>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>different
>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>
>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>
>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>
>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>
>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>
>>Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>
>Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.

The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>
>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>
>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> What works better for you?
>>
>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>
>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>
>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>> needle in a haystack.
>
>Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.

Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).

Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.

Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
works.
--
Roland Perry

On 30/01/2023 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>
>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>
>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>> Maps  folder.
>>>>
>>>> What works better for you?
>
>>>  "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>
>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>
> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
> needle in a haystack.

Your choice, you can either be organised or remain frustrated.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 14:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>
>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>
>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>
>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>
>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>> "add this new app".
>>
>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>> Mobile handsets.
>>
>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>
>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>
> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.

And how tiny the screen is.

On 30/01/2023 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>
>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>
>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>> Maps  folder.
>>>>
>>>> What works better for you?
>
>>>  "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>
>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>
> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
> needle in a haystack.

No. Each screen is for a specific purpose.

I have a travelling screen with things like ToC apps and Wetherspoons.

I created a holiday screen for my recent holiday which included
calendar, Dutch and German railway apps, and links to certain web pages.

In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>
>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>
>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>
>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>
>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>> "add this new app".
>>
>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>> Mobile handsets.
>>
>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>
>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>
> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.

No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
claiming I only buy cheap things.
--
Roland Perry

In message <0fmfthpqi8vfjo7q2eg8roru4sg7s6orns@4ax.com>, at 14:53:36 on
Mon, 30 Jan 2023, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 14:42:38 -0000 (UTC), Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>
>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>
>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>
>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>> "add this new app".
>>>
>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>
>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>
>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>
>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>
>And how tiny the screen is.

My phone screen is 5.7" (hands up who has a bigger penis). It's really
small compared to my laptop.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr8lfo$3b253$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:50:32 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 30/01/2023 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27
>>>>Jan 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>coping with
>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>
>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>Maps  folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> What works better for you?
>>
>>>>  "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>
>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.

>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>needle in a haystack.
>
>Your choice, you can either be organised or remain frustrated.

But I see no suggestions on how to better organise. The most recent
above just makes it worse.
--
Roland Perry

In message <tr8lnn$3aurt$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:54:47 on Mon, 30 Jan
2023, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> remarked:
>On 30/01/2023 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27
>>>>Jan 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>coping with
>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>
>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>Maps  folder.
>>>>>
>>>>> What works better for you?
>>
>>>>  "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>
>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.

>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>needle in a haystack.
>
>No. Each screen is for a specific purpose.
>
>I have a travelling screen with things like ToC apps and Wetherspoons.
>
>I created a holiday screen for my recent holiday which included
>calendar, Dutch and German railway apps, and links to certain web pages.

If that works for you, then that's great. But mine has far more
"horizontal" apps than those rather scenario-specific ones. Banking
for example, is independent of what trips I might be about to engage
upon.
--
Roland Perry

Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
> Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>
>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>
>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>
>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>
>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>
> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.

The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be set
up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
(this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
in standard Android)
1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
2) use search box at bottom of screen

Rolf

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> Am 30.01.2023 um 15:45 schrieb Roland Perry:
>> In message <euncthp4t18vn1fuigtf1s4ma0nr43k11b@4ax.com>, at 12:00:36 on
>> Sun, 29 Jan 2023, Ken <ken@birchanger.com> remarked:
>>> On Fri, 27 Jan 2023 16:43:15 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>> <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <tqmlgo$3o3n8$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:00:40 on Mon, 23 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <tqjt9n$36tt9$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:55:03 on Sun, 22 Jan
>>>>>>> 2023, Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> In message <042cnQNTP7ySjFD-nZ2dnZfqnPcAAAAA@brightview.co.uk>, at
>>>>>>>>> 10:33:51 on Sun, 22 Jan 2023, Arthur Figgis
>>>>>>>>> <afiggis@example.invalid>
>>>>>>>>> remarked:
>>>>>>>>>> On 22/01/2023 08:05, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I rather suspect getting a tourist visa for Russia (OK, let's
>>>>>>>>>>> ignore
>>>>>>>>>>> the  war for a second) would cost more than £50, and they are
>>>>>>>>>>> only
>>>>>>>>>>> valid for  the duration of one short trip.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It was reasonably long ago (15yrs maybe) but my business visa
>>>>>>>>> for Russia
>>>>>>>>> had a very short validity. As I don't read Russian I can't tell
>>>>>>>>> if it
>>>>>>>>> was for more than one entry (of whichever kind).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can thoroughly recommend the Google Translate app which can use
>>>>>>>> your
>>>>>>>> phone’s camera to replace foreign-looking text with English (or
>>>>>>>> different
>>>>>>>> foreign looking text) in an image.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>
>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>
>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>
>>> Or to start typing the app's name into the search box.
>>
>> The search box here only gives results from the web, not apps on the
>> phone. I just tried it with "Trainline" as an example.
>
> The Search Box is a widget assigned to a certain app, which might be set
> up to either search phone and internet or search internet only.
> I'm using 'DuckDuckGo' as a search app, and it shows results from my
> phone but my usual way of searching for apps is:
> (this appears to be 'Xiaome'style; ISTR that there is a similar feature
> in standard Android)
> 1) swipe up to get to alphabetical list of all installed apps
> 2) use search box at bottom of screen

That latter is exactly how it works for me - Fairphone 3 which I assume is
a pretty standard Android - except that after swiping up the search box is
at the top of the screen and says “[magnifier] Search apps”.

Sam

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<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>
>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>> that was in England, were you?
>
> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension issues.

But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but when
you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
which is in Wales.

You seem to be having basic memory issues.

Sam

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On Mon, 30 Jan 2023 17:12:33 -0000 (UTC)
Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 28 Jan 2023 17:48:53 -0000 (UTC)
>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>> <Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>>> Didn't realise it was Debden. I was obviously thinking of the coin mint
>>>> which IIRC without googling is in wales.
>>>
>>> Llantrisant, which is just outside Cardiff. You weren’t thinking that
>>> that was in England, were you?
>>
>> No, hence the "is in wales". You seem to be having basic comprehension
>issues.
>
>But you previously wrote “The BoE notes are printed in England.” but when
>you were told it was Debden said you must have been thinking of the mint,
>which is in Wales.
>
>You seem to be having basic memory issues.

Like a lot of people I often tend to use england interchangebly with britain.
Naughty me.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>
>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>
>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>> needle in a haystack.
>>
>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>
> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>
> Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.
>
> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
> works.

I’ve never struggled to know the name of the app I want. On my iPhone I
just swipe down for the search function and start to type in the app name.
Is that what you mean by “search for app by name” function?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8k1r$3ar6n$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:26:03 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27 Jan
>>>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to coping with
>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>>> hierarchy.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>> Maps folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>
>>>>> "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>>>
>>> But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>> needle in a haystack.
>>
>> Search function? I usually get the app I want within 2 or 3 keystrokes.
>
> Doesn't that mean you have to know the name? They are becoming even more
> bizarre (and disjoint from a description of the function).
>
> Three I've added recently are Calex, Bolt and Bright, for example.
>
> Later... sadly I can't find a "search for app by name" function. Which
> probably explains why I don't use it. Perhaps you can describe how yours
> works.

I’ve never struggled to know the name of the app I want. On my iPhone I
just swipe down for the search function and start to type in the app name.
Is that what you mean by “search for app by name” function?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <tr8l0u$3b0i0$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:42:38 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <tr64q3$2qsml$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:53:38 on Sun, 29 Jan
>>> 2023, Clank <clank75@googlemail.com> remarked:
>>>> Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> Wrote in message:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> I also note that when apps auto-update they end up on the main screen.
>>>>>> Which means you are constantly "putting them back in their box".
>>>
>>>>> I hadn?t noticed that, but I don?t have enough apps to need the feature.
>>>>
>>>> You haven't noticed because, like most of Roland's experiences, it
>>>> doesn't happen to anybody else.
>>>
>>> I can't help it if I'm a more voracious adopter of technology such as
>>> mobile phone apps than average.
>>>
>>> Especially when at the moment all I hear is people constantly saying
>>> "add this new app".
>>>
>>>> Generously, we can assume this is a feature of Aldi Smart-Price
>>>> Mobile handsets.
>>>
>>> Maybe Aldi is different where you live, but they've not sold any phones
>>> here for years, and as far as I'm aware never sold smartphones.
>>>
>>> Let alone ones in the $600 range such as I use.
>>>
>> Thought you were recently proudly telling us how cheap your phones were.
>
> No, it's recliner who appears to find some kind of perverse delight in
> claiming I only buy cheap things.

I distinctly remember you saying your phone cost around £150, when berating
me for the cost of my iPhone.

On 30.01.23 16:28, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <tr8lnn$3aurt$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:54:47 on Mon, 30 Jan
> 2023, Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> remarked:
>> On 30/01/2023 14:11, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> In message <tr3nkl$2ap5m$1@dont-email.me>, at 17:56:36 on Sat, 28 Jan
>>> 2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>> On 28/01/2023 14:06, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>>> In message <tr10h8$1pc5c$2@dont-email.me>, at 17:10:00 on Fri, 27
>>>>> Jan  2023, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> *Another* new app! This is becoming a daily phenomenon.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Keep up - it’s not hard.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've got perhaps 300 already, I don't want to be having to
>>>>>>>>> coping  with
>>>>>>>>> 600 by next Xmas.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Especially when the relatively tiny screen only shows 20 at a
>>>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some people might decide to group them in folders.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  I have some in folders when they are tight-knit groups (such as
>>>>>>> car-parking-fee apps). But it's not always obvious how to build a
>>>>>
>>>>>>>  So for example do you put Google Maps in a Google folder, or a
>>>>>>> Maps  folder.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What works better for you?
>>>
>>>>>  "None of the above", but that's not an option.
>>>>
>>>> Yes it is. Don't put it in a folder.
>
>>>  But then it's on one of seven or eight screenfulls to swipe between;
>>> needle in a haystack.
>>
>> No.  Each screen is for a specific purpose.
>>
>> I have a travelling screen with things like ToC apps and Wetherspoons.
>>
>> I created a holiday screen for my recent holiday which included
>> calendar, Dutch and German railway apps, and links to certain web pages.
>
> If that works for you, then that's great. But mine has far more
> "horizontal" apps than those rather scenario-specific ones. Banking
> for example, is independent of what trips I might be about to engage upon.

If you need an app in more than one scenario, just put the button to
open the app on more than one screen.

Robin